thank you
councilors and rising this evening to
acknowledge country and to acknowledge
the First Nations peoples of Shoalhaven
I was very fortunate on the
weekend to spend some time with Aunty
Chrissy over at the Bomaderry
homes while the ? were considering
there some very important issues for the
land Council here in the Shoalhaven Aunty
Chrissy relay to me a beautiful story
about how the women and the men from the
stolen generation who had been part of
Nowra for all of those years got the
opportunity to return to Taree and to meet
with some of their family members and to
walk on country and that the the event
that they had was some great games they
came together to you know to play some
balls to play darts and to have that
great time where they just had a you
know some fun together but they had a
cultural exchange at the same time they
came home to the Shoalhaven and they felt
that their hearts were full because of
the connections that they made and in
making that telling you that story I
hope that we can find ways to fill our
hearts with the connections that we make
and to make the connections with our
Aboriginal people to the Elders of today
the Elders of tomorrow and to value that
this land is was and will always be
Aboriginal land and ask that we take a
moment silent to
reflect
for
thank you can we have the anthem please
[Music]
Australians all let us rejoice for we
are one and
free with golden soil and wealth for toil
our home is girt by sea
our land abounds in natures gifts of
beauty rich and rare
in histories space let every stage
advance Australia fair
in joyful strains and let us sing
Advance Autralia Fair
[Music]
well not one of us could hold
the note for that long could we
councelor
Norris so our apologies and leaves of
absence councelor Watson can I just
welcome you to the meeting and also
can I get an audio please to make sure
that you're coming through loud and
clear yes thank you Madam Mayor 1 2 3 4
5 six lovely and can you hear the
chamber
okay thank you thank
you are there any further apologies
sorry there's no other apologies for
this evening are there any leave of
absence that need to be applied for
councelor Copley thank you Madame Mayor
I'd like to request the 6th of May as a
leave of absence right thank you any
further leaves of absence councilor Laws
none thank
you can I have someone confirm the
minutes please thank you councelor
Kotlash seconded by councelor Gray any
dissenting voices over the the minutes
there being none then the minutes are
carried thank you are there any
Declarations of Interest this
evening councelor Norris and then
councelor Ell thank you Madame Mayor from
?
24.80 Community well grant outcomes a
non significant less than sorry
non pecuniary less than significant interest
I know a couple of people were
involved in the organizations listed I
find that I'm further distant enough
from the process itself and have had no
involvement in it so I'm comfortable
seeing the room voting thank you thank
you councelor
Ell thanks Madam Mayor I don't think
there's an open portion on this one but
it's just that matter in the
confidential report CCL
24.6 industrial land to repurchase I
have a significant pecuniary conflict of
interests in this particular matter
which was stated at a previous meeting
and the paperwork has been submitted on
that in that my employer has been
engaged to provide Legal Services
regarding the matter so I will be
leaving the room and not participating
in the debate thank you if there are no
other matters of interest then should
anything arise we will deal with that
during the meeting are there any
petitions to be presented this evening
none thank
you so counselors in this week's Mayoral
minutes of course as seems to be the
the trend at the moment we seem to be
losing many of our wonderful people
within our community but we still do
have opportunities to celebrate and
this week we'll be celebrating the
awards of the South Coast woman of
the year which has been awarded to
Sandra Gray and to the New South Wales
Woman of the Year Community hero
which is going to Monica Mudge or has
gone to Monica Mudge I know that many
not just the councilors and the staff
within this room but probably within our
Gallery as well have come across these
these women who have been powerful
advocates for their communities not only
have they been powerful advocates for
their communities they get stuff done
and as the old saying thank you
councilor Wells you're seconding both
thank you and as I say you know if
you want something done then ask a busy
woman and she'll make sure that it
happens for you so to both women it was
a great it was a delight and I know that
many of us were celebrating for them and
so it's really nice to be able to honor
them through the Mayoral minutes this
evening that have both been seconded now
by councelor Wells any further
discussion
councilors there being none I put both
of those there being no dissenting
voices then both are
carried counselor and as I said it does
it always brings a sorrow when people
within our community pass and this
week's condolence motion is for the
the late and great Marge Sheedy and many I
noticed that there are a number of
people within the room from the southern
Shoalhaven and many of you would have
also thank you councelor White would
have come across Marge in your lifetime
Marge was a wonderful wonderful woman to
to know she had a great sense of humour a
great love for the Arts a great love for
children and inspired many children to
learn to read because of her wonderful
costumes and know she would be you
know looking down from heaven yesterday
at the terrible scores that the bunnies
did on the weekend because the
bunnies were her very favorite
football team but Marge was a great
member of our community she well
deserved the OEM that she was awarded
last year and I know that many will be
sorry for her departure are there any
further comments
councilors there being none then I'll
put the motion there being no dissenting
voices and that is carried also thank
you so we've got a numbber of deputations
and presentations sorry just deputations
this evening we've got the two
deputations on the financial
sustainability monthly report we've
got Oliver Gate and Jennifer Cork who be
speaking to us this evening and then
also David Klus will be speaking to us
on the notices sorry the questions on
notice on David Berry Hospital
rainforest remnant to all three of our
deputies the time limit that we'll be
asking you to to stick to this
evening will be 5 minutes if you're
concerned about the time you will see
the light on your microphone will start
to flash and you'll know that you're in
your one minute home straight and we
will ask you to wrap up your comments
and try and stick with the time so
all of can you come on down and join us
please firstly at the Leon Oliver take
the shortcut through the center there
that's no problem at all great thank you
and welcome so Leon Oliver is here to speak
against the financial sustainability uh
monthly report thank you Oliver thank
you good evening Madame counselors and
to everyone else here present in the
gallery my name is Ollie and I'm here to
represent amtc the albatross musical
theater company here in Nowra we attended
the last meeting and welcomed the fact
that the recommendations in item CL
24.68 be
split I'm only going to speak about the
community donations program and concerns
of how pausing this might impact
amtc and other community
groups I would like to talk about the
many benefits of volunteering and being
part of a community group they are
innerable but this is about nbers so
that's what I'm going to concentrate
on
in the state of volunteering report
published by the New South Wales
government only last year it says and I
quote in
2023 4.3 million people gave time as a
volunteer contributing 178 billion
dollars of value to the state of New
South
Wales this benefit represents
550% return on
investment in other words for every
dollar invested in volunteering a return
of $550 is seen
the report further calculates the
replacement cost of volunteering at $
39.7 billion twice the entire cost of
the entire New South Wales public sector
a significant amount of community
well-being is attributed to the impact
of
volunteering and it is noted that
volunteering is responsible for a
14.7% increase in workplace
productivity so I have a question how
does the SCH Haven city council model
the financial benefit that the community
might gain from a community group or
simply for the donation given how much
is it
worth now amtc received $8,000 last year
as part of the community donations
program we do three shows a year two
adult and one Junior that's a donation
of
2,666 for each
show in relation to our Juniors Jam as
it's generally known it's an
all-inclusive group taking taking kids
of age 10 to 15 years old from all
social socioeconomic
backgrounds for the past 2 years 100
kids have enrolled everyone who enrolls
is accepted it runs over three terms and
culminates in four shows at the scha
Haven entertainment
center I've calculated the following
based on a per child per hour basis and
we provide approximately
10,750 hours of
Education I ask parents for costs
relating to other after hours activities
such as Sports and arts from Council
backed art classes to private tuition
costs range from $20 per hour to $120
per hour for Jam there are no tuition
fees Jam is
free that means the 10,750 hours are
valued from a range of
$215,000 to $1.29 million of tuition
hours per year
this is the financial value of the
donation which is a lot more even than
the New South Wales government's 550%
return on
investment now in today's agenda there's
no mention of policy implications
financial implications risk implications
internal consultation Community
consultation in regards to the community
donations
program that's because there are no
implications for the council but there
are implications to the group groups of
which none have been
consulted today I spent an hour calling
and emailing half of the recipients of
the donations for last year out of that
I was only successful in discussing
about 13 of the
donations and the question I asked was
how Reliant are you on the council's
community
donation I identify that if it was pause
the council could save money with a
clear conscience as seven out of the 13
said a year pause could be weathered or
the donation was for a one-off project
that's been completed a $37,000 saving
the other six said they are reliant on
the council's donation and that their
events would not happen or the group
would struggle to exist and could cease
to
function the impact of stopping support
for some Community groups will be
significant at a time when the community
is facing cost of living pressures and
still recovering from the traa of bush
fires floods and covid Community groups
play vital role in supporting social
interaction and improved mental health
outcomes thank
you Oliver before before you go I'll
just check in to see if there are any
questions from the
councilors there are none thank you very
much you Jennifer will you please join
us now at the lectin Oliver's blazed the
trail and with his good acting skills
from amtc and that's yeah
thank
you good evening
Madam yeah there you go sorry I'm not I
thought about standing on it first time
caller all right uh good evening Madame
mayor counselors and to everyone else
here my name is Jenny Cork and I'm here
speaking on behalf of the shell Haven
Youth Orchestra another volunteer group
actually started 24 years ago by funding
from Council and we've sustained that
funding for the last 24 years and we're
looking at continuing and having a huge
celebration next year at 25
years I'm here for the same reason that
the amtc were here for the same reason
that so many people are here these
funding Cuts hit the community at the
very heart of our
community we're volunteers we do things
for the sh Haven to make sure the sh
Haven is not just 100 be teachers we do
things for the community to make sure
that we have a vibrant and thriving
Community Hub a social activities
available for children for parents for
grandparents for everybody to come
to our Youth Orchestra performs four
times a year but we don't just limit
ourselves to that like the amtc we
actually have been able to through the
funding from GS such as yours we've been
able to put programs into primary
schools in our region we've r Run free
violin lessons at Nara East at Nara Hill
at Campbell wara and at
terrera I've watched kids start as total
beginners when they were seven and
they're now leading our Orchestra this
is an opportunity that won't exist if we
are to sustain Cuts such as the one that
you're proposing
tonight those
cuts I know a part of a suite because
the council need to cut money we know
that we've heard that we understand that
but the kind of cut that you're talking
about for our
organization is a kick to the
guts it's a total cut that is going to
possibly decimate organizations not just
ours but others like ours and that's
going to put us in severe Jeopardy for
continuance and anybody who's been
involved in the associations just like
ours knows full well that getting
something started is so much harder than
sustaining something that exists
already our organization has been here
run by the community for the
community those kids get those
instrents and they might not sound
really great at the beginning and I've
listened to a few but they sound
phenomenal by the time they get to the
end of the year we've been able to show
that growth and we've continued to do
that we've had quartets a few years ago
used to play Four Council events
I'm not going to take a full five
minutes you know what I'm talking about
you know exactly what these sorts of
things we value ad we are the sh Haven
we bring more to the sh Haven than your
$8,000 for us can who can ever imagine
and we want to continue to do
that Community groups such as ours ought
not to be the victim of council internal
issues
the sh Haven Youth Orchestra ought not
be the victim of these
Cuts we are and we will remain a
community group invested in providing an
extraordinary opportunity for young
people in the Shell Haven area and as
such we urge you to continue to our
financial support by removing the
community groups from these Cuts
proposed tonight thank
you
Jennifer oh sorry come back thank you
just let me check in with the councilors
were there any questions to Jennifer
before she leaves the microphone no
thank you very much thank you David
Claus can you come and join us please at
the lecton David's here this evening on
question on notice for the David Berry
Hospital rainforest Remnant Heritage and
E status and the link with Barry L
here
thank you and welcome David thank
you uh good evening good evening Madame
mayor and counselors and wow look at all
your lovely faces so I'm speaking for
on behalf of Barry landare with respect
to the secondary access road at the
David bery Hospital site and how it's
impacting the lowland sub tropical
rainforest on that
site uh at 85 t Road David Bary hospital
it was bequ in 1889 by David Barry
for the construction of the hospital and
for the use of local residents of the sh
Haven
area on that
site
do I have to point it
somewhere go there we go
The Remnant
rainforest is what used to be known as
ilar brush and is a lowland subtropical
rainforest which is incredibly rare in
this area represents only 1% of lowland
rainforest in the sh Haven ilare
area all growth trees as you can see
include black buts
jackwoods pigeonberry and incredibly
rare species that don't exist anywhere
else other than up on the escarment they
don't exist in the lowland area outside
of the David Berry Remnant rainforest
area the rarest being the
Featherwood which is normally only found
in higher parts of the
escarment uh
over the years the conservation
management of David bery Hospital site
has has gone through many stages first
identified by Peter Dylan Smith as who
started the weed management then taken
over in 2003 by Barry
lanare then in 2015 was identified by
the new southwes office of environment
and
Heritage and then in
20156 was part of the berry corridors
the bush links project
in terms of statutory
protection sha Haven local environment
Plan 2014 it was a Heritage item
in uh it's also part of on the Heritage
State Heritage
register it's listed as an endangered
ecological Community an
eec it's also listed as critically
endangered site under the Environmental
Protection and biodiversity conservation
Act
the secondary access
site commen Construction in March
2024 it seemed to have apparently
received approval by this
Council no consultation with
stakeholders such as bar Lan was
conducted with respect to this Access
Road obviously there's impact on
Heritage on natural and cultural
heritage in this
site
and uh we believe there's been a serious
failure of consultation with regards to
the construction and the consultation
with stakeholders with respect to the
construction of this road through this
endangered and and rare uh natural
habitat as far as what that impact is
loss of plant habitat
loss of community loss of continuity of
the
eec meaning
that loss of
continuity it encourages incursion of
feral
Predators it the track uses a vector for
weeds as people walk along this obvious
track tracking in Weeds and which will
spread through the through the
environment in that rainforest and
obviously they aesthetic and col
cultural
issues the impact mitigation that we
ask is
that legal requirements are conducted uh
conduct
sorry that legal requirements are
followed as per the statutory
classification of this area that the SEC
review Systems of in the assessment
process of such as this and ensure that
the impact of the areas of high natural
heritage such as this site are
considered in all
development proposals the track should
also be gated to to stop unauthorized
access and REM W pause for for a moment
thank you an extension's been moved by
Council Wells secondly by councilor gray
is there any descent there being no
descent then an
extension
oh I'm sorry okay great thank you thank
you you got an extension now
d uh so uh okay hang on I'll do it this
way uh yeah so so we're asking that
that the the that we ensure that the
natural heritage value of the area is
considered in all Development and
Construction approv
that the track is gated to stop
unauthorized access and that removal of
Woody weeds from the ECC area and
ongoing weed management be
funded thank you thank you for your time
David don't leave the L and I'm just
going to check in now and see if there
are any questions for you councilor
gray thank
you thank you my question to you is do
you
protected by JL ALC now it's
working okay I don't know if they were
consulted
no and do we know David
Hospital
consult uh in my understanding David
bery Hospital were the ones that alerted
members of berry land care to the works
that were being
undertaken in a few days so this came as
a total sideswipe to to everyone yes
yeah okay thanks and we only knew when
the tractors rolled up when we started
to see the vegetation being removed we
knew 3 days
before when I say we I mean Barry lanare
knew 3 days before because was alerted
yes and if you know that Remnant
rainforest you'll know how pristine and
the work that's been done by that Berry
Community for 21 years it must be
disheartening and disempowering to see
this happen thank you correct it was yes
thank you any further questions
councilors there being none thank you
for your presentation
today
excuse sorry yeah just with any other
deputations I did mention this to you
before the meeting that there was
another person who did apply to give a
deputation afterno I understand it
wasn't approved but J Tri on of the
business chamber and the segro
committee I wanted to address a part
of the financial sustainability report
as well with new information so I just
wanted to see if we could allow that to
happen all move procedural motion so
you're moving a procedural motion to uh
ask M tribe to come and deputize yes yep
uh I'll put that to the vote councilors
is there any problem with
that there being none that's carried
thank you and just for clarity for
everyone the reason why u m trib's
application for a deputation was
declined was because there was uh at the
last meeting where we discussed this uh
she ay gave a great deputation then but
thank you
JMA thank you Madame mayor counselors
and staff as I said to the governance
team I do have uh new information to
present it won't be a rehash of a
fortnight ago and I am representing
seagra committee members who couldn't be
here and I've got quotes from them as
well as our business chamber members I
did speak in detail a fortnight ago
about the serious effects that this
would have uh firstly for the sake of
our minute takers speaking to cl2 4.68
financial sustainability monthly report
and in particular the Motions the
recommendations around cutting Community
grants and imposing outdoor dining
charges
uh I did give some examples about how
this would be essentially the straw that
breaks the camels back for many
businesses in this current cost of
living crisis uh it was it was raised at
the meeting that councils uh in
surrounding areas do charge an outdoor
dining fee and I'd like to point out
that many councils don't including
Sydney city council who have opted to
wave these fees until 2025 given the
enormous pressure that Hospitality
businesses have been under post Co and
continue to be uh as declining Fort
traffic has been just decimated post
postco and working from home I
watched with interest the debate the
note you went into Committee of the
whole and had quite a thorough
discussion about this issue and I could
see the frustration of staff and
counselors too uh knowing that there is
a significant black hole in the budget
and that a rate rise was proposed and uh
widespread opposition to that and
then bringing forward this suggestion
which was also uh attracting opposition
but I would like to say that the
community are also frustrated too and I
think we expected something for the
first suggestion to come forward that
might be a bit more substantial
something around a solution in the
way of asset sales of non-essential
assets it it just feels like a an
imposition on businesses to raise
$40,000 uh or ripping away from 48
Community groups2 200,000 with a $30
million black uh black hole in the
budget which doesn't seem like a lot to
council but is a is a deal breaker for
many businesses and and I liken it to it
would be like if I had nerous
investment properties I don't have any
but let's imagine for a moment that I
did and I discovered I had a black hole
in my operating expenses so I went
around hat in hand asking for
contributions from people who could ill
afford it uh when really I should just
uh sell what I have and get myself back
on track and get my houseing order first
and I think that's really what the
community and business Community are
saying to
me in regards to community grants one
Seager member on the south uh who's
actually our South Coast Woman of the
Year Sandra gry pointed out that uh and
she couldn't be here so I'll quote her
directly but she says shell Haven
Council don't actually deliver any
direct Community Services the community
organizations that receive donations are
the ones at the coace supporting youth
seniors people with disabilities running
neighborhood centers and community
Transport and food banks with volunteers
the
$200,000 is how the council can support
the delivery of these critical Community
Services she said and I do have to say
with my other haton as managing director
of the narrow Community Food Store a
local food bank I understand the
significant operating expenses that go
into running these essential
communitybased services and we are
committed to delivering that uh and
although we don't personally receive
support from Council I know many do rely
on that so I do hope that at the very
least nber 10 and 11 can be removed
from the recommendation tonight and the
sale of non-essential assets be
considered instead and just a couple of
points from other members of the seagar
committee Matt Dell Milton ellaa
business chamber manager did say that
many of the hospitality businesses that
are his members uh didn't have the
bper smer that they were expecting
and as you know a lot of our businesses
do try and make their money in smer to
carry them through the winter months and
uh Katherine Shields added to that uh
she's formerly from destination Sydney
suround South and CBD revitalization
committee and she says there's just not
the fat on the bone to get through
winter that they' hoped so the situation
is serious indeed and I would ask that
you would reconsider item 10 and 11
thank you Jemma
Gemma are there any questions to Jimma
this
evening yeah councelor Gray
thanks JMA now you mentioned the city of
Sydney you're bringing it back in in
2025 would you have any objection if sh
Haven was to bring it in in
2025 I think it needs to definitely be
waved for now maybe with an option to
come back uh in five years uh I think
we're uh experiencing it a little bit
harder in the regions than Metro areas
so uh by all means uh bring it back for
consideration and we can see where the
situation lies uh but at the moment
during this cost of living crisis uh we
we simply cannot bear an an extra charge
and another imposition on
costs and I'll repeat the question I
asked John Lamont we've got wind caribbe
Euro badala and Cay all are bordering
all having outdoor dining
fees why do you really think at the end
of the day we can justify in a financial
crisis that we don't like you know how
do we tell people well they're okay
they've got it they've got it and Sydney
are bringing it in but we'll stay for
this this way that $40,000 will have a
severe impact I I wouldn't be surprised
if many businesses closed over it which
affects life in the CBD it has a flow on
effect not just to families who are
running them but the flow on effects
within our CBD it would it would
decimate the the Naro
CBD it no getting getting to your
question because I know that you asked
this last time and I did go and look at
other councils and as I said there are
many that don't charge it uh Sydney is
just one of them I was born in narab out
in the country and they don't do it
because they have the economic foresight
to see that uh that charge uh would
actually have a negative impact on
businesses and and a negative flow on
effect could I just say
$40,000 in the scheme of a $30 million
black budg black hole in the budget is
nothing to council but it is a huge
thing to so many Community groups and
businesses and
I and I really think I mean I haven't
been a counselor for 10 years or
something so it's been a while since
I've seen the asset register but I
guarantee there will be non-essential
assets of land that could be sold that
would have far more impact on council's
budget than a $40,000 outdoor dining
charge thank you
great councilor
Darth oh thank you I'm confused where
did $40,000 come from that's what's
proposed to be raised by charging
businesses so it's not each business
paying $40,000 it's not is it not just
now a CBD it's it's if you're suggesting
that c
$40,000 that's right yep so if you're
suggesting that $1,000 charge on a mom
and dad Cafe who aren't making money as
it is and they're working 70 hours a
week between them because of the rising
cost of petrol electricity Insurance
wages raw Goods materials if you're
suggesting that $1,000 isn't going to
have an impact on them then I I think
you need a reality check I'm
sorry I'm just a little confused $11,000
per year have you it's detailed in the
report how much the charge is okay so
then why are you seeking clarification
for me on how much it will charge
business owners confusing me and I
am a business owner so I I do
understand and I'm going to leave it at
that and argue it at uh a later date
thank you any further questions
councilors okay thanks
[Applause]
JMA so councilors that brings us to the
call over of the business paper there
are a nber of items that do need to
be withdrawn including the not sorry the
question on notice and the notice of
motion obviously our financial
sustainability report and in the
CEO's group also the local government
general amendment to the aric uh then in
City performance we've got one that
we've got a procedural motion to
defer which is
24.72 uh which is the membership
appointment for the narrow CBD
revitalization strategy this the CEO
has been advised that there are matters
that require addressing before any
that before any procedure to appoint new
members can be uh to can go ahead so
that one will be a procedure to uh sorry
a procedural motion to defer so I ask is
anyone does anyone wish to withdraw CL
2470 CL
2471 and then obviously the deferral
then on
72 if no one wishes to withdraw any of
those items can I have someone move
those thank you councilor white a
secondary and counselor kotash is there
any descent that those items are carried
there being none then the following
items are now approved unanimously
which is CL 2470 the ongoing register of
Peary interest returns for February 2024
CL
2471 the request for approve approval
for the staff members participation in
sponsored specialist risk management
training and related international
travel CL 2472 being withdrawn the
investment report does anyone wish to
withdraw that and have a discussion on
that no can have a mover then for the
investment report thank you councelor
Wells seconded by councel white any
descent in that being carried there
being none then that is carried on also
we withdraw CL
2474 in City Futures we have then
three remaining uh reports in City
Futures being 75 76 and 77 does anyone
wish to withdraw either of any of those
items no one I have a sorry Council
Wells which one I don't wish to withdraw
any of them but Madame mayor I believe
the classification of 2474 should be in
City performance
and not City Futures right that's fine
are you moving then 7475 sorry 7576
and 77 I am thank you and a secondary
and councilor Norris is there any
dissenting voices on that there being
none then the following items are
carried unanimously CL
2475 the post exhibition outcomes and
next steps for the proponent initiated
planning proposal for 88 North Bender
long road
bendong CL
2476 the proposed planning agreement for
the dedication of land to council for
public purpose to assist with the
delivery of the mosil Road South Urban
release area and cl
2477 the proposed planning agreement for
stage two mossvale Road South release
area and that's SF
10804 I have a question on that one
Madam May yes councelor
Wells but you want me to ask the
question now I would preferred that you
had asked the question on that
particular motion at the beginning of
this section but if you would like to
prosecute your question now that would
be great thank you go to page
56 Madame mayor the the owner of the
property and its Consultants would like
to know from staff or the CEO uh when
can they be expected to receive the
Deferred commencement conditions for
this subdivision great councelor that's
an operational matter that can be raised
directly with the CEO and uh you the
proponents will get an answer by
following the correct protocols and
procedures to do so thank you in that
case I'll move it it's already been
moved seconded and it's been carried by
all of us cl2 and I by Indulgence let
you have that question CL 2478 the
acquisition of aan Creek is there
anyone who wishes to withdraw that and
if not can I have someone move it please
thank you moved by councelor gray are
you seconding it councelor wells will
thank you is there any dissent or any
questions on this particular
item there being none Council Wells your
light is on did you have a question on
this before I put
it thank you I'll put that motion is
there any dissenting voices they're
being none then CL
2478 the acquisition of Aban Creek drain
Bomer as a drainage Reserve is also
carried
unanimously CL
2479 which is the sorry in the next
section of reports the city Lifestyles
which is 79 the strategy for
libraries 80 the community well-being
grants the appointment of members to
the uh to the committee for the for the
Youth committee the advisory committee
and the sh Haven District Football
Association and the Bob proud foot
Pavilion does anyone wish to withdraw
any there thank
you yeah thank you councelor
gray thank
you any further withdrawals from that
batch of reports
councilors no can I have someone then
move 8182 and 83 thank you councelor
Norris seconded by counselor cot lash
are there any dissenting voices that we
receive those three items
unanimously there being no dissenting
voices then the following items are also
carried unanimously CL 2481 the
membership appointment for the Youth
advisory
committee CL
2482 the SCH Haven District Football
Association the amenities building the
co- contribution request the open
portion of that report noting that there
is a confidential report and cl 24 83
the Bob proudfoot Pavilion tender and
project update are all now carried
unanimously thank
you so councilors then that will take us
back to the beginning of the
paper and as the
deputations as it's normally the
deputations would be dealt with in in
the early part of the business can I
someone please move the procedural
motion that we deal with both of the
deputized items first thank you Council
White
yep so you're asking for a procedural
motion then so the order of business
will be this we will deal with the
financial sustainability monthly report
then we will go we'll just do it in Ser
in in serial nbers to make it easy for
our minute takers we'll bring forward CL
2484 the notice of motion on the
handheld defibs then we'll do 85 the
questions on notice considering that
their questions on notice and should
actually be fairly quick to deal with
is there agreement councilors or is
there any disagreement that that's the
the procedural matter that we're now
de dealing with there being no
dissenting voices then that is carried
and we will move back then to the
beginning of the paper to the financial
sustainability monthly report councelor
white yes I will move that a
procedural motion that we deal with
these items in Seri at so each
counselor can have their decision if
they want to vote for it or against or
they want to make amendments to the
recommendation I have sent an
amendment to the minute
secretary on this which actually does
break it up into recommend single
recommendations but I've also had a
request from some counselors if we can
deal with each project individually as
well so in recommendation one where I've
put place the following projects on
pause until the council's financial
position improve AB b c d down to F they
would like to deal with the ABC down to
F individually if that's okay with the
meeting right well let's deal with that
then and let's to start with nber one
I'll second so nber one is place
the bay and Bas Legend Center into
into the unfunded Paws who's moving that
I'll move it thank you who's seconding
that thank you councelor kotash is there
any dissenting voices I'm going to just
put that because I don't think that
there's going to be too much debate on
that if anyone wants to jp in with
debate please just hit your button
I'm now going to put that are there any
dissenting voices that we pause the bay
and Basin Leisure
Center there being no dissenting voices
then that is carried
we'll go to item two placing the Bob
proud foot Pavilion on pause to have a
mve for that happy to move it thank you
and a seconder thank you councelor
Norris any discussion
councilors no discussion then I'm going
to put that are there any dissenting
voices there being none then that is
carried takes us to item three the Bomer
basketball stadi the Redevelopment to
have a move for placing that project on
pause I'm happy to move it thank you
councelor white seconded by councelor
gray any discussion or questions
councilors yeah thank you
councilor sister
counc councelor Wells Madame May there
are two things that need to be brought
to council's attention in relation to
this matter yes the shell Haven District
Basketball Association has asked for a
meeting between its executive and the
full Council and secondly I understand
that uh council's already made an
application for State grant funding for
this project and I think we have an
entitlement to know where that grant
funding currently is at state level uh
before we sign off on this so I would
probably suggest we defer this pending
that meeting and further advice on the
funding situation okay so currently
counselor the motion that I have before
me is uh one to pause it that has been
moved and seconded uh but I will ask
through the CEO to M Lewis the status
of the Grant application thank
you through you Madame mayor
counselor a
uh the staff are leasing with the
basketball association with regard to
scheduling the meeting and an invitation
will be extended to all available
counselors with regard to a Grant
application at this point in time no
Grant applications have been made for
that uh particular
project uh Council was considering
making an application under the regional
partnership and precincts uh program
program uh but at this stage an
application has not gone ahead and we're
not in a position to make an application
at this point in
time so councelor for your for your
information the other application that
Council had considered was an our
Riverfront task force application for
that precincts and that one has been
submitted so I have a live motion
that is to pause the Bomer basketball
stadi I think that that one will
probably need to now go to a vote can
I ask for those who support the pausing
of that project please oh actually we've
got our voting devices don't we let's
use the voting device and
uh let's see how we
go it's okay just wait a little minute
and then we'll there we
go
aha okay so counselors there's a little
trick in this councelor Watson do you
vote for the pausing of the Bomer
basketball
project yes and I saw a positive finger
there I'm sure and I also see a positive
hand from counselor Kristen so we can
have both of them noted thank
you thank you so that motion is
carried we go now to the sanctuary Point
Library councilor
white so we're up to bonger aren't we
no we're going to Sanctuary we were
doing these in Syria oh from from your
from the original I do understand that
there's further discussion on on
Sanctuary point and there's probably
further discussion on buer so how about
we move directly to six we'll come back
and we'll deal with those is that okay
councilors yep okay so we're going to go
to nber six place the skate parks and
pp tracks under investigation planning
and design Works sasic Inlet Sanctuary
Point bomit are and wary on pause do I
have a mover for that happy to move that
thank you councelor white and a second
thank you councelor Kash do we need to
discuss that
councilors you want to vote against it
okay and councilor Wells you've got a
question I do have a question Madam M
thank you is the coverage of this
uh uh skate park and pp track U
proposal include the alal skate park or
not no that's a large project in the
capital budget that will probably come
up to the next report that's it's fully
funded or not I'll go through to
director Lewis for you but yeah thank
you
uh through you Madame mayor this
particular resolution does not apply to
the othera state par nor the band Basin
skate park and it is intended to bring
that to a future meeting of council
and uh both of those projects at this
point in time are not fully
funded so the proposal would be that
funding be provided in the 2425 budget
to match the $2.3 million loan fund
already secured for that facility
councelor that's not an item that's on
discussion for this evening and we'll
deal with that when it comes thank you
thank you so the item that is in front
of us is placing the investigations and
planning for Sussex Sanctuary Point
bomin area and wari on pause councelor L
has indicated that he wishes to vote
against so we'll use the voting device
again and I'm checking in councelor
Kristen you support pausing the pp
tracks no thank you so Council Christen
also votes against Council
Watson do you vote for the pause or
against for I'm going to register you
councilor Watson as voting for that
pause thank
you you should be able
to let me just there we
go I think what copy was referring to
was this image where you can see who's
green for Go Red For not great okay so
that is also
carried so that takes us to item seven
the berry Spinners and wavers councilor
white yes sir I have a different
recommendation for that and that is that
the council endorsed placing the berry
Spinners and Weavers construction works
on hold until spinners and wavers
obtained total grant funding for the
project and this has been a bit of
discussion over recent times when we've
had briefing Etc when it came up to
council so I understand there is a
meeting on Thursday that I will be
attending but it's always been made
clear to the burying Spinners and wavers
that they needed to find the funding to
actually build the building not Council
okay so I'm happy to move that
recommendation okay so with that minor
variation I just check in with Riley y
great do I have a second please for that
thank you councelor Wells so moved by
councelor white seconded by councelor
Wells so councilors is there any
further discussion on Berry Spinners and
Weavers there being none then I'll P put
that motion are there any dissenting
voices there being none then that one is
carried okay we're up to
section8 placing the showr nursery
animal nursery on
paes
councilor Wells yes madame mayor
following the consideration of this
matter in briefing last week I made
contact with the Barry show ground
management committee and the show
society and pointed out to them that the
fact that they wish to use the
replacement building for two days a year
for an animal Nursery was Shifting the
classification of that building from
class 10 to class 9B with a consequent
fourfold in increase in its
cost so the show Society indicated to me
last Thursday that they would be very
willing to continue doing the animal
Nursery under their current Marquee
Elsewhere on the show ground and
dedicate this building exclusively for
storage which reduces its cost from half
a million dollar to about $65 to
$70,000 the application for the
development consent for this facility
hasn't gone through the portal yet nor
have any da fees been paid
but in consultation with Council staff
today and on
Friday a DA for a class 10 building will
be lodged with Council uh by the show
society which puts this proposal into a
completely different category to the
others that we have before us tonight so
I'm just outlining to council what the
situation is we're not ping an animal
Nursery the animal Nursery is off the
table but we are signing off on a fully
funded Grant funded
$134,000 in funding by the state to ask
the state to allow it to be used for a
permanent storage shed which will cost
approximately half the grants that's
been received so Council Wells that
makes this quite difficult to manage
because sure what I now need from the
floor is an active motion and
councilors what that sounds like to me
is a a whole reig of that so I don't
see that there's a problem with putting
this motion on pause and then any
further changes that need to be made at
the Showgram be negotiated with the
staff after in the coming
weeks Madam May the council is quite at
Liberty to put the AL animal nursery on
paes because there won't be an animal
Nursery correct so you're moving so yeah
thank you so councelor Wells moves the
motion as printed seconded by councelor
white I'll just check now with the
councilors is there any further
questions or any need for
debate there being none then I'll put
that are there any dissenting voices
there being none then that is carried
thank
you so the kangaroo Valley
playground thank you councelor white
yeah I'm happy to place the kangaroo
Valley playground investigations
planning and design Works which is
unfunded on Paws until we have better
financial position on it thank you so I
have councelor white move that councelor
cot lash second any discussion or
otherwise
councilors there being none then I'm
going to put the motion are there any
dis oh thank you councelor Kristen yeah
do you want to just give me some
audio Yeah Madam where I I was just
wondering if Council staff could
give any feedback on what the cost of
Investigation aspect is y okay thank you
I'll just go through to Miss Lewis to
director
Lewis uh through you Madame mayor
originally a s of $50,000 had been
identified to assist with this process
which would include the community
engagement that is subsequently being
removed through the courtly budget
review process so the project even in
the investigations State remains
unfunded was that clear for you
councelor yeah I I get the gist now
thank you thank you and so are there any
further questions on this one if not I'm
going to put that to the vote are there
any dissenting voices there being no
dissenting voices and that is carried
thank you okay so that leaves the
contentious items councilors are the
more contentious items so we're going to
go back to part four and we'll deal
with the sanctuary Point District
Library councelor
white yes so I've put an alternative
recommendation which was circulated to
all counselors and that is that Council
indorse the continuation of the
sanctuary Point Library construction
project subject to the following a
meeting with Fiona Phillips of member
for Gilmore Liza Butler member for South
Coast counselors and staff and the
outcome comes as per the original
recommendation that was put to council
about 8 n weeks ago that we review
the design Works cost similar to the
Shell Harbor rilla library consultation
with the community following the
inspection of the shell sorry shell
Harbor rilla library by the community
which is I understand to take place in
early April and a review of site
options so it keeps the continuation of
this project moving forward until we
have addressed all of those issues
second so uh any discussion councilors
yep councelor Kristen thank
you thank you Madame mayor I I would
like to ask
star what the implications are of of
this changes to in in light of this
libraryies strategic plan that's just
been
finalized because what I'm kind of
aware of is that we are in the process
of
kind of Reinventing the library
strategic plan kind of on the fly in the
chamber by making these uh changes so
in a sense if in a sense if that if
the original concept is going to be
shelled and you know councilors
arbitrarily come up with another sized
Library is that going to fit the bill
and would it not be prudent to
first review ask for a review of the
library strategic library's strategic
plan and how that would be affective did
and how other aspects of the plan would
be affected and and uh what a if
we're not going to have the original
design Library what an appropriate
combination of Library like facilities
and uh you know Vans etc etc would be
best positioned to service the needs of
the
community thank you I'll go through the
CEO to uh director
Lewis uh through you Madame
mayor councilor you're correct in
that the library strategic plan does
identify delivering that project as
does our delivery program and operations
plan however dependent on the direction
that the decision of council that may
need to change should the scope of
the project change uh we need to be
cognizant of the New South Wales public
libraries guidelines people places and
uh the appropriate sizing of libraries
and and their recommendations as to
what is an appropriate level of amenity
to meet the needs of a growing area of
the community now and into the future if
the project was to be res scoped along
the lines of a of
ailla style Library it would require
the process to recommence and a new DA
to be submitted so there are
implications across nber of fronts in
terms of the size and scale of the
project in terms of the timeline the
process that we need to go through
and in addition to that the funding
that would be required to deliver the
project but also the ongoing operational
requirements and the cost to operate the
library which uh both of which at this
point are not funded within our current
forward
program do you have any further
supplementary questions councilor
Christen so madam
I think I'd like to foreshadow uh a
motion on the
library that
the uh staff be
requested to assess the
impacts of not going ahead with the
the
current uh planned Sanctuary Point
library in the context of the total
Library strategic plan
and provide a report back to
Council on options to move
forward with a a
lesser budget for
facilities I'm happy to have that
word Smith Madam Mayor okay so
counselor I'm just gonna ask you
councelor Christian I'm going to ask you
the question and then I'm G to ask
councelor white a similar question do
you believe that that should be part of
the existing amendment that councelor
white has put because I think instead of
just having a foreshadowed we could
possibly get some consensus around
bringing those two together and I
just talked to councelor white councelor
white would you be prepared to include
that in the motion the substantive
motion that you have put this
evening so that Council endorse the
continuation of the sanctuary Point
Library construction subject to the
following so the meeting the review
of the design works the construction the
review of the site options and then as
and in a review of the impact of not
going ahead with the scope that
currently
stands and then any other options going
forward
would that make sense to both of you or
not councelor
Christen yes thank you Madame may I
mean that's a great approach what I
would like to sort of highlight though
is I'd like to see what I've mentioned
perhaps be like Part B if you like to
to give input to the rest of it so you
know before looking review of design
works and costs and all of that have it
have it earlier so we know what we might
be aiming for and what what staff might
might recommend and I I I I also asked
to think outside the box you know not
just absolutely just one one building or
one facility or you know just really
look at the whole thing how how that
sort of amount of money we do have
available could be best implemented
rather than just jping to a straight
to a
a conclusion if that's okay move that
up to say B that could guide the rest of
it understood I'm just go now to
counselor white councelor white do you
accept that no I don't okay so councelor
chrisan do you want to move that then as
a formal
Amendment yes please do I have a
second of that thank you councilor gray
so with the formal Amendment on the
table to include those words it now that
I've nbered e but would be B I need
to open debate and discussion on that
councelor Norris
thank you mayor a question through you
or through the CEO to finance team
whether that be director Hamilton or
Miss Buckman would a report back to
Council on the staging of this or what
council Christi has proposed cost staff
time and
money thank
you
y uh through you Madame mayor yes
obviously any report that Council staff
would put together will incur costs
particularly if we're looking at the
redesign of an already agreed scoping
project but that Co that cost would be
would exist that cost would exist
whether it the B was included or not
under the current design of the
motion yeah yeah correct okay y Council
Norris did you have any supplementary
questions no okay any further discussion
on
the on the the addition to the motion
the
amendment
just doing my gymnastics in my head here
councelor Elder did you have a
discussion point on the
amendment oh of course I think that yeah
we can we can polish the wording I think
what council Christ was getting at was
he wanted the strategic plan to be
considered as part of this that was
something that he did mention but at the
moment it just talks about a lesser
budget for for facilities
so I'm just wondering we could
with Council Christen and councilor
Wells and white would consider
just as part of uh review of design
works and cost similar to chel har
World Library and then just a further
Point say review of any changes in
line with council's uh Library
strategic
plan because I think that's what you're
sort of getting at how it sort of
impacts that plan it is yeah so I think
we already looking at the design and
works in the scope of that if we're
already looking at the realer option
because that's maybe a lesser or lesser
budget option there so maybe we could
just just have that review of the
council's uh Library strategic plan so
if we Mash that together in with
councilor
Kristen's existing Amendment and looked
at that so the current Amendment reads
review of the impact review the impact
of not going ahead with the scope of
sanctuary Point library in line with the
libraryies Strategic
plan yeah and provide a report back to
Council on options to move forward with
a lesser a lesser budget for for those
facilities options
yep
okay and report back to council with
options and then not worry about the
rest is that what you're saying yeah
okay just let me check in councelor
Christen you're happy with that yep
great all right so we've word Smith
this a bit is there any further
amendments or any further discussion on
the
amendment councilor Wells is your
discussion on the
amendment not supporting him okay so
then that will bring me now to putting
the Council CHR do you want the notes
fine I'm now going to put the
amendment and can we have the vote is up
in front of you now if I can have you
vote for or against the amendment
please
okay so the amendment is
lost which takes us now back to the
substantive
motion with the substantive motion if we
can go back to the substantive
please thank you let's just check back
in to make sure that everyone's happy
with what they are voting
on so where we're at now is the review
of the
design works and cost similar to the
consultation with the community
following inspection of shell Harbor
and the
review everyone's clear on what the vote
now
is yep okay I'm going to go now do
you wish the right of reply councelor
white no no right of reply so we're
going to go directly now to the vote so
counselors online if I can get an
indication of your votes as I can get
Brooke to put so that's a negative from
councelor Christen councelor Watson are
you positive or negative for this
vote I'm supporting the amend the motion
great thank you
we've got all votes
in yep all votes are in thank you and
the amendment is
carried sorry the the motion that
councelor white put which was an amended
motion he's carried okay so that brings
us to uh bonger stages 5 to 7 Council
white yes I'm happy to place buery 5
to seven stages on pause until such
time as our financial position uh
improves thank you and seconded now by
councelor
Norris any discussion
councilors any dissenting voices thank
you councelor Wells just need to clarify
through the CEO Mr Lewis that Council
already has the funding for stage five
is that
correct thank you to director Lewis
please uh through you Madame mayor uh
counselor there is partial funding it is
contingent on a grant funding
application that we have however we
are seeking a change of scope and
that requires the The Minister's
consent it is set with the minister at
this point and we do not have a time
frame as to when that decision may or
may not be made so if we pause the
project now that work with the Minister
and his staff will continue and can be
reported back to council to refire the
project we can certainly if that's
the way Council wishes to proceed where
we can pursue an outcome from The
Minister's office and report that back
to council at a future
date my understanding was we had some
residual loan funding that was dedicated
to stage five the junior sporting field
how much how much of that's left it's a
combination of loan funding and grant
funding I can't I can take that on
notice unless the CFO like the
quant if
possible Grant on a loan because there's
no council money in there we're actually
pausing somebody else's money a loan is
still Council money councilor because it
still needs to be repaid but I can just
check in with the CEO and Miss Buckman's
just bringing that up to respond thank
you
just don't want to throw the baby out
with the bath water that's all
understood nobody wants to throw out
anything counselor no that's some wanted
to rate rise so
true you could you could have had you
could have made an application to
statute variation not
to that's okay we're taking our time
it's all good happy to take it on notice
Madam May for the efficiency of the
change
that's okay well you've the question has
been asked and we will await patiently
Lo and it's all
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fine so through you Madam Mayor I can
confirm that that project is at the
moment funded through a mixture of both
grants and Loans there's no general fund
contribution to it but as the has
already been presented in terms of loan
funding there obviously is
operational costs in terms of interest
borrowings that are attached to
that
uh the
unspent no I'll have to take that on
notice councelor gray just a quick
question I happened to be driving down
North Street the other day and the
parking is really bad as in we get dips
like nearly 12 in or 30 cm it does this
mean everything's on hold or will the
parking be fixed so the berry Community
knows what's going on thank you Council
gray through to Miss Lewis thank you uh
through you Madame mayor this
essentially would pause all the works
that is being undertaken or the planning
that's that's being undertaken for for
stages five uh and seven and that would
include any proposed works for car
parking thank
you any further discussion Council
La okay Council white do you need to
write write a reply so we'll go to the
vote now for this particular item I'll
just check in councelors Kristen and
Watson the vote in front of us is to
pause uh are you affirmative or positive
or negative on that that's a positive
from counselor Kristen and a positive
from counselor
Watson we're pausing 5 to 7 in
bonger all the votes are
in and that motion is carried thank
you okay Council that brings us to item
10 which is the community donations
portion of the business paper of this
paper thank you councelor white yes I'd
like to move the recommendation that the
council donation program for the 2425
Financial year be retained to the same
amount granted in
2324 that is
$200,000 less the fireworks projects so
there were several fireworks projects in
that in that that we allocated last
year I think by memory and it's only by
my memory it's about
$20,000 so take the fireworks money
out of it so I'd like to move that
second so count can we make that clear
then that that's
175,000 180 cuz it was 20,000 20 not 25
okay so can you make that clear and just
make it 180 thank you so it's been moved
by councelor white as 180 seconded by
councelor Wells counselor
kotash thank you me I've got an
amendment that I sent through a bit
earlier I think I sent it to seal
minutes did you get oh look at that they
got it and my
Amendment revolves around a whole lot of
grants that may or may not be available
for Council to use to back pay this fund
so for example I've had a look at the
grants that are available in the New
South Wales uh government portal at the
moment and there's for example a
regional event fund where there's a
development Grant of up to $50,000 for
business individual local government and
not for profits that may become
available in the next little while
there's also some major event funding
that's available up to 150,000 for one
so what my amendment is is suggesting
that if council is able to take those
grants and get them then the Quant of
that grant that would go into the
community money goes back into Council
funds so say for example one of the
$180,000 is a $220,000 grant for
something if council is able to secure
funds from the state government then
that $20,000 that was in that project
goes back into the council general fund
yeah I understand the sentiment of that
councilor kutash it's very clear to me
what you want to achieve yes but it I
think that's a difficult one because
that's working on a promise and what the
staff are asking from us this evening is
clear Direction on a Quant to pack
into the budget for
2425 so unless there's a redu if
you're suggesting that there's a
reduction and amending it that way that
would perhaps work but without
knowing th whether those things are
qualified or not I think that that makes
that a little bit problematic yes may
finy I see your point
yeah so do you wish to pursue that
Amendment yes I do yep okay so when
grant funding is received so do you
want that to
replace or is that additional two nber
10 great so councilor white is moving
that that's 180k and you're putting
forward a part two to that being those
words yep okay now I've got that
straight let me go to councilor white to
accept words SM yep I just need to check
in with councelor white that she accepts
that
Amendment
question yep so these grants normally go
out on a for Community to put them in
it's usually they'll go out in around
August September if my understanding is
right and then they'll be awarded at
the beginning of next year so what
are we going how are we going to deal
with these grants with the state
government uh is it going to be an
additional to what we're putting out and
if we're going to reduce it how do we
know how much to reduce it by when it
goes out to community because we may or
may not get them and it does take a
period of time for the grand an to
come back to council so is it going to
hold up our grants program 180 gu thank
you yeah the 180 is got to be guaranteed
yeah yeah I'll go to the CEO to answer
that one thanks councelor white yes I
think you're right while the idea is
a good one to consider I think the
relying on other Grant programs to
offset the cost of our grant program
would make the whole process uh very
difficult to administer uh and very
challenging alling to for the community
to understand what might be
available so I'm not accepting the
amendment okay councelor kotash do
you wish to pursue the amendment with a
second
up no thank you so the amendment is
withdrawn so we return then to the
substantive motion of 180k councelor
L I'm excited mayor I think that again
this word smiing I think we need to
delete the words less fireworks projects
because it's already covered by the
wding that's been added in there I don't
want $180,000 to go down to say
$160,000 for that being interpreted
differently so we're just updating the
policy so those applications aren't
eligible so councelor L can I request
then that you make an amendment to
make it clear that fireworks will not be
funded in the 2425 budget I think we're
just saying applications under the
Community Don budget won't be
eligible I think that's that's fair
enough Council white are you happy to
put in an amendment to that so that
it's clear that it's fireworks that will
not be funded I'm happy to do that to
put an amendment in to make it clear
that fireworks projects will be
ineligible for grant funding in the 2425
Year great thank
you okay any further advances changes or
otherwise on this motion
councelor
Kristen yeah thank you Madame may I just
like to make councilors aware that we're
changing policy on the Fly and making
policy up in the chamber without having
a full discussion of the
implications it might be
preferable if you agree with me to
just make the statement that the
community donations program be 180,000
and then indicate that we need to
update the community donations program
to decide what are the items of priority
that we wish to continue to fund in
the
future so that would be just I'm just
pointing this out that I don't think
this is a really good way of changing an
updating policy so I leave that to
you Madame mayor to perhaps guide the
chamber thank you thank thank you I'll
just check with councelor white to see
if there's any appetite to further amend
to discuss the policy issue itself
councel white no so councelor white
rejects any further amendments
councelor Kristen unless you wish to
formalize it
so oh it's not worth it okay thank
you
so just so that it's clear for everyone
who's listening to the debate when
Council make this decision whatever this
decision is that is factored into the
2425 budget so any applications that are
currently before Council for this year's
alloc
remain
unchanged so that that's nice and clear
that remains
unchanged you
haven't can we get we're just going to
get some clarity on what's happening
with this year's current allocation
thank
you yeah you want to go yeah thanks
through you Madame mayor for this
year the applications haven't gone out
so I we make the decision tonight here
we'll send the applications out for the
2425 they come back before we do the
budget for 24 25
okay is that clear for
everybody yep yep people are clear so
applications can be made this financial
year for next financial Year's funding
so the decision that you make tonight
will enable officers to advertise next
year's grant program and assess the
applications in line with the resolution
that you make and uh then the so the
allocation will be put so it's just
so there's not confusion that
applications are later in the calendar
year they're they're ready to go
immediately pretty much yeah I guess
my my final question before we I go back
to the microphones that are lit
the discussion has been around not
funding
fireworks uh and there's councelor white
has made it clear that she believes that
that amount is
$20,000 and we just want to make sure
that that's there's no other little
hidden bits in there on fireworks and
we'll be back to review that yeah
through Madame mer it's about 19
19k great okay that's good so we're all
pretty clear I have two lights in front
of me I have counselor Wells and
counselor L counselor Wells you're
next yes thank you Madam Mayor I just
wanted to address a comment that uh
Council Christen made that we're making
policy on the Fly Madame mayor we're
making policy on the basis of the
matters that are brought before us to
consider this process started out four
or five weeks ago where we considered
initially the statud rate variation and
fees and charges increase uh that work
is now behind us we moved on to uh
considering Capital Works program which
we've addressed tonight with several
major projects and somewhat
bizarrely uh community donations and
outdoor dining wouldn't have thought
that they were significant issues but
they're before us and we have to
consider them as they come before
us we're now moving into the area of
leases and licenses and asset sales and
so forth we can only deal with council's
business as the administration brings it
before us so I don't believe I making
any decisions on the Fly I've made my
decisions about donations a long long
time ago and I just want to draw
council's attention before we vote on
this matter to the uh issues raised by
the deputy from the albatross musical
theater company that the $180,000 we
voting tonight when multiplied over the
course of
2425 will bring an excess of a million
dollars worth of value to our local
community I urge you to support the
motion thank you councilor
L thanks Madam Mayor uh I will just very
briefly speak to the issue as well
I'm pleased that hopefully tonight we've
uh decided to retain the community
donations budget I think we've all
heard at length from various
organizations impact this will have uh
and I think that what we've hopefully
settled on is a sensible Way Forward uh
what I just wanted to again just being
pedantic about the wording I'm just
wondering if Council Wells and white
would agree to remove retainer the
same amount granted in 23 24 cuz we're
obviously not doing that just to say
that for 2425 it will will be $180,000
we've already addressed the matter of
five weeks just Clarity
okay there you go that was easy extra th
on on
offer okay so we have a multiply
multiply changed motion now before us
is there any further discussion
councilors if there's no further
discussion councelor white do you wish a
write a reply yes please I'd like to
thank the depues who made deputations
here tonight for their organizations and
to all the people who sent emails to
counselors and to council in relation
to the effects that taking away the
community donations would have on their
yearly activities that they do as
Council Wells has pointed out uh the
amount of money that we're giving is a
very small portion of money when you
multiply it out to the effect out into
the community so I'm hoping that all
councilors can vote for this so we
can retain the community donations and
also I want to thank Council kotash
for his comments in relation to the
state government and grants that state
government have I think all Community
organizations know that they can get
direct grants from the uh from the state
and federal government and that's a
bonus as far as I'm concerned if a
community organization gets more money
from the state and federal that's a
bonus for our areas for
communities okay so with that councilors
we're going to now go to the
vote so councelor Kristen and
councelor Watson are you voting for or
against the
donations is that for councelor
Christen yeah I'm for it great so
councilor Watson and Christen voting
for okay that motion has now been
carried thank
you we're almost there counselors we're
we're doing well we're getting to the
end of the financial sustainability
monthly report councelor white yes so
the last one I believe it's on the
outdoor dining and I'm happy to hand
over to counselor Norris because I think
he has a recommendation that is
actually quite uh supportive of
what we're trying to do here instead of
just uh not waving them for 24 25 so I'm
happy to hand over and I'm happy to
Second his recommendation great thank
you councelor noris would you like to
bring the business please thank you m
and thank you councelor white I have
sent through my recommendation to CL
minutes and that is the council hold
briefings on the outdoor dining and
retail space on the foot path that's
difficult to say to quickly uh dining
and retail space on the footpath
framework with potential zones and
charges to be identified and outlined to
counselors for the 2025 Council so
letting us have a look at it and have
the full gamut of information now but
giving it to next year's lot to make the
decision thank you okay so counselor
Norris I need to ask the following
questions so you're asking for a
briefing on how outdoor dining could
be possibly zoned and how it could be
possibly then levied in
2025 I'm now going to ask you
considering that so counselor Wells I
do need to
just pick up on what he said before is
that we haven't just been working on
this financial sustainability for the
last few months we've been we've been
working for this for months not weeks
and we have got weeks of work and
briefings and workshops ahead of us
is it your
expectation that this briefing so that
there's Clarity for the council is this
are you intending for this briefing to
occur to inform the 20
2425 budget going on exhibition or are
you just looking at putting some leg
work in place so that there is a report
for the
20 the class of 24 counselors who face
the September election give me some
clarity on that yes thank you m the
the intention in my mind is that I do
not want to Trp the work we're doing
in the financial sustainability I want
that work to continue on as as normal
but the leg work to go in now so that
the next ter of council does have the
full gamut of information in front of
them okay so can I be as bold to
assist with the amendment please
and that the the amendment is that we
defer the reinstatement off the outdoor
dining and seek a briefing from staff on
options for the following Financial
year at the conclusion
of the financial sustainability work
that we're undertaking would that work
for you yes great and does that work for
you counselor white great so that just
takes some pressure off staff to not do
that work now and to pass that over
until June or post June probably even
July okay I've got some nods but I've
got a green light from councel Copley so
I'm going to go to councel Copley oh
unless Council norish you had more to
say no great okay thank you councilor
Copley thank you Madame mayor I just
like to say for the record that I am not
in support of reinstating this fee for
on an imposition on local business in
any way shape or form uh I think that
looking at it even to do some work or
asking staff to look at zoning or uh
managing this when we're talking about a
potential saving to the to the Council
of
$40,000 is uh is ridiculous I would
just like to have and if you've run a
business you need you know really well
that budgeting is key you need to know
exactly what your expenses are going to
be moving forward so we need to give the
business Community Clarity that this
fee will not be introduced in this year
and I'll be very supportive of waving it
based on how businesses are struggling
in the sh Haven and on the fact that by
reinstating this at any time in the
future actually realizes the council
a very very insignificant amount of
money but does put an impost on the
business community so I'm very
supportive of this just being wiped
entirely to be honest thank
you councelor
kotash thank you forc me I think to
remind the counselors and the community
at large that this fee would become a
business expense and would be able to be
claimed by business so it's not going to
be a great impost that goes on each
business I would also
remind thank you I would also remind
people in the room that those potential
zonings might allow for or if we have a
decent Council briefing and I'm sure we
will thank you director McIntyre that we
will look at how that cost is put
together and I think that's really
important because it's not just about
the outdoor dining it's also about the
outdoor retail space and that's part of
this that hasn't been addressed as a as
a comparison so I think it's important
that we remember those things thank you
councelor NS I've got councelor Darth
can I go to her
first okay great I'll go to council Dar
for a contribution to the debate so
it looks like we're going to be passing
this over to a briefing which we've
already been through this in our
financial sort of workshops and and
things like that we know that other
councils already charge fees including
narab Bri $25 per chair uh I think you
could probably stick three Chairs into a
square meter so that's about
$75 per square meter we're asking for
$76 per square meter I am a business
owner uh my first business in Milton was
the pizza shop uh back in 2000 I had
outdoor dining I would quite have uh
quite gladly have
paid the
fee uh I have a business now that uses
outdoor retail space on Council property
and I would quite happily pay the fee it
helps uh uh my local customers and my
tourist tourist tourist customers to
know that I'm open it attracts people
into the store it is an it's a bonus
for me as a business owner to be able to
use that space and I would quite happily
pay as it is a tax deduction as well
for that space now our tourism
councelor Darth there's a lot of talk
in the gallery can you just wait for a
moment until the gallery have finished
their
conversation great thank you you can
rese okay so we haven't charged
actually I might throw to director
McIntyre uh through you Madame mayor
just to answer uh or reply to a couple
of questions about the last time we did
charge the fees why maybe we got rid of
them what's sort of uh cost to the
community bringing those charges back
would be and
also this is on the Fly sorry Carrie but
what would be the average square
meterage of each of these cafes on their
Unleashed land sorry that's all right
I'm sure director McIntyre will work out
what he can answer and then the rest you
will take on notice thank
you uh through you Madame mayor so
there's a couple of questions there
firstly the council has through various
resolutions of the council waved fees
for for path dining since 2009 so coming
up to 15 calendar years which uh I'm
not aware of any other Council having
done the total cost of that has been
between $315 and $400,000 over that
period of
time uh the
next part of your question was around
I guess trying to estimate what that
square metage would be uh I'm going to
estimate uh between probably 3 and four
square met depending on the size of the
cafe it's Frontage the shop I should say
its Frontage uh and the availability
of space and also the grade of the foot
path but I would estimate between 3 and
four square uh Square met and probably
closer to 3 S M and 4
M thank you Carrie so 3 square m
we're looking at
$150 per business
if it's it's not levied uh or or
tiered through the region which I think
is a bad idea I think everybody
should be charged the same amount
throughout the city $150 is not going to
break the bank es especially if we can
bring it in in a calendar year starting
around the end of January the end of our
tourism period where we are actually you
know sort of flush with money as
opposed to your financial year where in
the middle of the year it is a little
quieter I think this is a gift that
Council has given to businesses for the
last 15 years I and it's also looked at
a new fee that we're imposing on our
businesses but it's not there is no
other Council that waves up fees other
than our Sydney uh with one year uh of
of waving uh there is no other Council
that waves its fees this is a gift
that we have given our businesses and
our businesses are using and making uh
profits uh from the use of council land
and I think that the businesses now need
to
start
paying thank you I've got three lights
on now councilors and I think Council
Norris is still waiting for his of reply
councelor white and councelor Elder
do you have something to contribute to
the debate or questions councelor
white question your Amendment Madam
mayor shouldn't it say for the 25 year
coun the new counselors in 24 not
the financial year correct y so if we
can have that corrected that would be
great and I just any other 2024
Council cuz I voted in in 2024 but
that's right so just so it's really
clear that it's the new Council that is
going to make this decision not this
Council and I'll just add a couple
of things so this was first waved in
2009 I remember it coming to the
20134 council and it was waved again it
came to the 2017 and 18 Council and it
was waved at that time again and I
asse when it comes in into future
years whether it be 24 25 28 29
whatever I think it'll still come
through the fees and charges because it
is an item listed in the fees and
charges and it has to be decided on
every year as part of the budget and the
DP and op what we're going to do with it
so it's going to keep raising it's
it's head one thing that we haven't
looked at before is the space that
retail pay on that foot path as well so
that was brought up at the sigra
meeting last Wednesday about it was
brought up by one of the business
Chambers and if you've read the
minutes from the segra meeting it is
actually listed on there that they would
like to have Council look at that
is point two of their recommendation
item EG
24.7 so I think by doing this and
going and having a bigger full briefing
we can actually address what happens on
our foot paths over a period of time
because there is inequity when you put a
rack of clothes out on the footpath and
I've seen it all over the city they do
it and whether you're having an
outdoor dining area or whatever so I
think it's time that we had a good look
at it and as I said it's going to repeat
year after year because it's going to
come up in the fees and charges thank
you thank you so just for clarity
councilors councilor Norris and
councilor white accepted the amended
version of the motion so that motion is
has become the substantive motion just
as we clear yeah great councelor
L thanks Madam Aon again I might be
engaging in semantics tonight but uh
I just would like to see if we can make
a small per Amendment to the motion just
to say that Council determines not to
reinstate
outdoor dining public footpath Annual
fees as part of the
2024 2025
budget uh and then confer
defer this or defer any F further
consideration for the next
Council uh for the for the 2024 2025
budget
yeah I mean I think that and it
should also probably say at the end
in the leadup or as part of the
consideration for the 2025 2026 budget
at the
end now let me just check in with your
colleagues that they're happy to accept
the amendment councel Norris and councel
white you accepting
councelor L's
amendments no okay
I'm leave to the counil
yeah so let's just take this back
councelor L do you wish to pursue your
amendments as a formal Amendment and do
you seek a second to to do so or are you
happy clear to me that this was actually
being the decision was being deferred to
the next Council we were having a
briefing for the next Council we're just
saying that the decision is being
deferred which means it can be brought
back anytime that lead up to the next to
the budget this year I wanted to make it
very clear that it's not part of the
budget for
2425 and that a briefing then be
provided to the to the next Council
on the M I'm happy for that to happen
whenever and I think that's sensible
but I just think we need to make it very
clear or vote on the original
resolution of about down and then have
have a briefing as a separate motion but
it just wasn't clear to me that the
defer when the deferral would take
effect I understand why you would feel
that way counselor but I think the
discussion and why the deferral came
into play in in the first place was to
ensure that there was no briefing that
was held prior to the end of the
financial year that could influence the
20242
outcome that's what the deferral was
about in the first place that's why I
asked for it to be brought
forward so I'm now seeking your your
instruction counselor L do you wish to
pursue a formal a formal amend
M there's going to be a second ofor I
think we need to be absolutely crystal
clear but is that you so you do seek a
formal Amendment and do I have a
second okay Council Copley is a second
of the formal Amendment uh do I have any
speakers against the formal Amendment so
the formal amendment is to further
clarify that Council does not
reinstate the outdoor dining and retails
for outdoor does not reinstate fee
for the outdoor dining and retail space
for 2425 and defers this item to seek a
briefing on this for later yeah
councelor Dar thank you Madame mayor
I'm I'm I'm just baffled why we have to
keep deferring things that we seem to go
over in in our Tuesday workshops and our
Thursday workshops and other
Communications that should be Crystal
Clear what's already happening what's
already being spent and what we could be
making it just keeps happening week
after week why do we have to defer I
am not supporting the amendment because
I think that if we were to start this
these fee charges on the first uh of
the calendar year we need to actually
sort of get this done now
thank you thank you before I go to C
Boyd I just need to check in with the
CEO to get some
clarification around the the idea
that retail space is not being charged
for or is being charged for can we have
some clarity on that thank you yeah so
currently uh the only fee that is waved
is outdoor dining fees the fees that are
related to outdoor retail so clothes
racks Etc are currently charged so the
alternate or the amendment as proposed
would remove by
which is a further reduction so if
it's retained the status quo then it
would read fees for outdoor dining for
the 2425 budget and and the remainder so
councilor L understanding that that then
is a further negative impact on
council's budget by inserting the word
retail do you wish to amend your
Amendment before your Amendment is
becomes business sorry is voted
Ono I think it just say you're outdoor
dining public foot path anual Fe that's
what I wanted back we're
not get rid of the retail space thank
you thank you for the clarity on that
and now I'm going to go to councelor
Boyd and then I'll go to councelor
gray I just wanted to point that out
too that we're currently charging for
the outdoor retail space and we would
lose that if we went with that thanks
counil the amendment as it was
originally great that's fine thank
you thank you yeah councelor gray did
you wish thank you through you Madame
mayor to director McIntyre if we do go
to another briefing about this can we
please have some examples and I'm
specifically thinking of Barry and
huskerson places where we see people
spilling out onto tables in in arcades
we know that that's got extra rubbish
that go into our bins and we bear the
cost of that no cost to the
retailer they are actually getting this
space for
free if we are to show leadership in
this space and we know OGG have got the
microscope on us it's probably time that
we show some political bravery and vote
for what's right since 2009 there's been
none and the cost is very minimal and as
we hear a tax deduction so coun
director McIntyre if we do for heaven
forbid go to a briefing please give us
some examples of how much for example
milkwood would pay in Berry for theirs
thank you thank you
okay question from councelor Darth mad
director
McIntyre the fees uh currently when you
have outdoor dining somebody has an
accident over a
chair how legally does that play out
because are we covering the business's
liab I know I have liability in my shop
but does it cover Council land for
something a closed rack that somebody
chps over just a quick clarification
quick she says thank you through mad
sorry car sorry through Mad May
ordinarily the trader will have their
own public liability insurance which
they
carry which extends out to council land
correct sorry as an example with my
business I put out stock to the right of
my door because there is a water main
that sticks up in the middle of nowhere
next to a car park and there is also a
telra uh post that s up so I actually
cover the side of that from the car park
to the side of my business so people
don't trip over the water main or the
telra uh thing or the lip of the car
park coming in uh from there now I'm
wondering how my insurance company would
feel if they tripped over your water M
with my rack next to it so I mean
there's a lot of confusion so I think if
we have to go to another briefing could
you please just maybe
bring Liability Insurance liability into
it and also
maybe I'm going to leave it at that yeah
CU I think that's really important to
see who's actually liable for those
sorts of things okay good okay so now I
have to remember where we're up to in
the meeting and we are now up to we have
an amendment from councilor L that's
before us that needs to be voted on
before we go back to the substantive
motion
councelor norrris would you like a
write a reply at this
point great thank you sorry folks didn't
expect this one to go where it went
maybe I should
off I will just acknowledge JMA tribe
and her contributions from uh the
deputation tonight and also uh from the
se Sega meeting sorry SE meeting I was
able to attend the other day where this
was also mentioned just to
acknowledge councilor Darth that it's
also Newcastle as well as Sydney a
couple of other councils are waving them
at this time as well this was sort of
where I was headed for with my original
Amendment which was to look at zonings
and options like that because we do have
tourist towns that do get big influxes
of sydneys Siders and wherever else they
come from and come in debt and come to
our region cuz it's the best region in
the world they come here and they use
our facilities and so this is why the
zoning came into it because N I probably
wouldn't get the same foot traffic that
husk and Berry and alala might get
during the tourist season so this is
where the zoning came into it for my
perspective I acknowledge councelor
coply it's a cost on business but as I
remember from last time I brought this
up uh it's a tax it's a tax write off
for business so they can write this off
on their tax returns so I I don't reject
entirely that this is the impulse but I
do say that if it was to go in any other
LGA around the state where they do
charge it wouldn't fly here in Shell
Haven so I'm just making that clear I I
totally support business and I want to
be on their side with this but we have
been giving them a free run for 15 years
it's time we stepped in line with what
our community said and our community
said look at your books I've looked at
the books and I'm not happy that this
money is going out the door down the
drain because we need to be as in
alignment with the other councils around
us such as k yadala that's where my
thinking is on this we need to be in
alignment with our
neighbors and if I could just quote
the one uh if I could quite a poor Kelly
song from Little Things big things grow
it is by having a small table and chair
out the front of someone's business that
they go that's really good and I can
have another table and chair and another
and so it grows the business it is good
for our economy to have this sort of
thing but nothing in life is free we've
got to pay for what we what we use I
don't go and rent a house and it's free
got to write off I've got to pay for it
so we need to be in line with this as a
business thank you thanks so councilors
here's what I'm going to do I'm going to
put the amendment to the vote and if the
amendment is successful it will become
the substantive and then I'm going to go
straight to the vote for the substantive
because we've spent quite a while on
this so for the first vote being for the
amendment that Council determines not
to reinstate I'll check in councelor
Kristen and councelor Watson do you
support the
amendment that's a no from councelor
Kristen and a yes to the amendment from
councelor Watson is that correct
councelor
Watson yep okay
locked and loaded great okay so the
amendment has failed and does not become
the substantive we will now return to
the substantive motion
and we'll just get our vote
reset and the substantive motion now
being that Council holds a briefing
sorry defers the item and then seeks a
briefing for the incoming
Council yep we're all clear on
that I'm now going to put that vote
councelor Kristen and councelor Watson
councelor Christen does not support that
councelor Watson do you yes yes that's
an affirmative from councelor
Watson all votes are
in and the motion as put by councelor
Norris and councelor white is
carried councilors guess what you've
made it to the end of financial
sustainability monthly report well done
we didn't defer it that's
great and that takes us to the next item
on the agenda which was we're going to
the back of the agenda now to the notice
of motion with councelor white on the
handheld
defibrator yes I'm happy to move the
recommendation that I've put up the
notice of motion and this is a really
important thing that we're going to
do in I think for the community of
the Sha Haven if not the South Coast
so I do know that there there are some
portable defibrillators here if
anybody wishes to have a look at them
this was first introduced the first time
that I heard about it was at the berry
For a couple of weeks ago where
there was a whole demonstration of
them and uh there's a new uh if we
purchase if we if communities purchase
10 through a through a uh a code
not direct from the manufacturer
then uh there will be a free one given
to a community organization across the
Sha Haven we've also I've also put in
here that we actually tell our ccbs and
until do some information sharing on
these devices because when I've been out
and about after I saw it at Barry and
I've spoken to people have they seen
these they said no but I'd be very
interested in purchasing one so it's a
way that we can move this out into
the community and we can get
defibrillators out there also if
we need further reports back to council
so I do know there's procurement rules
around how we purchase things with the
sh Haven but what I'm saying is that you
investigate and consider because we
currently have purchased seven of them
and we have I understand those seven are
in some work vehicles and if we get
to 10 after we've Tri them or
whatever we'll then get a free one for
the community I had an incident
which I've reported only last Monday
Monday week last where uh councilor Boyd
and I were at the Civic Center and they
asked for a defibrillator because
somebody had a suspected heart attack
and we couldn't even tell them where it
was in the Civic Center when they went
looking for it so I've spoken to miss L
about that and we're going to change a
few of the procedures so people know
where they actually are so they were
people scaring through the Civic Center
looking we were downstairs looking for
the defibrillator so I think it's
really important I think it's really
important that the community know that
they can actually purchase these things
and keep it in their car or keep it
at their house or at a facility take
it to a meeting if they're going to
meetings or whatever take it to the
beach because you never know when it's
going to happen so I'm hoping that
Council can participate in this and we
can get as many free ones out to the
community as can be purchased I don't
know do you want to counselors want to
have a look at it we can do that at
another time councel we've got a lot of
business to get through and there's
an opportunity for uh for you to call
for that to come to one of the briefings
as a presentation we've got I've got
two lights on but I want to ask is
anybody going to speak against and if
anyone's not speaking against can I ask
the two that uh two lights that are
on did you say you've got an amendment
councilor a suggestion
yep councilor L if you're going to speak
just to it can I get councelor copy to
go first for the suggestion please thank
you Madame May sorry this just occurs to
me that as we're wanting this to become
known in our communities and the
availabilities or the potential use and
sourcing of this defibrillator it might
be an ideal thing to put on our digital
Community notice boards out in all of
our Villages you know if you're
interested in finding out more about
acquiring some of these contact blah and
I think that would just be a good way
of getting out the information about the
availability I mean I didn't know about
these up until Barry for either so I
would asse that there is a lot of
people out there that don't know that
there is something this small available
and it might be a good community service
announcement that we could add into our
digital notice boards and I'll I'll
be guided by the CEO at that point if
it's if it's if it's appropriate okay
that's the
suggestion councelor L I'm going to go
to councelor L first and then I'll come
back to councelor Darth thank you thanks
M may very pleased to be adding my
name to this motion tonight and I just
want to acknowledge the uh great Chan
superior team we have here with us
tonight who've been working
studiously to raise money uh for this
and so many other Great Courses across
our community I've had the opportunity
to see these devices I've heard some
stories about people who've had their
lives save frankly from having this
available so it's great to see
Council have already been
investigating this that we've acquired
some devices already and yeah I just
want to see this uptake increase uh and
we can get yeah more promotion
information out of the community but
yeah very well done to the team for
coming tonight and for advocating for
this important issue thanks councilor
Dar councilor Darth you still oh sorry
that's okay thanks Madame mayor
defi lators are amazing theyve saved
so many lives and I am certainly not
against them in any way what I am
questioning though is this seems like a
flyby scheme where we are beholden to
buy so many defibs through one company
and then they give us a freebie are
we able to investigate that there may be
another company uh that that counts or
could maybe wholesale buy cheaper
wholesale 10 Lots and maybe get 12 for
the same amount like it just it seems
like a bit of
a a scheme yeah so that will be
addressed in the report back from the
CEO okay yeah oh and sorry Patric
Patricia the uh the cell AE D is that
the name of the company just to do some
research and on is it cell a d correct
yeah name is rapid response Revival
rapid response Revival proprietary
product yeah okay councilors any further
discussion no councilor white do you
wish have WR a reply no then I will
put the motion are there any dissenting
voices councilors Watson and councelor
Kristen you're
fine yep great got smiles and nods so
that's great so that one's carried
unanimously then the final piece of
work that has been brought forward
before we go back to the beginning is
the question on notice councilor gray
you had an amendment to make to the
question yes madame mayor I do and I
want to also thank David Krauss for
his deputation before we go much further
I'd like two amendments if
possible questions on notice so yeah yep
just add them in nber five will
be werey local AB original land Council
which we know Jinger
notified see as this is Heritage listed
and nber six which is even more
important given this is critically
endangered slow down for a second so we
the local Jinger land Council Jinger
notified yep and nber six given that
this is critically endangered
rainforest what remediation are we going
to do as per the deputy today
for the weeds which will inevitably come
in on Wheels of cars Etc in this
pristine area so I to yep can we just
get to that given that it's a critically
endangered rainforest what remediation
is
it will be done or rep you
know what steps will be in place to
safeguard this precious rainforest okay
so what so take REM Med out of what
will be done to
safeguard the rainforest
yeah and before I finish I just want to
thank the group for staying so long and
showing the support that you have and
its testimony to how strong our berry
land Care Group is so thank you right so
councilors given that that those are
questions on notice and those questions
on notice will generate a report back to
this space there's no further
discussion on that particular item so we
leave that one in OB bance and then we
return to the beginning of our business
paper where the next item is in regards
to the changes to Eric I know that
councelor white councelor Boyd have got
something to say on this as well but
I have an amendment to make to the
motion which will be a part four so I'm
going to move the
motion also seconded thank you and at
part
three page 18 it'll be appoint counselor
white as a nonvoting
member from 1 July and appoint councelor
Boyd as a non voting member alternate
from 1
July so any meetings of Eric in between
that means that the membership remains
unchanged cuz that's effective from the
1st of
July but there's a part
four and that the part four is that we
write to the state
government in regards to the cost
implications of the ongoing
reviews and
request a funding source for all
councils are you happy with that
councelor white yeah so councilors
you'll have read within the report
that each four years these these
these groups need to be uh to be
reviewed to make sure that they're up to
date with whatever current U legislation
that the New South Wale state government
cares to lp on councils and that
that review is going to take you know
$30 to $40,000 that is currently
unfunded
and that will be unfunded for all New
South Wales local government bodies
and I think that it's another unfair
cost shift to local government and I
think that there should be some
compensation given to uh local councils
in in that respect is there any further
discussion councilors on this particular
motion Council white yeah I'd just like
to thank I'm sorry say that I'm
appreciative that the regulations have
finally come out this has been hanging
around for quite a long nber of years
waiting for the regulations to come
out from the office of local government
so I'm glad that they're now come out
and that we are moving forward I
agree 100% with you that the cost
shifting on audit committies now has
come across from uh the state
government every four years and it's
interesting if you go back to the
history of the audit committee on shell
Haven city council the audit
committee has been around for a long
time it used to be voluntary that you
had one not all councils had to have
them in New South Wales and then they
changed it I'm pretty sure I'm thinking
it the changes came out just before
the change of government and we've been
waiting for years for the regulations as
to actually how they were going to
operate so I'm appreciative it's got to
this stage but I agree that we need to
chase the government for some funding
on these audit committees to actually
make sure that it's paid we pay all
of our independent members a fee an
annual fee for the audit committee so
I think that it's about time that the
government started to give us some money
back for it thanks for your support
councilor white any further discussion
councilors there being no further
discussion and there's no dissenting
voices I'll put that motion are there
any dissenting
voices there being none then that motion
is carried thank
you councilors that takes us to CL
2474 on page 34 which is the quarterly
performance report for October
December councilor
Wells yes I'll move the report but
uh I do have a question in relation to
uh the matter raised on page 41
Financial assistant grants internal
restriction being
utilized
no the reserve had a balance of
7.4 December was reduced using the [ __ ]
Grant which is unrestricted cash
reserves but the report then goes on to
say that an additional 1.8 has been
funded through other internal reserves
as reported on page 56 of attachment to
could you indicate to me
please Madam
C which of the which of the reserves
on page 56 will use to find that 1.8
million thank you councilor Wells I'll
second the
report I'll ask Katie to uh respond to
that question Council Wells thank you uh
through you Madame mayor as per on the
attachment we note the internal
reserves that have been used a mark with
an asteris so if you look at the table
below we've tagged the cemeteries
Reserve Coastal management the
communications Tower the critical
assets compliance dog off leash Economic
Development projects the financial
assistance grant as we referred to above
uh in general insurance so there were
little bits and pieces taken from each
of those reserves to top it up I thank
you uh that's a very satisfactory answer
and I very pleased that it's coming out
of the U internally restricted not the
externally restricted
uh funds thank
you Council
kotash thank you very much mayor
Finley I have some questions to ask of
Katie probably through you
uh CEO Katie in the report on page 41
you mentioned that there are some times
where council is down ready cach why is
that what what do we do with our ready
cach that means we don't have
it in the paper page 41 I'm specifically
referring to to restore unrestricted
cash back to NE the financial assistant
grants internal restriction was utilized
this Reserve has a balance etc etc
conversations have continued with
transport for New South Wales and
reconstruction Authority regarding
disaster funding so what what happens
there that gives us a problem uh so
there's two key areas that have a
drain on our Surplus cash keeping in
mind that our Surplus or our
unrestricted cash is quite minimal
but the grants in advance so if we
receive funding from a grant body and
we are required to spend that money in
advance of payment then we need a
funding source for that so the two
key ones that impacted us at 30 June
last year was natural disaster funding
and that's a significant drain on our
resources if we aren't cash flow
positive and the other other grants that
Council has been successful in the
reference to transport for New South
Wales is specifically for the natural
disaster element because if we do not
stay cashlow positive in that space that
can have a detrimental impact the
grants that are non Disaster Recovery
related they are starting to shrink
we are introducing policies and
compliance around our appetite in taking
on new Grant projects and being more
active in the space of uh negotiating
the terms and conditions of future
grants that we do
receive supplementary can thank you
again through the C to you Katie what
has been the most amount of money that
we've been down in that we've add in
pots that we've had to pay from our
ready cash to to cover those grants y
so having only joined Council last May
30 June last year is the highest
balance that I've seen where we were $35
million spent in advance so that was a
combination of disaster as well as
other grants and it was split about
50/50 so that was disclosed in our
annual financial statements in terms of
what that impact was and what that did
to our internal restrictions so at that
point we had to utilize our internal
reserves in accordance with our
liquidity contingency plan to ensure
that we weren't touching any of our
externally restricted cash at that point
in time so now that we are cash flow
positive with natural disasters that's
made a big impact and we're also only
sitting on as the report explains around
sort of 8 to 10 million in general fund
grants spent in advance at any point in
time compared to it was about 17 million
last 30 June and a
further is it the case that council
did ask for some of that funding to come
forward a bit from the feds and from the
state government and they complied with
that and were able to move some of that
funding to us a bit earlier than might
have been the case uh so is your
reference in terms of natural disaster
funding yes that is correct so Council
made contact with uh reconstruction
Authority and transport sort of around
September last year and we did uh
negotiate with them the ability to have
a cash flow positive Arrangement I
do note it requires me to reach out to
them to tell them we need a top up
however both departments have been very
forthcoming and working with us to
ensure that we do stay cash flow
positive for natural disaster work thank
you further questions
councilors no I just checking in with
our online participants this evening no
thank you councilors I just want to
make some comments and some of these
comments refer to the earlier debate
and in the earlier debate we
discussed the Quant of funds that
council could gather from outdoor dining
and that when we talked about those
Quant of funds that they were
considered by some to be of a of a minor
amount in a very large budget I'm just
going to wait till the ation finished
over
there have you finished thank you have
you no I haven't my job is to continue
the meeting and if you're not happy
about that then the door is there and is
open for you thank very rude thank you
very much so when we talked earlier
about the fact that there was $40,000
would be you know of little consequence
and I just put the brackets around that
I hope that in reviewing the the
docents that are before you this
evening that you can see that an
enormous amount of work has been gone
into moving small amounts from other
projects in order to make our budgets
balance when when we talk also about
small amounts From Here There and
Everywhere whether that would be through
the community donations or otherwise
you know those questions around the fact
that if you're balancing and I just
would put that back to the the analogy
of the home or the business and if
you're looking for other savings you
know if you've accidentally subscribed
and spend you know an extra $5 a month
on your audible account or you've
subscribed accidentally to some podcast
or to Netflix or to you know whatever
Myriad of things that you can purchase
these days you can even purchase online
through games I believe believe and I
know that kids have gone home to their
parents and gone mom we've just racked
up you know $500 on your credit card
because we've been purchasing weird
things in games you know when you're
trying to re in a budget you know you
find money from wherever that money
needs to come from and that has been the
challenge and to Katie and the team I
just want to say congratulations on
taking that
challenge and making it work for the
people who are sitting around the table
and for the whole team because without
the exemplary work that you and the team
have done we wouldn't be sitting here
today I have no doubt about that there
would have been a knock on the door and
a notice put on the door a long time ago
from the office of local government so I
I really didn't want another meeting go
past without acknowledging the
outstanding work that goes on behind the
scenes that the 13 people who are
elected and make decision
on rarely see the minua of the work that
needs to be done but that every single
part of those tasks is extraordinarily
important to deliver the place where we
are today so I really want to thank you
I know that as we go through the
challenge you know the other challenge
that we had this evening has been around
the sanctuary Point library and the
strategy for libraries and in reading
the quarterly report you know my mind
was turned to you know a nber of years
ago when it was the collective people
then who ignored a sound strategy to
expand the bay Basin Leisure Center to
build a library there because I feel
that if that strategy had been adhered
to that we wouldn't have had to have
some of the conversations tonight
because we would have been partway
through a new build at Bay Bas Leisure
Center which would have included a libr
for the people of that area and that
would have been a better situation than
where we are now which is postponing all
of those projects into the future so I
just hope that this Collective group
of counselors can continue to make
some decisions that are going to be
useful what I'm hoping that we can also
thre see through the monthly Financial
sustainability reports is you know how
whenever community ities go out and they
want to raise money for something and
there's like a little Target and our
Target's like25 $30 million and that
maybe we need to have a little Target in
each of our reports when they come back
I know that sounds a little bit silly
but what it's telling us is that
every single action that we take is
valuing the work that Katie and the team
are doing and it's culative to
Bringing Down the issues that are in
front of us and that it is not a
shopping list that is you know that
we can just continue to pick and choose
from that there's you know quite a lot
of stuff and quite a lot of actions that
are on that list councilor Wells did
you wish to have a wrer reply thank you
so with that councilors then I'll put
that motion are there any dissenting
voices there being none then the motion
is carried thank
you speaking of Library plans the next
item is 2479 on page 66 counselor gray
that one was with
you thank you I'm just just want to ask
if I can
uh Jane a question about libraries or
director Lewis in
that I have had a phone call in the last
three days to tell me that narrow
library is leaking and leaking on our
computers and at times people are ankled
Deep in water is this the case and if so
how can we maintain our libraries in the
face of the tough fiscal environment
that we're in at the
moment thank you and councelor gray are
you moving the motion as well yeah thank
you and a second please thanks councelor
Wells thank you director
Lewis through you Madame mayor thank you
for that question counselor it is
unfortunate that we do have leaks in the
roof at narrow Library there have been a
nber of attempts in past years years
to address those leaks however once we
sh at one another one Springs up the
most recent rainfalls have caused a
nber of of concerns and it has
impacted access to our Public Access
uh computers and also the scanning
equipment the staff have worked
collaborative with with colleagues
and other part of the organization to
address the issue and arrange for
dehidifiers and for the carpets to
be cleaned over the weekend end we're
also reconsidering the layout of the
library so that we can attempt to uh
mitigate and reduce the incidence of
damage to those pieces of equipment
also rearrange the layout for the
DVDs and and and certain books it is
unfortunate and uh and perhaps we will
rearrange and the leaks will spring in a
different direction because the wind's
in a different direction but the staff
are doing all they can to mitigate this
unfortunate situation
any further questions to U Miss Lewis
about the
report none then I'll put the motion are
there any dissenting voices sorry
councelor Kristen I apologize councelor
Kristen thank you yeah sorry sorry m m
to hold things up but I just like to
thank the staff again for the
Strategic plan and I do not in the
report you know the funding needs to
implement this fan plan properly from
the very basics of books and audio
Services Library equipment and
Furniture to the important idea
element of the plan which is another
mobile van which I think would be
really useful important to allow
Equitable access across our very
spread out sh Haven to to allow
people to be able to access the library
services so i' just like to remind
all counselors that we we do need to
support the library in in delivering the
Strategic plan Beyond the discussion
of this Sanctuary Point library and I
do congratulate staff on the plan and
very much support the idea of adding
additional mobile services thank
you thank you councelor question and no
need to apologize I just didn't look
right and get you into the discussion
quick enough so any further
discussion points
councilors there being none then I'll
put the motion are there any dissenting
voices there are none and the motion is
carried councilor white the next one is
with you which is CL
248 the community well-being Grant
outcomes on page 71 yes I'm happy to
move the recommendation and I want to
thank all of the staff and all of the
people who were involved in assessing
the grant applications that were sent
to council but I just wanted to point
out that we had 39 applications totaling
$133,000 and we allocated we only had
$330,000 to allocate so it just
demonstrates the needs out there in the
community for for assistance under
Grant programs Etc and I went through
the the attachment where all of the
grants were put into that attachment
what they came in who they came by and
what they were for and they were all
worthy of funding but we only had
30,000 to give out so I congratulate
those programs that we are going to fund
and again thank the staff for the hard
work that they've had to do to get to
that nber of applications and the
amount that we had to spend thank you so
that's been moved by councel white
seconded by councelor Wells councelor
Christen yes Madam I'm happy to Second
this uh and uh I very much support what
uh councelor w has said and I thought
the projects were very worthwhile you
know ranging from women and youth
Suicide Prevention homelessness and so
on but as councilor white
mentioned I think very disappointed that
only only partial funding could be given
to many of those projects and I think
it indicates that there is a great
amount of demand for support in the
community a great deal of work is done
by voluntary organizations and as we've
heard from from from the speakers
earlier it's provides a great deal of
benefit back to the community in so many
ways not just a dollar value way and
I'm I'm I'm pretty disheartened in a
sense that Council finds itself in the
financial position it is in that you
know we do not have any Regal room to
further support these organizations but
I really do wish them well and and
thank them for their work thanks
councelor Kristen any further discussion
councilors
if there's none then I'll put the motion
any dissenting voices there being none
then the motion is carried thank
you thank you so I have councelor wells
moving us into confidential seconded by
councelor kotash before I put that to
the vote I need to ask the CEO is the
CEO aware of any reasons why we should
not move into
confidential uh not aware of any reasons
but I did want to highlight that uh in
relation to deputations one member of
the public made a request to make a
representation this was declined uh by
me as the CEO under section
14.12 of the code of meeting practice uh
Council has already resolved to consider
a confidential report on this matter
when the recommendation on the public
report was resolved at the last ordinary
meeting as per minute
24113 thank you thank you okay so
councils will put that to the vote is
there any dissenting voices that we go
to confidential there being none then
that is
carried
and relating to minute
22.1 149c allocate limited contingency
funding as referenced in the report in
the 2223 budget to support the sdfa
project with any funding to be made
available to the sdfa on presentation of
clear evidence supporting the request
adopted at the council meeting held
Monday 21 February
2022 decline the request from Sha Haven
District Football Association for
Council to provide a co-contribution of
$123,000
for their efforts in updating the ice
and park facility at South Nara next uh
C 2488 Bob proud foot Pavilion tender
and project update so Council in
accordance with the section 1781 B of
the regulations declined to accept any
tender for the construction of Bob proud
proudfoot Pavilion Francis Ryan Reserve
Sanctuary Point as tender tenders were
higher than the available budget the
lowest conforming tender exceeded the
remaining project budget by
$1,411
19975 for Hall of Works direct the CEO
or director of City Lifestyles to
proceed with
negotiations with the New South Wales
government stronger communities fund
round four to repurpose the funding of
the grant deed to deliver other projects
that align with the objectives of the
stronger communities fund program and
finally in relation to the indust
industrial land repurchase CL CCL
24.6 the council extend the buyback
terms for trch one lowrisk properties
and that Council rights to the land
owners of employment land from Tran one
are offering sorry it's scrolling up too
fast SC scrolling uh offering a 12-month
extension to the buyback terms 115 Tom
Thb Avenue South NAA lot 93
dp10
77878
nber two mus four muscle Court husk
Lot 23 dp1 1265
789 Three Corner Duran bar drive and
muscle Port huskerson Lot 24 dp1 1265
789 and that Council removes the caveat
on the following employment land and
discontinues any repurchase of nber
one lot 9 Tom Th Avenue South Nara lot
D 92 DP
10778 78 uh Corner Cberland Avenue and
trim Street South Nara lot D lot 103
dp19
6630 nber three Gadi Street yuong Lot
21 DP
1194 689 bunder Street Yong lot 11
dp19
4151 and bunder Street Yong Lot 12 dp1
9151 the council receives a report back
at the conclusion of the buyback term
detailing any future action required if
any that any future employment land is
sold without any restriction as to use
or compulsion to complete building Works
within a specified time frame and future
employment land is sold for not less
than an independent Market valuation and
the council's employment land industrial
land policy be developed to reflect the
above mentioned
resolutions thank you all for your
attendance this evening and I'll see you
back here in a
fortnite meeting
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