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standing this evening counselors on

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Monday the 12th of August there's the

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penultimate meeting of this group of

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counselors the class of December 2021

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who have served their Community

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faithfully for the last 2 years and

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eight months  with another month to go

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in rising this evening there are a

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number of counselors also who and

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there's a couple who are not able to

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make it this evening  and they are

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apologies but in rising this evening and

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to open this meeting and in

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acknowledging country what I would like

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to do this evening is to acknowledge all

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of the Aboriginal elders and communities

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all the land councils that I have had

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the great pleasure of working with over

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the last 16 years I've been welcomed to

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many land councils during this time and

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I have watched with great joy  the

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transmission of knowledge from one

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generation to another generation to

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today's leaders and I know that some of

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today's leaders are in the room with us

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and that relationship that we when we

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open our hearts and create those

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relationships with other people within

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our community what we get are wise

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wisdom words and it's those words of

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wisdom that I've been able to receive

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from our Aboriginal Elders over the years

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that have really helped me to understand

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the impacts that colonization has had on

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people here in the Shoalhaven and 

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continued to happen today and with that I

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also then want to acknowledge that those

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Elders that are no longer with us the

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Elders of the past  were the full

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frontal of all of those impacts and that

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that intergenerational trauma is still

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with people today I welcome all

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Aboriginal people who are here with

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us today and thank you for your

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continued strength and resilience your

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fight for Country your fight for rights

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your fight for freedom

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thank you can we now please take a

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moment of silence

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Australians all let us rejoice 

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for we are one and free

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with golden soil and wealth for toil

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our home is girt by sea

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our land abounds in nature's gifts 

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of beauty rich and rare

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 in history's page let every stage 

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Advance Australia Fair

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in joyful strains and let us sing 

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Advance Australia Fair

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please be seated

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councilor Wells can I get a sound check

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from you

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please good evening everyone lovely

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thank

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you so councilors I think we had the

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only one apology this evening then from

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councelor

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Kitchener can I have someone move the

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apologies please thank you councelor

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White seconded by councel Kotlash any

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descent they're being  then that's

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carried can I have someone please

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confirm the minutes thank you councelor

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Norris seconded by councelor Kotlash any

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desent in the minutes being received there

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being none then that is carried are

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there any Declarations of Interest

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councilors none should any arise we'll

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deal with that as we need to any

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petitions this evening thank you

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councelor Ell and then councelor

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Copley thank you madam mayor  I'm

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pleased to present a petition with close

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to 700 signatures on it tonight 698 to

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be precise to build the new ammenities

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 block for the Milton Rugby League

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Football Club to the mayor counselors

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and chief executive officer of Shoalhaven

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city council we the undersigned support

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the construction of the new amenities

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facility at Bill Andriske Oval Mollymook Beach

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we note the current unacceptable state

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of the existing amenities at Bill Andriske

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Oval including the lack of appropriate

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facilities for female players and the

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grant received by the Milton Ulladulla

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Rugby League Football Club supported by

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Shoalhaven City Council to fund the

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construction of the new change rooms

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toilets and accessible facilities for

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players and visitors to the oval we

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then support the Milton Ulladulla

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Rugby League Football Club and call on

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Shoalhaven city council to support and

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assist the Milton Ulladulla Rugby League

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Football Club construct the new ammenity

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block to provide safe adequate

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facilities for male and female players

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and visitors thank you thank you

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councilor Copley thank you Madame mayor

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I'm pleased to present a petition for

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from the community for uper 571

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signatures supporting the Bombaderry

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Nowra Alliance in their attempt to secure the

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third gate building where the

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undersigned strongly support the Bombaderry

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Nowra Alliance in their quest to secure

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the unoccupied buildings at Thurgate

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Oval Bombaderry which is owned by Shoalhaven

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City Council Bombaderry  Alliance has been

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requesting assistance from Shoalhaven

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City Council for over seven years to

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gain a place for storage of their

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catering caravan  truck and other items

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required by the Lions Club to conduct

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their routine business to support the

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valued community of the Shoalhaven I'm

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pleased to present this petition Madame

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mayor thank you Councilor Copley

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so councilors that takes us to the mayoral

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minutes this evening and the first

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minute that's before you is a farewell

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and thank you from myself to the council

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staff as 16 years of  Council draws to

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a close I think it's important to

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acknowledge the workforce here at Shoalhaven

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city council every single person

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who works for this organization is a

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vital part of the functioning of this

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city every single one during the years

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I've met many staff and equally there

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are people who have only crossed paths

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with once I've always found our people

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our Shoalhaven people to be enthusiastic

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genuinely proud of the work that they've

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done and or are doing and appreciative

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of the place that they work and call

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home since 2019 it's been a particularly

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trying time with so many natural

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disasters and what many don't understand

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is that Shoalhaven staff are often

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personally impacted by disasters while

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simultaneously having to respond to them

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it's tiring emotionally draining and the

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fact that so many people who have

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continued to work tirelessly is a

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testament to the staff's inner strength

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our city is a changing and challenging

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place and the people are one of our

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greatest assets without you and your

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intimate knowledge of how things

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function and who is best place to

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respond we would be much diminished

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there is nothing basic about what you do

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and when I do get the opportunity I say

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that the Shoalhaven provides services for

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people from the cradle to the grave

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people is often give me a quizzical look

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when I say that but then I explain to

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them that babies are bathed in water

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provided by Council toddlers read to 

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by our librarians young kids enjoying

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the parks and gardens teenagers playing

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at sporting fields parents and well

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everyone really using roads and footpaths

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and Elders enjoying our

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entertainment center people learning to

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swim migrants becoming tourists sorry

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migrants becoming citizens, tourists

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making memories in holiday parks and

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when our life expires we may even use

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our funeral services I know I've have

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missed something in that list in that

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and it's not a very comprehensive one

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but you get my drift and the services

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that are offered by Shoalhaven city

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council are

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expansive behind every outward facing

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function there are support people making

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it easier or more comfortable for others

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to do their work work that will never

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ever be finished my pet dislike is 

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people raging on Council workers and

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like you I also dislike people thinking

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it's okay that when you're out and about

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enjoying life to launch on a good good

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old belly ache on you   you all have the

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very very much the right to say not

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today here's my work number and stand to

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tall and know the value of your

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contributions thank you for the years of

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working together through the thick and

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the thin I will look back on these days

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and these years with much fondness for

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all of the people of the Shoalhaven but

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in particular the staff here at

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Shoalhaven city council that I've had the

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pleasure of working with on many many

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constructive things

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I am proud of you I am proud of the work

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that we've done together I'm proud to

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call the Shoalhaven home can I

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have a second of please councelor

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Christen would you like to speak to the

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motion Madam mayor just like to echo

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your words and thanks to the staff at

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every level and you've put it so

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beautifully and I'd just like to add

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thanks for your leadership in that time

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thank you any further discussion

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councilors on the Mayoral minute thank you

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councilor

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Norris just to stand and rise and stand

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and thank you for your comments Amanda

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but also thank you for your service to

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this city we have we're indebted to you

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for your service it's been great to work

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alongside you for these past two years

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and nine months so thank you for that

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thank you councelor Norris councelor

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Kotlash have to get in on the act I

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mentioned a bit earlier on today that

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there's something about you chairing a

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meeting that I find a little bit

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intimidating a little bit standoffish

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a little bit uncertain a little bit fun

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some of the time so when I come into the

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chamber it's like you never really know

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what you're going to get it's always an

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adventure and I've got you to thank for

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that thank you very much  a box of

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chocolates

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councelor Boyd 

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? ? and likewise Madame

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mayor I'd like to say probably some of

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the words I said earlier that leadership

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is not easy when things are going tough

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to endure 15 natural disasters in 5

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years and still be a leader that shines

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and smiles I want to thank you from the

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bottom of my heart so farewell and let's

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 hope for a great future for you thank

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you councilors can I just put the the

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thank thank you minute now and if

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there's any dissenting voices let them

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be heard there being none then that is

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carried thank you uh councilors the next

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one's are caps on short-term rental

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accommodation in new residential

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subdivisions I see a second for this one

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thank you councelor

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Kristen councilors this is for our new

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residential sub it relates to our new

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residential subdivisions and it's a

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strong request to ask the New South

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Wales government to release a detail on

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their proposed new regulatory framework

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 but also to consider for this Council

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to consider applying a cap of zero days

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for whole homes  and a hosted cap of

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180 days for all new significant

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residential subdivisions and resoning

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areas within the city as part of any

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response to the regulatory framework

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that will come out from uh from the

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government when they release their piece

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of work councilors I think that you

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would agree that any new subdivisions

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that we have this opportunity to make

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that change for the new subdivisions

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which should be primarily for the

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housing of the people of this city and

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not for the purpose of Tourism we've got

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plenty of  tourist hotspots that

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already have have reached saturation

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point we can pick out many of the

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villages along the coast some of those

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Villages have occupant as low as 20%

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other areas  as we discussed last week

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with  kalala had occupancies of you

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know 45% of people where they there

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wasn't a permanent resident living in

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those homes so if we can strive to make

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our new subdivisions places where

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families can live and work in the shaw

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Haven I think that that will be a much

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better outcome in the future although it

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does not close the door for hosted so if

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you've got  you know some people who

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have maybe got a spare room and they

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would like to rent a room to a

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struggling nurse or a doctor who might

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be visiting town then they've got that

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option to do it and maybe make them

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breakfast while they while they're there

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 I'll open that discussion thank you

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councilor l oh thanks M May I've

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actually got a point of order  we do

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have a deputy who's registered to speak

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on this issue Laurel Patton uh who did

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have some concerns about the

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recommendations so I would just like to

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I guess move a procedural motion that we

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invite the deputy to speak before we

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vote on this matter

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so councelor L that would have been an

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opportunity that we're into the debate

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now on this on this matter  we'll

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continue the debate on the matter and

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the procedural motion will lapse and we

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will hear from the deputy whenever we've

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got the deputy section of the pap so

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hearing from Deputy after we voted on a

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matter when they're making submissions

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on a matter which is information foroud

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benefit as council is that correct

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correct correct councelor that doesn't

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make any sense I would like to move a

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procedual motion that we invite to speak

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they're understood and  they've got an

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interest in speaking if they're here

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tonight y I understand that I've got the

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deputation list in front of me and we

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will deal with the deputation list when

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we get there I Mo we defer this matter

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until after the deputation S thank you

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the debate has already opened councilor

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I can still move procedural motion I no

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you cannot open a procedural motion when

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a motion is live the procedural motion

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lapses because it is not a valid part of

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meeting procedure at this point in time

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thank you councelor

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Kristen thank you madam mayor  thank

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you for putting up this uh mayor minute

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and I I have to say it's a very uh it's

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a it's a minimalist approach uh doesn't

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affect uh what anyone is doing now

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already it's  targeted at new

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subdivisions and significant ones at

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that and goes back to the original

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 aim of things like Airbnb of freeing

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up extra bedrooms and so on so that

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people could stay in them  which has

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now morphed into whole houses  being

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used for tourism and no longer being

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homes for families so I think this is uh

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very timely and allows uh people who do

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have extra space to make money from them

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but keeps those residential houses as

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homes which we will desperately need

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already

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and we'll need more of as our town uh

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City expands and I especially think of

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all the new staff we're going to we need

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for the new hospital around 800 we need

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to house them so it's really important

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that we do this and of course we do look

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forward to hearing back from the new

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South wal state government on what the

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broader plans for stas are thank you

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thank you going to go to our colleague

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online Council Wells I think we should

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just let the state what the state has to

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do and not get involved I think there's

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far too much government interference

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generally and Council in particular in

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people's individual property

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rights uh I think there's a housing

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Supply Cop Out by adopting measures like

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this and I see it as more socialist

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intrusion in people's Private Affairs so

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I'll be voting against it thank you

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Council well councelor

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wise say me I did yep thank you  look

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I have read this in detail and I have

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similar concerns as councelor Wells but

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I'll be voting against this because

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we've had somebody make application for

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a deputation we have not heard what

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they're going to say and yet council's

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going to make a decision prior to

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hearing from the community weer have I

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heard that

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before are there any further

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speakers I've got counc Darth thank you

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and then I'll come to you councelor L

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thank you madam mayor  I think we have

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heard from the community and we hear

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from them every single day when the

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homeless are calling out for somewhere

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to live  a room to put their children

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and themselves on a so for somewhere 

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I I used to do volunteer work for safe

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Waters I used to be a sleepover 

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coordinator sleeping in the safe Waters

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house I used to cook food for the

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homeless  weekly and I know hands on

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the ground feet on the ground  that

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there are so many people and the

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demographic for the homeless is changing

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it's changed from uh single  young

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male to middle-aged uh females with

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families  newly single mothers that we

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need to  look at our  development we

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need to be involved I disagree with John

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Wells in that we leave it to the state

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because the state isn't here in our

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towns

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so I councel Wales can you put your

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microphone on mute please or I'll do it

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from my end thank you I missed that but

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sounded funny so  I also  it was one

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of the first issues that I came across

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as a counselor and I remember reading 

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under James's Direction how Sunshine

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Coast had

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also come to an amazing

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 way to what's the word James

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can regulate regulate their 

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developments within within the Sunshine

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Coast so I actually encourage all

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counselors to go and read those papers

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that that were produced years ago was it

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three four years ago now  and also

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then go to Byron Bay but we we really do

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need to be involved in this this is

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something that we cannot hand over to

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the state or the federal because they

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are not here seeing it for themselves as

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we see it thank you thank you

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councilor

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L well I asked you to act reasonably

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Madam earlier and unfortunately  that

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fell on death ears but  much like

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Council white I can't support this

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motion tonight when we're basically

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making a mockery of the deputation

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process and procedures of this Council

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 people in good faith have registered

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to give a deputation of matters before

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the agenda  it was within your

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agreement as the chair to allow  that

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matter to be deferred simply the vote on

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that matter to hear from the deputy and

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I think it's very very disappointing

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that our last meeting of this term that

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we're denying a member of the community

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uh who's got information they want to

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share with councilors who followed the

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procedures to have the opportunity to

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speak so on that Bas I'll be voting

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against as well thank you Council

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BR Madame mayor although this only calls

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for a hurry up of a report and to

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consider I'd like to perhaps follow on

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from councilor L and councelor white is

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there any way I can move something so

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that the deputy can be heard just so

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that we have the respect respect and the

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show that we are listening to both sides

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is there any motion I can put forward

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right

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now and if so guide me or the CEO please

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guide me thanks

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SP

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oh

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so councilors can I  I'm going to ask

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this question of you now can I have a 

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a straw poll please you're familiar with

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the straw poll not a binding vote it's a

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sh of hands for those who would like to

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hear the deputation on this uh

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item okay great so then I am able to

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suspend this at this moment come back to

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it I've kept the speaking list so I know

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who will have spoken and who hasn't

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spoken to the item and then we will come

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back and we will conclude that piece of

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business if that is your

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desire so then councilors that takes us

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to the next minute which is a condolence

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motion to the Quinn sley and French

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families thank you councelor Copley 

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we're all very aware as a community that

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we've  had another Mass crash that has

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affected many within our community

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particularly in our Northern community

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and the tragic loss of three young lives

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and dare I say for the fourth young life

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as well as that  young person will

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never be the same again and this meril

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minute this evening is to pass our

00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:06.559
condol a condolence motion noting the

00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:08.759
tragic death of three young people at

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Taro on the 28th of July do I have any

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speakers to the

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motion there being none then I'll just

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put the motion there's no desending

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voices and that is carried  another

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condolence motion also  councilors

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being for uh Mr Terry snow am U many of

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the people within the room and within

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our Council are very familiar with Mr

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snow the amazing work that not only did

00:24:34.720 --> 00:24:37.599
he do at willinger Park but that he was

00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:41.319
able to fund through his business at CRA

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airport  Mr snow is well known in the

00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:48.000
community of boury Point  his wife

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Janette will miss him dearly I I I know

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that and as with their children Scarlet

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Tom Georgina and Steven I se a second

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for that thank you councelor L you wish

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to speak to what do you very briefly

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Madam May and I want to thank you very

00:25:01.200 --> 00:25:02.839
much for bringing this motion forward

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tonight and  I do absolutely  want

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to associate myself with your very fine

00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:10.200
words regarding the incredible Terry

00:25:10.279 --> 00:25:13.559
snow am who  whose loss is a great one

00:25:13.640 --> 00:25:15.519
that will be felt across many parts of

00:25:15.599 --> 00:25:17.680
our community and I know that he would

00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:21.079
have  really been delighted to see

00:25:21.160 --> 00:25:23.599
some of his horses competing in Paris 

00:25:23.680 --> 00:25:26.359
in the dress and the other venting 

00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:28.440
obviously the wi linger Park development

00:25:28.519 --> 00:25:29.799
and everything that has happened in that

00:25:29.880 --> 00:25:32.400
Precinct is an enduring Legacy to him

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and to Janette and to their whole family

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uh and as I say I just want to associate

00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:38.920
myself very strongly with the motion and

00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:40.880
 acknowledge the enormous contribution

00:25:40.960 --> 00:25:44.680
Mr snow made  to our community and

00:25:46.839 --> 00:25:49.720
Beyond thank you councilor

00:25:49.799 --> 00:25:52.519
Norris thanks so much and I was one of

00:25:52.599 --> 00:25:53.839
the people in our community who was not

00:25:53.920 --> 00:25:55.359
fortunate enough to have met Terry

00:25:55.440 --> 00:25:57.440
throughout his life but I did benefit

00:25:57.519 --> 00:25:58.839
greatly from Terry

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investments in our community Terry

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through the snow Foundation contributed

00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:06.440
to frr and F in collaboration with the

00:26:06.519 --> 00:26:08.519
Australian ryal Leadership Foundation

00:26:08.599 --> 00:26:10.440
has built leaders across the shell Haven

00:26:10.519 --> 00:26:13.160
through their programs I'm a proud ARF

00:26:13.240 --> 00:26:15.599
alni and have proudly benefited from

00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:17.720
the work put in by Terry and thank him

00:26:17.799 --> 00:26:19.480
for the service he contributed back to

00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:21.640
our community thank you thank you

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councelor

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Watson thank you for bringing matter

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forward Madam

00:26:30.440 --> 00:26:32.279
mayor Terry

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snow as most know is a the leas holder

00:26:36.480 --> 00:26:39.039
of the canar airport just as you

00:26:39.119 --> 00:26:41.279
identified but he made his money out of

00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:43.960
property development mostly in

00:26:44.039 --> 00:26:45.920
canumbera

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 a lot of people wouldn't re wouldn't

00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:51.359
realize but he set aside $100

00:26:51.440 --> 00:26:55.079
million as a charitable trust and that

00:26:55.160 --> 00:26:58.319
trust allocates uh money to needy causes

00:26:58.400 --> 00:27:00.799
every year apart from what he gives a

00:27:00.880 --> 00:27:02.359
away

00:27:02.440 --> 00:27:05.440
himself The Establishment that Terry

00:27:05.519 --> 00:27:07.400
built down at baly

00:27:07.480 --> 00:27:09.960
point is something that the city can be

00:27:10.039 --> 00:27:13.759
proud of in fact I doubt if there would

00:27:13.839 --> 00:27:16.680
be a a greater equestri facility

00:27:16.759 --> 00:27:18.880
anywhere in the world I think as you

00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:20.759
have identified yourself Madame mayor

00:27:20.839 --> 00:27:24.160
when you were at the aing of the uh

00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:27.039
facility down there for entertainment uh

00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:31.160
the when you think about what he did

00:27:31.240 --> 00:27:33.839
there and he didn't really start out to

00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:36.160
do it he bought that property

00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:38.519
originally to land his helicopter on

00:27:38.599 --> 00:27:40.599
when he flew down from

00:27:40.680 --> 00:27:43.000
canumbera some of the locals complained

00:27:43.079 --> 00:27:45.160
and I recall very well he came in to see

00:27:45.240 --> 00:27:49.119
me in 2022 and he said your

00:27:49.200 --> 00:27:52.799
staff want me to get an Airfield

00:27:52.880 --> 00:27:54.359
approved on my

00:27:54.440 --> 00:27:56.240
property it just happened that I

00:27:56.319 --> 00:27:58.599
happened to look read the uh

00:27:58.680 --> 00:28:02.559
the rules for landing helicopters on uh

00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:05.240
on rural land and he could Land There

00:28:05.319 --> 00:28:06.799
once or twice a month without the

00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:09.160
requirement I read the regulation out

00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:12.079
the staff they didn't appreciate it but

00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:15.640
uh Terry snow did and he and I've been

00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:17.559
friends ever since but

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Terry uh left has left a great legacy

00:28:21.279 --> 00:28:22.640
he's left a

00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:25.079
foundation there which employs many

00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:27.279
people in the KY buly Point area in the

00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:33.200
greater shell and also EUR bellaa so may

00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:36.200
Terry snow rest in peace and people in

00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:39.680
the future remember what he's

00:28:39.759 --> 00:28:43.440
given thank you councelor

00:28:43.519 --> 00:28:46.880
wat yes  thank you for your kind words

00:28:46.960 --> 00:28:50.160
about Terry  I was lucky enough to

00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:52.599
come into Terry's life and have many

00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:54.440
many conversations with him down at

00:28:54.519 --> 00:28:57.160
willinger Park  along with Alan bapst

00:28:57.240 --> 00:28:59.319
and others and we talked about

00:28:59.400 --> 00:29:01.599
everything we talked about from what

00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:03.920
Windows he put in his complexes down

00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:05.599
there to his swimming pool for his

00:29:05.680 --> 00:29:09.000
horses to the Veterinary Clinic Etc to

00:29:09.079 --> 00:29:12.480
his statues and I leared a terrible lot

00:29:12.559 --> 00:29:15.599
from Terry he was an Innovative man he

00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:18.279
was able and he was very Visionary he

00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:20.799
was able to tell you I'm going to do

00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:22.880
this and next thing you saw it in

00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:26.160
reality so he was very very Visionary

00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:28.160
and I appreciate all of his

00:29:28.240 --> 00:29:31.200
conversations that he had with me he has

00:29:31.279 --> 00:29:34.799
touched so many lives so many lives that

00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:37.559
he has come and some people won't even

00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:40.720
know that he has touched their lives in

00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:44.720
until goes into the future he was a

00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:47.680
great supporter of Milton Pony Club he

00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:51.200
built their fences he  he did a lot of

00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:54.680
work for them all in kind he did much

00:29:54.759 --> 00:29:56.880
work at the men's shed bully point in

00:29:56.960 --> 00:30:00.680
kind but but he also funded various

00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:03.519
research and medical  developments and

00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:06.319
medical research so one day one of us

00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:09.240
may be in the hospital and from his

00:30:09.319 --> 00:30:11.680
donations to medical research he will

00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:14.680
save our life so he is very Visionary

00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:17.240
man and I was very very sorry to hear

00:30:17.319 --> 00:30:21.200
him that he' passed away thank

00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:24.839
you any further speakers being none is

00:30:24.920 --> 00:30:26.319
there any dissenting voices there being

00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:29.960
none then that is carried thank you

00:30:31.119 --> 00:30:32.440
so councilors that takes us to

00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:34.759
deputations and presentations and I have

00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:37.680
a  I have a procedural motion that I'm

00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:39.799
going to propose to you because we've

00:30:39.880 --> 00:30:42.200
got an hour's worth of deputation

00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:44.880
sitting in front of us  there's that

00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:47.599
many people on the list  so the first

00:30:47.680 --> 00:30:49.519
thing is that again tonight I'm going to

00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:51.640
request that we have a strict adherence

00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:55.079
to the 5 minutes  so if our deputies

00:30:55.160 --> 00:30:57.039
can't get their message across in 5

00:30:57.119 --> 00:30:59.640
minutes  we we'll just have to turn

00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:01.720
the microphone off because we've got so

00:31:01.799 --> 00:31:05.440
many people on board  but I'm also

00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:07.839
going to request that we do a procedural

00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:10.079
motion to have a look at the call over

00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:11.559
of the business paper and get a number

00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:13.279
of the items that are on the business

00:31:13.359 --> 00:31:16.119
paper dealt with early  so that if

00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:18.400
there are any staff that are here just

00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:21.599
waiting for those items  that they are

00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:24.319
then free from their obligation to stay

00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:27.160
at the meeting is there  any agreeance

00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:28.839
on the proced edal motion to bring

00:31:28.920 --> 00:31:30.880
forward the call

00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:33.920
over yep great and I seconder then

00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:35.519
councelor Christen for that procedural

00:31:35.599 --> 00:31:37.200
motion there's no dissenting voices then

00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:39.680
that is carried so councilors then that

00:31:39.759 --> 00:31:43.880
will take us into  the first report

00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:45.680
does anyone wish to withdraw the item

00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:47.960
from the abigal advisory

00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:52.400
committee if y councilor Kristen you do

00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:55.119
or you happy just to move

00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:57.480
it okay so we'll debate that one I'll

00:31:57.559 --> 00:32:00.680
bring it out thank you in the city

00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:02.839
performance reports we have the

00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:05.480
lgnsw Motions the ongoing register of

00:32:05.559 --> 00:32:06.920
pecuniary interest and the southern

00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:10.279
water services does anyone wish to

00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:13.839
withdraw anyone wish to

00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:19.400
withdraw y I would like

00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:23.480
water y can I have someone move the

00:32:23.559 --> 00:32:26.000
pecuniary interest please thank you

00:32:26.079 --> 00:32:27.400
councelor Wells seconded by councel

00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:29.160
white and sending voices there being

00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:30.920
none then CL

00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:33.480
24236 the ongoing register of pecuniary

00:32:33.559 --> 00:32:37.839
Interest returns till July 2024 is uh

00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:41.160
passed unanimously thank you  in

00:32:41.240 --> 00:32:43.480
active Futures I've got 238 listed with

00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:46.519
Council Kristen who wish to anyone wish

00:32:46.599 --> 00:32:49.880
to withdraw 239 4 40 41 or

00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:53.559
42 yeah 240 and

00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:57.640
241 got

00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:08.880
okay the tattered remains of that report

00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:11.000
can I have someone move 239 please thank

00:33:11.079 --> 00:33:12.759
you councelor white seconded by councel

00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:16.960
Copley any descent on 24239 the new land

00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:18.920
use planning scheme the affordable

00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:21.720
housing strategy to be accepted there

00:33:21.799 --> 00:33:23.559
being no dissenting voices and that is

00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:27.000
carried unanimously

00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:29.759
city

00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:32.519
services  anyone wish to withdraw

00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:35.880
anything from the city services

00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:40.279
report that being 24 243 the road

00:33:40.359 --> 00:33:43.599
closure 44 the funding for the road

00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:46.640
safety program 4 five the open reports

00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:49.240
for the tenders there's three four lots

00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:50.880
of tenders does anyone wish to withdraw

00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:53.640
any of those reports for open no can I

00:33:53.720 --> 00:33:56.359
have someone move

00:33:56.720 --> 00:34:00.680
it you wish to withdraw all of

00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:04.119
those can you choose one which one all

00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:06.599
of them

00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:10.039
speak who was that Madam that's

00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:12.599
councelor

00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:24.679
L okay councelor Norris moves the

00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:27.920
balance being 243 44 and 45 second by

00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:30.480
councilor Wells  is there any descent

00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:32.599
in those items being uh passed there

00:34:32.679 --> 00:34:36.440
being none then the following cl2

00:34:36.519 --> 00:34:39.400
4243 the proposed road closure and sale

00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:41.400
of the unformed council road adjoining

00:34:41.480 --> 00:34:46.599
lot 114 dp122 8280 Clifford close

00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:49.679
mollymook Beach CL L

00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:52.239
24244 the local government road safety

00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:55.079
program 2425 the approved projects with

00:34:55.159 --> 00:34:57.159
transport for New South Wales funding

00:34:57.239 --> 00:34:59.000
assistance

00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:02.400
uh 24245 the tenders the open portion of

00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:03.559
the tenders construction of an

00:35:03.639 --> 00:35:06.400
industrial State at fenders stage 11 at

00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:08.920
South

00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:12.000
Nara City development  does anyone

00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:14.519
wish to withdraw that if not can I have

00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:16.440
a mover please thank you councelor white

00:35:16.519 --> 00:35:18.559
seconded by councel kotash any

00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:21.679
descending voices there being none then

00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:27.639
24249 da 20241 1564 52 Horizon cresant V

00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:30.880
C here lot 1414 dp12

00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:34.519
31370 I it's passed unanimously City

00:35:34.599 --> 00:35:36.960
Lifestyles  anyone wish to withdraw

00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:42.320
anything in the city Lifestyles report 2

00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:48.760
250

00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:53.679
two anyone wish to withdraw the other

00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:56.280
two items can I have a mve for that

00:35:56.360 --> 00:35:58.360
please thank you councelor Copley

00:35:58.440 --> 00:36:00.760
seconded by councelor gray that any

00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:02.639
dissenting voices that those two items

00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:06.440
be received then the following cl2 4251

00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:09.280
requests for plaes and memorials and cl

00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:12.119
24252 Shoalhaven Sports board member

00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:15.320
resignations are passed

00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:21.199
unanimously Shoalhaven wat's got two in

00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:24.119
confidential sorry water thank you

00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:27.039
councelor Wells thank you seconded by

00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:29.679
councelor Copley any dissenting voices

00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:32.440
that those two reports be received there

00:36:32.519 --> 00:36:36.920
been no  no dissenting voices cl2

00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:39.519
4253 tenders for the various water mains

00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:42.519
replacement package 1 FY

00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:45.679
2425 and tenders various water Ms replac

00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:49.559
replacement Package 2 FY 2425 both

00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:50.960
passed

00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:53.079
unanimously I got a number of notices

00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:54.800
motion that most of the deputations are

00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:56.800
on so we'll deal with that we also have

00:36:56.880 --> 00:36:58.800
the addend report councilors I need

00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:00.480
someone to move the addend be

00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:02.360
introduced thank you councelor white

00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:04.159
seconded by councelor gray there's no

00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:07.039
dissenting voices and that is carried 

00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:09.960
the the addend report I'm not just

00:37:10.039 --> 00:37:13.559
trying to find my

00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:17.480
copy I do have it here the addend

00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:20.840
report only has one item in it and it's

00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:23.920
the investment report thank you  it's

00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:26.000
been moved by councelor white seconded

00:37:26.079 --> 00:37:28.599
by councelor Kristen any dissenting

00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:30.920
voices at the investment report be

00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:35.400
received there being none then CL

00:37:35.480 --> 00:37:38.800
24264 the investment report for July

00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:43.159
2024  is passed unanimously thank you

00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:45.239
okay councilors that takes us now back

00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:47.159
to the beginning of the

00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:49.599
paper gives us an idea of how we're

00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:51.920
going to manage that

00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:54.679
work  also counselors I need to draw

00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:56.000
to your attention that there were a

00:37:56.079 --> 00:37:59.159
number of written some deputations this

00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:01.119
evening

00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:05.840
 and that there's a replacement

00:38:09.199 --> 00:38:13.159
page so we got written depues from James

00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:18.079
Harris Lorraine Larry there was another

00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:22.320
one that

00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:27.159
from that was a third one

00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:31.039
no it's only the two that I can note

00:38:31.119 --> 00:38:33.320
thank

00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:40.280
you

00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:47.599
okay okay so she's

00:38:48.280 --> 00:38:50.159
withdrawn

00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:52.599
okay is that the most up to- dat one

00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:55.239
sorry fast action today on deputations

00:38:55.320 --> 00:38:57.119
so I'm just going to consolidate What

00:38:57.199 --> 00:38:59.159
would got here and go with the list that

00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:03.719
I have oh here we go yep there we

00:39:03.800 --> 00:39:05.239
go

00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:08.239
okay okay so to all of our deputes this

00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:10.639
evening when you're asked to approach

00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:12.920
the microphone if you're unfamiliar

00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:14.679
you'll notice that on the microphone

00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:16.559
there's a red light and you'll be able

00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:20.159
to see that flashing when that light

00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:23.239
starts to flash you have one minute

00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:25.639
remaining to wrap up your  your

00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:28.639
deputation this evening  and as I said

00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:31.480
we've got over an hour of deputations so

00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:33.840
we do need to continue to move through

00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:37.480
that business  so I wish to ask uh

00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:39.840
Debbie Killian to the microphone uh

00:39:39.920 --> 00:39:42.199
Debbie's here speaking for the meril

00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:44.280
minute on the outgoing farewell thank

00:39:44.360 --> 00:39:46.519
you

00:39:55.679 --> 00:39:58.039
Debbie hello everyone

00:39:58.119 --> 00:39:58.880
Madame

00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:01.159
mayor I'd like to acknowledge and

00:40:01.239 --> 00:40:03.119
support the views expressed by mayor

00:40:03.199 --> 00:40:05.480
Amanda Finley in recognizing the

00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:07.639
contributions made by Council staff to

00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:10.639
the services in our community they're

00:40:10.719 --> 00:40:13.159
running and

00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:15.239
developing as she said in the meral

00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:18.480
minute of mm 2428 this is especially

00:40:18.559 --> 00:40:20.119
important at the present time when it

00:40:20.199 --> 00:40:23.000
seems that there's a concerted effort in

00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:25.360
some parts of the media to discredit our

00:40:25.440 --> 00:40:28.880
Council staff these staff members are

00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:31.320
are our community and they are people

00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:33.320
who turn up every day and contribute an

00:40:33.400 --> 00:40:35.679
honest day's work and whatever their

00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:37.760
jobs are like all workers they deserve

00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:40.960
to be treated with respect I know that

00:40:41.039 --> 00:40:43.000
in the main the community like mayor

00:40:43.079 --> 00:40:45.039
Finley is grateful for the contribution

00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:48.000
they make I would also like to note that

00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:50.159
may Finley is held in great esteem and

00:40:50.239 --> 00:40:52.920
affection within our community I did not

00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:56.800
want to see this I mean sorry I saw when

00:40:56.880 --> 00:40:58.559
I saw this meeting of council and I saw

00:40:58.639 --> 00:41:00.599
the May minute that was there and I

00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:02.280
think it's her last ordinary meeting in

00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:04.719
the chair I didn't want it to pass

00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:06.440
without us taking a few minutes to

00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:09.159
reflect on the respect and affection so

00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:12.400
many have for our amazing Community

00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:15.000
leader a mayor will necessarily come

00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:16.800
into contact with a great many people in

00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:18.320
the course of her administrative and

00:41:18.400 --> 00:41:19.519
Civic

00:41:19.599 --> 00:41:22.920
duties in times as difficult as some

00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:24.800
that we have been through here in the sh

00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:27.519
Haven during Amanda Finley's two-term

00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:30.239
smir these contacts are sometimes quite

00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:32.719
emotionally charged we're we're

00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:34.119
fortunate to have a leader with the

00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:36.119
wisdom resilience and Grace to support

00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:38.880
our community through these times we

00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:41.119
were all traatized in varying degrees

00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:43.280
by the bushfires in

00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:45.639
201920 and many of the other events

00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:47.880
since but after the bushes we talked

00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:49.800
about our experiences at length and in

00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:53.119
all sorts of situations with family and

00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:55.440
friends and also at times among

00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:57.360
strangers it's been an important part of

00:41:57.440 --> 00:41:59.880
the healing process but I cannot tell

00:41:59.960 --> 00:42:02.679
you how often people mention seeing

00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:04.760
Amanda Finley in those evacuation

00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:07.360
centers in those hours after and even

00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:08.440
during the

00:42:08.519 --> 00:42:13.079
fires how important the healing hugs the

00:42:13.159 --> 00:42:14.559
genuine

00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:17.280
empathy that they received from her is

00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:19.119
to them and how they still talk about it

00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:21.400
now when a man whose name comes up these

00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:24.519
are the things that many people say the

00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:27.599
visits to communities immediate after

00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:30.000
the fires the first among the first

00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:32.840
people who came in this means a lot and

00:42:32.920 --> 00:42:36.519
people hold you in their hearts for

00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:41.559
that also the pictures that we saw on

00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:43.280
fire devastated

00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:46.559
land Amanda Finley with a navy

00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:49.480
helicopter and Personnel doing food

00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:51.639
drops to whatever Wildlife had managed

00:42:51.719 --> 00:42:53.679
to survive the

00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:56.199
devastation made a lasting impression on

00:42:56.280 --> 00:42:59.039
many people as well well she's supported

00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:00.840
Community efforts on many fronts too

00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:03.440
many to name here but to see the warmth

00:43:03.519 --> 00:43:05.360
of greeting she received for example

00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:07.679
from First Nations Community leaders and

00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:10.360
Elders at the Nala Festival in alala

00:43:10.440 --> 00:43:13.159
during the recent naok week celebrations

00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:15.920
left one in no doubt as to how she is

00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:18.039
regarded I'm sorry that there are people

00:43:18.119 --> 00:43:20.760
in the chamber who I can see laughing at

00:43:20.840 --> 00:43:23.599
me and talking amongst themselves but I

00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:25.599
feel very confident that the community

00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:29.280
out there is not reflected in your views

00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:31.840
I was at the dentist last week and I was

00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:33.639
asked about the local government

00:43:33.719 --> 00:43:36.000
election when I said Amanda Finley was

00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:38.480
retiring from the role I was suddenly

00:43:38.559 --> 00:43:41.039
involved in a conversation about very

00:43:41.119 --> 00:43:44.239
personal impact she'd had on the family

00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:45.400
when they were taking out their

00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:48.239
citizenship a couple of years ago I

00:43:48.320 --> 00:43:50.000
heard how she presented the family

00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:52.599
certificates and how respectfully she

00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:55.039
how respectful she was of pronouncing a

00:43:55.119 --> 00:43:58.039
name with unfamiliar sounds and how

00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:02.239
warmly she set my flash how warmly she

00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:04.440
 welcomed them to their rights and

00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:07.440
responsibilities as Australian citizens

00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:08.960
they showed me their photos and these

00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:10.920
were Treasured

00:44:11.000 --> 00:44:16.519
Memories I'd like to also

00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:19.199
sorry it's a tribute to Amanda Finley's

00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:21.239
leadership and Grace that she's held in

00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:24.199
such high esteem in the community and on

00:44:24.280 --> 00:44:26.000
behalf of the many many people across

00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:28.079
the shell Haven whove been helped

00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:31.119
inspired supported made to feel worthy

00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:33.639
and respected by Amanda Finley I would

00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:36.719
like to say thank you your service to

00:44:36.800 --> 00:44:38.960
our community is deeply appreciated and

00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:40.920
we wish you well for whatever challenges

00:44:41.000 --> 00:44:44.880
you make in the future thank

00:44:55.280 --> 00:44:58.360
you thank you Debbie can I please have

00:44:58.440 --> 00:45:02.000
 lurel Patton

00:45:02.440 --> 00:45:05.360
please lurel joins us today to speak on

00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:06.800
the caps on short-term rental

00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:11.280
accommodation in new residential sub

00:45:19.039 --> 00:45:22.760
subdivisions welcome lurel thank you

00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:23.960
just pop if you want to pull the

00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:25.880
microphone down slightly so as you feel

00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:27.599
more comfortable with it there you go

00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:31.599
thank you good evening  and thank you

00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:33.239
Madame mayor counselors and members of

00:45:33.320 --> 00:45:35.480
the community my name is lurel pton and

00:45:35.559 --> 00:45:38.039
I'm a proud Airbnb host in our beautiful

00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:40.000
region my husband and I consider

00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:42.320
ourselves Mom and Dad hosts I also

00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:44.519
volunteer as a co-coordinator for the

00:45:44.599 --> 00:45:46.920
South Coast Area host Community I've

00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:50.159
listened to some of the  counselors

00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:51.880
here and yes it did bring back memories

00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:55.960
to me that yes I grew up in a tent yes I

00:45:56.039 --> 00:45:58.400
grew up in a caravan so I understand

00:45:58.480 --> 00:46:01.079
these were the poe Wars at kalala

00:46:01.159 --> 00:46:03.559
beach we currently live in huskerson

00:46:03.639 --> 00:46:05.760
where we share our home with Airbnb

00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:07.880
guest I have lived in the Shoalhaven for

00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:09.559
most of my life working as a nurse in

00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:11.400
the operating theater in Shoalhaven

00:46:11.480 --> 00:46:13.719
Hospital I have also volunteered as a

00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:16.719
scout leader with u Scouts for 17 years

00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:18.639
today I still give back to the community

00:46:18.719 --> 00:46:21.000
through my work through Bales Scout now

00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:23.679
retired my husband and I supplement our

00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:25.440
income providing short-term rental

00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:27.719
accommodation hosting has allowed us to

00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:29.920
meet people from all walks of life share

00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:31.639
our deep love and knowledge with the sh

00:46:31.719 --> 00:46:35.199
Haven sh and juvis Bay our go our guests

00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:38.239
often include Trans in families overseas

00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:40.400
Travelers parents attending Naval Cadet

00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:42.719
ceremonies we consider ourselves

00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:45.079
inclusive host we welcome guests of all

00:46:45.159 --> 00:46:47.800
ages including those with disabilities

00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:49.400
we have provided accommodation for

00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:51.679
individuals affected by bushs and those

00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:53.880
working in the local area I want to

00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:55.519
emphasize that short-term rental

00:46:55.599 --> 00:46:58.280
accommodation plays significant role in

00:46:58.360 --> 00:47:00.119
creating employment opportunities within

00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:02.519
the Shoalhaven Council area the presence

00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:04.440
of short-term rental accommodation

00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:06.360
supports local business from cleaners

00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:08.239
property managers trades people

00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:10.559
landscapes and local shops and

00:47:10.639 --> 00:47:11.960
restaurants that benefit from The

00:47:12.039 --> 00:47:14.639
increased foot traffic bought by the

00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:17.239
visitors this ecosystem of the services

00:47:17.320 --> 00:47:19.400
directly contributes to the local

00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:21.519
economy and helps sustain jobs for many

00:47:21.599 --> 00:47:23.840
presence tonight I'm here to address the

00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:26.079
maril Mena proposal regarding caps on

00:47:26.159 --> 00:47:27.519
short-term

00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:29.639
in new residential subdivisions as a

00:47:29.719 --> 00:47:31.280
resident who spent many years in this

00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:33.239
community I'm deeply concerned about

00:47:33.320 --> 00:47:35.519
this application of this proposal

00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:37.920
yesterday I conducted some research on

00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:40.320
real estate through real estate.com and

00:47:40.400 --> 00:47:42.440
found that there were 73 homes available

00:47:42.519 --> 00:47:46.000
to rent in Nara region this suggests

00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:47.880
that there isn't a significant short of

00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:50.360
HS for long-term rental additionally to

00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:51.400
my

00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:53.760
knowledge there are only a handful of

00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:55.559
non-hosted short-term rental properties

00:47:55.639 --> 00:47:58.400
in the Nar City Banning short-term

00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:00.840
rental is a new housing and subdivision

00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:02.880
seems unnecessary when the real issue

00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:05.519
lies elsewhere the vast majority of

00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:07.320
short-term rental props are located in

00:48:07.400 --> 00:48:09.719
Beach areas and tourist towns like brry

00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:12.199
and not in the heart of Nara I would

00:48:12.280 --> 00:48:14.679
like to ask the council to reconsider

00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:16.159
the connection being made between

00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:18.760
short-term rental and housing crisis it

00:48:18.840 --> 00:48:20.920
seems to me that the impact of

00:48:21.000 --> 00:48:22.039
short-term rental on housing

00:48:22.119 --> 00:48:24.199
availability is being overstated is

00:48:24.280 --> 00:48:26.000
essentially to recognize that 40% of the

00:48:26.079 --> 00:48:27.280
short-term r

00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:29.840
bookings are for non-leisure purposes

00:48:29.920 --> 00:48:31.800
our economy in the Shoalhaven sh heavily

00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:34.679
rise on sh short-term rental and

00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:36.079
accommodating essential workers

00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:37.559
including doctors nurses and other

00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:39.559
Health Professions who visit the region

00:48:39.639 --> 00:48:41.559
during my term working at shaven

00:48:41.639 --> 00:48:43.320
hospital I witness firsthand the

00:48:43.400 --> 00:48:45.239
importance of short-term rental for

00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:48.559
visiting Specialists looms and looms and

00:48:48.639 --> 00:48:51.440
other Allied hair train Allied healthc

00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:53.960
care traines who are required to

00:48:54.039 --> 00:48:55.559
complete practical experience here in

00:48:55.639 --> 00:48:56.920
the shallow Haven and reli and

00:48:57.000 --> 00:48:59.079
short-term rental beyond the health care

00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:01.519
sector short-term rental probably serves

00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:03.400
families visiting elderly relatives in

00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:05.639
nursing homes people coming to the

00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:07.599
region for medical procedures and many

00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:10.119
other with legitimate important needs in

00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:13.199
conclusion I urge the council to to

00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:15.880
consider the broader impact of this

00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:18.039
proposal in our community and ensure

00:49:18.119 --> 00:49:19.960
that any regulations are balanced and

00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:22.079
fair let's work together and find

00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:24.360
solutions that support both affordable

00:49:24.440 --> 00:49:26.000
housing and diverse needs of the

00:49:26.079 --> 00:49:29.239
community and it came to me lastly can

00:49:29.320 --> 00:49:32.000
you please show the facts and figures

00:49:32.079 --> 00:49:34.039
that short-term rental that you Ray eye

00:49:34.119 --> 00:49:37.320
on for places in the Shell Haven so

00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:40.639
thank you thank

00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:45.239
you  just in case there's a question

00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:46.880
for you oh that's right I've never done

00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:49.119
this before so I'm new I know and it's

00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:50.639
really tempting just to want to run away

00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:51.960
and not be in the spotlight but you're

00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:53.440
in the spotlight until I ask the

00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:55.239
counselors if they have any questions

00:49:55.320 --> 00:49:58.599
and councelor D lights on thank you

00:49:58.679 --> 00:50:01.280
thank you  and also thank you for

00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:03.920
hosting those people at your home I

00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:06.239
think that's how Airbnb started out so

00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:10.199
currently do you  still only rent out

00:50:10.280 --> 00:50:12.760
a part of your home as a we live there

00:50:12.840 --> 00:50:16.000
we are residential hosts yes so you

00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:18.119
don't you you don't ever rent out your

00:50:18.199 --> 00:50:20.360
entire home as no we have a little

00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:22.480
cottage which we lived in while we

00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:24.480
renovated our front of our house and sat

00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:26.880
they vacant for 6 months and think what

00:50:26.960 --> 00:50:28.199
are we going to do with this it was to

00:50:28.280 --> 00:50:30.599
be my craft room and then we thought our

00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:32.320
money's going down the hill being

00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:35.039
self-funded retes we needed something to

00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:37.000
replace it absolutely so you've never

00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:40.639
had to rent your whole house out no okay

00:50:40.719 --> 00:50:43.719
it's just thank

00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:47.000
you thank you and the next speaker is

00:50:47.079 --> 00:50:49.800
councelor L next question from councelor

00:50:49.880 --> 00:50:52.239
L thank you very much LEL for speaking

00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:53.440
time I'm pleased we were able to hear

00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:54.400
from you because I think your

00:50:54.480 --> 00:50:56.360
perspective was really important on this

00:50:56.440 --> 00:50:57.840
 I was just hoping you could tell me a

00:50:57.920 --> 00:51:00.639
little bit more about the  Association

00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:02.599
you're involved with locally the 

00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:04.559
hosted Community  because I think

00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:05.760
that's a very important distinction in

00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:08.599
the motion  and I think Council Darth

00:51:08.679 --> 00:51:10.280
ask a question I'd ask about how that

00:51:10.360 --> 00:51:11.320
works you can just tell us a little bit

00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:12.440
more about your group how many people

00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:14.960
are I'm a volunteer I volunteered to

00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:16.880
co-host because we needed something to

00:51:16.960 --> 00:51:20.440
link the host in this area it was via

00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:23.639
Sydney and we have a base ground we have

00:51:23.719 --> 00:51:26.880
had  morning tea at my house we've had

00:51:26.960 --> 00:51:29.360
when the we heard first heard the New

00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:31.280
South Wales government changing the

00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:33.000
rules we had another barbecue at our

00:51:33.079 --> 00:51:36.559
house where we had 35 10ds coming  I

00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:39.360
have gone to speak to Parliament and

00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:42.119
across all sections of the government in

00:51:42.199 --> 00:51:45.039
June and being questioned there was only

00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:46.920
one person that objected and it happened

00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:49.519
to be our representative from the shell

00:51:49.599 --> 00:51:52.639
Haven so I was quite stunned actually

00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:55.480
when I went there it was a six-hour

00:51:55.559 --> 00:51:58.320
session between both parties so I am

00:51:58.400 --> 00:52:01.719
passionate because I feel it gives a

00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:04.519
place where you can be independent and

00:52:04.599 --> 00:52:07.000
you and you can provide something we've

00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:08.800
worked I've worked for 37 years in the

00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:10.480
government my husband's worked for 40

00:52:10.559 --> 00:52:13.880
years he also was the Australian day

00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:16.599
cemy person we have given to this

00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:20.199
community between us for 77 years and we

00:52:20.280 --> 00:52:22.880
know that there is a need for places it

00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:26.840
is not just holiday people and to to me

00:52:26.920 --> 00:52:29.679
my heart is there if it's a new

00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:32.159
residential you still got to provide

00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:36.159
people here in this town for workers and

00:52:36.239 --> 00:52:38.679
places to stay they are not here for for

00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:41.000
6 months they are only here often for 2

00:52:41.079 --> 00:52:44.559
or three weeks and so I feel

00:52:44.639 --> 00:52:47.480
that taking a long lease doesn't answer

00:52:47.559 --> 00:52:49.519
their question and as I said I have

00:52:49.599 --> 00:52:51.719
lived in a tent I've lived in a caravan

00:52:51.800 --> 00:52:54.599
in the ' 50s when postwar so I

00:52:54.679 --> 00:52:55.920
understand we've been through that but

00:52:56.000 --> 00:52:58.920
we have driven and got past that

00:52:59.000 --> 00:53:01.639
point councelor

00:53:01.719 --> 00:53:06.800
bra yeah great thank you lurel I noticed

00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:08.760
in your deputation and I'll quote

00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:12.400
verbatim the real issue lies elsewhere

00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:14.679
where is  that real issue elsewhere

00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:17.239
then the real issue

00:53:17.320 --> 00:53:20.320
is

00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:23.400
often when I grew up in balader there

00:53:23.480 --> 00:53:25.800
was social housing built there was Bush

00:53:25.880 --> 00:53:30.119
between farm and top of Maru Road there

00:53:30.199 --> 00:53:33.119
was over 120 180 Housing Commission

00:53:33.199 --> 00:53:35.239
homes there's nothing being built there

00:53:35.320 --> 00:53:37.400
when I was living here and bringing our

00:53:37.480 --> 00:53:39.000
families up at East narrow there was

00:53:39.079 --> 00:53:41.119
another at least another 180 homes there

00:53:41.199 --> 00:53:42.719
is none of those in that area and I

00:53:42.800 --> 00:53:44.239
think we need to address that problem

00:53:44.320 --> 00:53:47.000
first okay so I get that point you're

00:53:47.079 --> 00:53:50.000
making and then the next point is the

00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:53.880
selfhosted airbnbs which you are yes

00:53:53.960 --> 00:53:56.880
they won't be impacted by this what it's

00:53:56.960 --> 00:54:00.400
saying is self-hosted is allowed so

00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:03.880
where's your rationale then against that

00:54:03.960 --> 00:54:06.199
well sometimes we we were a Navy family

00:54:06.280 --> 00:54:09.440
as well we've actually bought a home and

00:54:09.519 --> 00:54:12.360
we've had to be move away so then we

00:54:12.440 --> 00:54:14.320
didn't really want it longterm because

00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:16.719
we might have to come back so there was

00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:18.599
no short-term rental in those days but

00:54:18.679 --> 00:54:20.679
it would have answered our question so I

00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:22.679
know that this is a big service Naval

00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:25.840
service Town Air Force and the na Army

00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:28.360
so we ' got a big movement of population

00:54:28.440 --> 00:54:30.199
yeah but I also want to reiterate this

00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:33.079
won't affect your Airbnb at huskerson

00:54:33.159 --> 00:54:35.239
you're aware of that AR yes I'm aware

00:54:35.320 --> 00:54:38.119
that great and the wording is only to

00:54:38.199 --> 00:54:41.000
receive the report back and to consider

00:54:41.079 --> 00:54:43.960
do you have any problems with that thing

00:54:44.039 --> 00:54:47.320
the wording is fairly innocuous I I feel

00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:49.119
all right I live here I'm a service

00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:51.519
Personnel I've actually bought my home

00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:53.000
then we've had a transfer to Western

00:54:53.079 --> 00:54:56.039
Australia but we could come back so I

00:54:56.119 --> 00:54:58.000
don't want to put it in long-term rental

00:54:58.079 --> 00:54:59.519
I actually want to put in a shortterm

00:54:59.599 --> 00:55:01.239
because we might come back and we don't

00:55:01.320 --> 00:55:03.000
have to have that bookings we can say

00:55:03.079 --> 00:55:06.880
it's mine and I can come back thank you

00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:11.159
before you go  theel can I would like

00:55:11.239 --> 00:55:14.519
to ask just one question for your BNB

00:55:14.599 --> 00:55:17.360
that you run and you are a hosted B&B

00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:20.679
from that how many days a year do you

00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:24.239
have guests in your home  well this

00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:26.239
year is a poor thing because we've just

00:55:26.320 --> 00:55:27.760
blocked it off and we've gone away for

00:55:27.840 --> 00:55:31.239
holidays  I think last year we had

00:55:31.320 --> 00:55:35.440
190 days but I am selective I control my

00:55:35.519 --> 00:55:37.320
booking I'm not through a manager

00:55:37.400 --> 00:55:39.639
property that wants is hungry to get

00:55:39.719 --> 00:55:42.639
everything we control our days yeah so

00:55:42.719 --> 00:55:47.400
18 180 day cap is not an unreasonable

00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:49.880
cap compared to where you are but then

00:55:49.960 --> 00:55:51.199
again if it's a good year we've had

00:55:51.280 --> 00:55:52.480
you've have to takeen those years we've

00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:53.960
only been doing 3 years you've had to

00:55:54.039 --> 00:55:55.880
take in Co we've had to shut down for

00:55:55.960 --> 00:55:59.159
three months at a time we've had to 

00:55:59.239 --> 00:56:01.559
I've been sick we've cut down and this I

00:56:01.639 --> 00:56:04.199
do the cleaning I'm the cleaner I'm the

00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:07.400
manager my husband says I'm the slave

00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:10.480
I'm I'm the helper and that's his label

00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:12.840
so we do it all ourselves so I if you're

00:56:12.920 --> 00:56:15.039
going to put a cap which I don't really

00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:17.519
do but I sort of think at least 240

00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:20.119
because that's a number that

00:56:20.199 --> 00:56:23.519
covers more times and yes we as host we

00:56:23.599 --> 00:56:24.519
go

00:56:24.599 --> 00:56:26.679
away okay thank you for your point of

00:56:26.760 --> 00:56:28.440
view thank

00:56:28.519 --> 00:56:32.960
you councilors can I now call on James

00:56:33.039 --> 00:56:37.159
Harris look at the timing

00:56:38.760 --> 00:56:41.440
James James is here today to speak

00:56:41.519 --> 00:56:45.000
against the  24240 the proposed

00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:47.199
finalization of Works in kind agreement

00:56:47.280 --> 00:56:50.199
for 70 Hill Crest Avenue welcome James

00:56:50.280 --> 00:56:51.599
thank you Madame May I'm not sure if you

00:56:51.679 --> 00:56:54.039
heard my lecture before I I was they

00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:55.760
very conscious of that so I'll stick to

00:56:55.840 --> 00:56:58.039
my task thank you  thank you senior

00:56:58.119 --> 00:56:59.559
staff and counselors for the opportunity

00:56:59.639 --> 00:57:01.400
to make this deputation speaking against

00:57:01.480 --> 00:57:05.199
the council report related to CL

00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:07.599
24240  my name is James Harris from

00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:09.440
alen price and scarrett who represents

00:57:09.519 --> 00:57:12.559
the developer goo Holdings at 70 Hill

00:57:12.639 --> 00:57:15.480
Crest Avenue South Nara in making this

00:57:15.559 --> 00:57:17.280
representation we wish to make the

00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:19.599
elected Council aware of the matters

00:57:19.679 --> 00:57:21.719
related to The Works in Co agreement

00:57:21.800 --> 00:57:23.719
which are complex and remain at the

00:57:23.800 --> 00:57:26.840
moment unsatisfactory unresolved

00:57:26.920 --> 00:57:28.800
in smary the key points we wish to

00:57:28.880 --> 00:57:32.480
make are the contributions uh plan

00:57:32.559 --> 00:57:38.840
projects namely o1 Road 314 and 01 drain

00:57:38.920 --> 00:57:40.800
05 which make up the works in kind

00:57:40.880 --> 00:57:42.800
agreement are based on concept and

00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:45.440
estimates and no detail in the actual

00:57:45.519 --> 00:57:48.760
contributions plan the related wicker

00:57:48.840 --> 00:57:51.519
and development approval SF

00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:54.480
10525 was approved by Council in on the

00:57:54.559 --> 00:57:57.000
17th of February 2020

00:57:57.079 --> 00:57:58.880
and which approved a greater design

00:57:58.960 --> 00:58:00.760
construction requirements than that in

00:58:00.840 --> 00:58:03.800
the contributions plan projects So In

00:58:03.880 --> 00:58:05.639
fairness it's not like for like when

00:58:05.719 --> 00:58:07.559
comparing the contribution project

00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:09.320
against the approved Works which forms

00:58:09.400 --> 00:58:12.159
the Wicker the council recommendation of

00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:16.440
the 7th of  February 2020 which is

00:58:16.519 --> 00:58:18.719
subject in detail in the council report

00:58:18.800 --> 00:58:20.800
agreed to prepare a wicker and endorse

00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:22.719
the allocation of deleted funds for plan

00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:24.800
Area 1 to cover any shortfall in

00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:28.079
available funds to construct this these

00:58:28.159 --> 00:58:29.519
contribution

00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:31.480
projects this indicated that the

00:58:31.559 --> 00:58:33.519
additional funds were available and were

00:58:33.599 --> 00:58:35.079
considered to be

00:58:35.159 --> 00:58:37.519
necessary no indication was given at

00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:38.960
this council meeting on the 7th of

00:58:39.039 --> 00:58:41.440
February 20220 that the available wicker

00:58:41.519 --> 00:58:44.599
and contribution funds were limited and

00:58:44.679 --> 00:58:47.280
subsequently not available

00:58:47.360 --> 00:58:50.119
later the developer through the process

00:58:50.199 --> 00:58:52.360
has provided detailed actual tender

00:58:52.440 --> 00:58:53.800
costs and land

00:58:53.880 --> 00:58:56.559
valuation  which uh

00:58:56.639 --> 00:58:59.559
is contested in the council report

00:58:59.639 --> 00:59:01.800
however no meetings and discussions or

00:59:01.880 --> 00:59:03.599
reviews of the figures besides what is

00:59:03.679 --> 00:59:06.000
detailing this report has been

00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:08.920
undertaken  with the developer we've

00:59:09.000 --> 00:59:11.159
had discussions but those discussions

00:59:11.239 --> 00:59:12.679
have not gone into

00:59:12.760 --> 00:59:14.639
figures there are in acces in the

00:59:14.719 --> 00:59:16.360
council report which we've detailed in a

00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:18.360
separate  email to council staff which

00:59:18.440 --> 00:59:21.760
are provided  today the ability to

00:59:21.840 --> 00:59:24.440
payback developer contributions  which

00:59:24.519 --> 00:59:25.679
has mentioned in the council report

00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:28.079
through the surface value

00:59:28.159 --> 00:59:33.000
mechanism  may never be realized it

00:59:33.079 --> 00:59:35.719
there's the  real scenario these

00:59:35.800 --> 00:59:37.440
contribution projects may be deleted in

00:59:37.519 --> 00:59:39.840
the future and therefore hence there's

00:59:39.920 --> 00:59:42.079
no ability for the developer to actually

00:59:42.159 --> 00:59:45.679
capture these surplus funds in closing

00:59:45.760 --> 00:59:47.320
the outcome that developers seeking in

00:59:47.400 --> 00:59:49.440
raising the above points is that the

00:59:49.519 --> 00:59:52.000
current Council resolution be amended 

00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:54.920
as follows that a further that further

00:59:55.000 --> 00:59:56.639
discussion with the developer of what

00:59:56.719 --> 00:59:58.159
reasonable costs to deliver the works

00:59:58.239 --> 01:00:00.880
and kind of work Arrangements be

01:00:00.960 --> 01:00:04.119
approved in development consent SF SF

01:00:04.199 --> 01:00:08.360
10525 be undertaken and I guess come to

01:00:08.440 --> 01:00:11.400
a more reasonable outcome the matter be

01:00:11.480 --> 01:00:13.119
considered as soon as possible the

01:00:13.199 --> 01:00:14.800
council meeting for agreement or the

01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:16.639
final works and based on the

01:00:16.719 --> 01:00:18.199
infrastructure requirements approved in

01:00:18.280 --> 01:00:19.960
the development consent which I

01:00:20.039 --> 01:00:22.360
previously mentioned thank you for the

01:00:22.440 --> 01:00:24.639
opportunity to speak thanks for being a

01:00:24.719 --> 01:00:26.320
one and a half minute short I was

01:00:26.400 --> 01:00:28.480
promise to be short for you you did 

01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:30.280
James I'll just check in Council Norris

01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:31.719
has his light on for a question thank

01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:33.800
you thanks for your deputation James

01:00:33.880 --> 01:00:36.800
just wanted a quick question is your uh

01:00:36.880 --> 01:00:38.639
Pur you're representing Gober Holdings

01:00:38.719 --> 01:00:40.880
are they a Shaw Haven based developer or

01:00:40.960 --> 01:00:43.800
are they from elsewhere

01:00:43.880 --> 01:00:46.559
 they're elsewhere but  that's not

01:00:46.639 --> 01:00:48.000
unusual for most developers to be

01:00:48.079 --> 01:00:51.079
elsewhere invested in the Shell

01:00:51.159 --> 01:00:53.679
Haven any further questions

01:00:53.760 --> 01:00:56.480
councilors debeing none then you're free

01:00:56.559 --> 01:00:59.119
to go thanks

01:01:03.320 --> 01:01:06.480
James Adam mayor there's just one change

01:01:06.559 --> 01:01:07.960
that's going to happen here and and

01:01:08.039 --> 01:01:10.719
Stuart cogin wants to speak for not

01:01:10.800 --> 01:01:12.280
against

01:01:12.360 --> 01:01:15.000
okay all right yeah thank thank you

01:01:15.079 --> 01:01:17.079
counselor gray

01:01:17.159 --> 01:01:19.760
so all right we've got jeel citizens

01:01:19.840 --> 01:01:21.480
coming come on

01:01:21.559 --> 01:01:24.760
down  so Sarah woodell was listed to

01:01:24.840 --> 01:01:27.559
speak for the recommend ation St kogam

01:01:27.639 --> 01:01:30.159
 was to speak against the

01:01:30.239 --> 01:01:32.199
recommendation seems there's been some

01:01:32.280 --> 01:01:35.159
negotiation and now we have a joint

01:01:35.239 --> 01:01:36.960
presentation but I'm only giving you

01:01:37.039 --> 01:01:40.079
both one lot allocation of five minutes

01:01:40.159 --> 01:01:41.719
that's fine I just wanted to clarify

01:01:41.800 --> 01:01:44.239
that in the spirit of compromise we have

01:01:44.320 --> 01:01:46.400
come toward we think we've found a

01:01:46.480 --> 01:01:48.639
solution there's going to be an amended

01:01:48.719 --> 01:01:51.440
notice of motion and Stuart Cogan is

01:01:51.519 --> 01:01:53.760
going to do the presentation we're no

01:01:53.840 --> 01:01:58.440
longer on opposing sides thank

01:01:58.519 --> 01:02:01.000
you so for all Council hopefuls that's

01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:03.840
exactly how Works Done Right great

01:02:03.920 --> 01:02:06.159
thanks

01:02:14.239 --> 01:02:15.880
Stuart

01:02:15.960 --> 01:02:18.559
right  so I'm going to speak to touris

01:02:18.639 --> 01:02:20.519
cins which is an issue I've been dealing

01:02:20.599 --> 01:02:23.519
with for the last 10 years now without

01:02:23.599 --> 01:02:25.400
any success so we're hoping that might

01:02:25.480 --> 01:02:29.159
change this evening  so this is about

01:02:29.239 --> 01:02:31.440
tourist cabins that are proposed in

01:02:31.519 --> 01:02:33.559
rural zones and we're looking at how

01:02:33.639 --> 01:02:37.440
Council can help resolve some of the

01:02:37.519 --> 01:02:41.599
issues so there are no dictionary

01:02:41.679 --> 01:02:44.280
definitions uh or development control

01:02:44.360 --> 01:02:47.440
Provisions apply to tourist cabins

01:02:47.519 --> 01:02:50.679
they're just not mentioned in the LEP at

01:02:50.760 --> 01:02:53.760
all so that means when Council has an

01:02:53.840 --> 01:02:56.719
appeal against a decision  Council has

01:02:56.800 --> 01:02:58.519
no way of Defending that in the land

01:02:58.599 --> 01:03:01.239
environment Court from a statutory

01:03:01.320 --> 01:03:03.519
perspective Community groups have been

01:03:03.599 --> 01:03:05.559
unsupported in objecting to

01:03:05.639 --> 01:03:07.920
inappropriate tourist cabin Das which

01:03:08.000 --> 01:03:10.280
has led to immense frustration that they

01:03:10.360 --> 01:03:13.199
can't understand why this continues and

01:03:13.280 --> 01:03:14.960
developers take advantage of this

01:03:15.039 --> 01:03:16.639
because it's a gray area which they can

01:03:16.719 --> 01:03:18.719
maneuver

01:03:18.800 --> 01:03:22.000
in so the proposed solution is to

01:03:22.079 --> 01:03:23.960
characterize tourist cabins on a

01:03:24.039 --> 01:03:25.760
commercial farm so this isn't all

01:03:25.840 --> 01:03:27.519
tourist cabins it's just those that are

01:03:27.599 --> 01:03:30.800
on a commercial Farm as Farm stay

01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:34.039
accommodation which is a subterm of the

01:03:34.119 --> 01:03:37.719
LEP group term tourist and visitor

01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:39.440
accommodation that will provide

01:03:39.519 --> 01:03:41.719
certainty through LEP objectives

01:03:41.800 --> 01:03:44.599
controls and

01:03:44.679 --> 01:03:47.360
standards Farm stay accommodation in the

01:03:47.440 --> 01:03:50.079
lp uh means a building or place on a

01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:53.320
commercial Farm ancy to the farm used

01:03:53.400 --> 01:03:56.440
for temporary accommodation the P Clause

01:03:56.519 --> 01:03:59.840
5.4 includes controls that apply to farm

01:03:59.920 --> 01:04:02.199
stay

01:04:02.920 --> 01:04:05.760
accommodation the LEP definition for

01:04:05.840 --> 01:04:08.519
Farm stay sorry for a commercial Farm

01:04:08.599 --> 01:04:11.000
means a farm on which agriculture is

01:04:11.079 --> 01:04:14.280
undertaken on land either categorized as

01:04:14.360 --> 01:04:17.119
farmland or a primary production

01:04:17.199 --> 01:04:19.079
business and these are the two tests

01:04:19.159 --> 01:04:21.079
that are used in the agriturism planning

01:04:21.159 --> 01:04:22.719
Provisions which were brought in a year

01:04:22.800 --> 01:04:25.639
or so ago if either of these applies it

01:04:25.719 --> 01:04:28.119
is Agri tourism and the set Provisions

01:04:28.199 --> 01:04:31.599
apply so if we look at where we are

01:04:31.679 --> 01:04:35.280
currently  on the left you've got the

01:04:35.360 --> 01:04:38.320
 land siiz for a etc what we're

01:04:38.400 --> 01:04:40.880
talking about then First Coln is LEP

01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:43.039
what applies there second coln is the

01:04:43.119 --> 01:04:46.079
DCP third coln is the sep 

01:04:46.159 --> 01:04:48.280
Provisions currently it's only that

01:04:48.360 --> 01:04:50.320
middle coln if anyone puts a tourist

01:04:50.400 --> 01:04:53.199
cabin  proposal up that's all that

01:04:53.280 --> 01:04:56.400
applies tourist cabins minim 2 hectar

01:04:56.480 --> 01:04:59.840
uh land size maxim of 120 square m

01:04:59.920 --> 01:05:01.960
floor area and then in terms of the

01:05:02.039 --> 01:05:04.599
number one to two cabins per two

01:05:04.679 --> 01:05:07.599
hectares and then after that 2 hectares

01:05:07.679 --> 01:05:10.800
per cabin but in reality there is no

01:05:10.880 --> 01:05:13.480
maxim no maxim at all that's this

01:05:13.559 --> 01:05:15.719
question came up on the  bunkers Hill

01:05:15.800 --> 01:05:17.840
Road da that came here before there is

01:05:17.920 --> 01:05:19.440
no maxim you can have as many as you

01:05:19.519 --> 01:05:22.800
want now the maxim of 120 square m

01:05:22.880 --> 01:05:26.559
there for the DCP there was a VA went up

01:05:26.639 --> 01:05:29.000
through here that  applied for 200

01:05:29.079 --> 01:05:31.320
square m I was sitting in the court when

01:05:31.400 --> 01:05:32.840
the commissioner looked at that and she

01:05:32.920 --> 01:05:35.360
just said yeah that's fine so they're

01:05:35.440 --> 01:05:38.079
just guidelines that they're hopeless so

01:05:38.159 --> 01:05:40.679
if we can move to the LEP and SE

01:05:40.760 --> 01:05:43.000
protections then on the left hand side

01:05:43.079 --> 01:05:45.599
maxim of seven bedrooms on the right

01:05:45.679 --> 01:05:49.199
hand side under set minim land area 15

01:05:49.280 --> 01:05:52.480
hectares maxim size of the building 60

01:05:52.559 --> 01:05:56.400
square m and maxim six building in

01:05:56.480 --> 01:06:01.000
total so what we're proposing is that

01:06:01.079 --> 01:06:05.800
the the Nom is uh

01:06:06.239 --> 01:06:09.639
amended and to do that we're saying this

01:06:09.719 --> 01:06:12.840
is how we would achieve it when the Da

01:06:12.920 --> 01:06:15.199
comes up for tourist cabins in the pre-

01:06:15.280 --> 01:06:17.039
lodgment discussions when we're talking

01:06:17.119 --> 01:06:19.519
to the plan is talking to the applicant

01:06:19.599 --> 01:06:21.880
the staff will check is the is this land

01:06:21.960 --> 01:06:24.360
a commercial Farm is it Farmland

01:06:24.440 --> 01:06:26.360
categorized as farmland which Council

01:06:26.440 --> 01:06:28.519
has Council does that categorizing so

01:06:28.599 --> 01:06:31.119
it's on a council map or is it used for

01:06:31.199 --> 01:06:34.519
primary production if yes staff advised

01:06:34.599 --> 01:06:36.719
the applicant that the LEP and Agri

01:06:36.800 --> 01:06:39.400
tourism Provisions apply and the cabin

01:06:39.480 --> 01:06:43.119
should be categorized as Farm

01:06:43.199 --> 01:06:45.960
state if the applicant chooses to ignore

01:06:46.039 --> 01:06:48.320
that advice which is their prerogative

01:06:48.400 --> 01:06:50.599
then staff will formally advise the

01:06:50.679 --> 01:06:53.119
applicant during the assessment process

01:06:53.199 --> 01:06:55.079
that the cabins will be assessed as

01:06:55.159 --> 01:06:57.280
Farms St accommodation not the

01:06:57.360 --> 01:06:59.599
innominate term tourist

01:06:59.679 --> 01:07:02.039
Cabins this is not an unreasonable

01:07:02.119 --> 01:07:04.559
approach what would happen if a if an

01:07:04.639 --> 01:07:07.039
applicant put forward a hotel which is a

01:07:07.119 --> 01:07:09.719
subterm of the group term tourism visit

01:07:09.800 --> 01:07:12.280
accommodation and and categorized it as

01:07:12.360 --> 01:07:15.079
a tourist cabin are we saying that staff

01:07:15.159 --> 01:07:17.039
would then have to assess it as a

01:07:17.119 --> 01:07:19.800
tourist cabin that's time

01:07:19.880 --> 01:07:23.480
Stewart so okay I'll just so the the

01:07:23.559 --> 01:07:26.119
last slide

01:07:26.199 --> 01:07:28.840
it's the norm it's the amended nor great

01:07:28.920 --> 01:07:30.519
but that's sitting with councelor gray

01:07:30.599 --> 01:07:33.239
yes great all right I'll just check in

01:07:33.320 --> 01:07:35.280
councel is there any questions to sh it

01:07:35.360 --> 01:07:36.360
this

01:07:36.440 --> 01:07:38.760
evening okay we we can deal with any

01:07:38.840 --> 01:07:41.320
questions in the during the debate all

01:07:41.400 --> 01:07:44.079
right yep great thank you

01:07:44.159 --> 01:07:48.719
both uh can I call Lisa Martin

01:07:50.880 --> 01:07:53.400
now Lisa please feel free to take the

01:07:53.480 --> 01:07:55.199
shortcut through the center here and we

01:07:55.280 --> 01:07:56.239
will have you delivered to the

01:07:56.320 --> 01:08:00.199
microphone faster thank

01:08:00.880 --> 01:08:04.960
you welcome scary it's all right

01:08:05.039 --> 01:08:08.360
you've we're all here to listen and it's

01:08:08.440 --> 01:08:11.039
yeah thank you uh Madame mayor

01:08:11.119 --> 01:08:13.159
councilors and counsil

01:08:13.239 --> 01:08:16.920
staff why is pause for Shoalhaven asking

01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:20.319
you to vote in favor of a recision

01:08:20.399 --> 01:08:23.119
motion with respect to everybody in this

01:08:23.199 --> 01:08:25.560
room who have put in countless hours on

01:08:25.640 --> 01:08:28.399
this issue on both sides of the debate

01:08:28.479 --> 01:08:31.000
we the dog walking Community do not feel

01:08:31.079 --> 01:08:34.359
heard by the majority of influencers and

01:08:34.439 --> 01:08:36.319
decision makers on this

01:08:36.399 --> 01:08:38.800
Council this chamber discussed at the

01:08:38.880 --> 01:08:40.680
last ordinary meeting about the

01:08:40.760 --> 01:08:43.640
community not feeling informed I can

01:08:43.720 --> 01:08:45.760
assure you we feel well and truly

01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:49.479
informed what we don't feel is heard

01:08:49.560 --> 01:08:51.680
there seems to be a huge disconnect

01:08:51.760 --> 01:08:54.239
between the community and this Council

01:08:54.319 --> 01:08:57.159
on this issue let me help you understand

01:08:57.239 --> 01:08:58.399
where that where that feeling of

01:08:58.479 --> 01:09:01.359
Disconnect comes from it comes from the

01:09:01.439 --> 01:09:03.640
vast majority of correspondents to

01:09:03.720 --> 01:09:05.920
council and councilors from members of

01:09:06.000 --> 01:09:09.239
the community either not responded to or

01:09:09.319 --> 01:09:12.600
standard responses sent and I send a

01:09:12.680 --> 01:09:14.439
sincere thank you to those counselors

01:09:14.520 --> 01:09:17.520
who have engaged in individual

01:09:17.600 --> 01:09:20.000
responses it comes from knowing that the

01:09:20.079 --> 01:09:22.000
recommended buffer zone for the southern

01:09:22.079 --> 01:09:24.760
end of narrow Wally Beach exceeds the

01:09:24.840 --> 01:09:27.399
department of energy and environmental

01:09:27.479 --> 01:09:29.239
recommendations which results in the

01:09:29.319 --> 01:09:30.920
Victor Avenue stairs and the rocks and

01:09:31.000 --> 01:09:33.439
Beach immediately to the north becoming

01:09:33.520 --> 01:09:36.520
part of the dog prohibited area so in

01:09:36.600 --> 01:09:38.520
fact this is a choice that this Council

01:09:38.600 --> 01:09:41.399
has made it comes from Council so-called

01:09:41.479 --> 01:09:43.119
engagement activities limited to a

01:09:43.199 --> 01:09:45.640
flawed online survey and an online

01:09:45.720 --> 01:09:48.199
information and Q&A available only to

01:09:48.279 --> 01:09:49.840
those with access to appropriate

01:09:49.920 --> 01:09:52.079
technology and working knowledge of

01:09:52.159 --> 01:09:54.840
specific software it comes from hearing

01:09:54.920 --> 01:09:57.199
comments from some councelors words to

01:09:57.279 --> 01:09:59.760
the effect of we just want this to go

01:09:59.840 --> 01:10:01.560
away we need to make decisions to

01:10:01.640 --> 01:10:03.920
protect the reputation of council and

01:10:04.000 --> 01:10:05.560
we're sorry you're inconvenienced by

01:10:05.640 --> 01:10:08.159
having to walk an extra 200 M to access

01:10:08.239 --> 01:10:10.560
the beach which clearly demonstrates a

01:10:10.640 --> 01:10:13.520
lack of understanding of the whole issue

01:10:13.600 --> 01:10:15.199
it comes from being denied any

01:10:15.279 --> 01:10:17.199
opportunity to speak about the issue at

01:10:17.279 --> 01:10:19.560
the alad dala Community For which

01:10:19.640 --> 01:10:22.279
claims to be a conduit between Council

01:10:22.359 --> 01:10:24.640
and the community it comes from

01:10:24.720 --> 01:10:26.680
submissions and emails sent to council

01:10:26.760 --> 01:10:28.680
from various subject matter experts

01:10:28.760 --> 01:10:31.159
including a senior environmental

01:10:31.239 --> 01:10:33.000
sustainability leader with the New South

01:10:33.079 --> 01:10:35.439
Wales government Department a doctoral

01:10:35.520 --> 01:10:37.840
qualified policy researcher a

01:10:37.920 --> 01:10:39.840
veterinarian with over 50 years practice

01:10:39.920 --> 01:10:42.399
experience a qualified psychologist and

01:10:42.479 --> 01:10:44.720
even a risk management advisory

01:10:44.800 --> 01:10:47.399
consultant experienced in all areas of

01:10:47.479 --> 01:10:49.680
New South Wales local G development and

01:10:49.760 --> 01:10:51.760
relevant US southwes Departments

01:10:51.840 --> 01:10:54.840
associated with environmental issues and

01:10:54.920 --> 01:10:55.800
threat

01:10:55.880 --> 01:10:57.920
species as well as being doctoral

01:10:58.000 --> 01:11:00.680
qualified in environmental issues and

01:11:00.760 --> 01:11:02.439
yet these people have received little to

01:11:02.520 --> 01:11:05.039
no meaningful response to their

01:11:05.119 --> 01:11:07.199
correspondence so that might help you

01:11:07.279 --> 01:11:08.680
understand why we feel that council is

01:11:08.760 --> 01:11:10.520
not listening to us or hearing what

01:11:10.600 --> 01:11:13.079
we're trying to say we're aware that

01:11:13.159 --> 01:11:14.920
time constraints and workload pressures

01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:16.239
have prevented full and thorough

01:11:16.319 --> 01:11:17.880
consideration given to all

01:11:17.960 --> 01:11:20.000
correspondents which directly supports

01:11:20.079 --> 01:11:21.960
our concerns about this how this issue

01:11:22.039 --> 01:11:24.760
has been handled some councilors believe

01:11:24.840 --> 01:11:26.680
that the conditions provide a balanced

01:11:26.760 --> 01:11:28.880
outcome to the issue however under

01:11:28.960 --> 01:11:32.000
current conditions over 60% of the beach

01:11:32.079 --> 01:11:33.880
and the only two safe stairs to access

01:11:33.960 --> 01:11:37.239
the beach are prohibited to dog walkers

01:11:37.319 --> 01:11:40.920
100% of the time that leaves just over

01:11:41.000 --> 01:11:43.319
30% of the beach available for offleash

01:11:43.399 --> 01:11:46.159
activities during restricted hours that

01:11:46.239 --> 01:11:48.640
doesn't feel very balanced to me

01:11:48.720 --> 01:11:50.359
unfortunately the dog walking Community

01:11:50.439 --> 01:11:52.840
has lost faith in this council's ability

01:11:52.920 --> 01:11:54.720
to consider this issue without prejudice

01:11:54.800 --> 01:11:58.000
or B bias to hear may may Finlay speak

01:11:58.079 --> 01:11:59.680
about her personal experience and

01:11:59.760 --> 01:12:01.960
opinions or biased against dogs on

01:12:02.039 --> 01:12:05.359
narrow w beach is concerning for these

01:12:05.439 --> 01:12:07.479
reasons we would respectfully request

01:12:07.560 --> 01:12:10.279
that this current Council votes in favor

01:12:10.359 --> 01:12:13.199
of the recision motion my last point to

01:12:13.279 --> 01:12:15.039
make is that pause for sha Haven should

01:12:15.119 --> 01:12:17.119
be a valuable asset to the council we're

01:12:17.199 --> 01:12:19.520
not your enemy we a large group of

01:12:19.600 --> 01:12:21.520
passionate intelligent community-minded

01:12:21.600 --> 01:12:23.520
environmentally concerned individuals

01:12:23.600 --> 01:12:26.239
United in our goal for Equitable safe

01:12:26.319 --> 01:12:28.079
and suitable access to appropriate

01:12:28.159 --> 01:12:30.560
offleash areas and in this instance we

01:12:30.640 --> 01:12:33.279
are talking about narrow Wally Beach

01:12:33.359 --> 01:12:34.920
pause foral Haven would like to work

01:12:35.000 --> 01:12:37.159
with local Council to help inform policy

01:12:37.239 --> 01:12:38.640
that is in the best interest of the

01:12:38.720 --> 01:12:40.640
whole of the community and the

01:12:40.720 --> 01:12:42.479
environment where the needs of all

01:12:42.560 --> 01:12:44.159
people are considered that means that

01:12:44.239 --> 01:12:46.520
this issue will be raised at the new

01:12:46.600 --> 01:12:48.319
Council regardless of the outcome of

01:12:48.399 --> 01:12:50.479
tonight's vote however I would still

01:12:50.560 --> 01:12:52.760
urge counselors those retiring and those

01:12:52.840 --> 01:12:55.159
standing for reelection as a sign of

01:12:55.239 --> 01:12:56.880
good faith to the dog owners of sha

01:12:56.960 --> 01:12:59.680
Haven to please vote in favor of the

01:12:59.760 --> 01:13:03.199
recision motion thank you perfect timing

01:13:03.279 --> 01:13:05.399
thank you Lisa stay there I'll just

01:13:05.479 --> 01:13:06.880
check in and see if there any questions

01:13:06.960 --> 01:13:09.640
to Lisa this

01:13:10.760 --> 01:13:13.159
evening there were but  with time

01:13:13.239 --> 01:13:14.600
restraints I didn't want to slow

01:13:14.680 --> 01:13:17.600
anything down by talking asking about

01:13:17.680 --> 01:13:19.840
that but there were Paul yes thank you

01:13:19.920 --> 01:13:21.560
maybe you could provide that to the

01:13:21.640 --> 01:13:23.560
council staff and they can circulate

01:13:23.640 --> 01:13:26.199
that for you I I sent I'll talk to

01:13:26.279 --> 01:13:30.199
whoever can I ask a question yes yes you

01:13:30.279 --> 01:13:31.920
can thank you very much for your

01:13:32.000 --> 01:13:33.880
deputation in one of the emails I

01:13:33.960 --> 01:13:36.279
received someone raised the issue of a a

01:13:36.359 --> 01:13:39.239
platform that was in a natural area

01:13:39.319 --> 01:13:41.800
close by are you told about the surface

01:13:41.880 --> 01:13:45.119
avenue stairs no the new platform a

01:13:45.199 --> 01:13:47.800
viewing platform yes yeah where was that

01:13:47.880 --> 01:13:51.720
how close is it okay that is the very a

01:13:51.800 --> 01:13:54.439
question for our director after okay

01:13:54.520 --> 01:13:57.359
thank you councelor kotash the new

01:13:57.439 --> 01:13:59.159
viewing platform if that's the one

01:13:59.239 --> 01:14:01.039
you're referring to is at the very

01:14:01.119 --> 01:14:04.720
southern end of narrow w beach it's on

01:14:04.800 --> 01:14:07.399
surface

01:14:10.640 --> 01:14:12.840
avenue sorry did that answer your

01:14:12.920 --> 01:14:16.079
question thank you great any further

01:14:16.159 --> 01:14:19.640
questions none thank you very much Lisa

01:14:19.720 --> 01:14:21.159
Sally

01:14:21.239 --> 01:14:26.039
Stewart are you in the room

01:14:28.920 --> 01:14:30.279
it's all right take your time thanks

01:14:30.359 --> 01:14:33.439
Sally come on down to the

01:14:38.800 --> 01:14:40.960
microphone Sally's here this evening

01:14:41.039 --> 01:14:42.960
councilors to speak on the Milton nadala

01:14:43.039 --> 01:14:46.640
Bulldogs Rugby League Football

01:14:46.720 --> 01:14:50.359
Club thank you and welcome thank you I

01:14:50.439 --> 01:14:52.600
did have a video presentation too was

01:14:52.680 --> 01:14:54.000
that fine just to play in the background

01:14:54.079 --> 01:14:56.880
while I speak that's right good evening

01:14:56.960 --> 01:14:58.960
my name is Sally SCH and I'm the

01:14:59.039 --> 01:15:00.840
secretary of the Milton Dollar Bulldog

01:15:00.920 --> 01:15:02.960
senior Rugby League Football Club and a

01:15:03.039 --> 01:15:04.880
dedicated volunteer for our community

01:15:04.960 --> 01:15:06.560
and sporting club and I thank you for

01:15:06.640 --> 01:15:09.319
having me here tonight I am here to seek

01:15:09.399 --> 01:15:11.359
a resolution of council to allow the

01:15:11.439 --> 01:15:13.560
club to construct a new amenities block

01:15:13.640 --> 01:15:15.239
that will have appropriate facilities

01:15:15.319 --> 01:15:18.279
for men and women at Bill anderi

01:15:18.359 --> 01:15:20.880
oval over the past few years our club

01:15:20.960 --> 01:15:22.760
has experienced growth especially among

01:15:22.840 --> 01:15:25.119
our female teams we currently have have

01:15:25.199 --> 01:15:27.319
seven senior teams with four of these

01:15:27.399 --> 01:15:29.479
being female teams and next year we'll

01:15:29.560 --> 01:15:32.079
have female players that are only 16

01:15:32.159 --> 01:15:33.560
years of

01:15:33.640 --> 01:15:36.159
age all of these teams share a single

01:15:36.239 --> 01:15:38.079
change room with only three shower heads

01:15:38.159 --> 01:15:40.720
and one toilet visiting teams face

01:15:40.800 --> 01:15:42.600
similar conditions lacking even a

01:15:42.680 --> 01:15:44.199
privacy screen for their

01:15:44.279 --> 01:15:46.840
showers our players are forced to endure

01:15:46.920 --> 01:15:49.159
an uncomfortable and unacceptable

01:15:49.239 --> 01:15:51.439
environment the discomfort and

01:15:51.520 --> 01:15:53.359
inconvenience our female players face

01:15:53.439 --> 01:15:55.359
each week is a major issue

01:15:55.439 --> 01:15:58.720
with zero privacy available to them at a

01:15:58.800 --> 01:16:00.399
time when the NRL is actively

01:16:00.479 --> 01:16:02.319
encouraging women to participate we have

01:16:02.399 --> 01:16:06.680
no facilities to cater for 50% of the

01:16:06.760 --> 01:16:08.680
population in addition to the lack of

01:16:08.760 --> 01:16:10.600
change room facilities the main toilet

01:16:10.680 --> 01:16:13.239
block has which has four toilets two of

01:16:13.319 --> 01:16:15.199
which are out of service one of the

01:16:15.279 --> 01:16:17.640
toilets that is closed is a handicapp

01:16:17.720 --> 01:16:19.720
toilet we have been advised that the

01:16:19.800 --> 01:16:21.720
sewer system under the building requires

01:16:21.800 --> 01:16:23.840
repairs estimated to be

01:16:23.920 --> 01:16:26.199
$20,000 due to financial constraints

01:16:26.279 --> 01:16:28.159
Council has advi advised they cannot

01:16:28.239 --> 01:16:31.039
fund these repairs forcing us to close

01:16:31.119 --> 01:16:33.960
the toilets or risk  sewage into the

01:16:34.039 --> 01:16:36.479
area on game day if this happens all the

01:16:36.560 --> 01:16:39.600
toilets are then closed off to the

01:16:39.680 --> 01:16:42.000
public the current facilities were built

01:16:42.079 --> 01:16:44.760
in 1958 and are well pass their years by

01:16:44.840 --> 01:16:47.800
date in 2022 the club applied for a

01:16:47.880 --> 01:16:49.399
grant through the stronger country

01:16:49.479 --> 01:16:51.800
Community funds for a new amenities

01:16:51.880 --> 01:16:54.079
block this was with the support of sh

01:16:54.159 --> 01:16:56.000
Haven Council Who provided a letter of

01:16:56.079 --> 01:16:58.640
support when we applied for this grant

01:16:58.720 --> 01:17:00.239
since being awarded this grant the

01:17:00.319 --> 01:17:02.000
football club has collaborated with

01:17:02.079 --> 01:17:04.439
Council staff and to and a planner Tony

01:17:04.520 --> 01:17:06.560
blazic to develop plans for this project

01:17:06.640 --> 01:17:09.039
and for this we are thankful it was only

01:17:09.119 --> 01:17:10.600
recently that we learned of shell Haven

01:17:10.680 --> 01:17:12.960
council's Financial challenges and the

01:17:13.039 --> 01:17:14.920
decisions of this Council in minutes

01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:18.720
23.66 7 and

01:17:23.840 --> 01:17:26.760
24.44% due to depreciation

01:17:26.840 --> 01:17:29.479
costs when Council has voted on this I'm

01:17:29.560 --> 01:17:32.119
sure that you did not mean to include

01:17:32.199 --> 01:17:34.560
projects the grants had already been

01:17:34.640 --> 01:17:36.159
received and supported by Council during

01:17:36.239 --> 01:17:39.039
the application

01:17:39.399 --> 01:17:41.760
process concerns were also raised by

01:17:41.840 --> 01:17:43.199
Council staff that we did not have

01:17:43.279 --> 01:17:44.720
adequate funding for the new amenities

01:17:44.800 --> 01:17:46.359
and the feasibility of the potentially

01:17:46.439 --> 01:17:48.319
staging the project or just renovating

01:17:48.399 --> 01:17:50.000
the existing amenities we have

01:17:50.079 --> 01:17:52.000
thoroughly explored all options to align

01:17:52.079 --> 01:17:53.520
with both the council's requirements and

01:17:53.600 --> 01:17:55.439
our club needs

01:17:55.520 --> 01:17:57.159
following these concerns the club

01:17:57.239 --> 01:17:59.760
evaluated all Alternatives in in

01:17:59.840 --> 01:18:01.720
including the renovation of the existing

01:18:01.800 --> 01:18:04.039
structure the club consulted with Ian

01:18:04.119 --> 01:18:06.159
Fleming at the Fleming group Ian's

01:18:06.239 --> 01:18:08.119
advice confirmed that constructing new

01:18:08.199 --> 01:18:10.640
facilities would be far would be far

01:18:10.720 --> 01:18:12.319
more cost effective than trying to

01:18:12.399 --> 01:18:15.800
renovate a structure that was built in

01:18:15.880 --> 01:18:18.960
1958 our objective our objective is to

01:18:19.039 --> 01:18:20.600
develop functional facilities that

01:18:20.680 --> 01:18:22.600
include toilets change rooms and a safe

01:18:22.680 --> 01:18:24.279
environment for our players particularly

01:18:24.359 --> 01:18:26.600
the women's teams with the grant funding

01:18:26.680 --> 01:18:28.479
secured and significant inclin

01:18:28.560 --> 01:18:30.760
sponsorships for materials and labor we

01:18:30.840 --> 01:18:33.079
are positioned to move forward with

01:18:33.159 --> 01:18:35.399
construction the club is also willing to

01:18:35.479 --> 01:18:37.119
assist Council by establishing a

01:18:37.199 --> 01:18:39.079
dedicated maintenance fund through our

01:18:39.159 --> 01:18:41.800
grounds committee and entering in into a

01:18:41.880 --> 01:18:43.600
memorand of understanding with Council

01:18:43.680 --> 01:18:46.239
in regard to this additionally we have

01:18:46.319 --> 01:18:48.319
engaged Dave trodden CEO of New South

01:18:48.399 --> 01:18:50.239
Wales rugby league to assist in

01:18:50.319 --> 01:18:51.920
discussions with Council to explore

01:18:52.000 --> 01:18:53.319
other

01:18:53.399 --> 01:18:56.399
options we respect respectfully request

01:18:56.479 --> 01:18:57.920
councilors

01:18:58.000 --> 01:19:00.359
support to approve the construction of

01:19:00.439 --> 01:19:02.520
these amenities and ask that you exclude

01:19:02.600 --> 01:19:05.039
the Milton Lela football club from Min

01:19:05.119 --> 01:19:08.319
23.66 7.3 which states that no

01:19:08.399 --> 01:19:10.039
infrastructure to be taken on without a

01:19:10.119 --> 01:19:12.920
full business case being in place two

01:19:13.000 --> 01:19:14.880
approve with proceedings of the

01:19:14.960 --> 01:19:17.359
plans that we have tonight on the screen

01:19:17.439 --> 01:19:19.920
to move forward and then get engine need

01:19:20.000 --> 01:19:22.720
plans three if required Council staff

01:19:22.800 --> 01:19:24.840
undertake any review of environment

01:19:24.920 --> 01:19:26.640
effects or Aboriginal Heritage impact

01:19:26.720 --> 01:19:29.760
permit and four amend the existing da

01:19:29.840 --> 01:19:31.840
previously previously submitted to

01:19:31.920 --> 01:19:33.680
reflect the current plans rather than

01:19:33.760 --> 01:19:37.399
submitting a whole new development

01:19:37.479 --> 01:19:40.399
application thank you great so I'm stay

01:19:40.479 --> 01:19:42.840
there and just checking in with the

01:19:42.920 --> 01:19:44.800
councilors councilors are there any

01:19:44.880 --> 01:19:47.079
questions to Sally this evening yeah

01:19:47.159 --> 01:19:49.479
I've just got a quick Council

01:19:49.560 --> 01:19:53.760
what  so the existing da which if my

01:19:53.840 --> 01:19:55.680
memory serves me correct was taken out

01:19:55.760 --> 01:19:57.239
in about

01:19:57.319 --> 01:20:00.119
2014  that has been deemed commenced

01:20:00.199 --> 01:20:02.079
by Council hasn't it because there was

01:20:02.159 --> 01:20:04.840
substantial work done  to make it

01:20:04.920 --> 01:20:07.840
deemed  commencement are you aware of

01:20:07.920 --> 01:20:09.760
that from Tony

01:20:09.840 --> 01:20:11.880
Harman 

01:20:11.960 --> 01:20:15.239
me yes I think it was 2011 it was part

01:20:15.319 --> 01:20:17.960
of the master plan which was submitted

01:20:18.039 --> 01:20:20.520
uh I did have some U material dropped

01:20:20.600 --> 01:20:22.520
off to me by Tony today I wasn't aware

01:20:22.600 --> 01:20:25.039
that it was approved but yeah I have

01:20:25.119 --> 01:20:28.399
that now it's been approved

01:20:28.479 --> 01:20:33.640
yeah council do Sally  you said that

01:20:33.720 --> 01:20:35.520
you've organized  for like a

01:20:35.600 --> 01:20:37.560
maintenance crew so that you take a

01:20:37.640 --> 01:20:39.840
little bit of the pressure off Council

01:20:39.920 --> 01:20:44.000
to like finance and maintain the  the

01:20:44.079 --> 01:20:46.920
grounds how how is that going to work

01:20:47.000 --> 01:20:49.359
within your club like is are there

01:20:49.439 --> 01:20:51.119
dedicated volunteers that know that

01:20:51.199 --> 01:20:52.920
these jobs have to be

01:20:53.000 --> 01:20:55.720
done is there AIT the memorand with

01:20:55.800 --> 01:20:58.239
council is it well we actually so there

01:20:58.319 --> 01:21:00.039
was two things that were discussed so

01:21:00.119 --> 01:21:02.680
the CEO of New South Wales rby League

01:21:02.760 --> 01:21:04.359
they have Grassroots initiatives and

01:21:04.439 --> 01:21:06.640
they have  private funding that can

01:21:06.720 --> 01:21:08.359
come through on help which he did write

01:21:08.439 --> 01:21:11.119
a letter to council I believe and then

01:21:11.199 --> 01:21:12.800
the other option is that we have a

01:21:12.880 --> 01:21:16.640
grounds committee yeah and with the

01:21:16.720 --> 01:21:18.840
funding through that and we can allocate

01:21:18.920 --> 01:21:20.560
by our budget certain amount of money

01:21:20.640 --> 01:21:22.680
aside to ensure that we're looking after

01:21:22.760 --> 01:21:26.079
that for five or 10 period just so that

01:21:26.159 --> 01:21:27.600
we can get this across the line like we

01:21:27.680 --> 01:21:28.319
know

01:21:28.399 --> 01:21:30.960
that council's got Financial issues so

01:21:31.039 --> 01:21:32.359
we're just willing to do whatever we can

01:21:32.439 --> 01:21:34.720
to get these women adequate change rooms

01:21:34.800 --> 01:21:39.399
yep thanks thank you further questions

01:21:39.479 --> 01:21:41.920
councilors no thank you for being here

01:21:42.000 --> 01:21:44.800
this evening thank

01:21:44.880 --> 01:21:48.359
you Suzanne Hammond war and Bill McKuen

01:21:48.439 --> 01:21:51.079
uh they next to address us on the

01:21:51.159 --> 01:21:53.239
request for an eoi process regarding the

01:21:53.319 --> 01:21:57.399
lease of the building at sgate

01:22:12.319 --> 01:22:15.079
overal thank you both for being here h

01:22:15.159 --> 01:22:17.359
Hello welc done so Wing man and wing

01:22:17.439 --> 01:22:19.199
woman how is this going to work who's

01:22:19.279 --> 01:22:21.840
I'm speaking Bill's answering questions

01:22:21.920 --> 01:22:24.760
great all right five five minutes and

01:22:24.840 --> 01:22:26.800
way absolutely so my name is Sue and I

01:22:26.880 --> 01:22:30.439
represented of Bader Nar liance Club 

01:22:30.520 --> 01:22:31.960
I'm an eager volunteer for that

01:22:32.039 --> 01:22:34.640
wonderful organization so Madame mayor

01:22:34.720 --> 01:22:37.119
Shel Haven City councilors ladies and

01:22:37.199 --> 01:22:40.880
gentlemen Mader Nara Lions Club have

01:22:40.960 --> 01:22:42.640
been trying for nearly eight years to

01:22:42.720 --> 01:22:45.119
gain storage facilities for our truck

01:22:45.199 --> 01:22:48.920
catering that Caravan fridges freezers

01:22:49.000 --> 01:22:51.279
and other items we require to run our

01:22:51.359 --> 01:22:53.960
club we've tried with Shel Haven Council

01:22:54.039 --> 01:22:56.840
over the years and several other outside

01:22:56.920 --> 01:22:59.640
local companies during this time to gain

01:22:59.720 --> 01:23:02.800
a storage facility we currently have

01:23:02.880 --> 01:23:05.239
items stored at members homes some of

01:23:05.319 --> 01:23:07.920
whom have passed during this time the

01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:09.880
items are stored at eight separate

01:23:09.960 --> 01:23:14.039
locations between Berry bomaderry Nara

01:23:14.119 --> 01:23:17.399
West Nara and narrow Hill when it comes

01:23:17.479 --> 01:23:19.760
to organizing larger events such as the

01:23:19.840 --> 01:23:21.960
joint bombad narrow lines and the Shel

01:23:22.039 --> 01:23:24.399
Hoven City Council chos in the park it

01:23:24.479 --> 01:23:26.319
becomes an absolute nightmare collecting

01:23:26.399 --> 01:23:27.960
the necessary equipment that we need for

01:23:28.039 --> 01:23:28.760
these

01:23:28.840 --> 01:23:30.920
functions we are only asking for a

01:23:31.000 --> 01:23:33.159
storage facility we are not asking for a

01:23:33.239 --> 01:23:36.079
meeting place shell Haven Council have

01:23:36.159 --> 01:23:37.880
offered us several possibilities in the

01:23:37.960 --> 01:23:40.680
past and in and around Council

01:23:40.760 --> 01:23:44.039
facilities including ilua Road fire shed

01:23:44.119 --> 01:23:46.359
which was awarded to another group

01:23:46.439 --> 01:23:49.359
McIntyre way and the land at the Bomer

01:23:49.439 --> 01:23:52.880
Community Center finally sh hen Council

01:23:52.960 --> 01:23:54.800
have suggested the building at serate

01:23:54.880 --> 01:23:57.319
over Bomer which has been bacon for

01:23:57.399 --> 01:23:59.560
several years this would they feel that

01:23:59.640 --> 01:24:01.840
this would be appropriate for our needs

01:24:01.920 --> 01:24:04.239
this site would be ideal for us it is

01:24:04.319 --> 01:24:06.399
centrally located with excellent access

01:24:06.479 --> 01:24:09.239
for our truck and large catering Caravan

01:24:09.319 --> 01:24:11.600
there are several modifications required

01:24:11.680 --> 01:24:13.760
to the building to suit our needs

01:24:13.840 --> 01:24:15.720
however we understand the current

01:24:15.800 --> 01:24:18.800
financial position of shelen council and

01:24:18.880 --> 01:24:21.319
we are prepared to fund the alterations

01:24:21.399 --> 01:24:22.560
to the building

01:24:22.640 --> 01:24:24.680
ourselves we believe that current

01:24:24.760 --> 01:24:26.199
standing of our alliance Club in the

01:24:26.279 --> 01:24:28.199
community is strong enough to approach

01:24:28.279 --> 01:24:30.520
local businesses for assistance with the

01:24:30.600 --> 01:24:32.840
modifications and we'll also be asking

01:24:32.920 --> 01:24:34.720
for Grants from state and federal

01:24:34.800 --> 01:24:37.680
governments for the project Council have

01:24:37.760 --> 01:24:39.800
already engaged consultants and an

01:24:39.880 --> 01:24:42.520
architect for the project at zgate

01:24:42.600 --> 01:24:44.680
however the quote from the architect was

01:24:44.760 --> 01:24:46.399
totally cost prohibitive for other

01:24:46.479 --> 01:24:49.159
modifications that we require we have

01:24:49.239 --> 01:24:50.960
since made initial approaches to

01:24:51.039 --> 01:24:53.720
builders and we believe we can achieve

01:24:53.800 --> 01:24:56.760
the modific ations that we require for a

01:24:56.840 --> 01:24:59.279
fraction of the costs suggested by The

01:24:59.359 --> 01:25:01.439
Architects the building will be modified

01:25:01.520 --> 01:25:03.199
with materials consistent with the

01:25:03.279 --> 01:25:04.239
existing

01:25:04.319 --> 01:25:06.640
building we have commenced initial

01:25:06.720 --> 01:25:08.680
planning and costings and we believe we

01:25:08.760 --> 01:25:10.840
can achieve a very pleasant working

01:25:10.920 --> 01:25:13.760
storage facility for our needs in line

01:25:13.840 --> 01:25:15.560
with the surrounding buildings and the

01:25:15.640 --> 01:25:16.760
community

01:25:16.840 --> 01:25:19.159
facilities we have met with executive

01:25:19.239 --> 01:25:21.159
members of the Bomer Community

01:25:21.239 --> 01:25:23.960
incorporation and after extensive talks

01:25:24.039 --> 01:25:25.720
we believe we have answered all of their

01:25:25.800 --> 01:25:27.840
concerns regarding lies having a storage

01:25:27.920 --> 01:25:31.800
shed near the dog park Bader n allines

01:25:31.880 --> 01:25:33.359
wish to enter into a reasonably

01:25:33.439 --> 01:25:36.039
long-term lease with Shel Haven Council

01:25:36.119 --> 01:25:38.279
for the use of the building at thir gate

01:25:38.359 --> 01:25:41.279
overal further as we will be undertaking

01:25:41.359 --> 01:25:43.720
all of the modifications at our cost we

01:25:43.800 --> 01:25:45.359
are requesting that all of council's

01:25:45.439 --> 01:25:47.960
charges be waved we are totally prepared

01:25:48.039 --> 01:25:50.720
to complete the modifications to council

01:25:50.800 --> 01:25:53.359
specifications if shaven Council can

01:25:53.439 --> 01:25:55.560
please grant us relas for this building

01:25:55.640 --> 01:25:57.520
we could start applying for Grants to

01:25:57.600 --> 01:25:59.119
initiate the constructions we so

01:25:59.199 --> 01:26:01.920
urgently need we have recently suffered

01:26:02.000 --> 01:26:04.319
an attempted break into our van and we

01:26:04.399 --> 01:26:06.920
wish to have it secured and somewhere

01:26:07.000 --> 01:26:09.279
secure and that place could be surade

01:26:09.359 --> 01:26:11.920
over where our van would be safe from

01:26:12.000 --> 01:26:14.640
such break-ins we sincerely hope that

01:26:14.720 --> 01:26:16.960
Shel City councilors will support this

01:26:17.039 --> 01:26:20.239
motion we urgently need it thank you

01:26:20.319 --> 01:26:22.479
thank you suzan

01:26:22.560 --> 01:26:25.000
stay let me just check in councilors are

01:26:25.079 --> 01:26:28.560
there any questions to the right yep yep

01:26:28.640 --> 01:26:29.680
councelor

01:26:29.760 --> 01:26:32.560
gray thank you sue for your deputation

01:26:32.640 --> 01:26:34.319
and perhaps the question goes over to

01:26:34.399 --> 01:26:36.640
the gentleman and that is we just saw

01:26:36.720 --> 01:26:38.239
the last depues they reached a

01:26:38.319 --> 01:26:39.760
compromise and we're going to hear

01:26:39.840 --> 01:26:42.319
someone who have something else to say

01:26:42.399 --> 01:26:45.159
at the moment is there any way you will

01:26:45.239 --> 01:26:48.239
perhaps work with the dog Club that's

01:26:48.319 --> 01:26:51.159
there to help them come to a compromise

01:26:51.239 --> 01:26:53.640
between the two needs because I know

01:26:53.720 --> 01:26:56.079
they want that building and you want

01:26:56.159 --> 01:26:58.680
that building is there any little give

01:26:58.760 --> 01:27:03.239
Point uh we have offered them some room

01:27:03.319 --> 01:27:05.840
in the we have offered some room for

01:27:05.920 --> 01:27:08.800
them but they came back to us and I

01:27:08.880 --> 01:27:10.800
shouldn't maybe say this they said oh we

01:27:10.880 --> 01:27:15.119
you trying to bribe us we thought ah no

01:27:15.199 --> 01:27:16.880
we're trying to help

01:27:16.960 --> 01:27:19.600
you we want to help them okay that's all

01:27:19.680 --> 01:27:21.159
I needed to know that you're willing to

01:27:21.239 --> 01:27:24.159
listen and work yeah fabulous thank you

01:27:24.239 --> 01:27:28.439
thank you any councelor cot thank you

01:27:28.520 --> 01:27:30.600
very thank you may Finley and thank you

01:27:30.680 --> 01:27:32.239
very much for your deputation guys I was

01:27:32.319 --> 01:27:34.800
going to ask after other Lions groups

01:27:34.880 --> 01:27:37.119
around the place  for example the bay

01:27:37.199 --> 01:27:38.920
and Basin I know there's a great Lions

01:27:39.000 --> 01:27:40.520
Club they get out they make they have a

01:27:40.600 --> 01:27:42.159
big truck they come they make sausages

01:27:42.239 --> 01:27:44.079
Etc what do they do with their gear do

01:27:44.159 --> 01:27:46.399
you know they probably have a building

01:27:46.479 --> 01:27:49.960
already that I know the uh huskerson

01:27:50.039 --> 01:27:52.560
have theirs they they've all got sheds

01:27:52.640 --> 01:27:55.880
or something else we don't have that I

01:27:55.960 --> 01:27:57.159
was leading you to that because there's

01:27:57.239 --> 01:28:00.319
a Shar at Errol Bay  Park that you

01:28:00.399 --> 01:28:02.800
guys have down there that keep they they

01:28:02.880 --> 01:28:08.159
do have facilities not us not us that's

01:28:08.239 --> 01:28:11.479
right any further questions councils

01:28:11.560 --> 01:28:13.359
right thank you both for being here M

01:28:13.439 --> 01:28:15.960
okay thank you

01:28:17.039 --> 01:28:20.920
madam can I call on Kylie Knight now to

01:28:21.000 --> 01:28:22.720
uh give an

01:28:22.800 --> 01:28:24.720
alternative to

01:28:24.800 --> 01:28:26.880
that motion Kylie wishes to speak

01:28:26.960 --> 01:28:30.079
against the mo the

01:28:40.680 --> 01:28:43.680
recommendation

01:28:44.000 --> 01:28:47.319
welcome hello my name's Kylie and I'm

01:28:47.399 --> 01:28:49.399
with Bomer Community Inc and I'm one of

01:28:49.479 --> 01:28:51.159
the crazy people involved with the dog

01:28:51.239 --> 01:28:54.760
park so  first and foremost

01:28:54.840 --> 01:28:56.239
I just want to put out there that we

01:28:56.319 --> 01:28:59.079
admire and love Lions immensely they've

01:28:59.159 --> 01:29:01.119
supported us we've worked with them in

01:29:01.199 --> 01:29:03.960
the past they deserve a home and they

01:29:04.039 --> 01:29:05.880
deserve a home that is better than

01:29:05.960 --> 01:29:07.600
what's been offered to them after eight

01:29:07.680 --> 01:29:10.800
years just going to put it out there 

01:29:10.880 --> 01:29:12.680
so I'm going to be speaking against it

01:29:12.760 --> 01:29:15.520
however uh and I'll tell you why I moved

01:29:15.600 --> 01:29:18.279
to badary in

01:29:18.359 --> 01:29:21.479
2016 uh I've had dogs for over 30 years

01:29:21.560 --> 01:29:24.119
and within 6 months my 12 and

01:29:24.199 --> 01:29:25.239
half-year-old

01:29:25.319 --> 01:29:27.039
Labradoodle was

01:29:27.119 --> 01:29:30.800
muled  we'd been walking at the

01:29:30.880 --> 01:29:34.000
designated offleash area for Bomer which

01:29:34.079 --> 01:29:36.359
wasn't fenced it wasn't lit it had no

01:29:36.439 --> 01:29:39.640
water no bins no bags no signage it was

01:29:39.720 --> 01:29:42.239
a shared space where children played

01:29:42.319 --> 01:29:44.960
sport and walked to and from

01:29:45.039 --> 01:29:48.319
school when I reported  the attack the

01:29:48.399 --> 01:29:50.640
Rangers suggested I go to the Nar showr

01:29:50.720 --> 01:29:52.600
cuz it was safer than

01:29:52.680 --> 01:29:55.560
balader  so so I went into Nara and I

01:29:55.640 --> 01:29:57.399
was met by a group of women in camp

01:29:57.479 --> 01:29:59.479
chairs and one of them particularly

01:29:59.560 --> 01:30:01.760
liked to scream at other dog owners they

01:30:01.840 --> 01:30:03.800
like to scream at one another and on

01:30:03.880 --> 01:30:05.680
occasion you know they'd have a crack at

01:30:05.760 --> 01:30:09.000
anybody walking past so that was kind of

01:30:09.079 --> 01:30:11.960
really unpalatable  I'd come across

01:30:12.039 --> 01:30:14.560
from a neighboring LGA things were

01:30:14.640 --> 01:30:16.640
beautiful the difference that I

01:30:16.720 --> 01:30:19.800
discovered coming to the Shell Haven was

01:30:19.880 --> 01:30:21.600
insane

01:30:21.680 --> 01:30:24.439
okay so anyway I kept going to the showr

01:30:24.520 --> 01:30:25.960
and I tried really hard to avoid the

01:30:26.039 --> 01:30:28.039
angry women who screamed at everyone

01:30:28.119 --> 01:30:30.640
ignore the drug deals that were obvious

01:30:30.720 --> 01:30:33.439
and in front of everybody's faces uh the

01:30:33.520 --> 01:30:35.199
street Racers who get up there and like

01:30:35.279 --> 01:30:37.800
to try and tear everyone out uh the dog

01:30:37.880 --> 01:30:40.479
fights that are repeated and ongoing and

01:30:40.560 --> 01:30:43.560
even the owner to owner fights so so

01:30:43.640 --> 01:30:46.119
that was poo I don't have kids  I was

01:30:46.199 --> 01:30:48.039
new to the area and I like making

01:30:48.119 --> 01:30:50.199
friends through my dogs so you can see

01:30:50.279 --> 01:30:52.359
that the introduction to the Shell Haven

01:30:52.439 --> 01:30:54.399
and the dog culture here pretty

01:30:54.479 --> 01:30:58.199
average  so I wrote to Council in July

01:30:58.279 --> 01:31:01.119
2017 I have a letter  with some

01:31:01.199 --> 01:31:02.760
suggestions about how we can improve the

01:31:02.840 --> 01:31:04.239
dog culture in

01:31:04.319 --> 01:31:06.720
Bomer  I can give you that

01:31:06.800 --> 01:31:09.199
too I didn't get a response back for

01:31:09.279 --> 01:31:12.840
months  yeah so I've never experienced

01:31:12.920 --> 01:31:14.800
anything like it I kept looking around

01:31:14.880 --> 01:31:16.399
there was a padic in Bomer that was

01:31:16.479 --> 01:31:18.439
mostly overgrown and unused I walked

01:31:18.520 --> 01:31:20.199
through it picked up a few needles

01:31:20.279 --> 01:31:22.680
kicked around a couple of bongs and uh

01:31:22.760 --> 01:31:24.039
looked at a few bits of rubbish and I

01:31:24.119 --> 01:31:27.119
went we can work with this okay and

01:31:27.199 --> 01:31:29.720
that's how the bomo dog bowl was

01:31:29.800 --> 01:31:32.920
conceived councelor white God lover uh

01:31:33.000 --> 01:31:34.640
she bought the business case to council

01:31:34.720 --> 01:31:36.960
and for the first time ever something

01:31:37.039 --> 01:31:40.359
dog related got through  unanimously

01:31:40.439 --> 01:31:41.840
okay it was like yep you want to use

01:31:41.920 --> 01:31:43.520
this bit of ground that has been written

01:31:43.600 --> 01:31:45.680
off the sport awesome fantastic let's

01:31:45.760 --> 01:31:48.399
find a use for it  so we did that

01:31:48.479 --> 01:31:50.279
that's great we were excited people in

01:31:50.359 --> 01:31:51.840
bom are excited they were going to have

01:31:51.920 --> 01:31:53.319
something great for the town that was

01:31:53.399 --> 01:31:56.279
free it was unique it was somewhere that

01:31:56.359 --> 01:31:57.960
dogs could go without having competing

01:31:58.039 --> 01:32:01.279
with sports and such  it was exciting

01:32:01.359 --> 01:32:02.640
uh everything was going great we

01:32:02.720 --> 01:32:04.680
consulted experts we got some amazing

01:32:04.760 --> 01:32:09.239
designers we we raised 250,000 in kind

01:32:09.319 --> 01:32:12.079
support designs ready to go and start

01:32:12.159 --> 01:32:14.560
and then everything ground to a halt

01:32:14.640 --> 01:32:16.399
Council stepped in they told us they

01:32:16.479 --> 01:32:18.720
were going to project manage and said we

01:32:18.800 --> 01:32:22.239
needed a site survey engineering plans

01:32:22.319 --> 01:32:24.640
and in the time it took us

01:32:24.720 --> 01:32:26.319
to jp through those Hoops we'd lost

01:32:26.399 --> 01:32:28.560
sponsors Co had come we'd lost

01:32:28.640 --> 01:32:30.960
volunteers gone through four project

01:32:31.039 --> 01:32:33.640
managers and had to request an extension

01:32:33.720 --> 01:32:35.920
on our grant price of steel had gone up

01:32:36.000 --> 01:32:39.199
three times and the oval was flooded so

01:32:39.279 --> 01:32:41.119
we ended up having to hand our grant

01:32:41.199 --> 01:32:43.399
money over to council who then took

01:32:43.479 --> 01:32:45.560
control of the project to deliver a

01:32:45.640 --> 01:32:48.840
smaller Park of lower quality that only

01:32:48.920 --> 01:32:51.640
got started because we risk losing out

01:32:51.720 --> 01:32:53.560
our grant and we threatened to go to the

01:32:53.640 --> 01:32:56.880
me media so once we've made that very

01:32:56.960 --> 01:33:00.039
clear stuff happened in the next week so

01:33:00.119 --> 01:33:02.439
anyway seven years of smiling politely

01:33:02.520 --> 01:33:04.680
EG stroking and making apologies for our

01:33:04.760 --> 01:33:06.720
wonderfully over engineered dog ball

01:33:06.800 --> 01:33:08.560
it's up and running and it's a great

01:33:08.640 --> 01:33:11.920
success however there are still issues

01:33:12.000 --> 01:33:14.479
there are still dog attacks there okay

01:33:14.560 --> 01:33:16.800
dogs can jp the fence it's not as high

01:33:16.880 --> 01:33:18.920
as it should have been people leave

01:33:19.000 --> 01:33:22.199
gates open dogs go crazy unregistered

01:33:22.279 --> 01:33:24.640
unvaccinated dogs are in there all the

01:33:24.720 --> 01:33:27.159
time uh we've had guys rock up with

01:33:27.239 --> 01:33:30.399
their beer and their pig dogs okay we've

01:33:30.479 --> 01:33:32.880
had a mother pushing a pram with a

01:33:32.960 --> 01:33:35.399
toddler and a dog and a brand new baby

01:33:35.479 --> 01:33:37.399
into the dog park while dogs are fanging

01:33:37.479 --> 01:33:39.439
around everywhere you know that that

01:33:39.520 --> 01:33:42.960
didn't stand a chance  we've had

01:33:43.039 --> 01:33:45.520
Parents on phone walking around

01:33:45.600 --> 01:33:47.039
oblivious to what their kids are doing

01:33:47.119 --> 01:33:48.439
their kids are running after dogs that

01:33:48.520 --> 01:33:49.720
they don't know and the dogs are sort of

01:33:49.800 --> 01:33:51.680
looking terrified so you know the

01:33:51.760 --> 01:33:53.479
potential for one of those dogs to turn

01:33:53.560 --> 01:33:55.840
around and Chomp because the parent

01:33:55.920 --> 01:33:59.239
wasn't paying attention is huge last

01:33:59.319 --> 01:34:01.880
week  I went to take my two down there

01:34:01.960 --> 01:34:04.359
and there was a gentleman teaching his

01:34:04.439 --> 01:34:06.880
four-year-old to ride a minibike on the

01:34:06.960 --> 01:34:09.800
far side of the dog park sorry is this

01:34:09.880 --> 01:34:11.319
boring

01:34:11.399 --> 01:34:16.039
you hello  and this bike was going

01:34:16.119 --> 01:34:17.279
backwards and forwards and backwards and

01:34:17.359 --> 01:34:19.600
forwards and the dogs inside the fence

01:34:19.680 --> 01:34:21.840
were going ballistic so if one of those

01:34:21.920 --> 01:34:23.520
had been a cattle dog that could clear

01:34:23.600 --> 01:34:24.920
the the fence it would have taken that

01:34:25.000 --> 01:34:26.920
kid off the bike so fast and there would

01:34:27.000 --> 01:34:29.199
have been an injury

01:34:29.279 --> 01:34:31.880
so can I just check with you is there

01:34:31.960 --> 01:34:34.840
much more to go cuz you've timed

01:34:34.920 --> 01:34:38.600
out probably not

01:34:38.680 --> 01:34:41.079
look it's about dog attack and dog

01:34:41.159 --> 01:34:42.560
attacks aren't a problem until they are

01:34:42.640 --> 01:34:44.640
a problem

01:34:44.720 --> 01:34:47.399
and that it's not about lions having

01:34:47.479 --> 01:34:50.560
that building it's about people who own

01:34:50.640 --> 01:34:52.760
dogs having the opportunity to improve

01:34:52.840 --> 01:34:55.000
their skills and training before anyone

01:34:55.079 --> 01:34:58.119
goes in there yeah okay great now can

01:34:58.199 --> 01:35:00.680
you stay there please okay yeah and let

01:35:00.760 --> 01:35:02.640
me just check to the counselors if there

01:35:02.720 --> 01:35:05.159
are any questions

01:35:05.239 --> 01:35:09.000
counselors no no councelor white does

01:35:09.079 --> 01:35:11.399
sorry thank you don't apologize it's all

01:35:11.479 --> 01:35:13.680
good yeah it's all good  thank you for

01:35:13.760 --> 01:35:16.199
the history  Kylie on the whole thing

01:35:16.279 --> 01:35:19.920
I remember it very dearly 

01:35:20.000 --> 01:35:23.279
so what is the issue with the Lions Club

01:35:23.359 --> 01:35:25.319
cuz I you didn't get to the end of it

01:35:25.399 --> 01:35:27.600
what is the issue nothing with the

01:35:27.680 --> 01:35:31.199
Lion's Club so the issue with using the

01:35:31.279 --> 01:35:33.880
building the building

01:35:33.960 --> 01:35:36.800
is we know the coronial report came out

01:35:36.880 --> 01:35:38.800
not long ago and we know that there are

01:35:38.880 --> 01:35:42.399
issues about people well we know that

01:35:42.479 --> 01:35:44.119
dog attacks can be fatal and we know

01:35:44.199 --> 01:35:46.079
that there is another inquiry underway

01:35:46.159 --> 01:35:47.600
at the moment that's going to have

01:35:47.680 --> 01:35:50.159
bigger impacts what it comes down to is

01:35:50.239 --> 01:35:53.119
when we look at it particularly in Bomer

01:35:53.199 --> 01:35:57.479
Lo socio area we

01:35:57.560 --> 01:36:00.239
have uneducated owners a lot of

01:36:00.319 --> 01:36:01.880
uneducated owners we have a lot of

01:36:01.960 --> 01:36:04.039
untrained dogs we have a lot of dogs

01:36:04.119 --> 01:36:06.000
that have the potential to do big damage

01:36:06.079 --> 01:36:08.760
not just little damage these people have

01:36:08.840 --> 01:36:11.159
the same needs and the same rights as

01:36:11.239 --> 01:36:13.520
the guys out at Warren  can't

01:36:13.600 --> 01:36:15.560
pronounce it what's the word the beach

01:36:15.640 --> 01:36:17.560
the wonderful people pause for the sh

01:36:17.640 --> 01:36:20.039
Haven they have a right and they need

01:36:20.119 --> 01:36:22.319
their dogs as much as anybody else but

01:36:22.399 --> 01:36:26.159
we don't want to see them go down with a

01:36:26.239 --> 01:36:27.760
premise that they're going to be okay

01:36:27.840 --> 01:36:29.600
and somebody else get injured you're

01:36:29.680 --> 01:36:31.760
just introducing another factor into an

01:36:31.840 --> 01:36:34.319
already tenuous situation that has the

01:36:34.399 --> 01:36:36.920
potential to explode right I will be

01:36:37.000 --> 01:36:40.640
right behind you if you go let's build a

01:36:40.720 --> 01:36:44.800
shed for for the narrow bomir lions in a

01:36:44.880 --> 01:36:46.640
heart you know in heartbeat I'll be out

01:36:46.720 --> 01:36:49.239
there getting money for you but just

01:36:49.319 --> 01:36:51.600
don't put other people who aren't super

01:36:51.680 --> 01:36:54.560
dog Savvy in front of a potential

01:36:54.640 --> 01:36:56.800
risk that could go

01:36:56.880 --> 01:37:00.680
boom great okay that's that's why really

01:37:00.760 --> 01:37:03.239
clear thank you councelor gray actually

01:37:03.319 --> 01:37:05.600
councelor gray before you  speak we

01:37:05.680 --> 01:37:07.199
just wait there's a little there's lots

01:37:07.279 --> 01:37:09.079
of talk in the room which is all great

01:37:09.159 --> 01:37:11.680
because it's a very it's an interesting

01:37:11.760 --> 01:37:14.279
perspective yeah so thanks thank you so

01:37:14.359 --> 01:37:16.640
Kylie my from what I'm hearing you don't

01:37:16.720 --> 01:37:19.920
believe dayon coexist together at this

01:37:20.000 --> 01:37:22.359
point I don't think people using the dog

01:37:22.439 --> 01:37:25.600
ball are at a point point where they can

01:37:25.680 --> 01:37:28.159
be effectively in charge of their dogs

01:37:28.239 --> 01:37:30.520
okay but when I've spoken to you before

01:37:30.600 --> 01:37:32.840
you were wanting room for your agility

01:37:32.920 --> 01:37:35.319
equipment does that no longer exist I'm

01:37:35.399 --> 01:37:37.359
trying to get a sense of what is our

01:37:37.439 --> 01:37:39.560
problem the the space is not really an

01:37:39.640 --> 01:37:42.279
issue like my my house has stuff under

01:37:42.359 --> 01:37:45.560
every bed and  at the moment we have

01:37:45.640 --> 01:37:48.880
the notice board wedged up in a garage

01:37:48.960 --> 01:37:51.159
we don't have the same storage needs as

01:37:51.239 --> 01:37:53.039
lions we would love to have a bit of

01:37:53.119 --> 01:37:55.520
area are there to put the Poo bags and

01:37:55.600 --> 01:37:58.600
such in that we keep and the toolbox and

01:37:58.680 --> 01:38:02.119
some splashes and things absolutely but

01:38:02.199 --> 01:38:03.680
we don't have the fridges in the freezer

01:38:03.760 --> 01:38:07.319
that they need so desperately

01:38:07.399 --> 01:38:12.800
 I am just I'm worried that it won't

01:38:12.880 --> 01:38:16.159
be long like two nights ago I walked

01:38:16.239 --> 01:38:18.159
home and a woman I had my dogs and they

01:38:18.239 --> 01:38:20.279
said wow they Irish wolf hounds and it's

01:38:20.359 --> 01:38:22.760
like yeah they are they said you need a

01:38:22.840 --> 01:38:24.680
big log that around here because of

01:38:24.760 --> 01:38:27.000
safety and it's like this mindset we

01:38:27.079 --> 01:38:29.720
need to to manage all right thanks I'm

01:38:29.800 --> 01:38:32.520
clear thanks thank you let me just check

01:38:32.600 --> 01:38:35.399
any more questions councilors no thank

01:38:35.479 --> 01:38:37.000
you for being here again Kylie

01:38:37.079 --> 01:38:38.000
appreciate

01:38:38.079 --> 01:38:42.439
it  Doug Cornish

01:38:42.520 --> 01:38:45.800
from narro come come on through yes

01:38:45.880 --> 01:38:49.359
please  Doug's here this evening to uh

01:38:49.439 --> 01:38:51.600
speak in recommend for the

01:38:51.680 --> 01:38:56.399
recommendation 242 60 thank you

01:38:57.680 --> 01:39:01.680
Doug good afternoon the n c Club is a

01:39:01.760 --> 01:39:03.760
nonprofit Community sporting

01:39:03.840 --> 01:39:07.239
organization that was founded in

01:39:07.319 --> 01:39:10.399
1922 2008 the club applied for to the

01:39:10.479 --> 01:39:13.199
charen city council to lease land on the

01:39:13.279 --> 01:39:16.439
Bomer tennis courts to establish two uh

01:39:16.520 --> 01:39:20.319
International size CRA a

01:39:20.399 --> 01:39:23.960
courts that's better this side included

01:39:24.039 --> 01:39:26.119
tennis shed but no

01:39:26.199 --> 01:39:29.119
facilities uh the club house and

01:39:29.199 --> 01:39:31.600
amenities were financed by the club

01:39:31.680 --> 01:39:34.119
through raising uh fundraising by

01:39:34.199 --> 01:39:37.560
members a grant and a dollar for dooll

01:39:37.640 --> 01:39:41.359
uh state government loan and interest

01:39:41.439 --> 01:39:42.920
free loan from Council that was

01:39:43.000 --> 01:39:46.520
subsequently repaid in 2016 the club

01:39:46.600 --> 01:39:49.560
applied to extend its playing facilities

01:39:49.640 --> 01:39:52.239
to accommodate two additional courts on

01:39:52.319 --> 01:39:55.119
the remaining use North uh Northern

01:39:55.199 --> 01:39:57.560
Bomer uh tennis

01:39:57.640 --> 01:40:01.439
courts following intense fundraising the

01:40:01.520 --> 01:40:03.399
club had sufficient funds along with the

01:40:03.479 --> 01:40:05.880
promise of a grant to lease and

01:40:05.960 --> 01:40:08.720
redevelop the land an additional lease

01:40:08.800 --> 01:40:11.720
was granted in March

01:40:11.800 --> 01:40:15.199
2018 the lease was in revoke by Council

01:40:15.279 --> 01:40:17.000
when they announced the Redevelopment of

01:40:17.079 --> 01:40:20.399
a Smith oval and Bomer sporting complex

01:40:20.479 --> 01:40:22.119
the president and committee met with the

01:40:22.199 --> 01:40:24.119
council representative

01:40:24.199 --> 01:40:26.640
to discuss the compulsory move to the R

01:40:26.720 --> 01:40:29.840
Smith oval complex although the move was

01:40:29.920 --> 01:40:33.399
not in our best interest n club uh

01:40:33.479 --> 01:40:37.560
conceded to relocate to the proposed new

01:40:37.640 --> 01:40:39.640
location with two important provisions

01:40:39.720 --> 01:40:41.600
and agreement from

01:40:41.680 --> 01:40:45.159
Council Council promised to provide a c

01:40:45.239 --> 01:40:47.800
a facility on a likeforlike basis with

01:40:47.880 --> 01:40:50.560
an additional two courts and ensure that

01:40:50.640 --> 01:40:54.439
Mara C club would not be disadvantaged

01:40:54.520 --> 01:40:57.560
financially Nar C Club as a community

01:40:57.640 --> 01:41:00.279
organization caters for all ages from

01:41:00.359 --> 01:41:03.760
teenagers through to most of our members

01:41:03.840 --> 01:41:06.000
who are retirees and

01:41:06.079 --> 01:41:08.039
pensioners the club

01:41:08.119 --> 01:41:11.439
provides uh playing programs to

01:41:11.520 --> 01:41:15.479
accommodate Community groups ndis groups

01:41:15.560 --> 01:41:18.319
schools and also offers an invitation to

01:41:18.399 --> 01:41:21.279
the community to participate in our free

01:41:21.359 --> 01:41:23.960
come andry programs

01:41:24.039 --> 01:41:27.279
the club has been approved by cro New

01:41:27.359 --> 01:41:29.840
South Wales as a regional Hub to support

01:41:29.920 --> 01:41:32.239
the southern region including South

01:41:32.319 --> 01:41:34.720
close clubs our commitment is to

01:41:34.800 --> 01:41:37.359
encourage the Comm the community to

01:41:37.439 --> 01:41:39.520
participate in a sport that can be

01:41:39.600 --> 01:41:43.760
played equally by all ages and and

01:41:43.840 --> 01:41:47.039
abilities our primary source of income

01:41:47.119 --> 01:41:49.760
are annual membership fees and daily

01:41:49.840 --> 01:41:52.840
green fees green fees are dependent on

01:41:52.920 --> 01:41:55.199
members participation and subject to

01:41:55.279 --> 01:41:56.319
weather

01:41:56.399 --> 01:41:58.800
constraints the club has also maintained

01:41:58.880 --> 01:42:01.920
The Lawns and surrounds uh Outsourcing

01:42:02.000 --> 01:42:04.800
mowing fertilizing and chemical spraying

01:42:04.880 --> 01:42:07.880
by a certified Green keeper to minimize

01:42:07.960 --> 01:42:10.000
costs additional maintenance and labor

01:42:10.079 --> 01:42:12.560
is provided by our volunteer

01:42:12.640 --> 01:42:15.880
members the council lease proposal

01:42:15.960 --> 01:42:18.680
initially sought a rental of $20,000

01:42:18.760 --> 01:42:21.239
perom inclusive of

01:42:21.319 --> 01:42:24.600
GST without question such a rental is

01:42:24.680 --> 01:42:27.119
financially unsustainable compared to

01:42:27.199 --> 01:42:31.439
the uh current rent of

01:42:31.520 --> 01:42:35.800
$934 per anom for 2024 and

01:42:35.880 --> 01:42:39.079
25 as Council requested a full audit of

01:42:39.159 --> 01:42:40.720
the club's

01:42:40.800 --> 01:42:43.840
accounts professional Financial advice

01:42:43.920 --> 01:42:45.640
was sought and the following response

01:42:45.720 --> 01:42:46.680
was

01:42:46.760 --> 01:42:50.359
provided quote I'm of the strong opinion

01:42:50.439 --> 01:42:52.039
that the club is not in a financial

01:42:52.119 --> 01:42:54.359
position to agree to these lease terms

01:42:54.439 --> 01:42:56.680
in smary the club's management

01:42:56.760 --> 01:42:58.760
committee is obligated to ensure that

01:42:58.840 --> 01:43:00.720
the club is financially

01:43:00.800 --> 01:43:03.720
viable the club's cash reserves and

01:43:03.800 --> 01:43:06.520
annual income would not be adequate to

01:43:06.600 --> 01:43:09.640
meet rental payments uh listed in item

01:43:09.720 --> 01:43:12.520
eight of the lease reference

01:43:12.600 --> 01:43:14.960
schedule

01:43:15.039 --> 01:43:17.680
 the club is not in a financial

01:43:17.760 --> 01:43:20.000
position to pay additional costs and

01:43:20.079 --> 01:43:21.920
this is compounded significantly with

01:43:22.000 --> 01:43:24.920
the requirement to pay in

01:43:25.000 --> 01:43:27.439
advance I advise the committee not to

01:43:27.520 --> 01:43:30.600
agree to the uh the not to agree to the

01:43:30.680 --> 01:43:33.079
outgoings detailed in the proposed lease

01:43:33.159 --> 01:43:35.159
due to the uncertainty of the outgoing

01:43:35.239 --> 01:43:37.880
amounts that may fall due hopefully

01:43:37.960 --> 01:43:41.000
charlen city council will realize the

01:43:41.079 --> 01:43:43.800
adverse effect the proposed lease will

01:43:43.880 --> 01:43:46.000
have on the financial viability of our

01:43:46.079 --> 01:43:48.800
club and reduce the lease rental to a

01:43:48.880 --> 01:43:51.520
more manageable amount which in my

01:43:51.600 --> 01:43:54.680
opinion would be the range of $10,000 to

01:43:54.760 --> 01:43:56.960
$1,000 inclusive of

01:43:57.039 --> 01:44:00.039
GST it is unrealistic for LEC to

01:44:00.119 --> 01:44:02.960
contribute to the uh restricted asset

01:44:03.039 --> 01:44:07.800
account for court Capital upgrades of

01:44:07.880 --> 01:44:09.439
accounts loan

01:44:09.520 --> 01:44:12.439
facility the CL the club believes that

01:44:12.520 --> 01:44:15.800
it is essential that Council honors this

01:44:15.880 --> 01:44:18.359
provision uh and commitments promised to

01:44:18.439 --> 01:44:20.880
the narra C Club in

01:44:20.960 --> 01:44:23.880
2018 thank you very much uh to all the

01:44:23.960 --> 01:44:25.640
counselors for their support of the

01:44:25.720 --> 01:44:29.159
narra cro Club throughout uh the entire

01:44:29.239 --> 01:44:31.960
project and it's been appreciated thank

01:44:32.039 --> 01:44:36.000
you Doug before you

01:44:36.079 --> 01:44:38.520
go I just want to check in Doug and make

01:44:38.600 --> 01:44:40.199
sure that there's no questions from

01:44:40.279 --> 01:44:42.079
Council councelor Wells has got his hand

01:44:42.159 --> 01:44:43.399
up councelor

01:44:43.479 --> 01:44:46.439
Wells Doug I've been in touch with your

01:44:46.520 --> 01:44:48.600
secretary and club members now on three

01:44:48.680 --> 01:44:50.600
or four occasions over the last three or

01:44:50.680 --> 01:44:53.479
four months my understanding is is that

01:44:53.560 --> 01:44:56.680
the the uh rental proposal has been

01:44:56.760 --> 01:44:59.880
renegotiated with Council and is indeed

01:44:59.960 --> 01:45:02.239
in the region of

01:45:02.319 --> 01:45:05.600
101,000 is that not the

01:45:05.680 --> 01:45:08.279
case not that I'm aware of we'll put

01:45:08.359 --> 01:45:09.960
that one to sta councilor Wells during

01:45:10.039 --> 01:45:11.439
the

01:45:11.520 --> 01:45:13.880
debate that's my

01:45:13.960 --> 01:45:16.399
understanding okay that we have

01:45:16.479 --> 01:45:22.239
submitted a uh a response to the  swim

01:45:22.319 --> 01:45:23.439
Sport and F

01:45:23.520 --> 01:45:25.680
but we haven't had a response to date

01:45:25.760 --> 01:45:28.119
okay so what we'll do is understand the

01:45:28.199 --> 01:45:29.520
rent about

01:45:29.600 --> 01:45:31.680
$1,000 thank you Council Wells we'll

01:45:31.760 --> 01:45:33.640
deal with that during the debate and

01:45:33.720 --> 01:45:36.520
we'll get the staff to respond during

01:45:36.600 --> 01:45:39.079
debate as it's clear

01:45:39.159 --> 01:45:41.239
that Doug's not familiar with the

01:45:41.319 --> 01:45:43.279
outcome of that so we'll get let me just

01:45:43.359 --> 01:45:44.760
check in councelor

01:45:44.840 --> 01:45:47.800
Darth thanks Doug  how many members

01:45:47.880 --> 01:45:52.159
are there in the naar croquet club uh 72

01:45:52.239 --> 01:45:55.119
72 Financial members yes yep am I

01:45:55.199 --> 01:45:58.720
allowed to ask uh what the annual fee is

01:45:58.800 --> 01:46:01.359
for members  we've just increase them

01:46:01.439 --> 01:46:05.920
due to uh Australian C Association and C

01:46:06.000 --> 01:46:10.000
New South Wales increase in affiliation

01:46:10.079 --> 01:46:15.039
fees and we now charge $190 for uh adult

01:46:15.119 --> 01:46:18.960
members yeah and

01:46:19.039 --> 01:46:23.279
approximately 10% plus affiliation fees

01:46:23.359 --> 01:46:25.640
for

01:46:25.720 --> 01:46:29.239
juniors it's around about $19 oh no it's

01:46:29.319 --> 01:46:30.880
not

01:46:30.960 --> 01:46:33.560
$19 so you make it affordable for the

01:46:33.640 --> 01:46:37.319
yeah it's uh financially feasible for

01:46:37.399 --> 01:46:39.640
what classes a youth is it under 18 or

01:46:39.720 --> 01:46:42.199
is it uh school kids school kids yeah

01:46:42.279 --> 01:46:44.760
okay yeah  and also my other question

01:46:44.840 --> 01:46:48.119
is  were you president maybe when the

01:46:48.199 --> 01:46:50.399
club started no I wasn't Mr Bob

01:46:50.479 --> 01:46:52.520
Williamson was the president at the time

01:46:52.600 --> 01:46:56.199
do you do you know  how much money

01:46:56.279 --> 01:46:58.920
Council invested in beginning the cro

01:46:59.000 --> 01:47:01.079
club and getting this the the court

01:47:01.159 --> 01:47:03.199
sorted and so on do you remember those

01:47:03.279 --> 01:47:05.279
figures uh for the new the new

01:47:05.359 --> 01:47:07.640
facilities yeah  there was a grant for

01:47:07.720 --> 01:47:11.560
$8 million from new uh from New South

01:47:11.640 --> 01:47:14.279
Wales government Y and the rest was

01:47:14.359 --> 01:47:16.760
provided by Council I

01:47:16.840 --> 01:47:19.319
believe and how much was the rest do you

01:47:19.399 --> 01:47:21.880
remember you have to ask yeah I'll ask

01:47:21.960 --> 01:47:25.319
during debate wasn't a  it was a

01:47:25.399 --> 01:47:27.319
combined uh

01:47:27.399 --> 01:47:30.079
project package a lot of money but thank

01:47:30.159 --> 01:47:31.319
you thanks

01:47:31.399 --> 01:47:36.560
Doug councilor Boyd  thank you Doug 

01:47:36.640 --> 01:47:39.680
why why did your accountant or auditor

01:47:39.760 --> 01:47:43.399
whoever provided that advice  why is

01:47:43.479 --> 01:47:45.800
it not appropriate you know what the

01:47:45.880 --> 01:47:47.840
grounds are for deciding that it's not

01:47:47.920 --> 01:47:50.279
appropriate for you to contribute to the

01:47:50.359 --> 01:47:53.000
restricted asset account

01:47:53.079 --> 01:47:56.560
uh I I believe that he felt that 

01:47:56.640 --> 01:48:00.560
there was no in the past uh we've been

01:48:00.640 --> 01:48:06.880
at the the tennis club facility uh since

01:48:06.960 --> 01:48:09.960
2008 and we provided all the maintenance

01:48:10.039 --> 01:48:14.560
without any input from C uh from Council

01:48:14.640 --> 01:48:17.000
and uh he felt

01:48:17.079 --> 01:48:21.079
that as a council asset it is not the

01:48:21.159 --> 01:48:23.000
responsibility of the Lesser to

01:48:23.079 --> 01:48:27.600
contribute to a 

01:48:27.680 --> 01:48:31.800
the the fund that fund yeah yeah okay

01:48:31.880 --> 01:48:33.079
thank

01:48:33.159 --> 01:48:36.359
you okay any further questions

01:48:36.439 --> 01:48:40.520
councilors no yes sorry thank you I oh

01:48:40.600 --> 01:48:43.600
hang on  thank you so much Doug and

01:48:43.680 --> 01:48:44.680
thank you for everybody for coming

01:48:44.760 --> 01:48:47.199
tonight  just Doug I was hoping you

01:48:47.279 --> 01:48:49.000
could just  I guess share what the

01:48:49.079 --> 01:48:50.680
club's up to toward the end of the year

01:48:50.760 --> 01:48:52.079
with the  the tournament you've got

01:48:52.159 --> 01:48:53.439
coming up and

01:48:53.520 --> 01:48:54.800
what Arrangements you had to make as an

01:48:54.880 --> 01:48:56.079
alternative because you're not able to

01:48:56.159 --> 01:48:57.119
use the new

01:48:57.199 --> 01:48:59.760
courts I'm sorry I don't quite

01:48:59.840 --> 01:49:00.800
understand I understand there's a

01:49:00.880 --> 01:49:03.159
tournament that the that we're the sh

01:49:03.239 --> 01:49:05.000
Haven is hosting toward the end of the

01:49:05.079 --> 01:49:08.600
year  may not be the right terminology

01:49:08.680 --> 01:49:11.520
we do have a tournament uh that comes up

01:49:11.600 --> 01:49:13.239
in September yep and what What

01:49:13.319 --> 01:49:15.199
alternative Arrangements have you had to

01:49:15.279 --> 01:49:16.880
make as a club because you haven't had

01:49:16.960 --> 01:49:19.600
access to the new facilities  the

01:49:19.680 --> 01:49:23.680
tournament is for uh 32 con contestants

01:49:23.760 --> 01:49:26.560
and we only have two courts so it would

01:49:26.640 --> 01:49:30.159
have extended the tournament by a number

01:49:30.239 --> 01:49:34.279
of days so what we've done is uh sought

01:49:34.359 --> 01:49:36.720
uh assistance from the Bomer Bowling

01:49:36.800 --> 01:49:40.199
Club to use one of their Bowling Greens

01:49:40.279 --> 01:49:43.600
and  the benefit of that is that we

01:49:43.680 --> 01:49:47.680
can have three greens and

01:49:47.760 --> 01:49:51.560
uh compress the whole tournament into

01:49:51.640 --> 01:49:54.520
three three or four days rather than the

01:49:54.600 --> 01:49:58.279
extended period on two courts  the one

01:49:58.359 --> 01:50:00.640
of the benefits was that the Bomer

01:50:00.720 --> 01:50:03.920
Bowling Club is going to renovate their

01:50:04.000 --> 01:50:08.199
Court after our tournament so the the

01:50:08.279 --> 01:50:11.640
detrimental impact of cro on a Bowling

01:50:11.720 --> 01:50:15.119
Green isn't going to have an

01:50:16.359 --> 01:50:18.920
impact all right  any further

01:50:19.000 --> 01:50:20.439
questions

01:50:20.520 --> 01:50:24.680
councilors yeah now Council well he is

01:50:24.760 --> 01:50:27.439
your hand up John or

01:50:27.520 --> 01:50:30.760
not I've taken my hand off the the

01:50:30.840 --> 01:50:33.000
restricted asset account was wasn't a

01:50:33.079 --> 01:50:36.239
quote attributable to the financial

01:50:36.319 --> 01:50:39.279
advisor okay it's not in the quotes okay

01:50:39.359 --> 01:50:40.439
thank

01:50:40.520 --> 01:50:42.920
you I think you're off the hook

01:50:43.000 --> 01:50:44.800
now thank you thank you for your

01:50:44.880 --> 01:50:46.359
presentation and thanks for your members

01:50:46.439 --> 01:50:49.000
for being

01:50:51.640 --> 01:50:54.680
here Rebecca SLE can I call you now

01:50:54.760 --> 01:50:57.079
please Rebecca's speaking this evening

01:50:57.159 --> 01:51:00.439
on the moratori on

01:51:00.520 --> 01:51:03.960
development which is

01:51:10.520 --> 01:51:13.520
24262

01:51:17.600 --> 01:51:22.600
welcome okay to some reading glasses yep

01:51:22.680 --> 01:51:25.119
of us know that problem well just don't

01:51:25.199 --> 01:51:27.079
let me forget to take them with me no we

01:51:27.159 --> 01:51:28.520
won't thank

01:51:28.600 --> 01:51:32.039
you okay  good evening everyone  I'm

01:51:32.119 --> 01:51:33.920
here today representing the cbar

01:51:34.000 --> 01:51:35.800
residents and rate payers Action Group

01:51:35.880 --> 01:51:37.319
and I'd like to start by acknowledging

01:51:37.399 --> 01:51:38.840
country and paying respects to the

01:51:38.920 --> 01:51:40.319
traditional owners of the land upon

01:51:40.399 --> 01:51:43.439
which we meet today  we are in favor

01:51:43.520 --> 01:51:44.960
of the notice of motion to place a

01:51:45.039 --> 01:51:47.439
moratori on Shoalhaven developments not

01:51:47.520 --> 01:51:49.880
supported by independent contemporary

01:51:49.960 --> 01:51:51.880
studies pending the outcome of the

01:51:51.960 --> 01:51:54.159
Parliamentary inquiries that are in

01:51:54.239 --> 01:51:56.600
process our group was formed to protect

01:51:56.680 --> 01:51:57.960
the village our Village from

01:51:58.039 --> 01:51:59.840
overdevelopment and inappropriate

01:51:59.920 --> 01:52:01.680
development and we see this need for

01:52:01.760 --> 01:52:03.920
protection stretching across the shell

01:52:04.000 --> 01:52:05.720
Haven and indeed the entire New South

01:52:05.800 --> 01:52:06.800
Wales

01:52:06.880 --> 01:52:09.399
Coast this motion calls upon applying

01:52:09.479 --> 01:52:11.399
the precautionary principle for very

01:52:11.479 --> 01:52:14.319
good reason the changes to landscape

01:52:14.399 --> 01:52:16.720
living environment biodiversity and

01:52:16.800 --> 01:52:19.199
cultural heritage imposed by a pipeline

01:52:19.279 --> 01:52:21.279
of zombie development proposals will be

01:52:21.359 --> 01:52:23.239
irreversible

01:52:23.319 --> 01:52:25.159
to avoid poor decisions that create

01:52:25.239 --> 01:52:27.439
future issues for communities and

01:52:27.520 --> 01:52:29.680
government it is only sensible to apply

01:52:29.760 --> 01:52:32.119
caution and review and revised plans

01:52:32.199 --> 01:52:35.359
based on current data and independent

01:52:35.439 --> 01:52:37.800
studies when we clear fell a sight of

01:52:37.880 --> 01:52:40.520
mature native Bushland it's gone for

01:52:40.600 --> 01:52:43.399
good when we build over a site proven to

01:52:43.479 --> 01:52:45.359
be culturally significant to abigal

01:52:45.439 --> 01:52:48.319
history and connection to Country the

01:52:48.399 --> 01:52:49.560
damage is

01:52:49.640 --> 01:52:52.039
irreparable it's worth pausing on these

01:52:52.119 --> 01:52:54.640
points to fully understand the

01:52:54.720 --> 01:52:57.800
gravity our modern e ecological values

01:52:57.880 --> 01:52:59.560
and understanding of the connectedness

01:52:59.640 --> 01:53:01.520
of all aspects of the environment

01:53:01.600 --> 01:53:03.159
actually aligns with first nation's

01:53:03.239 --> 01:53:05.600
cultural values the indigenous

01:53:05.680 --> 01:53:07.399
connection to country has always been

01:53:07.479 --> 01:53:09.119
about caring for the environment we live

01:53:09.199 --> 01:53:11.640
in and rely upon and preserving it for

01:53:11.720 --> 01:53:12.720
future

01:53:12.800 --> 01:53:15.000
Generations first nation's cultural

01:53:15.079 --> 01:53:16.560
cultural history and connection to

01:53:16.640 --> 01:53:19.359
country is Australia's history it is

01:53:19.439 --> 01:53:21.079
important to us

01:53:21.159 --> 01:53:23.800
all now development planning is always a

01:53:23.880 --> 01:53:26.039
balance of balancing act of weighing up

01:53:26.119 --> 01:53:28.439
positive and Ne negative impacts against

01:53:28.520 --> 01:53:31.439
the conditions in context of the time

01:53:31.520 --> 01:53:33.880
the conditions we're experiencing today

01:53:33.960 --> 01:53:35.920
include the need to find a solution for

01:53:36.000 --> 01:53:38.560
the housing crisis balanced against the

01:53:38.640 --> 01:53:40.479
need for Environmental Protection at

01:53:40.560 --> 01:53:42.319
midst an Ever growing

01:53:42.399 --> 01:53:44.760
population and these conditions need to

01:53:44.840 --> 01:53:47.319
be considered in the context of today's

01:53:47.399 --> 01:53:49.640
reality growing numbers of endangered

01:53:49.720 --> 01:53:51.479
and threatened species and the onset of

01:53:51.560 --> 01:53:53.479
extreme weather

01:53:53.560 --> 01:53:56.760
events society's values evolve over time

01:53:56.840 --> 01:53:58.960
and available scientific knowledge

01:53:59.039 --> 01:54:01.159
increases yet there are a large number

01:54:01.239 --> 01:54:03.039
of old development plans pushing through

01:54:03.119 --> 01:54:05.439
the Shoalhaven planning system that simply

01:54:05.520 --> 01:54:07.479
do not reflect modern planning

01:54:07.560 --> 01:54:09.840
strategies and are out of step with

01:54:09.920 --> 01:54:11.640
society's attitudes and today's

01:54:11.720 --> 01:54:13.279
scientific

01:54:13.359 --> 01:54:16.319
knowledge for example in the cbar area

01:54:16.399 --> 01:54:19.479
alone there's approximately 150 to 200

01:54:19.560 --> 01:54:21.840
hectares of land in which land use is

01:54:21.920 --> 01:54:23.840
resting zoning labels from last

01:54:23.920 --> 01:54:26.319
Century's 1985

01:54:26.399 --> 01:54:29.359
LEP on no less than five occasions since

01:54:29.439 --> 01:54:31.560
that zoning was implemented government

01:54:31.640 --> 01:54:33.479
strategy has recommended against

01:54:33.560 --> 01:54:35.479
developing this land and yet the

01:54:35.560 --> 01:54:38.000
developments continue

01:54:38.079 --> 01:54:41.159
unabated in 1996 the dvis Bay Regional

01:54:41.239 --> 01:54:43.239
environmental plan reported that it does

01:54:43.319 --> 01:54:45.720
not identify the subject land at kbar as

01:54:45.800 --> 01:54:47.239
having opportunities for Urban

01:54:47.319 --> 01:54:50.640
Development the 2006 to 31 South Coast

01:54:50.720 --> 01:54:53.000
Regional strategy stated smaller and

01:54:53.079 --> 01:54:54.800
more isolated Villages should be low

01:54:54.880 --> 01:54:56.760
priority for development based on the

01:54:56.840 --> 01:54:58.840
lack of Service delivery and employment

01:54:58.920 --> 01:55:00.880
in these areas and given the surrounding

01:55:00.960 --> 01:55:02.680
environmental value of The

01:55:02.760 --> 01:55:05.479
Villages then the 2006 South Coast

01:55:05.560 --> 01:55:07.079
sensitive Urban lands review panel

01:55:07.159 --> 01:55:08.279
determined there should be no

01:55:08.359 --> 01:55:10.039
development in the Woolen bua catchman

01:55:10.119 --> 01:55:14.039
area at Kar in 2011 the first draft of

01:55:14.119 --> 01:55:16.720
the SLE presented the lands at Kara as

01:55:16.800 --> 01:55:18.479
Environmental Protection and rural

01:55:18.560 --> 01:55:20.039
landscape to implement the

01:55:20.119 --> 01:55:21.640
recommendations of the South Coast

01:55:21.720 --> 01:55:24.079
Regional Strate strategy and now the

01:55:24.159 --> 01:55:26.840
current ilara sha Haven Regional plan

01:55:26.920 --> 01:55:29.479
2041 recognizes that the unique

01:55:29.560 --> 01:55:31.439
character of the Cities towns and

01:55:31.520 --> 01:55:33.560
villages in the aaar Shell Haven region

01:55:33.640 --> 01:55:35.920
is contingent on protecting the scenic

01:55:36.000 --> 01:55:38.920
non-urban spaces in between via Urban

01:55:39.000 --> 01:55:40.640
growth

01:55:40.720 --> 01:55:43.239
boundaries we at kbar are not unique in

01:55:43.319 --> 01:55:46.239
our situation other locations in the sh

01:55:46.319 --> 01:55:49.079
Haven face similarly illogical

01:55:49.159 --> 01:55:51.279
realities this disparity between

01:55:51.359 --> 01:55:53.239
Regional strategy and what is actually

01:55:53.319 --> 01:55:55.079
happening in New South Wales has been

01:55:55.159 --> 01:55:57.319
recognized by the government as such a

01:55:57.399 --> 01:55:59.199
significant issue that there are not one

01:55:59.279 --> 01:56:01.159
but two state level inquiries in

01:56:01.239 --> 01:56:03.439
progress aimed at reviewing and updating

01:56:03.520 --> 01:56:05.960
the planning system in New South Wales

01:56:06.039 --> 01:56:07.479
the first is an inquiry into the

01:56:07.560 --> 01:56:08.960
planning system and the impacts of

01:56:09.039 --> 01:56:10.479
climate change on the environment and

01:56:10.560 --> 01:56:12.520
communities and the second an inquiry

01:56:12.600 --> 01:56:14.359
into historical development consents in

01:56:14.439 --> 01:56:17.159
New South Wales to allow historical

01:56:17.239 --> 01:56:18.680
development plans that do not meet

01:56:18.760 --> 01:56:20.640
society's current needs to continue to

01:56:20.720 --> 01:56:22.800
fruition will be irresponsible failure

01:56:22.880 --> 01:56:24.840
on behalf of government to meet its core

01:56:24.920 --> 01:56:27.239
function that is to implement decisions

01:56:27.319 --> 01:56:29.039
in the best interests of the population

01:56:29.119 --> 01:56:32.399
as a whole that's time Rebecca okay

01:56:32.479 --> 01:56:34.279
thank you I'll just ask the councilors

01:56:34.359 --> 01:56:38.199
are there any questions to Rebecca this

01:56:38.560 --> 01:56:43.399
evening no thank you very much thank

01:56:47.399 --> 01:56:51.159
you Ronnie you're

01:56:51.239 --> 01:56:54.279
next come on

01:56:54.359 --> 01:56:57.960
in so Ronald carber is here this evening

01:56:58.039 --> 01:57:00.880
to speak against 24261 the notice of

01:57:00.960 --> 01:57:04.319
motion on Aboriginal cultural

01:57:07.680 --> 01:57:11.359
heritage why is the order

01:57:14.760 --> 01:57:19.560
change I think I'm big enough

01:57:23.760 --> 01:57:27.279
thanks Ronnie thank you wahini hello

01:57:27.359 --> 01:57:31.720
everyone our counselors our mayor

01:57:31.800 --> 01:57:33.960
UCO the general

01:57:34.039 --> 01:57:37.159
public my name is Ron cbury I'm the

01:57:37.239 --> 01:57:40.119
Jinger tribal leader of my people under

01:57:40.199 --> 01:57:44.359
the native title act we have over 400

01:57:44.439 --> 01:57:47.399
members registered in the federal court

01:57:47.479 --> 01:57:49.439
in

01:57:49.520 --> 01:57:53.439
Sydney our tribal boundaries before

01:57:53.520 --> 01:57:55.479
colonization before

01:57:55.560 --> 01:57:59.520
lgas before land councils was the minara

01:57:59.600 --> 01:58:02.199
river to the north to the Clyde River to

01:58:02.279 --> 01:58:05.840
the south from the mountains to the Seas

01:58:05.920 --> 01:58:08.720
this was all our land for thousands of

01:58:08.800 --> 01:58:11.920
years until these artificial boundaries

01:58:12.000 --> 01:58:14.079
came along going to go through 10 don't

01:58:14.159 --> 01:58:16.600
worry about

01:58:16.680 --> 01:58:19.479
it to our UC

01:58:19.560 --> 01:58:22.880
CEO on behalf of my people

01:58:22.960 --> 01:58:26.319
W I welcome you to Jinger tribal country

01:58:26.399 --> 01:58:27.760
this is the first time I've got the

01:58:27.840 --> 01:58:30.479
opportunity to do this and we the Jinger

01:58:30.560 --> 01:58:32.359
tribal people look forward to meeting

01:58:32.439 --> 01:58:35.880
with you in the near future

01:58:37.560 --> 01:58:40.119
please I'd like to say thank you to all

01:58:40.199 --> 01:58:44.560
the councilors and Mays the mayor amand

01:58:44.640 --> 01:58:48.199
who I've known since bomo T to where she

01:58:48.279 --> 01:58:49.600
is

01:58:49.680 --> 01:58:54.079
today in our most longest serving

01:58:54.159 --> 01:58:58.319
counselor Mr Watson I thank you for your

01:58:58.399 --> 01:59:00.760
service a lot of people might agree with

01:59:00.840 --> 01:59:04.520
what you've done but you you represent a

01:59:04.600 --> 01:59:07.600
constituent just like I represent my

01:59:07.680 --> 01:59:12.720
people and we all have that right to do

01:59:13.119 --> 01:59:17.239
that it's not an easy job to be a

01:59:17.319 --> 01:59:19.840
counselor when you got to make

01:59:19.920 --> 01:59:23.520
decisions about two groups

01:59:23.600 --> 01:59:26.399
at the end of it there's always one side

01:59:26.479 --> 01:59:28.479
not

01:59:28.560 --> 01:59:31.880
happy just like the motion that John is

01:59:31.960 --> 01:59:33.079
proposing

01:59:33.159 --> 01:59:36.359
today I'm here to speak against and I've

01:59:36.439 --> 01:59:38.079
got my brother Alfred who is going to

01:59:38.159 --> 01:59:40.880
speak for

01:59:41.760 --> 01:59:44.000
it on one

01:59:44.079 --> 01:59:46.920
hand you got Jay

01:59:47.000 --> 01:59:48.760
La the

01:59:48.840 --> 01:59:52.319
managers of our land and of the Jerry of

01:59:52.399 --> 01:59:56.439
people and its assets under the N no

01:59:56.520 --> 01:59:59.039
sorry under the land rights

01:59:59.119 --> 02:00:02.039
act on the other

02:00:02.119 --> 02:00:05.000
hand you have a land

02:00:05.079 --> 02:00:07.800
owner under Australian

02:00:07.880 --> 02:00:13.119
law he wants to develop his

02:00:15.960 --> 02:00:19.279
lands but the land Council disagrees

02:00:19.359 --> 02:00:22.960
with what he's saying and Mr K police's

02:00:23.039 --> 02:00:26.560
motion is going against that we got to

02:00:26.640 --> 02:00:30.720
remember we are in a housing

02:00:31.560 --> 02:00:33.479
crisis and I

02:00:33.560 --> 02:00:35.760
believe Mr

02:00:35.840 --> 02:00:40.239
Cole's motion is a new- jerk

02:00:40.319 --> 02:00:45.640
reaction and it is jealousy and hatred

02:00:45.720 --> 02:00:49.760
towards sear on behalf of the

02:00:49.840 --> 02:00:53.000
Jinger because

02:00:53.079 --> 02:00:55.920
cak is working with the Jinger tribal

02:00:56.000 --> 02:00:59.239
people to try and Implement a cultural

02:00:59.319 --> 02:01:02.560
Management program and system that will

02:01:02.640 --> 02:01:05.880
look after not just the land that coleb

02:01:05.960 --> 02:01:10.479
but also all lands of that seak

02:01:10.560 --> 02:01:13.680
managers and it also get goes against

02:01:13.760 --> 02:01:15.880
I'm talking about Mr kosh's

02:01:15.960 --> 02:01:18.399
motion it also goes

02:01:18.479 --> 02:01:22.039
against AB not Aboriginal Australia's

02:01:22.119 --> 02:01:23.680
archaological

02:01:23.760 --> 02:01:25.319
process

02:01:25.399 --> 02:01:29.279
where in Council I was taught about due

02:01:29.359 --> 02:01:33.239
diligence right we got to tick a box and

02:01:33.319 --> 02:01:35.720
with this archaeological process this is

02:01:35.800 --> 02:01:38.720
our archaeological and

02:01:38.800 --> 02:01:40.600
cultural box

02:01:40.680 --> 02:01:43.600
ticking how are we going to find out

02:01:43.680 --> 02:01:46.960
where there is any artifacts on our

02:01:47.039 --> 02:01:50.840
country to try and stop or or let allow

02:01:50.920 --> 02:01:53.560
the development to go ahead if we do not

02:01:53.640 --> 02:01:57.119
allow this process to continue and how

02:01:57.199 --> 02:02:00.640
do we find out the true

02:02:00.720 --> 02:02:04.760
extent of what artifacts exist in these

02:02:04.840 --> 02:02:08.159
places before we the traditional

02:02:08.239 --> 02:02:10.960
custodians can make an executive

02:02:11.039 --> 02:02:14.479
decision of moving forward and making an

02:02:14.560 --> 02:02:16.279
executive

02:02:16.359 --> 02:02:18.920
decision here at

02:02:19.000 --> 02:02:23.399
kbar we are working like I said to

02:02:23.479 --> 02:02:26.000
develop a cultural management

02:02:26.079 --> 02:02:29.960
agreement that will find hopefully a

02:02:30.039 --> 02:02:32.760
balance like the lady said

02:02:32.840 --> 02:02:34.720
before between

02:02:34.800 --> 02:02:36.600
culture and

02:02:36.680 --> 02:02:39.119
environmental and

02:02:39.199 --> 02:02:42.319
development that other councils and

02:02:42.399 --> 02:02:45.439
Aboriginal tribes all over

02:02:45.520 --> 02:02:48.600
Australia can Implement and that will

02:02:48.680 --> 02:02:50.760
benefit not just the traditional

02:02:50.840 --> 02:02:53.079
custodians it will benefit Council in

02:02:53.159 --> 02:02:56.199
speeding up their da process and also

02:02:56.279 --> 02:02:57.880
the general public who are waiting to

02:02:57.960 --> 02:02:59.880
get their houses fixed for this da

02:02:59.960 --> 02:03:03.520
process there's a lot of red

02:03:05.680 --> 02:03:08.880
tape the one question I would ask and I

02:03:08.960 --> 02:03:11.079
don't know if when Alfred speaks he can

02:03:11.159 --> 02:03:13.159
probably answer

02:03:13.239 --> 02:03:18.239
this did J laugh jel Al know that

02:03:18.319 --> 02:03:21.800
means get members approval

02:03:21.880 --> 02:03:24.319
to put this motion

02:03:24.399 --> 02:03:26.960
up and I don't think they did because I

02:03:27.039 --> 02:03:30.039
am a member of jingel

02:03:33.399 --> 02:03:36.520
Al and if they grain oh

02:03:36.600 --> 02:03:40.319
sorry if our outgoing green counselors

02:03:40.399 --> 02:03:41.319
and our

02:03:41.399 --> 02:03:44.880
mayor wanted to leave a

02:03:44.960 --> 02:03:47.000
legacy then the Legacy that they should

02:03:47.079 --> 02:03:48.199
have been

02:03:48.279 --> 02:03:50.359
leaving is the

02:03:50.439 --> 02:03:52.600
implementation of cultural mapping

02:03:52.680 --> 02:03:54.159
system

02:03:54.239 --> 02:03:56.119
system that I've been trying to

02:03:56.199 --> 02:03:58.880
implement for over 10 years and Council

02:03:58.960 --> 02:04:02.159
has refused to do this that would also

02:04:02.239 --> 02:04:04.720
help not only our cultural sites it

02:04:04.800 --> 02:04:08.359
would help the the environment our Flor

02:04:08.439 --> 02:04:11.079
and forer it would also like I said

02:04:11.159 --> 02:04:14.600
earlier speed up the da process because

02:04:14.680 --> 02:04:17.600
then they would have a clear idea where

02:04:17.680 --> 02:04:20.159
our sensitive areas are and where our

02:04:20.239 --> 02:04:23.720
nonsensitive areas are right

02:04:23.800 --> 02:04:26.920
and all over the US South

02:04:27.000 --> 02:04:29.760
Wales the majority of councils have

02:04:29.840 --> 02:04:33.439
these mapping systems in place but not

02:04:33.520 --> 02:04:36.199
here in Michelle Haven and being a

02:04:36.279 --> 02:04:38.159
greeny our mayor and we've got a green

02:04:38.239 --> 02:04:39.720
Council you would have think that this

02:04:39.800 --> 02:04:41.000
would have been a

02:04:41.079 --> 02:04:44.600
given you know so I don't know why why

02:04:44.680 --> 02:04:46.680
they do

02:04:46.760 --> 02:04:50.920
this when to me and our people the

02:04:51.000 --> 02:04:52.199
cultural

02:04:52.279 --> 02:04:55.239
system is the way to pres it's the sorry

02:04:55.319 --> 02:04:58.439
it's the first step in preserving and

02:04:58.520 --> 02:05:01.199
protecting our culture and our history

02:05:01.279 --> 02:05:04.399
and our Flor and fora

02:05:04.479 --> 02:05:07.239
and like to

02:05:07.319 --> 02:05:11.680
me this motion like I said earlier it's

02:05:11.760 --> 02:05:14.520
a new jerk reaction and I think it is a

02:05:14.600 --> 02:05:17.800
vandetta against sear thinking that

02:05:17.880 --> 02:05:20.279
they're the only developer out there who

02:05:20.359 --> 02:05:22.399
is destroying country

02:05:22.479 --> 02:05:26.640
is it okay for RMS to cut down thousands

02:05:26.720 --> 02:05:29.880
of trees at the at the turnoff at Falls

02:05:29.960 --> 02:05:33.520
Creek the asky turn off to me every time

02:05:33.600 --> 02:05:36.840
I drive there it makes me sick but that

02:05:36.920 --> 02:05:38.479
is allowable why because it is a

02:05:38.560 --> 02:05:39.600
government

02:05:39.680 --> 02:05:42.479
project you know is that the difference

02:05:42.560 --> 02:05:45.000
that there is a cultural process process

02:05:45.079 --> 02:05:47.199
out there we have cultural I went there

02:05:47.279 --> 02:05:50.319
as a kid we have a camp at Falls Creek

02:05:50.399 --> 02:05:53.039
but it was ignored by our RMS you know

02:05:53.119 --> 02:05:56.520
so this is the differeny in in what

02:05:56.600 --> 02:05:58.560
council is doing and the decisions that

02:05:58.640 --> 02:06:00.479
they making I'll talk about I was going

02:06:00.560 --> 02:06:01.960
to talk about something else but I'll

02:06:02.039 --> 02:06:04.800
talk about asking time's up is it Ronald

02:06:04.880 --> 02:06:07.319
someone beh of my

02:06:07.399 --> 02:06:09.159
people I'd like to thank you for

02:06:09.239 --> 02:06:13.159
speaking Amanda thank

02:06:15.840 --> 02:06:19.840
you Ray

02:06:21.760 --> 02:06:24.000
great  councilors any questions to

02:06:24.079 --> 02:06:25.640
Ronnie this evening I'd like John to ask

02:06:25.720 --> 02:06:27.720
a question if you don't

02:06:27.800 --> 02:06:29.880
mind maybe he'll tell you these a member

02:06:29.960 --> 02:06:31.319
of the labor party and not the greens

02:06:31.399 --> 02:06:32.920
party since you are making the decision

02:06:33.000 --> 02:06:36.079
over our country yeah thank you Ronnie

02:06:36.159 --> 02:06:38.760
what I would say is in asking a

02:06:38.840 --> 02:06:40.840
question did it take you long to put

02:06:40.920 --> 02:06:42.119
that together because it was a pretty

02:06:42.199 --> 02:06:44.560
good Spiel I've I wrote it out there

02:06:44.640 --> 02:06:45.720
I've been waiting I wrote it out there

02:06:45.800 --> 02:06:47.399
while I was waiting to go on this is not

02:06:47.479 --> 02:06:49.439
an opportunity for banter  but it is

02:06:49.520 --> 02:06:52.159
an opp I ban back opportunity for

02:06:52.239 --> 02:06:54.760
question for speaking tonight thank you

02:06:54.840 --> 02:06:57.880
great  any other questions councilors

02:06:57.960 --> 02:06:59.560
this is a big decision don't sit there

02:06:59.640 --> 02:07:01.199
and then don't speak you know like we'd

02:07:01.279 --> 02:07:03.560
like you to be open and

02:07:03.640 --> 02:07:05.880
transparent you know like don't hide

02:07:05.960 --> 02:07:07.479
behind the Cloak and Dagger that the

02:07:07.560 --> 02:07:10.159
corporate V thank you Ronnie I got a

02:07:10.239 --> 02:07:12.720
question thank you councelor L thanks

02:07:12.800 --> 02:07:14.119
Madame May and thank thank you very much

02:07:14.199 --> 02:07:16.680
Ron for addressing us tonight  I think

02:07:16.760 --> 02:07:18.720
you mentioned that  to your knowledge

02:07:18.800 --> 02:07:21.840
there wasn't a  a resolution of the L

02:07:21.920 --> 02:07:24.479
 in in support of this position 

02:07:24.560 --> 02:07:26.159
there's reference to a letter that was

02:07:26.239 --> 02:07:28.560
 written on the 26th of July 2024 do

02:07:28.640 --> 02:07:30.279
you know anything about that letter and

02:07:30.359 --> 02:07:31.920
how that came about well that must have

02:07:32.000 --> 02:07:33.600
been approved by a brad

02:07:33.680 --> 02:07:36.279
meeting because we haven't had a  a

02:07:36.359 --> 02:07:38.239
members meeting for probably a couple of

02:07:38.319 --> 02:07:41.319
months since their last elections so I

02:07:41.399 --> 02:07:43.520
would say that's never been tabled at a

02:07:43.600 --> 02:07:45.800
community meeting or at a members

02:07:45.880 --> 02:07:47.920
meeting so the majority of our people at

02:07:48.000 --> 02:07:50.560
roseby Park and all our 180 members at a

02:07:50.640 --> 02:07:53.479
land Council members we would have no

02:07:53.560 --> 02:07:56.199
prior knowledge of that the only I only

02:07:56.279 --> 02:07:58.079
found out 2 days ago that this motion

02:07:58.159 --> 02:07:59.920
was happening 3 days ago and I decided

02:08:00.000 --> 02:08:01.399
to speak

02:08:01.479 --> 02:08:04.079
because we are trying to work with these

02:08:04.159 --> 02:08:06.880
people we are trying to find a system

02:08:06.960 --> 02:08:08.520
that is better for

02:08:08.600 --> 02:08:12.840
everyone and I I'm a greeny I am a

02:08:12.920 --> 02:08:14.720
full-on greeny if you want to talk about

02:08:14.800 --> 02:08:17.720
green I am green anyone who knows me

02:08:17.800 --> 02:08:20.039
knows that like I said when I see trees

02:08:20.119 --> 02:08:22.159
getting cut down it makes me

02:08:22.239 --> 02:08:24.399
but at the end of the day we got to try

02:08:24.479 --> 02:08:27.000
and find a balance right because if we

02:08:27.079 --> 02:08:28.640
don't find a balance we're going to have

02:08:28.720 --> 02:08:32.279
no trees no floor and forner left right

02:08:32.359 --> 02:08:35.520
and here at Kar we are trying to find

02:08:35.600 --> 02:08:38.039
that balance and I believe we are we are

02:08:38.119 --> 02:08:40.640
on a good thing that is not like I said

02:08:40.720 --> 02:08:41.960
it's not only going to benefit the

02:08:42.039 --> 02:08:44.239
jender tribe it is going to benefit

02:08:44.319 --> 02:08:47.199
other aboriginals in getting back their

02:08:47.279 --> 02:08:48.880
tribal

02:08:48.960 --> 02:08:51.479
countries so it is a powerful move

02:08:51.560 --> 02:08:53.439
another question from Council Wells

02:08:53.520 --> 02:08:56.000
Council Wells not so much a question I

02:08:56.079 --> 02:08:58.319
just want to thank Ron for where is he

02:08:58.399 --> 02:08:59.399
he's

02:08:59.479 --> 02:09:01.560
online I want to thank Ron for building

02:09:01.640 --> 02:09:03.760
a bridge between his people and the

02:09:03.840 --> 02:09:05.800
developer and his people in Council and

02:09:05.880 --> 02:09:08.640
the community at large thanks now John

02:09:08.720 --> 02:09:10.600
thank you brother thank you and thank

02:09:10.680 --> 02:09:13.600
you for your service

02:09:14.079 --> 02:09:18.760
brother now any other questions

02:09:20.359 --> 02:09:23.600
councilors none thank you thank you your

02:09:23.680 --> 02:09:25.479
presentation Ronnie have a good good

02:09:25.560 --> 02:09:27.239
life in retirement Amanda I'll have a

02:09:27.319 --> 02:09:30.000
good life don't

02:09:31.600 --> 02:09:33.960
worry our final speaker this evening is

02:09:34.039 --> 02:09:36.800
Alfred Wellington on the same  item

02:09:36.880 --> 02:09:39.159
thanks

02:09:49.000 --> 02:09:51.920
Al thanks  thank you

02:09:52.000 --> 02:09:55.159
counselors  W

02:09:55.239 --> 02:09:57.800
everyone  my name is Alfred Wellington

02:09:57.880 --> 02:10:01.039
I stand here as a proud jiren jine I pay

02:10:01.119 --> 02:10:03.640
respect to my elders past and present

02:10:03.720 --> 02:10:06.399
this always was always will be abigal

02:10:06.479 --> 02:10:09.319
land our sovereignty was never seeded

02:10:09.399 --> 02:10:11.560
and our struggle for land rights social

02:10:11.640 --> 02:10:14.560
and economic inclusion and just Justice

02:10:14.640 --> 02:10:16.399
is

02:10:16.479 --> 02:10:18.800
ongoing I'm here tonight as the CEO of

02:10:18.880 --> 02:10:21.920
Jen J we are member based the Aboriginal

02:10:22.000 --> 02:10:24.479
Community Control not for profit and we

02:10:24.560 --> 02:10:26.359
are responsible for protecting

02:10:26.439 --> 02:10:29.000
Aboriginal cultural heritage within our

02:10:29.079 --> 02:10:31.159
boundary uh Jinger people are

02:10:31.239 --> 02:10:32.159
traditional

02:10:32.239 --> 02:10:34.560
owners uh the direct descendants of the

02:10:34.640 --> 02:10:36.439
original custodians of the land under

02:10:36.520 --> 02:10:40.399
Threat by various sear

02:10:40.479 --> 02:10:42.560
developments last meeting you dealt with

02:10:42.640 --> 02:10:44.600
the kalala development and tonight's

02:10:44.680 --> 02:10:46.640
notice of motion deals with two proposed

02:10:46.720 --> 02:10:49.159
developments one at West kbar and one at

02:10:49.239 --> 02:10:52.159
East cresant

02:10:52.239 --> 02:10:54.239
however we have been recently become

02:10:54.319 --> 02:10:57.159
even more concerned about Sear's

02:10:57.239 --> 02:10:59.800
intentions regarding

02:10:59.880 --> 02:11:02.399
development to the south of kobai road

02:11:02.479 --> 02:11:03.279
as

02:11:03.359 --> 02:11:06.319
well so I'm asking tonight for Council

02:11:06.399 --> 02:11:09.199
to also support in principle our call

02:11:09.279 --> 02:11:11.840
for a moratori on that work for the

02:11:11.920 --> 02:11:15.000
reason Reasons I'm about to

02:11:15.079 --> 02:11:17.279
explain I've been in my role for just

02:11:17.359 --> 02:11:19.359
over a decade and one of the things I

02:11:19.439 --> 02:11:22.479
find most disheartening is that for that

02:11:22.560 --> 02:11:25.359
whole period I've constantly had to

02:11:25.439 --> 02:11:28.119
explain our cultural values just how

02:11:28.199 --> 02:11:30.359
strongly ecological values are part of

02:11:30.439 --> 02:11:34.319
those values in the concept of a culture

02:11:34.399 --> 02:11:36.880
landscape the planning system is not set

02:11:36.960 --> 02:11:40.159
up to uh respect our value system even

02:11:40.239 --> 02:11:41.960
the fact that we are consulted

02:11:42.039 --> 02:11:44.960
separately regarding ecology to culture

02:11:45.039 --> 02:11:47.560
when for us they are one and the same

02:11:47.640 --> 02:11:49.359
demonstrates

02:11:49.439 --> 02:11:53.000
this developers like sear do not respect

02:11:53.079 --> 02:11:55.920
our our value system because it clashes

02:11:56.000 --> 02:11:58.279
with theirs their value system is about

02:11:58.359 --> 02:12:01.800
wealth acculation and needless profit

02:12:01.880 --> 02:12:04.439
there is a statutary obligation to

02:12:04.520 --> 02:12:06.640
consult with us but there is no

02:12:06.720 --> 02:12:09.239
statutary obligation to actually respect

02:12:09.319 --> 02:12:11.680
what we have to

02:12:11.760 --> 02:12:15.199
say we have voiced our objections loudly

02:12:15.279 --> 02:12:18.159
and consistently yet this work proceeds

02:12:18.239 --> 02:12:20.239
our concerns are dismissed and the

02:12:20.319 --> 02:12:22.600
planning system is set up to enable

02:12:22.680 --> 02:12:24.199
proponents to engage with other

02:12:24.279 --> 02:12:27.119
registered Abal parties who do not have

02:12:27.199 --> 02:12:29.359
to demonstrate cultural permission or

02:12:29.439 --> 02:12:31.640
authority yet their voice can be given

02:12:31.720 --> 02:12:34.600
equal weight this is opinion shopping at

02:12:34.680 --> 02:12:36.199
its

02:12:36.279 --> 02:12:39.920
finest the ongoing traa inflicted upon

02:12:40.000 --> 02:12:42.199
us to have our cultural connection

02:12:42.279 --> 02:12:45.000
dismissed if it is an inconvenience to

02:12:45.079 --> 02:12:47.439
development footprint cannot be

02:12:47.520 --> 02:12:49.920
overstated we have argued our case

02:12:50.000 --> 02:12:52.800
directly to cak and the H and trust but

02:12:52.880 --> 02:12:54.920
also to this Council and to the state

02:12:55.000 --> 02:12:56.680
and federal governments over and over

02:12:56.760 --> 02:12:58.079
for a

02:12:58.159 --> 02:13:00.720
decade frankly I will not stand here

02:13:00.800 --> 02:13:03.000
again tonight and restate our case in

02:13:03.079 --> 02:13:06.079
detail because it is offensive and it is

02:13:06.159 --> 02:13:08.560
exhausting and it is also our right not

02:13:08.640 --> 02:13:10.760
to have to share intricate knowledge of

02:13:10.840 --> 02:13:13.439
our culture directly related to the site

02:13:13.520 --> 02:13:15.720
and Associated

02:13:15.800 --> 02:13:18.279
sides this notice of motion is divided

02:13:18.359 --> 02:13:20.319
into Parts which deal with two separate

02:13:20.399 --> 02:13:22.319
issues the first first is West Kara

02:13:22.399 --> 02:13:24.439
which I'd like to see expanded to also

02:13:24.520 --> 02:13:26.960
include the proposed subdivision south

02:13:27.039 --> 02:13:28.199
of kbar

02:13:28.279 --> 02:13:30.680
road at the end of July we wrote to

02:13:30.760 --> 02:13:32.439
Federal ministers for the environment

02:13:32.520 --> 02:13:34.159
indigenous Australians and the state

02:13:34.239 --> 02:13:36.319
ministers for the environment planning

02:13:36.399 --> 02:13:38.239
and Aboriginal Affairs we asking for a

02:13:38.319 --> 02:13:41.159
moratori on West CO development until

02:13:41.239 --> 02:13:44.039
up toate and independent ecological and

02:13:44.119 --> 02:13:45.800
archaeological assessments are carried

02:13:45.880 --> 02:13:48.399
out because no proponent commissioned

02:13:48.479 --> 02:13:52.520
reports can be truly impart partial and

02:13:52.600 --> 02:13:56.159
the reports relied on are out of

02:13:56.239 --> 02:13:59.159
dat these developments symbolize the

02:13:59.239 --> 02:14:02.000
accelerated degeneration of ecosystems

02:14:02.079 --> 02:14:05.399
and species such as quals gliders and at

02:14:05.479 --> 02:14:08.119
one time ago our tot

02:14:08.199 --> 02:14:10.680
aquala these developments are also out

02:14:10.760 --> 02:14:12.479
of step with government directions to

02:14:12.560 --> 02:14:15.079
end clear fing land and tonight we call

02:14:15.159 --> 02:14:18.640
for the council to stand with us in

02:14:18.720 --> 02:14:21.239
principle the second part of this mode

02:14:21.319 --> 02:14:23.319
notice the motion relate to East Cent

02:14:23.399 --> 02:14:25.560
kbar Beach we are asking Council to

02:14:25.640 --> 02:14:27.319
write to Heritage near South Wales

02:14:27.399 --> 02:14:30.199
recommending the revocation of the haip

02:14:30.279 --> 02:14:33.000
original Heritage impact permit the

02:14:33.079 --> 02:14:35.279
cessation of development and the return

02:14:35.359 --> 02:14:37.399
to the site of all

02:14:37.479 --> 02:14:40.000
artifacts I would like to ask you all to

02:14:40.079 --> 02:14:42.119
pause and consider how you would react

02:14:42.199 --> 02:14:44.079
in any other context than a possible

02:14:44.159 --> 02:14:46.520
development site to an archaeological

02:14:46.600 --> 02:14:49.439
find of between 5,000 and 10,000 years

02:14:49.520 --> 02:14:52.960
old of almost 19,000 artifacts to date

02:14:53.039 --> 02:14:56.159
with potentially 50,000

02:14:56.239 --> 02:14:58.760
predicted of cultural material being

02:14:58.840 --> 02:15:00.800
produced that a site of permanent

02:15:00.880 --> 02:15:03.279
occupation which links into the broader

02:15:03.359 --> 02:15:04.920
cultural landscape and which is

02:15:05.000 --> 02:15:06.560
currently

02:15:06.640 --> 02:15:09.800
undisturbed would you not protect it

02:15:09.880 --> 02:15:11.199
would you not make sure there was

02:15:11.279 --> 02:15:13.439
absolutely no way that any development

02:15:13.520 --> 02:15:16.840
could ever impact on that site and that

02:15:16.920 --> 02:15:19.039
even any investigation was carried out

02:15:19.119 --> 02:15:21.960
in a way that would mitigate harm

02:15:22.039 --> 02:15:24.600
it should be Unthinkable that I am even

02:15:24.680 --> 02:15:28.159
standing here having to give this

02:15:28.239 --> 02:15:30.279
deputation councilors should be aware of

02:15:30.359 --> 02:15:32.319
the history of this site what does bear

02:15:32.399 --> 02:15:34.520
repeating here for the public record is

02:15:34.600 --> 02:15:36.680
that for 15 years now it has been known

02:15:36.760 --> 02:15:39.039
by seock and the hin trust that

02:15:39.119 --> 02:15:43.119
artifacts finds were likely more than

02:15:43.199 --> 02:15:46.119
likely that a respected Elder advised

02:15:46.199 --> 02:15:48.199
that burials were possible on that side

02:15:48.279 --> 02:15:51.840
as well that this land was purchased by

02:15:51.920 --> 02:15:54.239
seock despite being completely

02:15:54.319 --> 02:15:56.239
inappropriate for development due to its

02:15:56.319 --> 02:15:58.920
cultural significance and proximity to

02:15:59.000 --> 02:16:01.199
Lake willola

02:16:01.279 --> 02:16:04.199
we have waited 3 years for Heritage New

02:16:04.279 --> 02:16:06.560
South Wales to answer our request to

02:16:06.640 --> 02:16:08.800
revoke the abigal Heritage impact permit

02:16:08.880 --> 02:16:10.640
for the destruction of this

02:16:10.720 --> 02:16:13.359
site that request was supported by

02:16:13.439 --> 02:16:15.359
independent assessment of the cultural

02:16:15.439 --> 02:16:17.560
values of the site and by independent

02:16:17.640 --> 02:16:20.199
archaeological evidence all of which has

02:16:20.279 --> 02:16:22.039
been received and ignored by the

02:16:22.119 --> 02:16:25.640
proponent and the department tonight we

02:16:25.720 --> 02:16:28.399
asked Council to support our

02:16:28.479 --> 02:16:30.840
request the entire process of the

02:16:30.920 --> 02:16:32.959
ecological investigation of this site

02:16:33.040 --> 02:16:35.559
has been highly distressing offensive

02:16:35.639 --> 02:16:38.280
insulting and cause ongoing traa to

02:16:38.360 --> 02:16:39.760
our

02:16:39.840 --> 02:16:41.840
people the more the site was

02:16:41.920 --> 02:16:44.079
investigated the more artifacts were

02:16:44.159 --> 02:16:46.959
uncovered and I saw firsthand the impact

02:16:47.040 --> 02:16:49.399
the SES work out on our younger cultural

02:16:49.479 --> 02:16:52.399
heritage officers

02:16:52.479 --> 02:16:55.120
both myself and our elders met with sear

02:16:55.200 --> 02:16:57.680
and Helen trust Representatives nerous

02:16:57.760 --> 02:17:00.799
times seeking an end to the senseless

02:17:00.879 --> 02:17:03.959
destruction of such a significant site

02:17:04.040 --> 02:17:05.879
but they have refused to work with us in

02:17:05.959 --> 02:17:08.399
a meaningful way this is cultural

02:17:08.479 --> 02:17:10.520
vandalism and it has to

02:17:10.600 --> 02:17:14.079
stop seock the H and Trust ustal

02:17:14.159 --> 02:17:16.879
archaeology and her New South Wales are

02:17:16.959 --> 02:17:19.920
all well aware of these concerns yet the

02:17:20.000 --> 02:17:21.959
most concession and offered to date has

02:17:22.040 --> 02:17:24.040
been highly offensive mitigation

02:17:24.120 --> 02:17:26.440
strategies that will seek to maximize

02:17:26.520 --> 02:17:31.000
development outcomes and temporary stop

02:17:31.079 --> 02:17:33.799
works so tonight we're asking Council to

02:17:33.879 --> 02:17:36.799
join us in asking seock to seize their

02:17:36.879 --> 02:17:38.559
development and return the artifacts to

02:17:38.639 --> 02:17:40.600
the rightful place no other the outcome

02:17:40.680 --> 02:17:42.680
is appropriate there is no way to

02:17:42.760 --> 02:17:45.760
mitigate cultural harm or this

02:17:45.840 --> 02:17:48.680
magnitude ecological values are cultural

02:17:48.760 --> 02:17:51.040
values these various SE like development

02:17:51.120 --> 02:17:53.479
when viewed individually pose threat to

02:17:53.559 --> 02:17:56.360
both when viewed as a whole they pose

02:17:56.440 --> 02:17:59.000
even bigger threat to the whole our J

02:17:59.079 --> 02:18:01.200
culture landscape is is at risk of

02:18:01.280 --> 02:18:03.319
direct tangible harm if these

02:18:03.399 --> 02:18:05.559
developments proceed but more than that

02:18:05.639 --> 02:18:07.520
our cultural heritage values are already

02:18:07.600 --> 02:18:09.559
under attack and we are all already

02:18:09.639 --> 02:18:12.159
suffering a CH of well over a decade of

02:18:12.239 --> 02:18:14.840
fighting this developer in these

02:18:14.920 --> 02:18:17.520
developments the current deeply flawed

02:18:17.600 --> 02:18:19.840
planning inheritage systems enable sea

02:18:19.920 --> 02:18:23.159
lock to frag M our cultural landscape

02:18:23.239 --> 02:18:26.760
and DEC compartmentalize our cultural

02:18:26.840 --> 02:18:29.959
heritage it is a direct result of

02:18:30.040 --> 02:18:32.600
disposition and exclusion that we are at

02:18:32.680 --> 02:18:36.479
a structural disadvantage against

02:18:36.559 --> 02:18:39.159
seock they have the privilege of for

02:18:39.239 --> 02:18:41.040
example being able to afford legal

02:18:41.120 --> 02:18:43.399
challenge to the the decision made by

02:18:43.479 --> 02:18:45.079
the independent Planning Commission to

02:18:45.159 --> 02:18:48.559
refuse development consent for West cbar

02:18:48.639 --> 02:18:50.719
they have the privilege for example

02:18:50.799 --> 02:18:52.680
being able to afford a work around to

02:18:52.760 --> 02:18:54.280
this Council withdrawing their

02:18:54.360 --> 02:18:56.840
biodiversity certification application

02:18:56.920 --> 02:19:00.040
for kalala Bay they have the privilege

02:19:00.120 --> 02:19:02.159
for example being able to pay Aboriginal

02:19:02.239 --> 02:19:03.559
people to come to community

02:19:03.639 --> 02:19:06.200
consultations and then saying they have

02:19:06.280 --> 02:19:07.520
Community

02:19:07.600 --> 02:19:10.680
Support they have the privilege to being

02:19:10.760 --> 02:19:12.879
able to appear in print media and on the

02:19:12.959 --> 02:19:14.840
television as self-proclaimed

02:19:14.920 --> 02:19:17.159
conservationists when they are simply

02:19:17.239 --> 02:19:19.479
part of a flawed biodiversity offset

02:19:19.559 --> 02:19:22.280
scheme known for enabling private

02:19:22.360 --> 02:19:25.680
landholders to make profit windfalls

02:19:25.760 --> 02:19:29.159
windfall profits from public

02:19:29.239 --> 02:19:31.920
money we simply do not have the same

02:19:32.000 --> 02:19:34.840
legal financial and han resources at

02:19:34.920 --> 02:19:37.639
our disposal this is why we must rely on

02:19:37.719 --> 02:19:39.879
all levels of government to act in

02:19:39.959 --> 02:19:42.159
whichever capacity they can to prevent

02:19:42.239 --> 02:19:43.639
that harm

02:19:43.719 --> 02:19:46.120
occurring these notices of motion

02:19:46.200 --> 02:19:48.760
Tonight Show this Council support in

02:19:48.840 --> 02:19:51.239
Your Capacity even it if it is only to

02:19:51.319 --> 02:19:54.040
try and influence elak and other levels

02:19:54.120 --> 02:19:57.159
of government thank

02:20:00.360 --> 02:20:02.440
you councilor kotash you've got a

02:20:02.520 --> 02:20:04.559
question to Alfred I've got a question

02:20:04.639 --> 02:20:06.760
for Al thanks very much elf for your 

02:20:06.840 --> 02:20:09.600
ah for your presentation  most

02:20:09.680 --> 02:20:12.280
enlightening again  I I've got several

02:20:12.360 --> 02:20:14.040
questions that I want to ask you the

02:20:14.120 --> 02:20:15.559
first one goes to your cultural

02:20:15.639 --> 02:20:17.200
Authority  that's something that

02:20:17.280 --> 02:20:19.479
Ronnie was talking about so what what

02:20:19.559 --> 02:20:21.319
gives you that cultural author

02:20:21.399 --> 02:20:26.000
I'm I'm  uh board  I'm directed by a

02:20:26.079 --> 02:20:29.079
board  of directors and we are

02:20:29.159 --> 02:20:31.360
mandated by legislation to protect

02:20:31.440 --> 02:20:33.280
cultural heritage in Al

02:20:33.360 --> 02:20:36.239
Andrew  so that's where I get my

02:20:36.319 --> 02:20:38.799
cultural Authority

02:20:38.879 --> 02:20:43.239
from another question  the the relics

02:20:43.319 --> 02:20:47.239
that you say have been taken off site 

02:20:47.319 --> 02:20:49.280
I'm assing that since you are

02:20:49.360 --> 02:20:51.840
responsible for land in the area that

02:20:51.920 --> 02:20:53.760
you would know how many there are and

02:20:53.840 --> 02:20:55.079
where they are and you've been given

02:20:55.159 --> 02:20:57.600
access to them is that the case no they

02:20:57.680 --> 02:20:59.760
kep in storage and that's the way the

02:20:59.840 --> 02:21:02.120
flawed Heritage Act is that all that

02:21:02.200 --> 02:21:05.120
stuff is kept by the archaeologist 

02:21:05.200 --> 02:21:07.680
until there's arrangements made 

02:21:07.760 --> 02:21:11.040
either care care agreements  signed

02:21:11.120 --> 02:21:15.600
off on  or other mechanisms within

02:21:15.680 --> 02:21:19.040
the  or our our heritage is still been

02:21:19.120 --> 02:21:21.280
in National Parks and Wildlife Act

02:21:21.360 --> 02:21:24.360
 you know we we we haven't got enough

02:21:24.440 --> 02:21:26.760
time this evening to talk about that

02:21:26.840 --> 02:21:30.239
because that's just that's just a utter

02:21:30.319 --> 02:21:33.719
disgrace for this day and age in 2024 we

02:21:33.799 --> 02:21:36.959
haven't got Standalone

02:21:37.280 --> 02:21:39.159
legislation and the last question I've

02:21:39.239 --> 02:21:41.959
got for you before you disappear is 

02:21:42.040 --> 02:21:46.000
about what is your  election cycle

02:21:46.079 --> 02:21:47.719
what's that that happens are you elected

02:21:47.799 --> 02:21:51.079
by your community to be on this board 

02:21:51.159 --> 02:21:55.399
no I'm I'm a CEO so  my  job is

02:21:55.479 --> 02:22:00.479
ongoing  and that proceeds with 

02:22:00.559 --> 02:22:02.600
election cycles and while we were

02:22:02.680 --> 02:22:06.239
talking about governance so  seock has

02:22:06.319 --> 02:22:08.799
been on they a standing agenda item on

02:22:08.879 --> 02:22:11.559
our board meetings that's actually a

02:22:11.639 --> 02:22:14.040
standing agenda item cultural heritages

02:22:14.120 --> 02:22:15.000
and

02:22:15.079 --> 02:22:21.399
sea  and  as far as  not having a

02:22:21.479 --> 02:22:24.079
a members meeting this year  well

02:22:24.159 --> 02:22:28.840
we've had we've had six   of our

02:22:28.920 --> 02:22:30.639
community family passing away in

02:22:30.719 --> 02:22:32.200
succession we've had a couple of months

02:22:32.280 --> 02:22:35.799
of that and in previous meetings and

02:22:35.879 --> 02:22:39.319
members meetings we've had sea on our

02:22:39.399 --> 02:22:43.319
agenda and I can evidence this stuff and

02:22:43.399 --> 02:22:46.000
I can evidence that go ahead Al and do

02:22:46.079 --> 02:22:49.120
what you need to do protect this protect

02:22:49.200 --> 02:22:51.040
cultural heritage

02:22:51.120 --> 02:22:54.520
just one last one if you will  sear

02:22:54.600 --> 02:22:56.600
maintain that they've got about 10

02:22:56.680 --> 02:22:58.159
Aboriginal Representatives that they

02:22:58.239 --> 02:23:01.120
talk with including the J

02:23:01.200 --> 02:23:04.000
L do you know what their cultural

02:23:04.079 --> 02:23:09.239
Authority is the 10 10 R register AB

02:23:09.319 --> 02:23:12.360
original parties well we haven't got you

02:23:12.440 --> 02:23:13.760
know haven't got all night to talk about

02:23:13.840 --> 02:23:14.600
more

02:23:14.680 --> 02:23:16.799
flaws

02:23:16.879 --> 02:23:20.440
country there's more flaws in the 

02:23:20.520 --> 02:23:22.079
cult

02:23:22.159 --> 02:23:24.280
Jack yeah

02:23:24.360 --> 02:23:27.680
they they might not have direct

02:23:27.760 --> 02:23:30.159
knowledge of a place but they still

02:23:30.239 --> 02:23:32.000
minute can be registered as a registered

02:23:32.079 --> 02:23:35.239
ainal party that's the floor that's the

02:23:35.319 --> 02:23:37.000
floor in the national parks while life

02:23:37.079 --> 02:23:39.879
act Our Heritage it's a disgrace Al just

02:23:39.959 --> 02:23:43.000
wait a minute  if the noise in the

02:23:43.079 --> 02:23:44.079
gallery

02:23:44.159 --> 02:23:47.840
continues then I will suspend the

02:23:47.920 --> 02:23:51.840
meeting and we will start again again so

02:23:51.920 --> 02:23:55.280
I asking that there's respect from the

02:23:55.360 --> 02:23:58.600
gallery participants today and to let Al

02:23:58.680 --> 02:24:01.719
speak as he has  quietly let everybody

02:24:01.799 --> 02:24:04.479
else speak councel kotash have you

02:24:04.559 --> 02:24:07.479
finished thank you  sorry I didn't

02:24:07.559 --> 02:24:10.079
mean that to sound tur uh councelor

02:24:10.159 --> 02:24:12.799
Kristen and then councelor

02:24:12.879 --> 02:24:17.280
L  thank you Al for your deputation

02:24:17.360 --> 02:24:20.920
and I acknowledge the  traa and

02:24:21.000 --> 02:24:25.280
distress that this  work is causing

02:24:25.360 --> 02:24:26.959
for you and your

02:24:27.040 --> 02:24:29.399
community it you know it says here

02:24:29.479 --> 02:24:33.280
there's 19,000 artifacts been dug up

02:24:33.360 --> 02:24:35.959
like what what level of disturbance to

02:24:36.040 --> 02:24:40.520
the site has to be done to to dig up so

02:24:40.600 --> 02:24:43.559
thanks for asking thanks for asking 

02:24:43.639 --> 02:24:46.799
okay then a third of that site has been

02:24:46.879 --> 02:24:50.559
excavated and that's just under 19,000

02:24:50.639 --> 02:24:53.360
artifacts now if we talk about the rest

02:24:53.440 --> 02:24:57.799
of it I've been on site with six 

02:24:57.879 --> 02:25:00.239
archaeologist and they all say that

02:25:00.319 --> 02:25:02.319
there's potentially 50,000 artifacts

02:25:02.399 --> 02:25:04.639
that that's coming from

02:25:04.719 --> 02:25:06.959
archaeologist yeah that's that's not

02:25:07.040 --> 02:25:09.319
made up that's coming from

02:25:09.399 --> 02:25:12.479
archaeologists and and so it's it's a

02:25:12.559 --> 02:25:15.680
mindboggling number I mean how many

02:25:15.760 --> 02:25:17.760
artifacts do you need to show that an

02:25:17.840 --> 02:25:21.559
area is of deep cultural signific

02:25:21.639 --> 02:25:25.600
ific ask any aigal people across this

02:25:25.680 --> 02:25:27.840
country and if they say oh it's okay to

02:25:27.920 --> 02:25:30.200
remove every artifact off a site even if

02:25:30.280 --> 02:25:33.479
it's 50,000 ask them if that that's okay

02:25:33.559 --> 02:25:36.159
by them no it's sacrilegious actually

02:25:36.239 --> 02:25:38.000
and this goes against everything but we

02:25:38.079 --> 02:25:40.680
are it should be left alone it was a

02:25:40.760 --> 02:25:43.200
place of intergenerational knowledge

02:25:43.280 --> 02:25:45.760
transfer and it's got huge cultural

02:25:45.840 --> 02:25:47.319
significance leave it alone and that's

02:25:47.399 --> 02:25:49.959
all I want to say about it thank thank

02:25:50.040 --> 02:25:50.680
you

02:25:50.760 --> 02:25:53.360
councilor L thanks thanks Madam May

02:25:53.440 --> 02:25:55.159
thank you very much  Alfred for your

02:25:55.239 --> 02:25:57.440
presentation  I just had a couple of

02:25:57.520 --> 02:25:59.680
questions around the the governance 

02:25:59.760 --> 02:26:01.319
side of things and you did go through

02:26:01.399 --> 02:26:04.840
that uh in in a response earlier  but

02:26:04.920 --> 02:26:06.280
just wanted to sort of get some clarity

02:26:06.360 --> 02:26:08.639
about how often the board itself meets

02:26:08.719 --> 02:26:11.200
versus how of I think I think some of

02:26:11.280 --> 02:26:14.319
the question in here is out out of line

02:26:14.399 --> 02:26:17.000
question our governance like as if we

02:26:17.079 --> 02:26:19.079
don't have board meetings and we're

02:26:19.159 --> 02:26:21.360
actually mandated to cultural heritage

02:26:21.440 --> 02:26:23.959
so I put it on you what do you what's

02:26:24.040 --> 02:26:27.719
your duties what do what Duties are you

02:26:27.799 --> 02:26:32.040
do you have month matters come not an AR

02:26:32.120 --> 02:26:35.760
between question my duties what my place

02:26:35.840 --> 02:26:39.360
is in all on all this I'm sorry you're

02:26:39.440 --> 02:26:40.840
taking it that way Al that's not the

02:26:40.920 --> 02:26:42.200
intention I just wanted to get an idea

02:26:42.280 --> 02:26:43.840
of  how often you have members

02:26:43.920 --> 02:26:45.719
meetings versus board meetings and what

02:26:45.799 --> 02:26:47.760
what sort of matter sorry  I'm leaving

02:26:47.840 --> 02:26:51.079
at that I ask to reach

02:26:51.159 --> 02:26:52.840
reference what's in the motion I I we'll

02:26:52.920 --> 02:26:55.680
leave it vote on vote on what what we've

02:26:55.760 --> 02:26:57.120
talked about here tonight and the

02:26:57.200 --> 02:26:59.760
significance of this place do you need a

02:26:59.840 --> 02:27:01.520
like a panel of archaeologists to come

02:27:01.600 --> 02:27:03.399
here then you will listen to them you're

02:27:03.479 --> 02:27:06.719
not going to listen to the cultural

02:27:08.399 --> 02:27:10.399
knowledge Council laws are there any

02:27:10.479 --> 02:27:12.559
further questions to Al this evening I'm

02:27:12.639 --> 02:27:14.840
over it and I want to walk out and I've

02:27:14.920 --> 02:27:16.440
had enough because this is distressing

02:27:16.520 --> 02:27:17.879
this is what I deal with people like

02:27:17.959 --> 02:27:22.159
these people yeah understood

02:27:23.799 --> 02:27:26.200
yeah keep people shut cuz this is

02:27:26.280 --> 02:27:28.440
disrespectful and like that's it I'm out

02:27:28.520 --> 02:27:31.719
enough yeah so what I disrespectful I

02:27:31.799 --> 02:27:34.280
totally understand that and there's not

02:27:34.360 --> 02:27:37.200
to be like continuing conversations on

02:27:37.280 --> 02:27:41.239
this so is there any further questions

02:27:41.319 --> 02:27:45.559
to Al at this point no okay so we

02:27:45.639 --> 02:27:49.040
release you from the microphone Al 

02:27:49.120 --> 02:27:51.040
and we'll

02:27:51.120 --> 02:27:53.239
the the notice of motion the way that

02:27:53.319 --> 02:27:55.200
it's listed on the sheets at the moment

02:27:55.280 --> 02:27:58.239
is that if we now do a procedural motion

02:27:58.319 --> 02:28:00.840
 it's the it's nearly the second last

02:28:00.920 --> 02:28:03.639
motion  so you are very welcome to

02:28:03.719 --> 02:28:05.600
stay but I completely and utterly

02:28:05.680 --> 02:28:08.479
understand your position  and you can

02:28:08.559 --> 02:28:11.239
 there's some questions here like okay

02:28:11.319 --> 02:28:13.799
yeah I'm willing to engage with

02:28:13.879 --> 02:28:15.319
argents and stuff but there's going to

02:28:15.399 --> 02:28:17.520
be more said about this because I'm

02:28:17.600 --> 02:28:20.159
getting questions on my governance 

02:28:20.239 --> 02:28:21.799
and where I'll get my authority from

02:28:21.879 --> 02:28:23.319
there's going to be other questions

02:28:23.399 --> 02:28:25.760
asked from this so thank you all yeah I

02:28:25.840 --> 02:28:29.479
appreciate you being there thank

02:28:39.040 --> 02:28:41.639
you okay so councilors we're going to

02:28:41.719 --> 02:28:43.639
take an adjournment

02:28:43.719 --> 02:28:47.360
for I'd say five but you everyone's like

02:28:47.440 --> 02:28:49.000
pretty hopeless on five so I'm going to

02:28:49.079 --> 02:28:50.760
take it we're going to take an a for 10

02:28:50.840 --> 02:28:53.760
minutes 810 I want everyone's back in

02:28:53.840 --> 02:28:58.280
their seats and back to do the

02:28:58.360 --> 02:29:01.079
business y yep good hello John we are

02:29:01.159 --> 02:29:04.559
back councilors please take your seat

02:29:04.639 --> 02:29:07.559
I'd like a procedural motion please from

02:29:07.639 --> 02:29:09.360
councelor

02:29:09.440 --> 02:29:11.760
Norris thank you councelor Norris moving

02:29:11.840 --> 02:29:13.559
a procedural motion that we deal with

02:29:13.639 --> 02:29:16.079
the items that have been deputized 

02:29:16.159 --> 02:29:17.799
for this evening so we can bring them

02:29:17.879 --> 02:29:19.280
forward for those that are interested

02:29:19.360 --> 02:29:21.040
and have remained in the room that's

02:29:21.120 --> 02:29:23.799
seconded by councilor L there being no

02:29:23.879 --> 02:29:26.520
 dissenting voices then that is

02:29:26.600 --> 02:29:29.079
carried so Council that brings us back

02:29:29.159 --> 02:29:31.479
to the beginning of the paper yeah

02:29:31.559 --> 02:29:34.520
that's right only need only need six

02:29:34.600 --> 02:29:37.000
more hands and you know it's all

02:29:37.079 --> 02:29:39.200
finished  it brings us back to the

02:29:39.280 --> 02:29:41.120
discussion that we were having on caps

02:29:41.200 --> 02:29:42.399
on short-term

02:29:42.479 --> 02:29:45.399
rental i' had two speakers for and two

02:29:45.479 --> 02:29:46.520
speakers

02:29:46.600 --> 02:29:49.280
against  so councilors in bringing

02:29:49.360 --> 02:29:51.200
back to that discussion is there any

02:29:51.280 --> 02:29:52.920
further points that anyone would like to

02:29:53.000 --> 02:29:55.440
make now that they have heard the deput

02:29:55.520 --> 02:29:58.440
deputy and understanding that the motion

02:29:58.520 --> 02:30:00.159
that is before the council this evening

02:30:00.239 --> 02:30:02.760
is for Council to consider applying the

02:30:02.840 --> 02:30:07.280
cap for hosted at 180 days  in the new

02:30:07.360 --> 02:30:09.360
new areas is there any further

02:30:09.440 --> 02:30:12.479
discussion councilors councilor L just a

02:30:12.559 --> 02:30:14.120
question mad may I just want to know

02:30:14.200 --> 02:30:16.680
what  effect this motion will have at

02:30:16.760 --> 02:30:19.479
point to what does consider mean  how

02:30:19.559 --> 02:30:22.200
toes set actually I guess get carried

02:30:22.280 --> 02:30:24.200
out in reality by this organization does

02:30:24.280 --> 02:30:26.920
it trigger report or what's the process

02:30:27.000 --> 02:30:29.079
here because  consider is a bit of a

02:30:29.159 --> 02:30:31.079
open-ended word  don't know exactly

02:30:31.159 --> 02:30:32.920
what the implications that are and I

02:30:33.000 --> 02:30:34.159
would ask you Madame mayor if you would

02:30:34.239 --> 02:30:35.799
consider an amendment to delete the

02:30:35.879 --> 02:30:38.719
reference to  the hosted cap given the

02:30:38.799 --> 02:30:41.319
concerns raised by the deputy uh so

02:30:41.399 --> 02:30:43.280
counselor I won't take out the hosted

02:30:43.360 --> 02:30:44.360
cap because I think that that's an

02:30:44.440 --> 02:30:47.280
important part of reforming this area of

02:30:47.360 --> 02:30:50.360
 yeah of short-term stays

02:30:50.440 --> 02:30:52.760
as far as I'm concerned cons consider

02:30:52.840 --> 02:30:55.680
because this is for this is for our 

02:30:55.760 --> 02:30:59.200
strategic planners to look at once the

02:30:59.280 --> 02:31:02.200
New South Wales government release their

02:31:02.280 --> 02:31:04.959
current body of work so when the when

02:31:05.040 --> 02:31:06.440
the New South Wales government come out

02:31:06.520 --> 02:31:08.959
with their response to that uh that

02:31:09.040 --> 02:31:12.319
response will be given to the staff here

02:31:12.399 --> 02:31:14.799
staff will then have this marrow minute

02:31:14.879 --> 02:31:18.280
on on the books and they'll be able to

02:31:18.360 --> 02:31:21.120
look at what's come out of that  the

02:31:21.200 --> 02:31:23.920
New South Wales report back consider it

02:31:24.000 --> 02:31:26.079
against the meril minute and then report

02:31:26.159 --> 02:31:28.200
back to the new Council so the new

02:31:28.280 --> 02:31:30.520
Council will have the ultimate 

02:31:30.600 --> 02:31:33.159
position to take when it comes to doing

02:31:33.239 --> 02:31:35.520
that work and it may I mean it may not

02:31:35.600 --> 02:31:38.600
even eventuate in the short term anyway

02:31:38.680 --> 02:31:41.000
because you know we've

02:31:41.079 --> 02:31:44.799
seen many an inquiry go on in this 

02:31:44.879 --> 02:31:46.840
state that have never actually been

02:31:46.920 --> 02:31:49.319
resolved  where the inquiries results

02:31:49.399 --> 02:31:52.239
sit on on the  sit on the table for a

02:31:52.319 --> 02:31:56.040
very long time so that's how I see it

02:31:56.120 --> 02:31:57.440
working is that the response has got to

02:31:57.520 --> 02:31:58.559
come back from the New South Wales

02:31:58.639 --> 02:32:00.280
government then the staff will look at

02:32:00.360 --> 02:32:01.840
it in that context and then they will

02:32:01.920 --> 02:32:03.879
report to the Council of the day if that

02:32:03.959 --> 02:32:05.959
answers your

02:32:06.040 --> 02:32:08.799
question

02:32:08.879 --> 02:32:12.760
yeah any other questions

02:32:13.639 --> 02:32:16.680
councilors councilor kotash thanks May

02:32:16.760 --> 02:32:20.159
Finley  my question is around

02:32:20.239 --> 02:32:21.760
ex make it make it straightforward for

02:32:21.840 --> 02:32:25.239
me which homes would be affected by a

02:32:25.319 --> 02:32:28.959
180-day cap assing the new southw

02:32:29.040 --> 02:32:31.079
government produced the report our

02:32:31.159 --> 02:32:33.879
strategic planners get this minute yep

02:32:33.959 --> 02:32:35.639
and then look at it so which parts of

02:32:35.719 --> 02:32:39.159
our city would be kept at 180 days if

02:32:39.239 --> 02:32:41.680
the new Council agreed with the thrust

02:32:41.760 --> 02:32:43.680
of this meril minute and decided to

02:32:43.760 --> 02:32:45.520
implement that as policy yeah well it

02:32:45.600 --> 02:32:49.079
certainly would not be  the home of

02:32:49.159 --> 02:32:51.280
lurel because she lives in an

02:32:51.360 --> 02:32:53.959
established home in an established area

02:32:54.040 --> 02:32:56.200
so the whole thrust of the motion is to

02:32:56.280 --> 02:33:00.920
try and Sie out and create some spaces

02:33:01.000 --> 02:33:02.840
in the new subdivisions the large

02:33:02.920 --> 02:33:04.559
subdivisions so not just you know we

02:33:04.639 --> 02:33:05.879
deal with subdivisions every day we're

02:33:05.959 --> 02:33:07.280
going to do one a bit later on in the in

02:33:07.360 --> 02:33:10.360
the paper  so it's not about the Dual

02:33:10.440 --> 02:33:13.079
Block it's about things like mosal Road

02:33:13.159 --> 02:33:15.799
North not Mosel Road South and any other

02:33:15.879 --> 02:33:18.559
 future subdivision supplementary to

02:33:18.639 --> 02:33:24.000
that  is it likely that the areas of

02:33:24.079 --> 02:33:27.239
high tourist value in our place will not

02:33:27.319 --> 02:33:28.600
be subject to those caps because I'm

02:33:28.680 --> 02:33:29.959
thinking places like huskerson and

02:33:30.040 --> 02:33:31.319
vincen are built out they're not about

02:33:31.399 --> 02:33:34.079
to be getting new subdivisions correct

02:33:34.159 --> 02:33:37.719
so they will remain correct yeah yeah so

02:33:37.799 --> 02:33:40.280
you know places like heims beach 

02:33:40.360 --> 02:33:43.239
carang that are already at you know 80%

02:33:43.319 --> 02:33:45.959
no occupancy uh they're not covered by

02:33:46.040 --> 02:33:48.879
this this is about new living areas for

02:33:48.959 --> 02:33:52.360
people to live in rather than holiday

02:33:52.440 --> 02:33:55.760
areas where people do not live yeah

02:33:55.840 --> 02:33:59.520
thanks councelor

02:34:01.120 --> 02:34:05.120
Watson mam mayor I think the unintended

02:34:05.200 --> 02:34:08.120
consequences of this are quite

02:34:08.200 --> 02:34:10.079
significant before you write to the

02:34:10.159 --> 02:34:12.200
state government I think you really need

02:34:12.280 --> 02:34:16.000
an analysis back to the back from staff

02:34:16.079 --> 02:34:20.319
and with a with a proper assessment

02:34:20.399 --> 02:34:22.879
on the consequences I wasn't really

02:34:22.959 --> 02:34:25.680
thinking about U the effects it could

02:34:25.760 --> 02:34:29.639
have on the ability to house temporary

02:34:29.719 --> 02:34:33.479
workers in the area  we've lost most

02:34:33.559 --> 02:34:36.000
of our Motel type

02:34:36.079 --> 02:34:38.200
accommodation  and a lot of those

02:34:38.280 --> 02:34:40.120
temporary workers would prefer to stay

02:34:40.200 --> 02:34:44.200
in a a short-term uh situation in in a

02:34:44.280 --> 02:34:45.159
proper

02:34:45.239 --> 02:34:46.680
dwelling

02:34:46.760 --> 02:34:50.079
 and that includes uh do

02:34:50.159 --> 02:34:52.200
there  particularly in the older part

02:34:52.280 --> 02:34:53.959
of Nar there's quite a lot of houses

02:34:54.040 --> 02:34:57.799
which are used by medical staff that

02:34:57.879 --> 02:35:01.319
come and go uh for short periods of

02:35:01.399 --> 02:35:05.280
time and the 180-day cap I don't really

02:35:05.360 --> 02:35:09.239
know what that achieves all that does is

02:35:09.319 --> 02:35:12.879
force you into making the premises

02:35:12.959 --> 02:35:16.639
unviable and forcing other people to uh

02:35:16.719 --> 02:35:19.799
rent out their houses on short term if

02:35:19.879 --> 02:35:21.559
you're going to have a short a property

02:35:21.639 --> 02:35:23.399
on short term you're better on having it

02:35:23.479 --> 02:35:27.079
on short term 365 days of the year it's

02:35:27.159 --> 02:35:29.000
ridiculous just to put a cap on it to

02:35:29.079 --> 02:35:31.600
punish people but what you really do is

02:35:31.680 --> 02:35:35.280
have the reverse effect and you force a

02:35:35.360 --> 02:35:38.639
second U dwelling into the short-term

02:35:38.719 --> 02:35:41.600
Market in I'm talking now not about the

02:35:41.680 --> 02:35:44.159
tourist areas I'm talking about in

02:35:44.239 --> 02:35:46.280
places like now there's a lot of Defense

02:35:46.360 --> 02:35:50.440
staff come and go on short Cycles

02:35:50.520 --> 02:35:53.200
 you've got the medical staff was was

02:35:53.280 --> 02:35:55.000
identified by the

02:35:55.079 --> 02:35:59.000
deputy  and you've got construction

02:35:59.079 --> 02:36:01.280
workers that come in on on short

02:36:01.360 --> 02:36:04.520
temporary Cycles they all need somewhere

02:36:04.600 --> 02:36:07.959
to stay or else if you if you start to

02:36:08.040 --> 02:36:12.559
exclude  the ability for short-term

02:36:12.639 --> 02:36:15.440
accommodation in in a residential market

02:36:15.520 --> 02:36:17.239
and you start throwing obstacles in

02:36:17.319 --> 02:36:19.239
there which actually defeats what you're

02:36:19.319 --> 02:36:22.120
trying to do well I suppose the what

02:36:22.200 --> 02:36:23.799
what's trying to be done is to make it

02:36:23.879 --> 02:36:28.200
unviable for short-term uh rental

02:36:28.280 --> 02:36:29.840
accommodation by saying you can only

02:36:29.920 --> 02:36:31.840
have it for 180 days a year or whatever

02:36:31.920 --> 02:36:35.319
the figure you might adopt  but you

02:36:35.399 --> 02:36:37.200
you're really doubling the

02:36:37.280 --> 02:36:40.399
demand if you can follow what I'm saying

02:36:40.479 --> 02:36:41.920
and I I don't think we should be

02:36:42.000 --> 02:36:43.520
touching this at this

02:36:43.600 --> 02:36:45.440
stage

02:36:45.520 --> 02:36:49.000
 let the staff come back with u a bit

02:36:49.079 --> 02:36:51.920
of an Anis on the

02:36:52.000 --> 02:36:54.319
unforeseen problems that could come out

02:36:54.399 --> 02:36:57.639
of it and it's a very easy throwaway

02:36:57.719 --> 02:37:00.680
line that might sound

02:37:00.760 --> 02:37:03.680
good on somebody's political Brer or

02:37:03.760 --> 02:37:06.159
something but it's not the it's the

02:37:06.239 --> 02:37:07.959
unintended consequences that I'm

02:37:08.040 --> 02:37:10.440
concerned

02:37:10.520 --> 02:37:12.559
about I do take offense to that

02:37:12.639 --> 02:37:14.760
councelor Watson  and I take offense

02:37:14.840 --> 02:37:15.719
because you know that I've been working

02:37:15.799 --> 02:37:17.479
on this for quite some time and have

02:37:17.559 --> 02:37:19.959
brought many a different  approach to

02:37:20.040 --> 02:37:23.200
this to the chamber  the 180 days is

02:37:23.280 --> 02:37:25.440
based on the same cap that has been

02:37:25.520 --> 02:37:29.920
applied in suburbs of Byron and what one

02:37:30.000 --> 02:37:32.520
would hope what one would hope is that

02:37:32.600 --> 02:37:34.079
the state government will come back with

02:37:34.159 --> 02:37:35.920
something nuanced that councils can

02:37:36.000 --> 02:37:39.680
apply in in each LGA rather than the

02:37:39.760 --> 02:37:43.760
current  very poor options that

02:37:43.840 --> 02:37:46.840
councils have to deal with this issue 

02:37:46.920 --> 02:37:49.520
and I think that the the wording of

02:37:49.600 --> 02:37:52.440
motion already gives that option for the

02:37:52.520 --> 02:37:55.280
staff to do councelor gray you're

02:37:55.360 --> 02:37:57.399
next thank you madam mayor I was just

02:37:57.479 --> 02:37:59.239
going to make a comment to councelor

02:37:59.319 --> 02:38:02.239
Watson what would be so different to a

02:38:02.319 --> 02:38:04.760
house being rented for six months it was

02:38:04.840 --> 02:38:07.280
fully furnished that is allowable for

02:38:07.360 --> 02:38:09.520
these workers that you're talking about

02:38:09.600 --> 02:38:12.639
so the the status quo doesn't change the

02:38:12.719 --> 02:38:16.200
airbnbs that are in the CBD that doesn't

02:38:16.280 --> 02:38:18.440
change I just don't understand the logic

02:38:18.520 --> 02:38:21.200
to your argent so question yes and at

02:38:21.280 --> 02:38:23.079
this point let's can we put the motion

02:38:23.159 --> 02:38:25.600
to be voted on please well that's a good

02:38:25.680 --> 02:38:27.399
procedural motion thank you councilor

02:38:27.479 --> 02:38:28.959
gray considering that we've had more

02:38:29.040 --> 02:38:31.559
speakers for and against about six

02:38:31.639 --> 02:38:34.040
months so there is a procedural Motion

02:38:34.120 --> 02:38:36.920
in front of us  councelor Wells I'm

02:38:37.000 --> 02:38:38.159
going to go to the vote on the

02:38:38.239 --> 02:38:40.399
procedural motion and I see a show of

02:38:40.479 --> 02:38:41.600
hands for those that support the

02:38:41.680 --> 02:38:45.479
procedural motion that the motion be

02:38:46.479 --> 02:38:48.520
put that's to put the motion and to

02:38:48.600 --> 02:38:51.639
finish the debate the yep yep that's 

02:38:51.719 --> 02:38:55.600
carried substantially  so the motion

02:38:55.680 --> 02:38:57.680
now will be put I'm not going to take a

02:38:57.760 --> 02:38:59.280
r of reply because I think that we've

02:38:59.360 --> 02:39:01.639
had enough discussion on that to make it

02:39:01.719 --> 02:39:04.120
quite clear what the process is and I'm

02:39:04.200 --> 02:39:06.159
just now going to ask that we go to the

02:39:06.239 --> 02:39:08.399
vote  I won't ask for a show off hands

02:39:08.479 --> 02:39:11.799
we'll use the voting devices thank

02:39:11.879 --> 02:39:15.319
you do I have access to a voting device

02:39:15.399 --> 02:39:18.239
oh we will  activate that for you old

02:39:18.319 --> 02:39:20.639
fashion one and what's your vote for

02:39:20.719 --> 02:39:25.719
John for or against against thank

02:39:31.040 --> 02:39:33.399
you

02:39:33.479 --> 02:39:37.559
well oh here we go here we

02:39:37.879 --> 02:39:40.280
go I'm trying to vote multiple times but

02:39:40.360 --> 02:39:43.879
it's not letting me

02:39:50.879 --> 02:39:54.120
okay we

02:39:57.719 --> 02:40:00.879
got so we've got three who haven't voted

02:40:00.959 --> 02:40:04.000
councelor kitner is not here councilor's

02:40:04.079 --> 02:40:07.479
Well's vote is being  sorted out

02:40:07.559 --> 02:40:10.600
against yeah

02:40:11.920 --> 02:40:15.280
sorry okay so that's passed on the

02:40:15.360 --> 02:40:20.440
casting vote thank you

02:40:29.399 --> 02:40:33.360
so councilors then the next item on the

02:40:33.440 --> 02:40:38.000
list is the proposed finalization of

02:40:38.079 --> 02:40:41.760
Works in kind so that's

02:40:41.840 --> 02:40:44.120
c2424  and we've got the second we'll

02:40:44.200 --> 02:40:47.479
deal with both of those papers  so

02:40:47.559 --> 02:40:51.200
we'll deal with cl24 on as well  cuz

02:40:51.280 --> 02:40:55.680
they're both with councelor white

02:40:55.760 --> 02:40:58.959
c2424 is on page 25 for those who are

02:40:59.040 --> 02:41:01.079
following along and need to find their

02:41:01.159 --> 02:41:03.760
page marker thank you I'm seconding

02:41:03.840 --> 02:41:06.000
those I'm not sure what the resolution

02:41:06.079 --> 02:41:07.479
is yet but I'm sure that you and

02:41:07.559 --> 02:41:09.399
Patricia have got something for us and

02:41:09.479 --> 02:41:11.639
what is that Patricia yeah so I would

02:41:11.719 --> 02:41:13.639
like to move a recommendation the

02:41:13.719 --> 02:41:16.680
council defer this matter back to a

02:41:16.760 --> 02:41:19.479
councelor briefing of the new councelors

02:41:19.559 --> 02:41:21.920
 and then a further report back up to

02:41:22.000 --> 02:41:24.479
council and so you're deferring both

02:41:24.559 --> 02:41:27.920
both yes great and you're seconding both

02:41:28.000 --> 02:41:29.760
councelor

02:41:29.840 --> 02:41:33.200
Wells great okay do I need I don't think

02:41:33.280 --> 02:41:34.840
we need to debate this councilors does

02:41:34.920 --> 02:41:36.639
anyone have a problem in deferring these

02:41:36.719 --> 02:41:39.479
back to the new Council and for further

02:41:39.559 --> 02:41:41.760
discussion to take

02:41:41.840 --> 02:41:44.280
place nobody has a problem so that's

02:41:44.360 --> 02:41:46.760
unanimous for both of those reports to

02:41:46.840 --> 02:41:51.239
go to be deferred thank you

02:42:00.040 --> 02:42:01.879
I hope that was helpful for governance

02:42:01.959 --> 02:42:04.680
that I did both of them together yeah

02:42:04.760 --> 02:42:06.840
okay

02:42:06.920 --> 02:42:10.920
 so the next notice of motion is CL

02:42:11.000 --> 02:42:12.639
this is on the list now of items that

02:42:12.719 --> 02:42:15.360
have been brought forward is with you

02:42:15.440 --> 02:42:19.479
councelor gray CL 24209 the not of

02:42:19.559 --> 02:42:22.040
motion on the

02:42:22.120 --> 02:42:24.319
cabins on tourist

02:42:24.399 --> 02:42:26.719
cabins thanks M so for those following

02:42:26.799 --> 02:42:30.120
along that that

02:42:30.200 --> 02:42:32.799
motion it's on page

02:42:32.879 --> 02:42:35.600
93 well this has been an exhaustive on

02:42:35.680 --> 02:42:37.399
off on off through this is the third

02:42:37.479 --> 02:42:40.280
time it's come to us and I want to thank

02:42:40.360 --> 02:42:43.239
everyone involved this far but I do have

02:42:43.319 --> 02:42:45.440
a question first Madame mayor through

02:42:45.520 --> 02:42:48.680
you to director rupe I noticed in Barry

02:42:48.760 --> 02:42:50.920
for they just did a mail out yesterday

02:42:51.000 --> 02:42:55.040
that said 110 watera Road was approved

02:42:55.120 --> 02:42:57.719
for a tourist cabin and

02:42:57.799 --> 02:43:00.559
pool what was the

02:43:00.639 --> 02:43:04.159
 the regulations imposed there and we

02:43:04.239 --> 02:43:06.520
can thank you director Ray thanks

02:43:06.600 --> 02:43:08.159
through you Madame May  individual

02:43:08.239 --> 02:43:09.760
development application counselor I

02:43:09.840 --> 02:43:10.840
don't have that in front of me I'll have

02:43:10.920 --> 02:43:12.079
to take it on notice but I'm happy to

02:43:12.159 --> 02:43:14.559
come back to counsil as with that uh the

02:43:14.639 --> 02:43:16.719
it's a worth making the point the

02:43:16.799 --> 02:43:18.280
categorization of a development is

02:43:18.360 --> 02:43:20.399
undertaken by the applicant not by

02:43:20.479 --> 02:43:22.479
Council and so it would have been

02:43:22.559 --> 02:43:24.680
assessed in line with the categorization

02:43:24.760 --> 02:43:26.319
that the applicant had put in at the

02:43:26.399 --> 02:43:29.040
time of lodging the

02:43:29.120 --> 02:43:31.600
da okay well the law is the law and I

02:43:31.680 --> 02:43:33.520
don't want to make us vulnerable let's

02:43:33.600 --> 02:43:37.159
point that out so at this pre- lodgment

02:43:37.239 --> 02:43:39.319
stage you're saying that that exposes us

02:43:39.399 --> 02:43:43.479
to litigious action

02:43:43.559 --> 02:43:46.479
true if if we were to adopt what's in

02:43:46.559 --> 02:43:50.399
front of us now

02:43:50.479 --> 02:43:53.920
okay through Madam mayor

02:43:54.000 --> 02:43:59.479
councilors if the recommendation as put

02:43:59.559 --> 02:44:04.479
there  does go ahead I I have concerns

02:44:04.559 --> 02:44:07.639
that we may be being directed by a

02:44:07.719 --> 02:44:10.600
resolution to carry out something that

02:44:10.680 --> 02:44:15.079
we cannot  under our planning Powers

02:44:15.159 --> 02:44:18.719
uh or under the uh the powers that 

02:44:18.799 --> 02:44:20.360
have invested to council there's

02:44:20.440 --> 02:44:22.680
probably predominantly two issues with

02:44:22.760 --> 02:44:26.120
with the recommendation  there the

02:44:26.200 --> 02:44:29.520
first is the Nexus between a ratable

02:44:29.600 --> 02:44:32.280
category and the dictation of a

02:44:32.360 --> 02:44:35.799
categorization for a da  again we

02:44:35.879 --> 02:44:38.000
don't choose the categorization for a DA

02:44:38.079 --> 02:44:39.239
the applicant chooses that

02:44:39.319 --> 02:44:41.000
categorization as part of their

02:44:41.079 --> 02:44:44.520
application process and the second is uh

02:44:44.600 --> 02:44:47.920
the advis advice given prior to lodgment

02:44:48.000 --> 02:44:49.760
to any applicant

02:44:49.840 --> 02:44:54.799
uh how a  specifically how an

02:44:54.879 --> 02:44:56.239
application will be assessed or an

02:44:56.319 --> 02:44:59.639
outcome that may be  predetermined

02:44:59.719 --> 02:45:02.000
before all information is adequately

02:45:02.079 --> 02:45:04.399
assessed through the process can I just

02:45:04.479 --> 02:45:06.559
make it really clear to the councilors

02:45:06.639 --> 02:45:08.559
that the motion that we're dealing with

02:45:08.639 --> 02:45:11.360
at the moment is the amended motion that

02:45:11.440 --> 02:45:15.639
is now on the screen not what is in the

02:45:15.719 --> 02:45:17.680
papers just there's a few quizzical

02:45:17.760 --> 02:45:19.920
looks around the the room so I just want

02:45:20.000 --> 02:45:21.799
to make sure that everybody's on the

02:45:21.879 --> 02:45:25.200
same page Madam mayor just to to to s

02:45:25.280 --> 02:45:28.600
that up councilors I think in in in

02:45:28.680 --> 02:45:31.280
short  we understand that there are

02:45:31.360 --> 02:45:33.959
Community concerns and issues about the

02:45:34.040 --> 02:45:37.000
processes that some uh applicants are

02:45:37.079 --> 02:45:40.719
using to put up or to perhaps 

02:45:40.799 --> 02:45:42.760
capitalize on certain definitions within

02:45:42.840 --> 02:45:44.840
the Le and DCP so there's no debate

02:45:44.920 --> 02:45:48.159
there uh what my concern predominantly

02:45:48.239 --> 02:45:51.799
is is the pathway that Council takes to

02:45:51.879 --> 02:45:54.440
address this issue so I would uh I would

02:45:54.520 --> 02:45:57.440
put to council that  our Collective

02:45:57.520 --> 02:45:59.479
opinion and we've had n a number of

02:45:59.559 --> 02:46:01.600
discussions internally about this uh

02:46:01.680 --> 02:46:03.879
would be for us to take this these

02:46:03.959 --> 02:46:06.079
particular points of view form up a

02:46:06.159 --> 02:46:08.479
report get some formal advice and come

02:46:08.559 --> 02:46:12.280
back to council with the the appropriate

02:46:12.360 --> 02:46:15.280
approach now if that was to happen Madam

02:46:15.360 --> 02:46:17.559
mayor at what point do we hear back like

02:46:17.639 --> 02:46:19.920
could we hear back at the 9th of

02:46:20.000 --> 02:46:23.959
September no so yet again as Stuart s

02:46:24.040 --> 02:46:25.959
he's been put working on it 10 years I

02:46:26.040 --> 02:46:27.399
know Sarah's worked on it as an

02:46:27.479 --> 02:46:29.680
environmental lawyer for the last week

02:46:29.760 --> 02:46:31.959
every chapter of this at what point are

02:46:32.040 --> 02:46:34.920
we going to get something that's so

02:46:35.000 --> 02:46:38.959
nebulous to a Clarity that we can all

02:46:39.040 --> 02:46:40.920
accept I think that's a rhetorical

02:46:41.000 --> 02:46:43.520
question for the state government 

02:46:43.600 --> 02:46:45.440
what we need to try and work our way

02:46:45.520 --> 02:46:49.520
through is this uh new recommend

02:46:49.600 --> 02:46:51.159
I've got Council Wells though in the

02:46:51.239 --> 02:46:53.639
speaking list so yeah I'll sit down for

02:46:53.719 --> 02:46:57.200
a second and then thanks councel

02:46:57.280 --> 02:47:00.159
Wells yeah I have a question for the

02:47:00.239 --> 02:47:02.959
director U James if Council were to

02:47:03.040 --> 02:47:06.799
Endeavor to actually apply this

02:47:06.879 --> 02:47:09.399
recommendation to the pre- lodgment

02:47:09.479 --> 02:47:11.719
process and the development application

02:47:11.799 --> 02:47:13.079
submission

02:47:13.159 --> 02:47:15.680
process what are the likely consequences

02:47:15.760 --> 02:47:20.719
going to be in terms of  applicant

02:47:20.799 --> 02:47:24.079
Behavior so councelor advice councelor

02:47:24.159 --> 02:47:26.280
well as you  I just want to make sure

02:47:26.360 --> 02:47:27.399
that you're speaking to the

02:47:27.479 --> 02:47:29.680
recommendation on screen correct yeah

02:47:29.760 --> 02:47:31.239
the recommendation on the screen is a

02:47:31.319 --> 02:47:33.360
three stage three-point recommendation

02:47:33.440 --> 02:47:35.520
great y that this is the Paradigm we're

02:47:35.600 --> 02:47:38.319
going to follow y in the pre- lodgment

02:47:38.399 --> 02:47:40.120
discussions and subsequent decision

02:47:40.200 --> 02:47:43.799
making in terms of including or

02:47:43.879 --> 02:47:46.600
excluding the farm stay accommodation

02:47:46.680 --> 02:47:49.079
Visa nominate tourist cabins yeah no I

02:47:49.159 --> 02:47:50.280
just wanted to make sure we were all on

02:47:50.360 --> 02:47:51.959
the same page what is going to be the

02:47:52.040 --> 02:47:54.440
outworking of that in the real

02:47:54.520 --> 02:47:56.680
world with people coming through the

02:47:56.760 --> 02:48:00.079
door with application through you Madame

02:48:00.159 --> 02:48:02.959
mayor  look in short councils I think

02:48:03.040 --> 02:48:04.760
there is a potential for for for that

02:48:04.840 --> 02:48:07.559
approach to lead to more uh appeal 

02:48:07.639 --> 02:48:08.879
because I mean in effect we would be

02:48:08.959 --> 02:48:11.479
looking at assessing something outside

02:48:11.559 --> 02:48:14.079
of uh the categorization that an

02:48:14.159 --> 02:48:15.680
applicant has put together but I really

02:48:15.760 --> 02:48:17.280
I honestly really think that we we

02:48:17.360 --> 02:48:19.159
probably need to see further ad on this

02:48:19.239 --> 02:48:21.079
councilors before a definitive direction

02:48:21.159 --> 02:48:25.920
is given  this is uh the first time I

02:48:26.000 --> 02:48:28.639
will have encounted uh the council

02:48:28.719 --> 02:48:31.159
putting a direction to staff on how to

02:48:31.239 --> 02:48:32.879
categorize and assess development

02:48:32.959 --> 02:48:34.760
applications as opposed to dealing with

02:48:34.840 --> 02:48:38.159
this and we've had this discussion  on

02:48:38.239 --> 02:48:39.879
a number of issues dealing with these

02:48:39.959 --> 02:48:42.399
these issues through the policy position

02:48:42.479 --> 02:48:45.719
uh through the lap and the DCP

02:48:45.799 --> 02:48:48.079
effectively this has been going on for

02:48:48.159 --> 02:48:50.120
this has been going on for

02:48:50.200 --> 02:48:55.079
years in a mount P Rock Hill Rock Rock

02:48:55.159 --> 02:48:57.520
Hill Park understood councel Wells

02:48:57.600 --> 02:49:01.520
understood it's just it's just

02:49:01.600 --> 02:49:04.520
indetermined yeah I think everyone's

02:49:04.600 --> 02:49:06.280
across the same issue it's it's a

02:49:06.360 --> 02:49:09.000
frustrating position to be in but what

02:49:09.079 --> 02:49:13.959
we need to  vote on this evening is a

02:49:14.040 --> 02:49:17.719
a motion that yeah is a bit difficult 

02:49:17.799 --> 02:49:21.040
councilor is there any other questions

02:49:21.120 --> 02:49:23.799
or otherwise councelor white and then

02:49:23.879 --> 02:49:26.319
counselor Kristen yeah I've just got a

02:49:26.399 --> 02:49:28.959
question for staff this has been around

02:49:29.040 --> 02:49:31.200
for 10 years I've been here 12 we've

02:49:31.280 --> 02:49:33.079
near discussed it all the time since

02:49:33.159 --> 02:49:35.920
we've been here  what is the way

02:49:36.000 --> 02:49:39.159
forward if I can ask director rayi that

02:49:39.239 --> 02:49:42.639
because what is happening is  the

02:49:42.719 --> 02:49:45.000
community definitely wants change so how

02:49:45.079 --> 02:49:48.760
do we make that change yeah

02:49:48.840 --> 02:49:51.159
right thank you director thank you

02:49:51.239 --> 02:49:54.440
through you  Madame mayor  the the

02:49:54.520 --> 02:49:57.479
core issue that I can see which has

02:49:57.559 --> 02:49:59.600
arisen here councilors is that there is

02:49:59.680 --> 02:50:01.799
a a definition of permissibility in the

02:50:01.879 --> 02:50:05.799
LEP for zones ru1 and ru2 the the rural

02:50:05.879 --> 02:50:09.000
zones that zones as part of uh tourist

02:50:09.079 --> 02:50:10.840
and visitor accommodation then has a

02:50:10.920 --> 02:50:14.280
link  to their there being some other

02:50:14.360 --> 02:50:17.280
definitions in the DCP if Council wants

02:50:17.360 --> 02:50:20.520
to address this issue

02:50:20.600 --> 02:50:23.360
tightly to prevent this from happening

02:50:23.440 --> 02:50:25.440
through development applications

02:50:25.520 --> 02:50:27.360
addressing permissibility in the

02:50:27.440 --> 02:50:29.719
appropriate zonings through the LEP is

02:50:29.799 --> 02:50:32.959
the strongest method to do that

02:50:33.040 --> 02:50:35.799
addressing this through a DCP review

02:50:35.879 --> 02:50:39.120
will give you a stronger policy position

02:50:39.200 --> 02:50:41.280
particularly if we do not waver from you

02:50:41.360 --> 02:50:43.040
do not waver from that policy position

02:50:43.120 --> 02:50:44.520
and you've heard me say before a policy

02:50:44.600 --> 02:50:46.200
is as strong as its consistent

02:50:46.280 --> 02:50:48.799
application uh so that consistent L

02:50:48.879 --> 02:50:51.680
applied new policy Position will hold

02:50:51.760 --> 02:50:54.120
legal strength and gravitus for us in

02:50:54.200 --> 02:50:56.120
ongoing assessments they they are the

02:50:56.200 --> 02:50:58.319
best Pathways I acknowledge that that

02:50:58.399 --> 02:51:02.040
doesn't give a a quick  outcome that

02:51:02.120 --> 02:51:04.360
they're processes that uh that do take

02:51:04.440 --> 02:51:06.799
time and and that will certainly not

02:51:06.879 --> 02:51:09.840
give a definitive outcome tonight but

02:51:09.920 --> 02:51:12.200
they so that just to supplement that

02:51:12.280 --> 02:51:14.920
question then uh the recommendation that

02:51:15.000 --> 02:51:18.079
was printed in the paper uh leads on

02:51:18.159 --> 02:51:21.799
that P because it asks for  making

02:51:21.879 --> 02:51:23.760
every every effort to consider the

02:51:23.840 --> 02:51:26.479
definitions of farm stay accommodation

02:51:26.559 --> 02:51:28.000
as part of the characterization for

02:51:28.079 --> 02:51:30.559
assessment processes in ru1 and ru2 is

02:51:30.639 --> 02:51:33.920
that correct yes in indeed Madam mayor

02:51:34.000 --> 02:51:36.159
that's exactly right so there will be a

02:51:36.239 --> 02:51:38.639
uh an inclusion as part of the existing

02:51:38.719 --> 02:51:41.520
 planning scheme review processes that

02:51:41.600 --> 02:51:43.719
the the  strategic planning area City

02:51:43.799 --> 02:51:46.399
Futures are undertaking uh and there is

02:51:46.479 --> 02:51:49.200
a statement from Council for

02:51:49.280 --> 02:51:51.799
myself to take to my assessing staff

02:51:51.879 --> 02:51:54.120
that will effectively give direction to

02:51:54.200 --> 02:51:57.440
try and Implement as far as practicable

02:51:57.520 --> 02:51:59.520
the uh definitions of farmstay

02:51:59.600 --> 02:52:01.319
accommodation we have to acknowledge

02:52:01.399 --> 02:52:03.200
that Agri tourism provisions and the set

02:52:03.280 --> 02:52:05.120
Provisions are something that are opt in

02:52:05.200 --> 02:52:07.239
we cannot force an applicant into those

02:52:07.319 --> 02:52:09.680
Pro uh Provisions they must opt into

02:52:09.760 --> 02:52:12.000
those Pro Provisions as part of their

02:52:12.079 --> 02:52:14.639
application thank you okay I've got a

02:52:14.719 --> 02:52:17.319
lineup of Lights uh councelor Kristen

02:52:17.399 --> 02:52:19.239
your next

02:52:19.319 --> 02:52:22.639
and then I've got councelor

02:52:22.719 --> 02:52:25.479
L uh thank you madam may I think 

02:52:25.559 --> 02:52:29.280
having heard from the staff uh about the

02:52:29.360 --> 02:52:32.399
the new motion  I would like to

02:52:32.479 --> 02:52:36.600
foreshadow the original motion thank you

02:52:36.680 --> 02:52:39.440
thank you councelor

02:52:39.520 --> 02:52:41.879
L thanks M may I was just going to

02:52:41.959 --> 02:52:43.760
suggest  I think counc Chris I would

02:52:43.840 --> 02:52:45.159
probably think on the same line think we

02:52:45.239 --> 02:52:48.600
really should be hitting the  I guess

02:52:48.680 --> 02:52:50.799
alarm Bell raised by staff just about

02:52:50.879 --> 02:52:52.319
the status of this motion going forward

02:52:52.399 --> 02:52:53.799
I don't agree with your interpretation

02:52:53.879 --> 02:52:55.120
Madame mayor I think this does put our

02:52:55.200 --> 02:52:57.920
staff into a very difficult position and

02:52:58.000 --> 02:52:59.520
 Uncharted legal territory as well

02:52:59.600 --> 02:53:01.680
without having that advice so I would

02:53:01.760 --> 02:53:03.639
just suggest  perhaps that we try to

02:53:03.719 --> 02:53:05.120
keep the substance of that wording which

02:53:05.200 --> 02:53:07.360
was agreed between the deputes  and

02:53:07.440 --> 02:53:09.719
simply changed the first very first line

02:53:09.799 --> 02:53:12.399
 under recommendation to say uh that

02:53:12.479 --> 02:53:14.520
Council receive a priority report back

02:53:14.600 --> 02:53:17.079
that covers points one two and three

02:53:17.159 --> 02:53:19.000
which motion are you talking about the

02:53:19.079 --> 02:53:21.879
council the amended motion well the

02:53:21.959 --> 02:53:23.000
motion that's being debated at the

02:53:23.079 --> 02:53:25.319
moment the motion that was  uh the one

02:53:25.399 --> 02:53:27.200
two and three on the screen there right

02:53:27.280 --> 02:53:30.239
so so you're offering a  an amendment

02:53:30.319 --> 02:53:32.399
to council gray yeah if it's with

02:53:32.479 --> 02:53:34.959
Council gray yep uh so Council T

02:53:35.040 --> 02:53:37.840
priority report back that covers  and

02:53:37.920 --> 02:53:39.280
then you just have those points listed

02:53:39.360 --> 02:53:40.680
there you know and I think that's enough

02:53:40.760 --> 02:53:41.959
direction for the staff to come back to

02:53:42.040 --> 02:53:44.200
us with the get advice in the meantime

02:53:44.280 --> 02:53:45.760
brief us if needed and then bring a

02:53:45.840 --> 02:53:47.719
report back so that we can  go down

02:53:47.799 --> 02:53:49.520
the right path where whether it's an L

02:53:49.600 --> 02:53:50.879
change or

02:53:50.959 --> 02:53:54.360
otherwise okay so councelor gray do you

02:53:54.440 --> 02:53:58.159
accept the the offer of the amendment

02:53:58.239 --> 02:54:00.840
from councilor L and that Council

02:54:00.920 --> 02:54:03.120
receives a report back on the items that

02:54:03.200 --> 02:54:07.159
have have been posited in the now the

02:54:07.239 --> 02:54:09.440
new

02:54:10.799 --> 02:54:13.799
motion  Madam mayor I can see the

02:54:13.879 --> 02:54:16.280
Merit of that but what sort of time

02:54:16.360 --> 02:54:19.799
frame do we have on that

02:54:19.879 --> 02:54:23.200
meantime yeah as you know this has been

02:54:23.280 --> 02:54:25.559
and we keep saying ongoing Ono we've had

02:54:25.639 --> 02:54:29.000
three false starts trying to get this up

02:54:29.079 --> 02:54:32.000
can we put a time frame will it be

02:54:32.079 --> 02:54:35.840
by November it's going to go to the CEO

02:54:35.920 --> 02:54:38.319
and then I'll come to you councelor

02:54:38.399 --> 02:54:41.639
Wells thanks coun we're ctive rock in a

02:54:41.719 --> 02:54:44.079
hard place here because if we if we

02:54:44.159 --> 02:54:47.360
follow Council Christian position of

02:54:47.440 --> 02:54:49.520
going to the original

02:54:49.600 --> 02:54:51.520
motion that's going to involve

02:54:51.600 --> 02:54:54.000
considerable delays too not only to the

02:54:54.079 --> 02:54:56.000
answer that we get on Farm stay and

02:54:56.079 --> 02:54:59.319
tourist cabins but the LEP and DCP

02:54:59.399 --> 02:55:02.200
review process generally for that reason

02:55:02.280 --> 02:55:04.440
I tend to favor the amendment by Council

02:55:04.520 --> 02:55:09.000
L focuses on the the three-stage

02:55:09.079 --> 02:55:11.680
approach uh to identify the shortcomings

02:55:11.760 --> 02:55:13.479
of that and try to address those issues

02:55:13.559 --> 02:55:15.479
and move forward I don't want to slow up

02:55:15.559 --> 02:55:18.239
the whole planning process by going back

02:55:18.319 --> 02:55:20.520
back to the original motion yeah I think

02:55:20.600 --> 02:55:22.280
the the recommendation councelor that's

02:55:22.360 --> 02:55:24.920
in the paper is meant to be part of the

02:55:25.000 --> 02:55:28.360
LE review not supplementary to the LEP

02:55:28.440 --> 02:55:29.719
review but I'm just going to go to the

02:55:29.799 --> 02:55:33.680
CEO that's not what the report

02:55:33.920 --> 02:55:36.440
implies thank you councelor gray uh in

02:55:36.520 --> 02:55:40.239
terms of the  timeline I would be

02:55:40.319 --> 02:55:42.440
cautious about giving you one right now

02:55:42.520 --> 02:55:44.879
on the fly without talking to officers I

02:55:44.959 --> 02:55:47.840
do note however though the amendment uh

02:55:47.920 --> 02:55:51.200
highlight a priority report so we can we

02:55:51.280 --> 02:55:53.879
can take that uh on notice subject to

02:55:53.959 --> 02:55:55.680
council's decision this evening and come

02:55:55.760 --> 02:55:58.600
back to you with with a date 

02:55:58.680 --> 02:56:00.600
estimated date but I think I'd need some

02:56:00.680 --> 02:56:02.440
time to confer with officers around what

02:56:02.520 --> 02:56:04.520
would be involved in the timeline on

02:56:04.600 --> 02:56:07.719
that but take the note of the priority

02:56:07.799 --> 02:56:09.520
uh request thank

02:56:09.600 --> 02:56:12.200
you okay so councilors what we have

02:56:12.280 --> 02:56:13.319
before

02:56:13.399 --> 02:56:16.719
us hang on snap snap snap back into

02:56:16.799 --> 02:56:19.000
place councelor Gray do you accept

02:56:19.079 --> 02:56:23.239
councilor L's  Amendment

02:56:23.319 --> 02:56:25.719
amendment I suppose given on the grounds

02:56:25.799 --> 02:56:28.440
where we're at tonight we have to yep

02:56:28.520 --> 02:56:31.239
councilor Bo do you accept the

02:56:31.319 --> 02:56:34.639
amendment as a seconder

02:56:34.719 --> 02:56:38.360
 yes y I'm not happy about it but I'll

02:56:38.440 --> 02:56:40.879
accept it okay so then what we're going

02:56:40.959 --> 02:56:42.399
to do now counselors is we're going to

02:56:42.479 --> 02:56:45.200
test the amended motion if the amendment

02:56:45.280 --> 02:56:46.799
and then we'll go if we need to go to

02:56:46.879 --> 02:56:48.159
the foreshadow then we'll go to the for

02:56:48.239 --> 02:56:50.200
shadowed is everyone's clear on where

02:56:50.280 --> 02:56:52.879
we're headed great you're you're good

02:56:52.959 --> 02:56:57.239
councelor Wells yep great okay so

02:56:57.319 --> 02:56:59.840
councelor gray do you want a right of

02:56:59.920 --> 02:57:01.639
reply at this point or are you happy

02:57:01.719 --> 02:57:03.319
that we've had the

02:57:03.399 --> 02:57:06.319
discussion great okay so let's go now to

02:57:06.399 --> 02:57:08.159
the vote councilors on the amended

02:57:08.239 --> 02:57:12.200
motion  that was put by councelor gray

02:57:12.280 --> 02:57:13.719
and then had the further amendment by

02:57:13.799 --> 02:57:16.520
councel L and seconded by councelor Boyd

02:57:16.600 --> 02:57:19.079
councelor Wells what way do you vote

02:57:19.159 --> 02:57:22.680
I'm voting for it

02:57:27.680 --> 02:57:33.559
okay okay so the that motion is passed

02:57:33.639 --> 02:57:36.079
and that's yeah thank

02:57:36.159 --> 02:57:39.399
you all

02:57:41.760 --> 02:57:45.479
right next uh motion councilors is the

02:57:45.559 --> 02:57:48.840
recision motion so see

02:57:48.920 --> 02:57:50.920
24255 page

02:57:51.000 --> 02:57:54.079
96 of your business papers councelor

02:57:54.159 --> 02:57:58.680
white and uh list councelor Wells as the

02:57:58.760 --> 02:58:02.319
seconder yep so  so I've put a

02:58:02.399 --> 02:58:05.399
recision Motion in on the issue with the

02:58:05.479 --> 02:58:08.799
 narrow narrow Wally Dogs access down

02:58:08.879 --> 02:58:12.440
there  to go back to option three that

02:58:12.520 --> 02:58:14.920
this matter goes to the new Council

02:58:15.000 --> 02:58:17.600
after further discussions with those

02:58:17.680 --> 02:58:21.559
involved D in the matter now my

02:58:21.639 --> 02:58:23.920
reasoning for doing this and tonight

02:58:24.000 --> 02:58:27.280
really highlighted some issues with this

02:58:27.360 --> 02:58:29.479
so the dog policy when we changed the

02:58:29.559 --> 02:58:32.440
dog policy over the last few years was

02:58:32.520 --> 02:58:35.040
the biggest engagement the council ever

02:58:35.120 --> 02:58:38.520
did  on a policy and we got the most

02:58:38.600 --> 02:58:41.319
submissions and surveys Etc on anything

02:58:41.399 --> 02:58:44.760
we ever did in relation to dogs when

02:58:44.840 --> 02:58:47.559
that policy came up to council it was

02:58:47.639 --> 02:58:50.680
approved moved recommended and went and

02:58:50.760 --> 02:58:53.120
it is now the council's policy on dogs

02:58:53.200 --> 02:58:56.000
and how we get new parks because we had

02:58:56.079 --> 02:58:59.120
spoken and we had addressed all of the

02:58:59.200 --> 02:59:02.639
issues that the community asked us to

02:59:02.719 --> 02:59:05.680
address that was with the we had drop in

02:59:05.760 --> 02:59:08.840
stores we had Community meetings we had

02:59:08.920 --> 02:59:10.799
a huge amount of things that we did in

02:59:10.879 --> 02:59:13.159
that policy and it took quite a number

02:59:13.239 --> 02:59:16.159
of years to get it to where it is our

02:59:16.239 --> 02:59:19.520
last council meeting I asked if all

02:59:19.600 --> 02:59:21.799
questions and all matters had been

02:59:21.879 --> 02:59:25.159
addressed by staff and so I went away

02:59:25.239 --> 02:59:27.959
and like I did with the arborus I did a

02:59:28.040 --> 02:59:32.120
whole pile of research there's nobody 

02:59:32.200 --> 02:59:34.440
as with the arborus there's nobody to

02:59:34.520 --> 02:59:36.840
blame for it but we changed that

02:59:36.920 --> 02:59:39.399
decision after we learned further

02:59:39.479 --> 02:59:41.440
information on what the industry

02:59:41.520 --> 02:59:44.120
standards were for arus that that

02:59:44.200 --> 02:59:45.399
decision was

02:59:45.479 --> 02:59:48.559
reversed on my calculations

02:59:48.639 --> 02:59:50.879
over 40 questions that were asked and

02:59:50.959 --> 02:59:52.799
I'm happy to provide those questions to

02:59:52.879 --> 02:59:55.959
staff over 40 questions that were asked

02:59:56.040 --> 02:59:57.879
don't appear to have been answered

02:59:57.959 --> 03:00:00.680
either in the formal report or a letter

03:00:00.760 --> 03:00:04.079
back to the person who sent it into

03:00:04.159 --> 03:00:07.719
Council and more alarming for me is

03:00:07.799 --> 03:00:09.920
there have been outstanding Gipper

03:00:10.000 --> 03:00:13.000
reports so people have Gipper Council

03:00:13.079 --> 03:00:16.159
for reports and some of these reports

03:00:16.239 --> 03:00:18.159
were gied a couple of months ago before

03:00:18.239 --> 03:00:21.159
the close-off period for the 

03:00:21.239 --> 03:00:23.120
submissions and they were only being

03:00:23.200 --> 03:00:26.319
responded to on the 4th of August so

03:00:26.399 --> 03:00:28.239
after decisions have been made by this

03:00:28.319 --> 03:00:31.719
Council we people had not got their

03:00:31.799 --> 03:00:34.680
formal request for information from this

03:00:34.760 --> 03:00:37.799
Council so they are still assessing that

03:00:37.879 --> 03:00:40.719
information that was provided by Council

03:00:40.799 --> 03:00:43.840
when it was requested so there's a clear

03:00:43.920 --> 03:00:46.760
pattern that we haven't addressed all of

03:00:46.840 --> 03:00:49.159
the issues in relation to the dogs on

03:00:49.239 --> 03:00:53.440
narrow Wally beach now communication we

03:00:53.520 --> 03:00:56.040
can have the get involved page but not

03:00:56.120 --> 03:00:58.559
everybody knows to get involved page and

03:00:58.639 --> 03:01:01.360
I do  I have received correspondence

03:01:01.440 --> 03:01:05.239
this week last week  to give me all of

03:01:05.319 --> 03:01:08.360
the where it's been changed and I always

03:01:08.440 --> 03:01:10.879
register for the get involved page well

03:01:10.959 --> 03:01:13.799
no matter what comes up and not

03:01:13.879 --> 03:01:16.479
everybody knows to go and register for

03:01:16.559 --> 03:01:20.719
that all right now we've had accusations

03:01:20.799 --> 03:01:23.040
made in this chamber and made in other

03:01:23.120 --> 03:01:26.159
places that we have over 200 dogs that

03:01:26.239 --> 03:01:29.399
at sometimes on that beach the PA's

03:01:29.479 --> 03:01:32.040
people have undertaken an audit over the

03:01:32.120 --> 03:01:34.360
Christmas holidays and that audit was

03:01:34.440 --> 03:01:37.680
done by a solicitor down in alala and he

03:01:37.760 --> 03:01:40.040
signed a statute declaration as to his

03:01:40.120 --> 03:01:41.479
results on the

03:01:41.559 --> 03:01:44.879
audit  people have received emails

03:01:44.959 --> 03:01:47.479
from staff saying their questions that

03:01:47.559 --> 03:01:49.959
they've asked will be answered within 28

03:01:50.040 --> 03:01:53.000
days some of them are still some of them

03:01:53.079 --> 03:01:56.559
are still waiting after those 28 days

03:01:56.639 --> 03:01:58.559
on-site meetings have been asked to have

03:01:58.639 --> 03:02:01.879
been had  and they haven't had and we

03:02:01.959 --> 03:02:04.000
went into the teams meeting where there

03:02:04.079 --> 03:02:06.200
were huge amount of people who could not

03:02:06.280 --> 03:02:09.079
access it because they didn't understand

03:02:09.159 --> 03:02:11.120
and from correspondence that I have

03:02:11.200 --> 03:02:13.760
received they were notified 24 hours

03:02:13.840 --> 03:02:15.879
before the teams meeting on how to

03:02:15.959 --> 03:02:18.520
access that teams meeting there was not

03:02:18.600 --> 03:02:20.680
enough time during the meeting to answer

03:02:20.760 --> 03:02:23.120
to Lodge their questions and a lot of

03:02:23.200 --> 03:02:25.639
the people  who wanted to ask

03:02:25.719 --> 03:02:28.520
questions are not familiar with the

03:02:28.600 --> 03:02:31.079
process on teams meetings of how you ask

03:02:31.159 --> 03:02:34.719
questions Etc so there's a big gap of

03:02:34.799 --> 03:02:40.079
information that  we're here so come

03:02:40.159 --> 03:02:43.239
to tonight's meeting and we're sitting

03:02:43.319 --> 03:02:45.000
here tonight and we're listening to

03:02:45.079 --> 03:02:47.879
deputations on all different issues one

03:02:47.959 --> 03:02:50.120
particular was the one that Kylie Knight

03:02:50.200 --> 03:02:53.120
made about the dog park over at Bomer

03:02:53.200 --> 03:02:55.799
and the difficulties that we had during

03:02:55.879 --> 03:02:58.440
that period of time with communication

03:02:58.520 --> 03:03:01.159
and feedback on how we actually do

03:03:01.239 --> 03:03:04.000
things many a time I've sat stood in

03:03:04.079 --> 03:03:06.920
this chamber and said we have problems

03:03:07.000 --> 03:03:09.680
with how we communicate and how we are

03:03:09.760 --> 03:03:11.719
transparent to our residents and

03:03:11.799 --> 03:03:15.079
community so I'm asking for counselors

03:03:15.159 --> 03:03:18.920
to support the recision motion and then

03:03:19.000 --> 03:03:21.159
support the motion notice the motion

03:03:21.239 --> 03:03:23.600
afterwards that this matter goes back to

03:03:23.680 --> 03:03:26.440
New counselors new counselors can review

03:03:26.520 --> 03:03:28.799
the information we can have a counselor

03:03:28.879 --> 03:03:31.959
briefing but most important  and I did

03:03:32.040 --> 03:03:34.920
speak to our  local member in relation

03:03:35.000 --> 03:03:38.000
to this most important is to hold them

03:03:38.079 --> 03:03:42.000
 a workshop with the Paul's people the

03:03:42.079 --> 03:03:43.879
Environmental Group that is down at

03:03:43.959 --> 03:03:46.559
narrow counselors the new counselors

03:03:46.639 --> 03:03:49.000
counselor staff ET ET so we can sit

03:03:49.079 --> 03:03:51.360
around the table and we can talk about

03:03:51.440 --> 03:03:53.719
just like we talked about tonight

03:03:53.799 --> 03:03:56.479
whether or not we can get a resolution

03:03:56.559 --> 03:03:58.959
that we can everybody can live with so

03:03:59.040 --> 03:04:02.319
we compromised tonight on the deputation

03:04:02.399 --> 03:04:03.879
because we had for and against we

03:04:03.959 --> 03:04:06.319
compromised because they talked because

03:04:06.399 --> 03:04:08.840
they were able to get their issues

03:04:08.920 --> 03:04:11.079
across and understand each other's

03:04:11.159 --> 03:04:14.000
issues so I'm not talking about the

03:04:14.079 --> 03:04:16.079
staff and the ref or whatever I'm

03:04:16.159 --> 03:04:18.120
talking about a review of every think we

03:04:18.200 --> 03:04:20.000
have we're going to have seven new

03:04:20.079 --> 03:04:22.600
counselors let those seven new

03:04:22.680 --> 03:04:26.280
counselors have a fresh look a fresh 

03:04:26.360 --> 03:04:28.920
look across the paperwork to see if

03:04:29.000 --> 03:04:31.159
something else can come out that's time

03:04:31.239 --> 03:04:32.520
counselor thank

03:04:32.600 --> 03:04:35.360
you have a speaker against the

03:04:35.440 --> 03:04:38.639
motion councelor Christen yeah thank you

03:04:38.719 --> 03:04:40.399
Madame mayor

03:04:40.479 --> 03:04:44.159
 not not withstanding

03:04:44.239 --> 03:04:48.360
 councelor White's comments

03:04:48.440 --> 03:04:52.479
 I actually have not received any new

03:04:52.559 --> 03:04:55.600
evidence or new argents I've received

03:04:55.680 --> 03:04:58.479
the same argents against what's been

03:04:58.559 --> 03:05:01.399
decided and the same argents

03:05:01.479 --> 03:05:03.360
supporting what's been decided so I

03:05:03.440 --> 03:05:07.040
don't think anything new has come up 

03:05:07.120 --> 03:05:10.360
and so I don't see the the value in

03:05:10.440 --> 03:05:12.920
continuing uh this the process if there

03:05:13.000 --> 03:05:15.319
was things new to come up then that

03:05:15.399 --> 03:05:16.879
would be valuable I don't think that's

03:05:16.959 --> 03:05:18.639
happening I think the balance of

03:05:18.719 --> 03:05:20.040
considerations

03:05:20.120 --> 03:05:22.760
across you know

03:05:22.840 --> 03:05:25.120
distributive procedural restorative

03:05:25.200 --> 03:05:27.399
justice for the dogs people and

03:05:27.479 --> 03:05:29.840
environment are actually

03:05:29.920 --> 03:05:33.920
unchanged  so I vote against this

03:05:34.000 --> 03:05:36.799
recision motion thank you speaker for

03:05:36.879 --> 03:05:39.040
the

03:05:42.040 --> 03:05:44.520
motion seeking speaker for councilor

03:05:44.600 --> 03:05:47.600
Wells

03:05:48.360 --> 03:05:50.600
mute

03:05:53.799 --> 03:05:55.920
jonno still on mute

03:05:56.000 --> 03:05:58.040
jonno we're going to tell

03:05:58.120 --> 03:06:00.799
him what a beautiful phrase restorative

03:06:00.879 --> 03:06:03.760
justice I think we entered this whole

03:06:03.840 --> 03:06:07.239
review of the RF  in Endeavor to

03:06:07.319 --> 03:06:10.440
restore the justice that applied back in

03:06:10.520 --> 03:06:12.760
October November last year when the the

03:06:12.840 --> 03:06:15.639
world seemed to settle down we spent

03:06:15.719 --> 03:06:19.040
$120,000 widening the victory new steps

03:06:19.120 --> 03:06:21.680
to remove the interference of dogs on

03:06:21.760 --> 03:06:24.360
leashes with normal pedestrians

03:06:24.440 --> 03:06:26.120
everything was going along swimmingly

03:06:26.200 --> 03:06:28.879
until a dozen people decided we want

03:06:28.959 --> 03:06:30.319
restorative

03:06:30.399 --> 03:06:33.520
justice  by reading of the situation

03:06:33.600 --> 03:06:36.319
at the moment is that the process has

03:06:36.399 --> 03:06:39.600
been flawed I believe that the RF the

03:06:39.680 --> 03:06:43.559
Consultants  prepared might have been

03:06:43.639 --> 03:06:46.479
their final draft are not the actions

03:06:46.559 --> 03:06:49.319
that were recommended by by Council and

03:06:49.399 --> 03:06:52.040
subsequently adopted by Council and I

03:06:52.120 --> 03:06:53.600
think that goes to the heart of a range

03:06:53.680 --> 03:06:55.120
of questions that Council White's

03:06:55.200 --> 03:06:58.840
already referred to so I support her 

03:06:58.920 --> 03:07:01.799
and the incoming Council in a thorough G

03:07:01.879 --> 03:07:04.600
review by all parties in the same room

03:07:04.680 --> 03:07:06.920
of all the evidence and information to

03:07:07.000 --> 03:07:09.000
come up was an acceptable

03:07:09.079 --> 03:07:12.159
solution to this almost insoluable

03:07:12.239 --> 03:07:15.120
problem it's been going on for well as

03:07:15.200 --> 03:07:18.639
long as uh St

03:07:18.719 --> 03:07:20.200
and other issues that we've dealt with

03:07:20.280 --> 03:07:22.559
tonight so I'm going to support Council

03:07:22.639 --> 03:07:24.920
White's residing Miss thank you thanks

03:07:25.000 --> 03:07:27.600
Council Wells speaker against councilor

03:07:27.680 --> 03:07:30.920
kotash got a question thank you question

03:07:31.000 --> 03:07:34.479
for  oh will CEO your job to decide

03:07:34.559 --> 03:07:36.959
who takes it  it's a question that I

03:07:37.040 --> 03:07:39.120
asked the deputy about earlier on this

03:07:39.200 --> 03:07:41.600
evening about the viewing platform there

03:07:41.680 --> 03:07:45.440
was some  people concerned that the

03:07:45.520 --> 03:07:48.079
viewing platform would put dogs

03:07:48.159 --> 03:07:51.120
closer to shore birds and they would be

03:07:51.200 --> 03:07:54.120
if they were in a different part of thef

03:07:54.200 --> 03:07:56.799
zone so I wonder if uh maybe director

03:07:56.879 --> 03:07:59.879
Ray or perhaps Dr Roberts could speak to

03:07:59.959 --> 03:08:02.159
that yeah we'll go to Dr Roberts he'll

03:08:02.239 --> 03:08:02.959
give

03:08:03.040 --> 03:08:06.159
us through you m finle so the viewing

03:08:06.239 --> 03:08:09.840
platform is located landwood of the hind

03:08:09.920 --> 03:08:12.840
June the actual habitat of threatened

03:08:12.920 --> 03:08:15.360
Shorebirds is the intertitle rocky

03:08:15.440 --> 03:08:17.639
platform there is actually some natur

03:08:17.719 --> 03:08:19.520
barrier or geographical barrier that

03:08:19.600 --> 03:08:21.959
occurs between the viewing platform and

03:08:22.040 --> 03:08:24.319
that threatened species habitat if there

03:08:24.399 --> 03:08:26.760
is likely to be any unfed access into

03:08:26.840 --> 03:08:28.559
threatened Shorebirds location from the

03:08:28.639 --> 03:08:31.479
viewing platform mind you it was

03:08:31.559 --> 03:08:34.360
constructed for disability access we

03:08:34.440 --> 03:08:37.280
will put in place adaptive management to

03:08:37.360 --> 03:08:39.440
prevent that unfitted access and

03:08:39.520 --> 03:08:41.479
obviously to prevent any impacts on the

03:08:41.559 --> 03:08:44.040
threatened Shorebirds but also must be

03:08:44.120 --> 03:08:46.680
mentioned to reiterate the Declaration

03:08:46.760 --> 03:08:49.239
of that prohib hibited area to the South

03:08:49.319 --> 03:08:51.719
was about a balance between the

03:08:51.799 --> 03:08:54.000
ecological and social constraints

03:08:54.079 --> 03:08:57.319
associated with the proposed activity

03:08:57.399 --> 03:08:59.559
therefore the social constraints that

03:08:59.639 --> 03:09:02.000
were mitigated were all about the fact

03:09:02.079 --> 03:09:04.719
that it is used by other users for

03:09:04.799 --> 03:09:07.799
recreational activities including it is

03:09:07.879 --> 03:09:10.520
a patrolled beach in the smer months

03:09:10.600 --> 03:09:12.680
the ecological constraints are

03:09:12.760 --> 03:09:15.200
threatened shorebird habitat it might

03:09:15.280 --> 03:09:18.280
just be foraging or Sheltering habitat

03:09:18.360 --> 03:09:21.319
but when it comes to shore birds the

03:09:21.399 --> 03:09:24.840
foraging Sheltering and nesting habitat

03:09:24.920 --> 03:09:27.360
are mutually exclusive in certain

03:09:27.440 --> 03:09:29.920
instances the area to the north narrow

03:09:30.000 --> 03:09:33.799
wal Inlet contains not mutually

03:09:33.879 --> 03:09:36.280
exclusive habitat characteristics

03:09:36.360 --> 03:09:38.399
they're all supplied if you take away

03:09:38.479 --> 03:09:40.600
one it will have an impact as I have

03:09:40.680 --> 03:09:43.120
mentioned previously to to as well some

03:09:43.200 --> 03:09:44.879
of these species are listed under

03:09:44.959 --> 03:09:47.760
Federal legislation if we have an on

03:09:47.840 --> 03:09:50.520
them it will be a controlled action and

03:09:50.600 --> 03:09:54.399
a referral will be required to the

03:09:54.639 --> 03:09:57.319
Commonwealth thank you councilor kotash

03:09:57.399 --> 03:09:59.840
do you have any supplementary questions

03:09:59.920 --> 03:10:02.319
yep so we're now going to request is

03:10:02.399 --> 03:10:05.319
there a speaker against the motion or

03:10:05.399 --> 03:10:07.639
are there any further

03:10:07.719 --> 03:10:10.399
speakers R of

03:10:10.479 --> 03:10:13.159
reply and thank you everyone for your

03:10:13.239 --> 03:10:17.079
questions Etc so councelor Christian

03:10:17.159 --> 03:10:19.600
said said there's no new evidence that's

03:10:19.680 --> 03:10:21.959
because we haven't had all the questions

03:10:22.040 --> 03:10:24.319
answered so how would you have new

03:10:24.399 --> 03:10:27.000
evidence if you haven't had all the data

03:10:27.079 --> 03:10:30.079
all of the questions Etc answered that

03:10:30.159 --> 03:10:32.000
is what I'm looking for is for the

03:10:32.079 --> 03:10:35.360
council to review what we have done I

03:10:35.440 --> 03:10:38.200
went to the afternoon tea this afternoon

03:10:38.280 --> 03:10:41.000
and I heard every single person that

03:10:41.079 --> 03:10:43.520
spoke congratulate each other

03:10:43.600 --> 03:10:46.159
congratulate the staff and congratulate

03:10:46.239 --> 03:10:48.440
saying we're all here working for the

03:10:48.520 --> 03:10:51.079
community we're all here working for the

03:10:51.159 --> 03:10:54.440
residents that's why we do it right we

03:10:54.520 --> 03:10:57.000
all said that and here we have a

03:10:57.079 --> 03:11:00.760
community that has put in over

03:11:00.840 --> 03:11:05.360
750  submissions or surveys and when

03:11:05.440 --> 03:11:08.239
you look at the data one in five was

03:11:08.319 --> 03:11:12.440
against the four one four and five were

03:11:12.520 --> 03:11:15.639
four  the area so how are we listening

03:11:15.719 --> 03:11:18.680
to the community when we're getting the

03:11:18.760 --> 03:11:21.280
data because we don't like the data well

03:11:21.360 --> 03:11:23.760
let's not use the data let's just make

03:11:23.840 --> 03:11:26.600
opinions that we get back in relation to

03:11:26.680 --> 03:11:29.520
the ref I didn't bring the ref up but

03:11:29.600 --> 03:11:31.319
there are questions in relation to the

03:11:31.399 --> 03:11:33.799
ref there are questions in relation to

03:11:33.879 --> 03:11:36.440
that platform and I'm very surprised

03:11:36.520 --> 03:11:38.239
that I can't find that ref for that

03:11:38.319 --> 03:11:41.479
platform on the council website anymore

03:11:41.559 --> 03:11:44.440
 after it was queried so I think there

03:11:44.520 --> 03:11:47.440
is enough evidence here to go back and

03:11:47.520 --> 03:11:49.360
ask the new Council the new Council

03:11:49.440 --> 03:11:51.559
might say no we don't want to review it

03:11:51.639 --> 03:11:54.680
they may say that but then the coun then

03:11:54.760 --> 03:11:57.799
the  residents down there will know

03:11:57.879 --> 03:11:59.479
where they stand with that and what

03:11:59.559 --> 03:12:01.840
action they need to take against Council

03:12:01.920 --> 03:12:04.159
but give them the opportunity to have

03:12:04.239 --> 03:12:06.639
their say give the opportunity for the

03:12:06.719 --> 03:12:09.399
groups to meet together and see whether

03:12:09.479 --> 03:12:11.840
or not there can be a compromise and I

03:12:11.920 --> 03:12:14.280
do know that letters that have come into

03:12:14.360 --> 03:12:17.399
Council because I've been cced into them

03:12:17.479 --> 03:12:20.079
but they are willing to compromise so

03:12:20.159 --> 03:12:22.719
counil leave just wait a minute I know

03:12:22.799 --> 03:12:26.440
that's fine thank you

03:12:32.280 --> 03:12:35.360
sorry original from the St generation

03:12:35.440 --> 03:12:37.319
and I want that I'd like you to all

03:12:37.399 --> 03:12:39.600
leave the chambers please if you're

03:12:39.680 --> 03:12:42.000
going to continue to be fractur towards

03:12:42.079 --> 03:12:44.319
one another taking photographs of an

03:12:44.399 --> 03:12:47.840
Aboriginal thank you thank you if you've

03:12:47.920 --> 03:12:49.399
got a problem you need to take it

03:12:49.479 --> 03:12:51.760
outside it's not my

03:12:51.840 --> 03:12:54.079
problem all of you need to take that

03:12:54.159 --> 03:12:56.120
outside it's not my problem to deal with

03:12:56.200 --> 03:12:57.879
my problem is to keep this meeting in

03:12:57.959 --> 03:13:01.399
order and to keep this going so it's

03:13:01.479 --> 03:13:04.200
time for you to leave I think so

03:13:04.280 --> 03:13:06.520
councilors  we need to take this now

03:13:06.600 --> 03:13:07.520
to a

03:13:07.600 --> 03:13:10.079
vote thank

03:13:10.159 --> 03:13:12.680
you so we're now voting on The recision

03:13:12.760 --> 03:13:15.760
motion

03:13:18.079 --> 03:13:19.920
councilor Wells  I'm going to take it

03:13:20.000 --> 03:13:21.559
that you support the vision the the

03:13:21.639 --> 03:13:23.959
recision motion but I would like to 

03:13:24.040 --> 03:13:27.120
hear your voice that absolutely yeah we

03:13:27.200 --> 03:13:29.399
are

03:13:40.319 --> 03:13:42.799
voting thank you the uh recision motion

03:13:42.879 --> 03:13:45.559
is defeated which means that the uh next

03:13:45.639 --> 03:13:48.959
motion lapses than thank you uh the next

03:13:49.040 --> 03:13:52.280
one is the notice of motion on the

03:13:52.360 --> 03:13:55.440
Milton alala

03:13:56.959 --> 03:14:00.280
bulldogs and that is on

03:14:00.360 --> 03:14:02.879
page

03:14:02.959 --> 03:14:04.920
100 councilor

03:14:05.000 --> 03:14:07.319
L well thank thank you very much uh

03:14:07.399 --> 03:14:08.760
Madame mayor and I'm really pleased to

03:14:08.840 --> 03:14:10.520
be moving this motion tonight I do want

03:14:10.600 --> 03:14:13.719
to thank the club uh for their campaign

03:14:13.799 --> 03:14:15.760
and for their uh lobbying on this issue

03:14:15.840 --> 03:14:17.760
and want to acknowledge that Deputy who

03:14:17.840 --> 03:14:20.399
was able to address this tonight 

03:14:20.479 --> 03:14:22.319
councilors this is an issue which 

03:14:22.399 --> 03:14:23.840
many of you would be aware of through

03:14:23.920 --> 03:14:25.399
the media and will have had contact with

03:14:25.479 --> 03:14:28.120
the club itself as well uh we've had a

03:14:28.200 --> 03:14:29.920
petition tonight of close to 700

03:14:30.000 --> 03:14:31.520
signatures from the community and there

03:14:31.600 --> 03:14:32.879
are more signatures coming in as we

03:14:32.959 --> 03:14:34.280
speak on that petition it's still

03:14:34.360 --> 03:14:37.479
running  we heard from the deputy

03:14:37.559 --> 03:14:39.479
about a number of important uh factors

03:14:39.559 --> 03:14:41.600
in terms of this project the  Milton

03:14:41.680 --> 03:14:43.639
all Dolla Bulldogs have been growing

03:14:43.719 --> 03:14:45.200
each and every year now and hosts up to

03:14:45.280 --> 03:14:47.639
four women's teams  total over 70

03:14:47.719 --> 03:14:49.479
female players this is in comparison to

03:14:49.559 --> 03:14:51.959
free men's team  teams which have

03:14:52.040 --> 03:14:55.120
around 60 to 7 70 players  despite

03:14:55.200 --> 03:14:56.639
there being more female players than

03:14:56.719 --> 03:14:58.120
male the female players are still

03:14:58.200 --> 03:15:00.239
sharing chain room facilities with men

03:15:00.319 --> 03:15:02.399
or changting in the storage sheds these

03:15:02.479 --> 03:15:03.840
concerns are also in addition to the

03:15:03.920 --> 03:15:05.159
unacceptable state of the current

03:15:05.239 --> 03:15:07.200
facilities there are only two female

03:15:07.280 --> 03:15:08.760
toilets available with free currently

03:15:08.840 --> 03:15:10.520
out of order including the accessible

03:15:10.600 --> 03:15:13.000
toilet players have also had to battle

03:15:13.079 --> 03:15:15.319
with overflowing Ser tissues as Sally

03:15:15.399 --> 03:15:17.479
outlined and showed us in the photos no

03:15:17.559 --> 03:15:19.319
presentation and there are a lack of

03:15:19.399 --> 03:15:21.159
sanitary bins as well which is a issue

03:15:21.239 --> 03:15:24.200
for female players and volunteers  on

03:15:24.280 --> 03:15:26.280
game days over 400 people watch the game

03:15:26.360 --> 03:15:27.520
we're visiting teams and their friends

03:15:27.600 --> 03:15:29.319
and family also in attendance the

03:15:29.399 --> 03:15:31.079
current situation is embarrassing to the

03:15:31.159 --> 03:15:32.639
club and to the broader Community for

03:15:32.719 --> 03:15:35.840
those visiting the Shoalhaven at that time

03:15:35.920 --> 03:15:37.680
 I want to acknowledge that there was

03:15:37.760 --> 03:15:39.920
a meeting held with the club uh with the

03:15:40.000 --> 03:15:41.920
honorable Natalie Ward mlc and I want to

03:15:42.000 --> 03:15:43.360
thank Natalie Ward for coming down to

03:15:43.440 --> 03:15:45.799
meet with Sally and the club along with

03:15:45.879 --> 03:15:48.399
Luke sakur who I in tennis tonight but I

03:15:48.479 --> 03:15:49.799
want to acknowledge Luke's efforts on

03:15:49.879 --> 03:15:51.479
this issue he's met with the club on a

03:15:51.559 --> 03:15:53.319
number of occasions he's been in close

03:15:53.399 --> 03:15:54.680
contact with them he's helped them with

03:15:54.760 --> 03:15:56.879
this petition and getting this issue on

03:15:56.959 --> 03:15:59.559
the agenda tonight  this issue Council

03:15:59.639 --> 03:16:01.399
should be be Beyond politics it's not a

03:16:01.479 --> 03:16:03.120
political issue I would hope I would

03:16:03.200 --> 03:16:06.920
hope that all councilors tonight will uh

03:16:07.000 --> 03:16:09.600
support this issue uh I'll let you

03:16:09.680 --> 03:16:13.239
address Council WS no you keep going 

03:16:13.319 --> 03:16:14.959
what have you got sorry you got a point

03:16:15.040 --> 03:16:17.159
of order what's your point of order well

03:16:17.239 --> 03:16:19.399
coun Council just said this is above a

03:16:19.479 --> 03:16:20.719
political issue and then he goes and

03:16:20.799 --> 03:16:23.559
introduces candidate Li party in three

03:16:23.639 --> 03:16:25.159
right well there's

03:16:25.239 --> 03:16:27.479
no that's not a point that's not a

03:16:27.559 --> 03:16:29.959
relevant Point order and doesn't

03:16:30.040 --> 03:16:32.239
match isue on behalf of the community

03:16:32.319 --> 03:16:35.120
and it really is a shame that  that

03:16:35.200 --> 03:16:37.399
that would be the  your where you

03:16:37.479 --> 03:16:39.879
would go with that John  so as we know

03:16:39.959 --> 03:16:42.600
there was a successful Grant application

03:16:42.680 --> 03:16:44.120
uh which was received supported by

03:16:44.200 --> 03:16:45.559
Council I think they will letter us of

03:16:45.639 --> 03:16:47.840
support from individual and Ward free I

03:16:47.920 --> 03:16:49.879
think even yourself Madame May supported

03:16:49.959 --> 03:16:52.479
that at the time so I think what we're

03:16:52.559 --> 03:16:54.159
seeking to do with this motion and this

03:16:54.239 --> 03:16:55.719
is a call from the community call from

03:16:55.799 --> 03:16:57.920
this group uh is to try to keep this

03:16:58.000 --> 03:16:59.360
project on track uh there were some

03:16:59.440 --> 03:17:01.360
resolutions carried in this chamber

03:17:01.440 --> 03:17:03.040
which whilst they didn't reference this

03:17:03.120 --> 03:17:05.159
particular project in the resolution and

03:17:05.239 --> 03:17:06.399
if you go back and look at the minutes

03:17:06.479 --> 03:17:08.600
it wasn't referred to uh in the list of

03:17:08.680 --> 03:17:11.040
other projects like the Bob proud put

03:17:11.120 --> 03:17:13.040
Pavilion Pavilion and other projects

03:17:13.120 --> 03:17:14.959
like the pp tracks where there was a

03:17:15.040 --> 03:17:16.840
specific resolution to say that uh

03:17:16.920 --> 03:17:18.280
Council would not be proceeding at that

03:17:18.360 --> 03:17:20.079
time due to the financial sustainability

03:17:20.159 --> 03:17:22.639
issues but not withstanding that there

03:17:22.719 --> 03:17:25.120
was advice given to the club to say that

03:17:25.200 --> 03:17:27.159
due to the carriage of those resolutions

03:17:27.239 --> 03:17:28.959
that these projects could not continue

03:17:29.040 --> 03:17:32.040
so councils I'm just seeking your uh

03:17:32.120 --> 03:17:33.840
consideration on supporting this m

03:17:33.920 --> 03:17:35.600
motion tonight  the community is

03:17:35.680 --> 03:17:37.239
asking for Action this is the last

03:17:37.319 --> 03:17:39.319
meeting that we had before the election

03:17:39.399 --> 03:17:41.479
uh ordinary meeting before the election

03:17:41.559 --> 03:17:43.639
uh I think that whilst it's great for

03:17:43.719 --> 03:17:45.719
people to express their support and uh

03:17:45.799 --> 03:17:47.920
look it's been right across the Spectr

03:17:48.000 --> 03:17:49.680
we've got an opportunity tonight to keep

03:17:49.760 --> 03:17:51.799
Faith with this club to address the

03:17:51.879 --> 03:17:53.120
concern that they have and to make sure

03:17:53.200 --> 03:17:54.840
that we can keep this project moving

03:17:54.920 --> 03:17:56.120
forward and to make sure that they do

03:17:56.200 --> 03:17:57.360
not lose their Grant which would be a

03:17:57.440 --> 03:17:59.879
terrible outcome so councelor L just

03:17:59.959 --> 03:18:01.559
says that we're all clear and on the

03:18:01.639 --> 03:18:04.680
same page  the motion that we're

03:18:04.760 --> 03:18:07.959
looking at is the is an amended motion

03:18:08.040 --> 03:18:11.000
to the one that is in the paper did that

03:18:11.079 --> 03:18:12.879
come from well I thought it was coming

03:18:12.959 --> 03:18:14.479
that's why I'm asking you is that that's

03:18:14.559 --> 03:18:16.559
what I thought me right I was going to

03:18:16.639 --> 03:18:18.760
ask for an amendment okay so you're

03:18:18.840 --> 03:18:20.799
moving what's in the paper is that

03:18:20.879 --> 03:18:22.760
correct uh well the replacement yeah

03:18:22.840 --> 03:18:24.360
paper  that's correct and I think

03:18:24.440 --> 03:18:25.680
there's an amendment from Council white

03:18:25.760 --> 03:18:28.399
which I'll be giving

03:18:28.479 --> 03:18:31.559
consideration okay that that Hollow part

03:18:31.639 --> 03:18:34.280
so in the replacement page sorry can I

03:18:34.360 --> 03:18:39.360
have  was there any amendments on

03:18:40.239 --> 03:18:46.040
that was a minut there I oh

03:18:59.239 --> 03:19:03.479
correct that St instruction instruct

03:19:03.559 --> 03:19:05.840
okay okay sorry councilor was I'm just

03:19:05.920 --> 03:19:07.760
making sure that I've got some clarity

03:19:07.840 --> 03:19:12.120
on What's  what's happening uh I have

03:19:12.200 --> 03:19:15.680
actually got councelor white listed and

03:19:15.760 --> 03:19:18.239
councelor christen after you so Council

03:19:18.319 --> 03:19:19.840
white do you want to go ahead

03:19:19.920 --> 03:19:22.440
please you want to get a second I'll

03:19:22.520 --> 03:19:24.959
second it but I want an amendment but

03:19:25.040 --> 03:19:28.200
we'll discuss that as I go through  so

03:19:28.280 --> 03:19:30.840
in relation to this  matter we heard

03:19:30.920 --> 03:19:34.120
from Sally Stewart speak here  and she

03:19:34.200 --> 03:19:37.440
did ask for us to  support some

03:19:37.520 --> 03:19:41.120
amendments  and I'm happy to test the

03:19:41.200 --> 03:19:42.840
council out in relation to the

03:19:42.920 --> 03:19:45.920
Amendments all right  so she's asked

03:19:46.000 --> 03:19:48.479
us in her deputation to exclude milon

03:19:48.559 --> 03:19:53.799
Lela football club from m a minute 23

03:19:53.879 --> 03:19:56.079
6673 which states that no new

03:19:56.159 --> 03:19:59.479
infrastructure will be taken uh without

03:19:59.559 --> 03:20:03.040
a full business case being in place now

03:20:03.120 --> 03:20:06.120
I'll read the Amendments out so  we

03:20:06.200 --> 03:20:07.520
can move through them and then I'll

03:20:07.600 --> 03:20:10.120
speak to them  approved proceedings

03:20:10.200 --> 03:20:12.879
with stage one and two of the amenities

03:20:12.959 --> 03:20:15.639
as per the plan shown this evening to

03:20:15.719 --> 03:20:18.799
allow us to move move forward to obtain

03:20:18.879 --> 03:20:22.000
fully fully engineering plans if

03:20:22.079 --> 03:20:24.239
required Council undertake the review of

03:20:24.319 --> 03:20:26.280
environmental effects and Aboriginal

03:20:26.360 --> 03:20:28.440
Heritage slow down councelor please

03:20:28.520 --> 03:20:30.040
sorry

03:20:30.120 --> 03:20:31.959
sorry have you got you haven't got a

03:20:32.040 --> 03:20:35.520
copy have you no

03:20:35.600 --> 03:20:41.399
 y okay okay so undertake the RF and

03:20:41.479 --> 03:20:45.600
the ahip  and to amend the existing da

03:20:45.680 --> 03:20:48.600
to reflect the current plans rather than

03:20:48.680 --> 03:20:51.520
submitting whole new development

03:20:51.600 --> 03:20:55.120
application so  I'm happy to put them

03:20:55.200 --> 03:20:59.000
in if it's possible as a b c d and at

03:20:59.079 --> 03:21:01.840
the top of it that Council consider so

03:21:01.920 --> 03:21:04.520
as we move forward with this there's a

03:21:04.600 --> 03:21:06.440
meeting there was to be a meeting on

03:21:06.520 --> 03:21:08.959
Thursday of this week but it's been 

03:21:09.040 --> 03:21:11.959
changed till next Monday I think these

03:21:12.040 --> 03:21:15.239
four points really need to be talked

03:21:15.319 --> 03:21:19.239
about down at milk n dollar with  the

03:21:19.319 --> 03:21:22.079
club and about how we move forward with

03:21:22.159 --> 03:21:25.360
it all because I  have been involved

03:21:25.440 --> 03:21:27.840
in this project and actually had a

03:21:27.920 --> 03:21:30.520
meeting with Jane Lewis two years ago

03:21:30.600 --> 03:21:32.959
when can I just get you to stop really

03:21:33.040 --> 03:21:34.920
want to make it clear to everybody what

03:21:35.000 --> 03:21:37.440
they're voting on yep no problem  it's

03:21:37.520 --> 03:21:39.239
been a long night that people have had

03:21:39.319 --> 03:21:41.280
to keep track of everything so far so

03:21:41.360 --> 03:21:44.040
let's just work this through so what is

03:21:44.120 --> 03:21:47.079
remaining at this point  sorry

03:21:47.159 --> 03:21:50.399
Benjamin could you roll up to 0.1 for me

03:21:50.479 --> 03:21:52.799
so we're noting the that they've been

03:21:52.879 --> 03:21:54.559
successful in their funding y we're

03:21:54.639 --> 03:21:57.760
noting that and I want to want to hear a

03:21:57.840 --> 03:22:01.600
yep from you two Paul  note the

03:22:01.680 --> 03:22:03.360
Provide support to the proposed project

03:22:03.440 --> 03:22:06.479
as part of the application yep yep notes

03:22:06.559 --> 03:22:08.159
the delays to the project could result

03:22:08.239 --> 03:22:11.920
in  The Return of the funding yep

03:22:12.000 --> 03:22:14.280
notes the unacceptable condition of the

03:22:14.360 --> 03:22:18.520
amenities yep exempt the Milton allala

03:22:18.600 --> 03:22:20.399
Bulldogs rugby league club from the

03:22:20.479 --> 03:22:23.639
provisions of the council minute of

03:22:23.719 --> 03:22:27.440
23667 which is to do with the epmo is

03:22:27.520 --> 03:22:33.600
that correct M yep and minute 24.44%

03:22:46.559 --> 03:22:48.159
the

03:22:48.239 --> 03:22:52.360
CEO is already Happ to immediate I think

03:22:52.440 --> 03:22:53.600
we can take that out because we know

03:22:53.680 --> 03:22:55.120
that they we've already done that that's

03:22:55.200 --> 03:22:58.360
already done let's get rid of six

03:22:58.440 --> 03:23:00.760
y sorry let's not get rid of six alt

03:23:00.840 --> 03:23:02.440
together I just want

03:23:02.520 --> 03:23:05.799
to just keep the waiting there well

03:23:05.879 --> 03:23:08.360
let's tidy it up then

03:23:08.440 --> 03:23:10.600


03:23:10.680 --> 03:23:13.399
acknowledge the acknowledge the meeting

03:23:13.479 --> 03:23:15.120
to take

03:23:15.200 --> 03:23:21.000
place on on the Monday 19th y on the

03:23:21.079 --> 03:23:23.399
19th of

03:23:23.479 --> 03:23:27.440
August delete the rest with this with

03:23:27.520 --> 03:23:30.040
sorry with sorry I didn't didn't mean

03:23:30.120 --> 03:23:32.360
that with it was with the  Milt do

03:23:32.440 --> 03:23:35.040
Bulldog sorry

03:23:39.719 --> 03:23:41.600
Benjamin now this is where we start to

03:23:41.680 --> 03:23:44.280
get into some trouble answer laws the

03:23:44.360 --> 03:23:47.000
amendment yep so the next one

03:23:47.079 --> 03:23:48.879
so it so the whole heading of this you

03:23:48.959 --> 03:23:51.399
want it to be that Council consider yep

03:23:51.479 --> 03:23:54.000
so the points one to six and then a new

03:23:54.079 --> 03:23:57.280
part seven yep being that Council

03:23:57.360 --> 03:24:00.360
consider approve approving proceedings

03:24:00.440 --> 03:24:03.120
of stage one and two of the

03:24:03.200 --> 03:24:06.000
plan to

03:24:06.079 --> 03:24:09.760
allow the project to

03:24:14.120 --> 03:24:17.159
move proceeding this

03:24:17.239 --> 03:24:20.680
approving proceeding with stage one and

03:24:20.760 --> 03:24:22.799
two of the

03:24:22.879 --> 03:24:25.319
plan to allow the project to move

03:24:25.399 --> 03:24:28.719
forward to obtain engineering plans yep

03:24:28.799 --> 03:24:30.079
that's

03:24:30.159 --> 03:24:33.520
fine hang on let's just keep

03:24:33.600 --> 03:24:39.319
going undertake the RAF and the AIP

03:24:39.399 --> 03:24:42.600
y the council consider doing

03:24:42.680 --> 03:24:45.559
that and amend who's amending the

03:24:45.639 --> 03:24:48.200
existing d to reflect the current

03:24:48.280 --> 03:24:52.239
plans  so I think that  they will be

03:24:52.319 --> 03:24:55.360
amending the existing da plan so they

03:24:55.440 --> 03:24:59.040
need to Lodge a section 4 411 to council

03:24:59.120 --> 03:25:01.879
instead of a whole new DA right so

03:25:01.959 --> 03:25:05.440
should that not be that the club amend

03:25:05.520 --> 03:25:08.360
the existing da to reflect the current

03:25:08.440 --> 03:25:13.040
plan we the word from excuse me isn't

03:25:13.120 --> 03:25:17.280
the current plan being amended

03:25:17.840 --> 03:25:19.280
yes so the this is the problem

03:25:19.360 --> 03:25:20.799
counselors we're doing this stuff on the

03:25:20.879 --> 03:25:24.000
Run yep yeah I'm actually tempted in a

03:25:24.079 --> 03:25:26.040
way to  send you two off to the sin

03:25:26.120 --> 03:25:28.319
bin to work it out and come back and we

03:25:28.399 --> 03:25:30.760
can do some other work in the meantime

03:25:30.840 --> 03:25:33.840
 yeah the club ofand the existing da

03:25:33.920 --> 03:25:36.520
to reflect the current plans rather than

03:25:36.600 --> 03:25:38.479
submitting a whole new

03:25:38.559 --> 03:25:42.120
DA yeah is it to reflect the revised

03:25:42.200 --> 03:25:45.200
plans

03:25:46.840 --> 03:25:50.280
to reflect the revised

03:25:50.360 --> 03:25:53.680
plan playing with the current plans to

03:25:53.760 --> 03:25:56.719
oh who knows counselor who actually

03:25:56.799 --> 03:25:59.760
knows so and the words that Council

03:25:59.840 --> 03:26:02.440
consider goes to the very beginning of

03:26:02.520 --> 03:26:07.959
the whole motion yep yes no no that's F

03:26:08.040 --> 03:26:10.680
sorry just to get the amendment right M

03:26:10.760 --> 03:26:13.360
at that part c  that wording we had

03:26:13.440 --> 03:26:17.799
around that uh Council instruct the CEO

03:26:17.879 --> 03:26:20.239
to engage with the club around amending

03:26:20.319 --> 03:26:21.920
the existing da I think there is just a

03:26:22.000 --> 03:26:24.360
call for assistance from our development

03:26:24.440 --> 03:26:26.159
staff to work with the club around that

03:26:26.239 --> 03:26:27.680
I know it's our responsibility I'll the

03:26:27.760 --> 03:26:30.639
ones doing that  so Council TR C have

03:26:30.719 --> 03:26:32.520
engaged with the club to in order to

03:26:32.600 --> 03:26:34.000
amend the existing da help them along

03:26:34.079 --> 03:26:35.280
that pathway so that they're able to get

03:26:35.360 --> 03:26:37.200
it through and avoid  a new

03:26:37.280 --> 03:26:39.559
application of possible so here in lies

03:26:39.639 --> 03:26:41.319
part of the problem though councilor is

03:26:41.399 --> 03:26:44.040
that that's that impost is going back

03:26:44.120 --> 03:26:47.000
onto the staff who are already short

03:26:47.079 --> 03:26:48.840
staffed and can't meet their objectives

03:26:48.920 --> 03:26:53.600
to do their Das it's under considered

03:26:53.680 --> 03:26:59.040
y okay so at point8 sorry Benjamin 

03:26:59.120 --> 03:27:03.600
that sorry point seven just remove that

03:27:03.680 --> 03:27:05.799
and then at the at the lead of the

03:27:05.879 --> 03:27:10.520
motion just pop the word council

03:27:10.840 --> 03:27:13.159
consider and then we sorry if we roll

03:27:13.239 --> 03:27:14.840
back down to the bottom again be a

03:27:14.920 --> 03:27:16.600
decision we're deciding to exempt them

03:27:16.680 --> 03:27:17.920
from that resolution we can't consider

03:27:18.000 --> 03:27:19.479
doing that

03:27:19.559 --> 03:27:21.680
sorry well you keep saying the word

03:27:21.760 --> 03:27:23.600
consider so which where in the motion

03:27:23.680 --> 03:27:26.840
does the word consider go counselor

03:27:26.920 --> 03:27:28.440
you've got this part added by Council

03:27:28.520 --> 03:27:30.639
which I support that we consider

03:27:30.719 --> 03:27:32.159
approving proceeding of stage one and

03:27:32.239 --> 03:27:34.479
two under take the Raf in relation to

03:27:34.559 --> 03:27:37.559
the  assessment and then we add as

03:27:37.639 --> 03:27:40.799
part C that Council instruct the CEO or

03:27:40.879 --> 03:27:42.399
for the co to engage with the club

03:27:42.479 --> 03:27:44.799
that's all that goes under consider

03:27:44.879 --> 03:27:48.120
there right

03:27:54.159 --> 03:27:55.159
Council Wells did you have a

03:27:55.239 --> 03:27:56.559
contribution

03:27:56.639 --> 03:27:59.840
now no just roll on Monday it all become

03:27:59.920 --> 03:28:01.799
clear on Monday oh exactly I mean the

03:28:01.879 --> 03:28:03.239
whole thing should be deferred until

03:28:03.319 --> 03:28:05.000
Monday

03:28:05.079 --> 03:28:07.200


03:28:07.280 --> 03:28:11.120
yeah we don't time so you all happy with

03:28:11.200 --> 03:28:13.280
your amendments

03:28:13.360 --> 03:28:16.120
now yep work with it yep I think

03:28:16.200 --> 03:28:18.559
everybody understands the

03:28:18.639 --> 03:28:21.360
issue councilor white yeah so I'd just

03:28:21.440 --> 03:28:24.079
like to speak to it so  yeah

03:28:24.159 --> 03:28:26.079
approximately two years ago the club got

03:28:26.159 --> 03:28:28.520
support from Council to put in an

03:28:28.600 --> 03:28:31.239
application they put in that application

03:28:31.319 --> 03:28:33.159
 they were successful and I still

03:28:33.239 --> 03:28:34.680
remember going to a meeting with

03:28:34.760 --> 03:28:36.719
director Jane Lewis and telling her that

03:28:36.799 --> 03:28:38.959
they had received this money  and that

03:28:39.040 --> 03:28:40.760
we needed to watch this program a

03:28:40.840 --> 03:28:43.920
project as it went through because  I

03:28:44.000 --> 03:28:45.680
knew what the club was trying to do and

03:28:45.760 --> 03:28:48.159
whether they had  sufficient funds to

03:28:48.239 --> 03:28:52.040
do it  I'd like to thank Loa Butler 

03:28:52.120 --> 03:28:54.559
who has recently intervened in this

03:28:54.639 --> 03:28:57.760
matter with  the football club  and

03:28:57.840 --> 03:29:00.239
supported them on moving it all forward

03:29:00.319 --> 03:29:02.120
and supporting them on having meetings

03:29:02.200 --> 03:29:04.959
with Council  so we can actually get

03:29:05.040 --> 03:29:07.840
something happening for them  it's

03:29:07.920 --> 03:29:10.280
it's a project that needs to happen my

03:29:10.360 --> 03:29:12.399
kids played sport over there from 30

03:29:12.479 --> 03:29:15.559
years ago my kids were playing sport 

03:29:15.639 --> 03:29:17.680
at mly more coval and I can tell you the

03:29:17.760 --> 03:29:19.239
problems with the SE of them were the

03:29:19.319 --> 03:29:22.079
same problems that we've got now  and

03:29:22.159 --> 03:29:24.559
they weren't corrected I was quite

03:29:24.639 --> 03:29:26.920
Disturbed to understand that the the

03:29:27.000 --> 03:29:28.440
football club now have to have an

03:29:28.520 --> 03:29:31.719
on-site plber whenever they have a 

03:29:31.799 --> 03:29:34.360
match over there so when the drains do

03:29:34.440 --> 03:29:37.280
block up which I have witnessed myself

03:29:37.360 --> 03:29:38.840
that they have to get them cleared

03:29:38.920 --> 03:29:41.639
straight away they are frightened and

03:29:41.719 --> 03:29:43.520
let me tell you very frightened that

03:29:43.600 --> 03:29:45.600
they're going to say they can't use the

03:29:45.680 --> 03:29:47.920
 over anymore because of the current

03:29:48.000 --> 03:29:50.399
situations that are happening over there

03:29:50.479 --> 03:29:53.000
they were public toilets over there for

03:29:53.079 --> 03:29:54.680
as long as I can remember they were the

03:29:54.760 --> 03:29:56.440
public toilets that if I was at

03:29:56.520 --> 03:29:58.079
mollymook and I need to go to the toilet

03:29:58.159 --> 03:30:00.040
at the shops I'd go up to mollymook oval

03:30:00.120 --> 03:30:02.000
and go down to the toilets and use them

03:30:02.079 --> 03:30:03.959
they're no longer public toilets they've

03:30:04.040 --> 03:30:07.360
been closed off you get 2 3,000 people

03:30:07.440 --> 03:30:09.760
to their games and they got two toilets

03:30:09.840 --> 03:30:12.600
to use it is unacceptable and when I was

03:30:12.680 --> 03:30:14.760
there only that they got the last game

03:30:14.840 --> 03:30:16.840
 this Sunday when I was over there I

03:30:16.920 --> 03:30:18.239
was going to suggest that they may need

03:30:18.319 --> 03:30:20.239
to get some portable toilets put in over

03:30:20.319 --> 03:30:23.319
there because  of the use of it I've

03:30:23.399 --> 03:30:26.920
witnessed over there where young girls

03:30:27.000 --> 03:30:29.159
have had to change in the middle of the

03:30:29.239 --> 03:30:31.200
back of the car park because there's

03:30:31.280 --> 03:30:33.680
nowhere for them to change this day and

03:30:33.760 --> 03:30:37.559
age it is really unacceptable and they

03:30:37.639 --> 03:30:39.799
went out the rugby league club went out

03:30:39.879 --> 03:30:42.120
with the support of this Council to get

03:30:42.200 --> 03:30:44.399
a grant so they could build facilities

03:30:44.479 --> 03:30:47.280
for girls on they wanted to do an

03:30:47.360 --> 03:30:49.719
existing thing to the existing change

03:30:49.799 --> 03:30:51.879
room  that is down there in the

03:30:51.959 --> 03:30:54.520
canteen in the toilets R told end of

03:30:54.600 --> 03:30:56.200
life and I can understand that because

03:30:56.280 --> 03:30:57.719
the building I think I worked at is

03:30:57.799 --> 03:31:00.760
actually 74 years old well nearly 704

03:31:00.840 --> 03:31:01.520
years

03:31:01.600 --> 03:31:05.840
old so I just can we not have a really

03:31:05.920 --> 03:31:07.719
long and protracted discussion about the

03:31:07.799 --> 03:31:11.000
toilet it's 9:13 and we need to ask for

03:31:11.079 --> 03:31:13.600
an extension for this meeting already so

03:31:13.680 --> 03:31:15.360
we're all very familiar with what the

03:31:15.440 --> 03:31:17.319
issues are can we cut to the chase on

03:31:17.399 --> 03:31:20.079
what needs to be done here yep well the

03:31:20.159 --> 03:31:21.680
what needs to be done is to have the

03:31:21.760 --> 03:31:23.479
meeting with the club and to sort out

03:31:23.559 --> 03:31:25.799
the issues which is already booked which

03:31:25.879 --> 03:31:27.959
is yes it's already booked and I thank

03:31:28.040 --> 03:31:31.120
the CEO for booking that meeting in 

03:31:31.200 --> 03:31:34.079
with the football club and counselors

03:31:34.159 --> 03:31:37.200
and Eliza Butler so we can move it all

03:31:37.280 --> 03:31:39.559
forward but I think the general public

03:31:39.639 --> 03:31:42.200
needs to know what is actually happening

03:31:42.280 --> 03:31:43.799
over there and for how many years it's

03:31:43.879 --> 03:31:46.120
actually been happening for so I hope

03:31:46.200 --> 03:31:48.680
you can support the notice of motion

03:31:48.760 --> 03:31:52.280
where's the motion to put uh councelor

03:31:52.360 --> 03:31:55.040
Wells I haven't  had speakers against

03:31:55.120 --> 03:31:57.200
the motion and I've got three lights in

03:31:57.280 --> 03:32:00.639
front of me  so serious oh that's

03:32:00.719 --> 03:32:02.280
correct

03:32:02.360 --> 03:32:05.719
correct oh know  so I've had actually

03:32:05.799 --> 03:32:08.719
two speakers

03:32:08.799 --> 03:32:11.879
for do I have any speakers against I can

03:32:11.959 --> 03:32:16.120
be thank you 

03:32:16.200 --> 03:32:19.000
just get just keep it moving look 

03:32:19.079 --> 03:32:21.120
everything we've heard uh councilor

03:32:21.200 --> 03:32:23.760
white say I just like to say that same

03:32:23.840 --> 03:32:28.239
applies for Lio Park same vintage same

03:32:28.319 --> 03:32:32.399
thing here uh near my home at husky same

03:32:32.479 --> 03:32:34.879
problems women don't have changing rooms

03:32:34.959 --> 03:32:37.559
sharing facilities absolutely terrible

03:32:37.639 --> 03:32:40.319
and this is a result

03:32:40.399 --> 03:32:44.200
of the management of this Council for so

03:32:44.280 --> 03:32:46.440
long that these facilities have been

03:32:46.520 --> 03:32:50.559
allowed to get so old and so

03:32:50.639 --> 03:32:52.799
dilapidated

03:32:52.879 --> 03:32:55.399
 my question is what are the financial

03:32:55.479 --> 03:32:59.239
implications to Council of this is is is

03:32:59.319 --> 03:33:02.440
is there what is the financial comp you

03:33:02.520 --> 03:33:05.079
know and is their budget to do it I mean

03:33:05.159 --> 03:33:07.319
I'd love to do it but we need to know

03:33:07.399 --> 03:33:09.799
yeah I think it's a very very real risk

03:33:09.879 --> 03:33:12.319
and I'll go to the

03:33:12.399 --> 03:33:16.040
CEO thank you counselor  it it's

03:33:16.120 --> 03:33:17.680
pretty hard to quantify what the

03:33:17.760 --> 03:33:19.520
financial implications are because we

03:33:19.600 --> 03:33:22.680
don't have all the detail required 

03:33:22.760 --> 03:33:25.239
the advice that I have well we're

03:33:25.319 --> 03:33:28.159
working toward to the budget that is

03:33:28.239 --> 03:33:32.319
there  and I'm not sure acting

03:33:32.399 --> 03:33:34.280
director Norwood whether you wanted to

03:33:34.360 --> 03:33:37.280
add any comment in relation to the scale

03:33:37.360 --> 03:33:40.079
of the budget and suitability there

03:33:40.159 --> 03:33:40.799
thank

03:33:40.879 --> 03:33:44.440
you to you Madame mayor I can say if we

03:33:44.520 --> 03:33:46.319
look at the price that recent Bob

03:33:46.399 --> 03:33:48.200
proword Pavilion we'd be looking at in

03:33:48.280 --> 03:33:50.079
excess of $3 million for something like

03:33:50.159 --> 03:33:53.680
this without seeing properly Qs plans we

03:33:53.760 --> 03:33:56.159
can't give an accurate cost but I would

03:33:56.239 --> 03:33:58.920
suggest it would be in that

03:33:59.000 --> 03:34:01.159
vicinity so just just an additional

03:34:01.239 --> 03:34:03.120
question then so

03:34:03.200 --> 03:34:07.879
  so the would what's proposed here

03:34:07.959 --> 03:34:11.360
is can take us forward and the council

03:34:11.440 --> 03:34:14.319
can manage that within the existing

03:34:14.399 --> 03:34:16.840
funding or is there is there like

03:34:16.920 --> 03:34:20.319
immediate costs that are unbudgeted in

03:34:20.399 --> 03:34:22.680
2425 or does this all need to be moved

03:34:22.760 --> 03:34:25.559
to 25 26 with the assistance of Liza

03:34:25.639 --> 03:34:27.159
Butler and and the

03:34:27.239 --> 03:34:29.799
state I mean we we can't fund something

03:34:29.879 --> 03:34:31.399
that's not budgeted yeah through you

03:34:31.479 --> 03:34:33.200
again Madame mayor we have zero funding

03:34:33.280 --> 03:34:34.079
for this

03:34:34.159 --> 03:34:37.120
project and what what's what funds are

03:34:37.200 --> 03:34:40.280
needed well to look at the resolution or

03:34:40.360 --> 03:34:41.760
potential what we're looking at up here

03:34:41.840 --> 03:34:43.440
we don't have money for an RAF and we

03:34:43.520 --> 03:34:44.959
need to see cared there was money for an

03:34:45.040 --> 03:34:47.719
RAF or was involved in that so the best

03:34:47.799 --> 03:34:49.159
thing for us to do would be meet on

03:34:49.239 --> 03:34:51.280
Monday see clarification and bring a

03:34:51.360 --> 03:34:53.440
report back

03:34:53.520 --> 03:34:55.399
potentially so we better off being

03:34:55.479 --> 03:34:57.879
deferred defer the motion come back and

03:34:57.959 --> 03:35:01.920
have it sorted out after the meeting y

03:35:02.000 --> 03:35:04.559
i' like to force Shadow motion to defer

03:35:04.639 --> 03:35:07.000
so the meeting can be held yeah and and

03:35:07.079 --> 03:35:09.959
get greater Clarity with with  Liza

03:35:10.040 --> 03:35:12.319
Butler and so on about the funding and

03:35:12.399 --> 03:35:14.959
then you know informed decision made

03:35:15.040 --> 03:35:16.399
thank you

03:35:16.479 --> 03:35:18.559
all right so we got a foreshadowed for

03:35:18.639 --> 03:35:20.959
deferment thank you hang on I've got

03:35:21.040 --> 03:35:23.600
councelor Norris

03:35:23.680 --> 03:35:25.719
next yeah before that happened I was

03:35:25.799 --> 03:35:26.799
just going to say let's get on and help

03:35:26.879 --> 03:35:28.280
the Milt all other Bulldogs in anywhere

03:35:28.360 --> 03:35:29.680
we can so I was going to ask the motion

03:35:29.760 --> 03:35:32.840
be put but now that's going to happen so

03:35:32.920 --> 03:35:35.360
right councilor

03:35:35.440 --> 03:35:37.840
gray all I was going to say was I will

03:35:37.920 --> 03:35:39.520
second the for

03:35:39.600 --> 03:35:43.040
shadow okay so council is before us we

03:35:43.120 --> 03:35:46.680
have the motion that is on the

03:35:46.760 --> 03:35:49.159
paper and we have a foreshadowed that

03:35:49.239 --> 03:35:51.319
the motion be deferred hang on a sec

03:35:51.399 --> 03:35:53.159
that the motion be deferred pending the

03:35:53.239 --> 03:35:55.200
meeting councelor

03:35:55.280 --> 03:35:59.479
Watson you got an advance on

03:35:59.559 --> 03:36:02.680
that Madam mayor I think I've picked up

03:36:02.760 --> 03:36:05.079
on the gra B that the club does have

03:36:05.159 --> 03:36:05.840
some

03:36:05.920 --> 03:36:08.360
funds I don't think you should be

03:36:08.440 --> 03:36:11.079
deferring this motion I think you should

03:36:11.159 --> 03:36:13.680
proceed with it because it'll probably

03:36:13.760 --> 03:36:15.680
be December or January or February

03:36:15.760 --> 03:36:18.040
before you you get back to be able to

03:36:18.120 --> 03:36:21.079
consider it again in the new Council so

03:36:21.159 --> 03:36:23.799
I I just say stay with it if the CEO

03:36:23.879 --> 03:36:26.200
can't see any way afford to fund it uh

03:36:26.280 --> 03:36:28.920
report will have to come back to the

03:36:29.000 --> 03:36:32.879
council so C so Council Watson 

03:36:32.959 --> 03:36:34.680
understand that

03:36:34.760 --> 03:36:38.200
where the motion does not move the da

03:36:38.280 --> 03:36:42.319
issues forward at all  and I'm very

03:36:42.399 --> 03:36:44.719
very concerned that this is kind of like

03:36:44.799 --> 03:36:47.959
virtue signal to the the group by saying

03:36:48.040 --> 03:36:50.120
we're going to look after you when there

03:36:50.200 --> 03:36:53.079
is no money in the budget  I get it

03:36:53.159 --> 03:36:54.840
that there's you know pledges and

03:36:54.920 --> 03:36:57.520
whatever else but until that meeting is

03:36:57.600 --> 03:36:59.360
had on Monday and there's Clarity around

03:36:59.440 --> 03:37:01.760
what's going on with the club  I think

03:37:01.840 --> 03:37:05.040
that you're really setting the club up

03:37:05.120 --> 03:37:07.479
for an expectation that you cannot

03:37:07.559 --> 03:37:09.040
succeed

03:37:09.120 --> 03:37:13.719
with any further discussions councilor

03:37:14.000 --> 03:37:16.120
Wells yes I think one of the things that

03:37:16.200 --> 03:37:18.120
needs to be stated on Monday is that you

03:37:18.200 --> 03:37:20.879
want the development application

03:37:20.959 --> 03:37:24.280
modification process to  proceed

03:37:24.360 --> 03:37:29.319
including the RF the club or the U NRL

03:37:29.399 --> 03:37:31.600
are going to have to fund

03:37:31.680 --> 03:37:35.319
it yeah y

03:37:35.399 --> 03:37:38.479
agreed okay so we have a motion before

03:37:38.559 --> 03:37:40.799
us and we have a motion to defer as a

03:37:40.879 --> 03:37:42.879
foreshadowed uh Council white do you

03:37:42.959 --> 03:37:45.440
wish to have a right of reply sorry

03:37:45.520 --> 03:37:48.600
councilor L and Madam mayor I will try

03:37:48.680 --> 03:37:51.479
to keep this brief but  we need to

03:37:51.559 --> 03:37:54.120
understand uh where we've landed tonight

03:37:54.200 --> 03:37:55.879
 and the situation that this project

03:37:55.959 --> 03:37:58.479
faces that the club is in at the moment

03:37:58.559 --> 03:38:00.639
is based on advice given to them by this

03:38:00.719 --> 03:38:02.399
organization that this project could not

03:38:02.479 --> 03:38:04.360
proceed due to previous resolutions

03:38:04.440 --> 03:38:06.280
carried by this Council Which flies in

03:38:06.360 --> 03:38:07.840
the face of the fact this club has got a

03:38:07.920 --> 03:38:10.239
grant flies in the face of the fact that

03:38:10.319 --> 03:38:12.280
this club is confident that they can

03:38:12.360 --> 03:38:13.840
construct this new man of this block

03:38:13.920 --> 03:38:15.079
within the envelope of that Grant and

03:38:15.159 --> 03:38:17.399
other funding would have available the

03:38:17.479 --> 03:38:18.760
only way you can move this forward

03:38:18.840 --> 03:38:21.120
council is by voting for this motion 

03:38:21.200 --> 03:38:22.239
yes there's been a meeting which has

03:38:22.319 --> 03:38:23.479
been set but there's not another meeting

03:38:23.559 --> 03:38:26.200
of this Council after the election uh so

03:38:26.280 --> 03:38:28.319
we as the elected body need to take the

03:38:28.399 --> 03:38:29.639
opportunity to say that we want to

03:38:29.719 --> 03:38:31.680
continue to progress this project I

03:38:31.760 --> 03:38:32.760
don't think there's anything in that

03:38:32.840 --> 03:38:35.920
motion which immediately uh calls for uh

03:38:36.000 --> 03:38:37.799
an expenditure of funds it is simply

03:38:37.879 --> 03:38:40.280
saying that we are not going to rule out

03:38:40.360 --> 03:38:41.920
this project which is what has happened

03:38:42.000 --> 03:38:43.799
already they've already been told that

03:38:43.879 --> 03:38:45.920
 this will will not be be to proceed

03:38:46.000 --> 03:38:47.040
under the provisions of those

03:38:47.120 --> 03:38:48.959
resolutions simply saying that that

03:38:49.040 --> 03:38:51.159
project can stay alive there is a part

03:38:51.239 --> 03:38:53.319
there about consideration consideration

03:38:53.399 --> 03:38:54.799
being given to these matters it's not

03:38:54.879 --> 03:38:56.200
binding Council to a decision

03:38:56.280 --> 03:38:57.879
necessarily on those points it's

03:38:57.959 --> 03:38:59.559
acknowledging that there is a meeting

03:38:59.639 --> 03:39:02.120
taking place uh on the 19th which from

03:39:02.200 --> 03:39:03.159
from which there may be further

03:39:03.239 --> 03:39:05.520
resolutions that follow so councilors

03:39:05.600 --> 03:39:07.639
this is a very clear choice if you

03:39:07.719 --> 03:39:09.399
support the Milton all Dolla Bulldogs if

03:39:09.479 --> 03:39:11.200
you want to make sure this project can

03:39:11.280 --> 03:39:12.639
continue and you want to make a decision

03:39:12.719 --> 03:39:14.479
while you have the opportunity to before

03:39:14.559 --> 03:39:16.799
the election instead of kicking this off

03:39:16.879 --> 03:39:18.479
down the road for a meeting on the 19th

03:39:18.559 --> 03:39:19.920
and then maybe getting a report back at

03:39:20.000 --> 03:39:21.399
some point in the future and I'll take

03:39:21.479 --> 03:39:22.879
Council Gray's comments in an earlier

03:39:22.959 --> 03:39:24.680
motion about when will that happen how

03:39:24.760 --> 03:39:26.559
long is the piece of string let's make a

03:39:26.639 --> 03:39:28.239
decision tonight at the moment this club

03:39:28.319 --> 03:39:30.079
has been told you don't have a way

03:39:30.159 --> 03:39:31.840
forward under the provisions of this

03:39:31.920 --> 03:39:33.799
resolution this project cannot be

03:39:33.879 --> 03:39:35.799
supported and cannot proceed they've got

03:39:35.879 --> 03:39:37.559
a deadline on a grant as well if we

03:39:37.639 --> 03:39:39.559
continue to diver as a council and if we

03:39:39.639 --> 03:39:41.440
do not carry a resolution tonight to say

03:39:41.520 --> 03:39:42.840
that this is going to continue into the

03:39:42.920 --> 03:39:45.040
future that Grant may be lost in which

03:39:45.120 --> 03:39:46.680
case this whole discussion may be

03:39:46.760 --> 03:39:48.559
academic which would be an incredibly

03:39:48.639 --> 03:39:50.200
disappointing outcome for the club and

03:39:50.280 --> 03:39:51.799
all those who support them so counselors

03:39:51.879 --> 03:39:54.440
I implore you do not support a deferral

03:39:54.520 --> 03:39:56.040
you do not get another opportunity until

03:39:56.120 --> 03:39:57.680
after the election who knows when the

03:39:57.760 --> 03:39:59.239
next meeting will be after this meeting

03:39:59.319 --> 03:40:00.479
tonight when there'll be an opportunity

03:40:00.559 --> 03:40:02.879
to carry a resolution like this and we

03:40:02.959 --> 03:40:03.799
don't know what will happen with the

03:40:03.879 --> 03:40:05.959
Grant in the meantime so please do not

03:40:06.040 --> 03:40:07.079
uh take that course of action and

03:40:07.159 --> 03:40:09.520
support the motion before you

03:40:09.600 --> 03:40:11.719
tonight okay councilors that's the end

03:40:11.799 --> 03:40:14.200
of the debate on that so we just need to

03:40:14.280 --> 03:40:17.559
now just go for a vote thank

03:40:17.639 --> 03:40:20.559
you the amended motion that was amended

03:40:20.639 --> 03:40:23.959
by yeah

03:40:35.760 --> 03:40:39.760
no councelor Wells which way do you

03:40:39.840 --> 03:40:41.840
vote can't hear you

03:40:41.920 --> 03:40:45.920
sorry just press your space bar I'm I'm

03:40:46.000 --> 03:40:48.159
thank

03:40:52.719 --> 03:40:55.559
you oh

03:40:55.639 --> 03:40:58.159
dear is it done right that's it I'm

03:40:58.239 --> 03:41:02.200
calling it thank you the motion is

03:41:05.360 --> 03:41:08.760
passed okay councilors I need a motion

03:41:08.840 --> 03:41:10.639
now to extend the meeting thank you

03:41:10.719 --> 03:41:13.040
councelor Norris seconded by councelor

03:41:13.120 --> 03:41:16.639
kotash 

03:41:16.719 --> 03:41:20.239
no that's not realistic  and the

03:41:20.319 --> 03:41:22.440
extension I prefer that we didn't go

03:41:22.520 --> 03:41:24.920
beyond 10 because there's many of us

03:41:25.000 --> 03:41:27.319
that need an hour to drive and that's

03:41:27.399 --> 03:41:32.079
just unsafe  practice for our staff as

03:41:32.159 --> 03:41:36.040
well so let's bat on and see what work

03:41:36.120 --> 03:41:39.600
we can get done thank you very

03:41:41.239 --> 03:41:45.319
much the next one on the list is  the

03:41:45.399 --> 03:41:46.639
gate

03:41:46.719 --> 03:41:50.120
overal speak now so page

03:41:50.200 --> 03:41:52.360
102 thank you Madame mayor thanks

03:41:52.440 --> 03:41:53.360
Council

03:41:53.440 --> 03:41:56.680
Copley so I'm very excited to bring this

03:41:56.760 --> 03:41:58.639
forward tonight because as we've heard

03:41:58.719 --> 03:42:00.200
earlier this evening from the

03:42:00.280 --> 03:42:02.719
impassioned deputation from Suzanne

03:42:02.799 --> 03:42:04.639
Hammond war that the wonderful

03:42:04.719 --> 03:42:07.239
volunteers of the Bomer night now

03:42:07.319 --> 03:42:09.239
Alliance have been searching for over 8

03:42:09.319 --> 03:42:12.719
years to find a location to park their

03:42:12.799 --> 03:42:14.559
Caravan and store their fundraising

03:42:14.639 --> 03:42:17.440
equipment indeed I presented a p

03:42:17.520 --> 03:42:20.600
petition tonight of 571 Community

03:42:20.680 --> 03:42:23.120
signatures who also agree that it is

03:42:23.200 --> 03:42:25.200
important for this wonderful Club to

03:42:25.280 --> 03:42:27.760
have the opportunity to apply for this

03:42:27.840 --> 03:42:29.159
expression of

03:42:29.239 --> 03:42:31.200
Interest currently the equipment that

03:42:31.280 --> 03:42:33.000
they use to raise funds for Community

03:42:33.079 --> 03:42:35.360
projects which help all of us are

03:42:35.440 --> 03:42:37.600
scattered across the city at members

03:42:37.680 --> 03:42:39.680
homes and this proves an additional

03:42:39.760 --> 03:42:41.559
complication to collect their equipment

03:42:41.639 --> 03:42:43.159
and to gather them up when planning a

03:42:43.239 --> 03:42:46.040
fundraising activity

03:42:46.120 --> 03:42:48.440
uh the building in question at thir gate

03:42:48.520 --> 03:42:50.719
oval is currently unoccupied and has

03:42:50.799 --> 03:42:53.440
been unused for quite some time and as

03:42:53.520 --> 03:42:55.399
far as I'm concerned this city does not

03:42:55.479 --> 03:42:59.159
have the luxury of having unutilized

03:42:59.239 --> 03:43:02.840
assets so lions are very willing to fund

03:43:02.920 --> 03:43:04.840
raise or seek grants once they have this

03:43:04.920 --> 03:43:07.239
expression of Interest available to them

03:43:07.319 --> 03:43:09.239
for the renovations that potentially may

03:43:09.319 --> 03:43:11.600
be needed to upgrade this building to

03:43:11.680 --> 03:43:14.479
suit their needs they're not planning to

03:43:14.559 --> 03:43:16.479
be their constantly they are planning

03:43:16.559 --> 03:43:18.600
just to come and go occasionally when

03:43:18.680 --> 03:43:22.159
they are planning for a  an activity

03:43:22.239 --> 03:43:23.879
you know a sausage Sizzle or something

03:43:23.959 --> 03:43:25.479
of that nature when they just want to

03:43:25.559 --> 03:43:27.680
come in collect their gear and head off

03:43:27.760 --> 03:43:29.479
to raise money for the

03:43:29.559 --> 03:43:32.000
community so Lions will invest in the

03:43:32.079 --> 03:43:33.479
maintenance of this building which will

03:43:33.559 --> 03:43:35.559
be an asset to the the city having

03:43:35.639 --> 03:43:37.520
somebody there looking after this

03:43:37.600 --> 03:43:40.520
building for us and that will be in and

03:43:40.600 --> 03:43:44.479
of a benefit to council itself so I

03:43:44.559 --> 03:43:46.159
can't hear I didn't hear anything

03:43:46.239 --> 03:43:48.680
tonight that precluded this motion being

03:43:48.760 --> 03:43:51.799
passed and I really  beseech you all

03:43:51.879 --> 03:43:55.079
to help this wonderful Club find a home

03:43:55.159 --> 03:43:56.920
 and allow them to apply for this

03:43:57.000 --> 03:43:59.079
expression of interest and end this

03:43:59.159 --> 03:44:02.159
long-suffering 8-year search for a home

03:44:02.239 --> 03:44:04.280
to park their Caravan in and their

03:44:04.360 --> 03:44:06.239
barbecue equipment and fridges just so

03:44:06.319 --> 03:44:07.639
that they can carry on with the good

03:44:07.719 --> 03:44:10.079
work that they continue to be doing in

03:44:10.159 --> 03:44:11.959
order to raise much needed funds for so

03:44:12.040 --> 03:44:13.719
many different projects for all of us in

03:44:13.799 --> 03:44:16.200
our community I'm this motion and I hope

03:44:16.280 --> 03:44:17.639
the rest of my colleagues will see the

03:44:17.719 --> 03:44:19.639
benefit of this motion thank

03:44:19.719 --> 03:44:22.079
you we have councelor L listed as a

03:44:22.159 --> 03:44:23.399
second and councilors is there any

03:44:23.479 --> 03:44:25.840
dissenting voices that need to be do you

03:44:25.920 --> 03:44:27.680
need to talk just want to make a very

03:44:27.760 --> 03:44:29.479
quick comment  and I hope that we'll

03:44:29.559 --> 03:44:30.600
be supported by Council I want to

03:44:30.680 --> 03:44:31.879
commend counc copy for bringing this

03:44:31.959 --> 03:44:33.879
forward  I think just be clear we've

03:44:33.959 --> 03:44:36.319
got an eii process which will be open to

03:44:36.399 --> 03:44:39.680
everybody  and I do want to thank  K

03:44:39.760 --> 03:44:41.760
as well for her deputation  and the

03:44:41.840 --> 03:44:43.280
work she does down of Fate over all the

03:44:43.360 --> 03:44:45.760
Dog bow  and you know obviously part

03:44:45.840 --> 03:44:47.360
of that process all these considerations

03:44:47.440 --> 03:44:49.200
be taken into account and the decision

03:44:49.280 --> 03:44:51.079
will come back to this council at the at

03:44:51.159 --> 03:44:53.079
the end of the day to make the decision

03:44:53.159 --> 03:44:55.200
okay going to try and limit speaking

03:44:55.280 --> 03:44:57.680
times now councilors councelor

03:44:57.760 --> 03:45:00.520
gray you were really really quickly just

03:45:00.600 --> 03:45:03.120
a question to councelor Copley was that

03:45:03.200 --> 03:45:05.399
an online petition or was it actually

03:45:05.479 --> 03:45:07.600
from the dog park users and neighbors

03:45:07.680 --> 03:45:10.040
close

03:45:10.440 --> 03:45:13.200
by my understanding was that uh the

03:45:13.280 --> 03:45:15.440
Lions Club went far and wide it was a

03:45:15.520 --> 03:45:17.559
paper petition it was distributed to as

03:45:17.639 --> 03:45:19.760
many people as possible out to all of

03:45:19.840 --> 03:45:21.920
their community events there was ample

03:45:22.000 --> 03:45:24.200
opportunity for the Comm Community to

03:45:24.280 --> 03:45:28.079
sign that and indeed as I reiterate 571

03:45:28.159 --> 03:45:30.280
good citizens of the shell Haven agree

03:45:30.360 --> 03:45:32.399
with us agree with me that we need to do

03:45:32.479 --> 03:45:35.840
this for Lions it's time they got a

03:45:35.920 --> 03:45:37.479
home

03:45:37.559 --> 03:45:39.920
thank so councilor the next question

03:45:40.000 --> 03:45:41.879
that you ask  I'm not going to let

03:45:41.959 --> 03:45:43.719
councelor Copley answer it because they

03:45:43.799 --> 03:45:45.440
can all wait to the right of

03:45:45.520 --> 03:45:46.639
councilor

03:45:46.719 --> 03:45:49.680
Wales very briefly Madame mayor I see

03:45:49.760 --> 03:45:52.559
absolutely no conflict whatsoever and

03:45:52.639 --> 03:45:54.479
contining use of the building by users

03:45:54.559 --> 03:45:56.319
of the dog park and allowing the Lions

03:45:56.399 --> 03:45:58.040
Club to do their extension to store

03:45:58.120 --> 03:46:00.200
their equipment I think it's a bit of a

03:46:00.280 --> 03:46:01.319
stor a

03:46:01.399 --> 03:46:04.680
te okay so

03:46:04.760 --> 03:46:08.719
councilor H do you need a write a

03:46:08.799 --> 03:46:11.159
reply I don't believe so Madame mayor

03:46:11.239 --> 03:46:12.719
I'd just like it to go to the vote so

03:46:12.799 --> 03:46:14.559
these lovely people can go home happy

03:46:14.639 --> 03:46:15.639
thank you than you is there any

03:46:15.719 --> 03:46:17.680
dissenting

03:46:17.760 --> 03:46:20.440
voices there's no descending voices the

03:46:20.520 --> 03:46:22.719
motion is carried thank

03:46:22.799 --> 03:46:25.799
you

03:46:26.360 --> 03:46:30.319
okay next one is Nara

03:46:30.399 --> 03:46:32.360
cro may I hope we're on a roll with

03:46:32.440 --> 03:46:34.799
these unanimous motions tonight  and

03:46:34.879 --> 03:46:36.319
look councilors I hope that yeah this

03:46:36.399 --> 03:46:38.079
can be just adopted tonight it's simply

03:46:38.159 --> 03:46:40.639
asking to a report back  the

03:46:40.719 --> 03:46:42.280
submission from the club uh makes a

03:46:42.360 --> 03:46:43.840
number of points about the concerns they

03:46:43.920 --> 03:46:45.920
have I know Council will raised  a

03:46:46.000 --> 03:46:47.719
matter about the status of the lease I

03:46:47.799 --> 03:46:49.120
don't think that has actually been

03:46:49.200 --> 03:46:50.360
concluded I don't know if the club has

03:46:50.440 --> 03:46:52.040
got a advice to that extent but all that

03:46:52.120 --> 03:46:53.680
can be wrapped up in the report back to

03:46:53.760 --> 03:46:56.040
us  I just think it's a crying shame

03:46:56.120 --> 03:46:57.479
that we have brand new facilities

03:46:57.559 --> 03:46:59.479
sitting there not being utilized at the

03:46:59.559 --> 03:47:01.159
moment we've got a tournament coming

03:47:01.239 --> 03:47:03.399
down with 32  participant clubs

03:47:03.479 --> 03:47:04.840
visiting the shell Haven but they can't

03:47:04.920 --> 03:47:07.079
showcase this great facility which this

03:47:07.159 --> 03:47:09.479
city invested great money into U and

03:47:09.559 --> 03:47:10.760
with support from the uh state

03:47:10.840 --> 03:47:12.920
government as well so look this is just

03:47:13.000 --> 03:47:14.440
getting report back trying to reach

03:47:14.520 --> 03:47:16.000
resolution is something which has been

03:47:16.079 --> 03:47:18.079
long back and forth with the staff and

03:47:18.159 --> 03:47:20.000
the club  hope we can get this

03:47:20.079 --> 03:47:21.959
triggered as a report and make a

03:47:22.040 --> 03:47:23.520
decision when that comes back to us

03:47:23.600 --> 03:47:26.600
thank you Council Nores thanks to acting

03:47:26.680 --> 03:47:28.840
director Norwood uh would Council be

03:47:28.920 --> 03:47:31.200
best sered not preparing this room

03:47:31.280 --> 03:47:33.120
report and just continuing on with the

03:47:33.200 --> 03:47:35.159
process as it's been happening or would

03:47:35.239 --> 03:47:37.239
Council be best served with the report

03:47:37.319 --> 03:47:39.799
thank you uh you through you madam mayor

03:47:39.879 --> 03:47:41.520
what I could answer it this way is I am

03:47:41.600 --> 03:47:43.559
aware that a report is pending for the

03:47:43.639 --> 03:47:45.600
new Council on the L sorry the lease

03:47:45.680 --> 03:47:48.399
agreement so it's it's coming anyway

03:47:48.479 --> 03:47:50.200
that's actually in director McIntyre's

03:47:50.280 --> 03:47:53.040
area which they have in hand thank you

03:47:53.120 --> 03:47:54.159
councilor

03:47:54.239 --> 03:47:58.079
Wells yes Mr Norwood I understand you're

03:47:58.159 --> 03:48:00.440
familiar with the content of the

03:48:00.520 --> 03:48:02.680
proposed lease agreement and the

03:48:02.760 --> 03:48:07.159
proposed fee to the cro Club is that fee

03:48:07.239 --> 03:48:10.440
in the order of their recommended number

03:48:10.520 --> 03:48:13.719
of 10 to 11,000 by the club's financial

03:48:13.799 --> 03:48:16.680
advisors uh through you again Madam

03:48:16.760 --> 03:48:18.399
mayor yes that is correct but there also

03:48:18.479 --> 03:48:21.760
is a component on that for restricted

03:48:21.840 --> 03:48:26.559
asset okay so the the propos is 10

03:48:26.639 --> 03:48:30.120
11,000 plus a restricted assets charge

03:48:30.200 --> 03:48:33.920
correct so in your opinion  how would

03:48:34.000 --> 03:48:38.440
this club facility rate Nationwide as a

03:48:38.520 --> 03:48:41.879
fort you facility I think we're talking

03:48:41.959 --> 03:48:43.760
about one of the best clubs in Australia

03:48:43.840 --> 03:48:46.040
Council was

03:48:46.120 --> 03:48:47.600
okay well it seems to me that they're

03:48:47.680 --> 03:48:49.920
getting a pretty good deal thank

03:48:50.000 --> 03:48:54.399
you great okay  there's no dissenting

03:48:54.479 --> 03:48:57.280
voices just question thank you Council

03:48:57.360 --> 03:49:00.159
CH just  because you know tournament's

03:49:00.239 --> 03:49:02.280
coming up and so on is it actually is

03:49:02.360 --> 03:49:04.000
this actually going to delay the process

03:49:04.079 --> 03:49:05.520
because this has to come back to a

03:49:05.600 --> 03:49:07.280
report for the new

03:49:07.360 --> 03:49:08.920
counciling

03:49:09.000 --> 03:49:12.000
report

03:49:13.399 --> 03:49:15.600
 this this would mean the report has

03:49:15.680 --> 03:49:17.200
to come back to the new Council which is

03:49:17.280 --> 03:49:18.680
going to be some time

03:49:18.760 --> 03:49:21.520
away could it not be that the lease

03:49:21.600 --> 03:49:24.840
agreement could be resolved within that

03:49:24.920 --> 03:49:27.479
time it's very possible and therefore

03:49:27.559 --> 03:49:30.040
and then then put this you know if it

03:49:30.120 --> 03:49:31.799
hasn't been resolved within that time

03:49:31.879 --> 03:49:33.479
then the new council could put this same

03:49:33.559 --> 03:49:35.879
motion up but it allows staff to resolve

03:49:35.959 --> 03:49:38.200
it within this time if possible so in a

03:49:38.280 --> 03:49:41.280
sense it might be better not to go ahead

03:49:41.360 --> 03:49:43.159
so that they can resolve it and then

03:49:43.239 --> 03:49:45.280
hopefully use the orle for this

03:49:45.360 --> 03:49:47.319
competition now I've got lights going

03:49:47.399 --> 03:49:49.000
off everywhere I don't want to protract

03:49:49.079 --> 03:49:51.319
the debate on this

03:49:51.399 --> 03:49:54.639
 y

03:49:54.719 --> 03:49:56.639
question did you just say that there was

03:49:56.719 --> 03:49:58.760
a report coming back to Council on this

03:49:58.840 --> 03:50:01.200
matter already my understanding there's

03:50:01.280 --> 03:50:04.399
a reporting draft on the lease agreement

03:50:04.479 --> 03:50:06.879
yes so yes well perhaps I can just

03:50:06.959 --> 03:50:09.120
capture the concern of  councilor CHR

03:50:09.200 --> 03:50:12.959
and  sorry to  speak in place of you

03:50:13.040 --> 03:50:14.840
Council gray but perhaps that part two

03:50:14.920 --> 03:50:17.879
we simply say request the the CEO to

03:50:17.959 --> 03:50:20.680
include in the pending report

03:50:20.760 --> 03:50:22.760
regarding uh to delete the words to

03:50:22.840 --> 03:50:25.440
provide a report on options for so to

03:50:25.520 --> 03:50:27.159
include in the pening report regarding

03:50:27.239 --> 03:50:28.840
lease arrangements for the narrow

03:50:28.920 --> 03:50:31.120
croquet Club delete the word with

03:50:31.200 --> 03:50:32.559
consideration of matters including but

03:50:32.639 --> 03:50:34.319
not limited to so just to direct as part

03:50:34.399 --> 03:50:35.680
of that it's written in draft at the

03:50:35.760 --> 03:50:37.360
moment to give some direction to the

03:50:37.440 --> 03:50:38.959
staff to include consideration of these

03:50:39.040 --> 03:50:40.559
matters as well in that report just so

03:50:40.639 --> 03:50:42.520
we're not doubling

03:50:42.600 --> 03:50:45.159
up I think that's a satis

03:50:45.239 --> 03:50:48.159
out a minor word Smith yep everybody

03:50:48.239 --> 03:50:50.680
knows what's going on there the report's

03:50:50.760 --> 03:50:53.479
on its way it'll go to the next

03:50:53.559 --> 03:50:57.680
Council it's all fine yeah Council gray

03:50:57.760 --> 03:51:01.000
so Madam M my question is to

03:51:01.079 --> 03:51:04.559
 to the acting director is this just

03:51:04.639 --> 03:51:06.440
really an operational matter that we

03:51:06.520 --> 03:51:09.520
shouldn't be meddling in and therefore

03:51:09.600 --> 03:51:11.680
this is just a political

03:51:11.760 --> 03:51:14.879
Folly can IAC

03:51:14.959 --> 03:51:16.399
drawn on that

03:51:16.479 --> 03:51:18.120
question leave leave that as a

03:51:18.200 --> 03:51:20.079
rhetorical question that doesn't 

03:51:20.159 --> 03:51:23.319
throw director Norwood under a

03:51:23.399 --> 03:51:25.239
boss okay I'm just going to put the

03:51:25.319 --> 03:51:27.120
motion now for voting thank you very

03:51:27.200 --> 03:51:31.040
much  is there any dissenting voices

03:51:31.120 --> 03:51:32.840
there being no dissenting V voices in

03:51:32.920 --> 03:51:35.879
the motion is well sorry John you desent

03:51:35.959 --> 03:51:37.920
thank you I'll desent too thanks I've

03:51:38.000 --> 03:51:40.000
got the two John's on descent  the

03:51:40.079 --> 03:51:43.079
balance vote for and the motion is

03:51:43.159 --> 03:51:46.159
carried

03:51:48.360 --> 03:51:52.040
great  Aboriginal cultural

03:51:52.120 --> 03:51:55.319
heritage councilor

03:51:55.399 --> 03:51:57.879
Kash thank you may

03:51:57.959 --> 03:52:00.120
Finley got a bit of a speech here for

03:52:00.200 --> 03:52:04.120
people to let them three minutes less

03:52:04.200 --> 03:52:06.000
great less the less you interrupt me the

03:52:06.079 --> 03:52:08.200
quicker it'll be done perect just

03:52:08.280 --> 03:52:11.760
saying cheeky  I want you to cast your

03:52:11.840 --> 03:52:14.760
minds back a bit to the time when hour

03:52:14.840 --> 03:52:17.120
did not exist it's not such a stretch

03:52:17.200 --> 03:52:19.760
just 300 years will do it the area is

03:52:19.840 --> 03:52:21.760
inhabited 300 years ago by the Jinger

03:52:21.840 --> 03:52:23.680
people some say part of the Yan Nation

03:52:23.760 --> 03:52:26.200
some say not imagine the resources

03:52:26.280 --> 03:52:27.600
available to a group of people living on

03:52:27.680 --> 03:52:29.360
the banks of this Mighty River a half a

03:52:29.440 --> 03:52:32.600
day's walk to wener a fantastic Lake

03:52:32.680 --> 03:52:34.639
full of food on the way you walk through

03:52:34.719 --> 03:52:36.719
the giant eucalyp forest of West Kara

03:52:36.799 --> 03:52:39.079
full of life or you stick to the river

03:52:39.159 --> 03:52:41.319
and feast on all types of

03:52:41.399 --> 03:52:45.680
seafood go back 400 years it's the same

03:52:45.760 --> 03:52:47.239
people caring for Country so it

03:52:47.319 --> 03:52:50.120
continues to provide for them 600 years

03:52:50.200 --> 03:52:52.440
ago the same important areas and

03:52:52.520 --> 03:52:54.680
cultural events took place right there

03:52:54.760 --> 03:52:56.520
as long ago as a thousand years these

03:52:56.600 --> 03:52:58.760
trails and stories were told about the

03:52:58.840 --> 03:53:00.559
links between these great places of

03:53:00.639 --> 03:53:03.760
Plenty buer Wula and the river let's go

03:53:03.840 --> 03:53:07.280
back further in time a th000 years 2,000

03:53:07.360 --> 03:53:09.440
before the establishment of Christian

03:53:09.520 --> 03:53:11.760
religions the same pattern stories and

03:53:11.840 --> 03:53:13.639
trails were being told here as they have

03:53:13.719 --> 03:53:16.399
been for a very long time indeed 5,000

03:53:16.479 --> 03:53:18.079
years ago when the pyramids were just an

03:53:18.159 --> 03:53:20.360
idea the people of the Geringer were

03:53:20.440 --> 03:53:22.120
here living their best lives they were

03:53:22.200 --> 03:53:25.319
following their cultural law L re living

03:53:25.399 --> 03:53:27.239
the song lines that Define their culture

03:53:27.319 --> 03:53:31.200
to this day indeed 10,000 years ago is

03:53:31.280 --> 03:53:33.200
recorded in the oral history of some

03:53:33.280 --> 03:53:35.760
tribes that the sea rose up it turns out

03:53:35.840 --> 03:53:38.200
this was between 10 and 12,000 years ago

03:53:38.280 --> 03:53:40.319
when the Canadian Shield glaciers burst

03:53:40.399 --> 03:53:42.600
and ran into the oceans these Coastal

03:53:42.680 --> 03:53:44.000
peoples have been in these areas

03:53:44.079 --> 03:53:45.959
docent mented and researched for at

03:53:46.040 --> 03:53:49.280
least 20,000 years well before any

03:53:49.360 --> 03:53:50.520
Western

03:53:50.600 --> 03:53:52.719
Civilization the oldest continuing

03:53:52.799 --> 03:53:55.200
living culture in the world we are lucky

03:53:55.280 --> 03:53:57.600
enough to be part of the oldest

03:53:57.680 --> 03:54:00.040
docented continuing culture in the

03:54:00.120 --> 03:54:02.280
world not one of the youngest countries

03:54:02.360 --> 03:54:06.360
at all but the oldest in the world sear

03:54:06.440 --> 03:54:07.959
are undoubtedly doing what they do best

03:54:08.040 --> 03:54:08.959
and I don't blame them they're

03:54:09.040 --> 03:54:10.959
developing land they're using the law

03:54:11.040 --> 03:54:13.799
law to get the best outcome for them who

03:54:13.879 --> 03:54:16.280
can blame in our profit-driven economy

03:54:16.360 --> 03:54:17.760
but it's about more than that and it has

03:54:17.840 --> 03:54:20.479
to be about more this motion is about

03:54:20.559 --> 03:54:22.959
what we're going to let happen we do not

03:54:23.040 --> 03:54:25.639
want a j and Gorge situation here we

03:54:25.719 --> 03:54:27.399
don't want any relics accidentally lost

03:54:27.479 --> 03:54:29.719
or destroyed or damaged what we need is

03:54:29.799 --> 03:54:31.719
the involvement of the Jinger local area

03:54:31.799 --> 03:54:34.079
land Council the elected mob from this

03:54:34.159 --> 03:54:36.520
country to be listened to the elected

03:54:36.600 --> 03:54:38.680
crew who represent their peoples wishes

03:54:38.760 --> 03:54:40.760
in regards to the land should be

03:54:40.840 --> 03:54:43.200
involved in these decisions allow them

03:54:43.280 --> 03:54:45.079
access don't just talk to them listen to

03:54:45.159 --> 03:54:47.680
their voice this motion asks for three

03:54:47.760 --> 03:54:50.440
easy things part one recognize and

03:54:50.520 --> 03:54:52.399
support the Jinger land Council request

03:54:52.479 --> 03:54:55.079
for a moratori on the west cbar site

03:54:55.159 --> 03:54:56.719
support the Jinger who asked the permit

03:54:56.799 --> 03:54:59.479
to re be revoked in 2021 and send a

03:54:59.559 --> 03:55:01.920
letter as such and the third part

03:55:02.000 --> 03:55:03.559
request that sear wait until the

03:55:03.639 --> 03:55:05.879
Heritage Department get back to the JL

03:55:05.959 --> 03:55:07.680
and in the meantime return the artifacts

03:55:07.760 --> 03:55:09.959
to the site under the direction of the J

03:55:10.040 --> 03:55:13.000
loock after all the Jinger local area L

03:55:13.079 --> 03:55:15.680
Council are the Ed mob in charge of this

03:55:15.760 --> 03:55:18.239
business today you heard from Alf the

03:55:18.319 --> 03:55:20.559
head of Jinger local Aboriginal land

03:55:20.639 --> 03:55:23.600
Council Al's called us to do better it

03:55:23.680 --> 03:55:25.559
is the oldest continual culture in the

03:55:25.639 --> 03:55:28.319
world asking one of the youngest go

03:55:28.399 --> 03:55:30.760
slowly do it right listen to the local

03:55:30.840 --> 03:55:33.079
people don't just hear what they have to

03:55:33.159 --> 03:55:35.319
say I commend this motion to you thank

03:55:35.399 --> 03:55:37.000
you I'll note councel Norris as the

03:55:37.079 --> 03:55:38.520
second to councel

03:55:38.600 --> 03:55:41.520
Christen I'd like to  support this

03:55:41.600 --> 03:55:45.479
motion and uh

03:55:45.559 --> 03:55:47.920
the comments by Mr Alf

03:55:48.000 --> 03:55:49.680
Wellington

03:55:49.760 --> 03:55:51.520
really how

03:55:51.600 --> 03:55:53.040
much

03:55:53.120 --> 03:55:55.760
excavation do you need to do to

03:55:55.840 --> 03:55:58.159
understand that this is a important

03:55:58.239 --> 03:56:02.079
cultural site there's already 19,000

03:56:02.159 --> 03:56:05.120
artifacts found what is the point of

03:56:05.200 --> 03:56:07.520
continuing this process and it's an

03:56:07.600 --> 03:56:10.799
objective process run by archaeologists

03:56:10.879 --> 03:56:15.520
it's not a may maybe yes no

03:56:15.600 --> 03:56:17.159
number

03:56:17.239 --> 03:56:20.159
two the supported independent

03:56:20.239 --> 03:56:22.319
investigation by archaeologist that's

03:56:22.399 --> 03:56:25.680
that supported removal of the ahip and

03:56:25.760 --> 03:56:27.680
so that's an independent study has been

03:56:27.760 --> 03:56:30.559
done there as well and we heard about

03:56:30.639 --> 03:56:32.479
the traa that this is

03:56:32.559 --> 03:56:35.920
causing as this land systematically gets

03:56:36.000 --> 03:56:37.680
destroyed by the

03:56:37.760 --> 03:56:40.600
development and a touch on Al's point

03:56:40.680 --> 03:56:43.040
that ecological values are cultural

03:56:43.120 --> 03:56:46.200
values they're inter twined so it's not

03:56:46.280 --> 03:56:49.440
one or the other it's they're together

03:56:49.520 --> 03:56:53.120
all the time and I support this motion

03:56:53.200 --> 03:56:55.680
and I think this

03:56:55.760 --> 03:56:59.360
approach of destroying a site to prove

03:56:59.440 --> 03:57:03.239
it was culturally significant is

03:57:03.319 --> 03:57:05.319
ridiculous so councilors have had two

03:57:05.399 --> 03:57:07.079
speakers for are there any speakers

03:57:07.159 --> 03:57:10.159
against

03:57:15.159 --> 03:57:16.680
no speakers

03:57:16.760 --> 03:57:20.280
against Madam mayor I I wish to speak in

03:57:20.360 --> 03:57:22.559
FA in favor of the position put forward

03:57:22.639 --> 03:57:24.159
by n

03:57:24.239 --> 03:57:27.399
g okay these lands these lands have been

03:57:27.479 --> 03:57:30.360
long identified long identified for

03:57:30.440 --> 03:57:33.120
residential development and potential

03:57:33.200 --> 03:57:36.040
future subdivision and I believe that se

03:57:36.120 --> 03:57:38.799
like Pro limited are going about that

03:57:38.879 --> 03:57:40.360
business in a

03:57:40.440 --> 03:57:42.959
professional sensitive and consultative

03:57:43.040 --> 03:57:44.920
manner

03:57:45.000 --> 03:57:48.399
uh so I don't agree with the  last

03:57:48.479 --> 03:57:51.479
minute proposition put forward by

03:57:51.559 --> 03:57:54.879
councilor cot lash on an outgoing

03:57:54.959 --> 03:57:57.360
wave of former

03:57:57.440 --> 03:58:00.000
counselors to Scuttle development in

03:58:00.079 --> 03:58:02.280
this part of the Shoalhaven I think in the

03:58:02.360 --> 03:58:05.559
current climate as Mr Carby said housing

03:58:05.639 --> 03:58:08.280
crisis we all need to put our Sher World

03:58:08.360 --> 03:58:10.920
pitch in and I believe that both C

03:58:11.000 --> 03:58:14.559
abrial cultural and environmental

03:58:14.639 --> 03:58:17.000
attributes of these properties are being

03:58:17.079 --> 03:58:19.680
given due respect uh and treatment and I

03:58:19.760 --> 03:58:21.360
believe the state authorities are

03:58:21.440 --> 03:58:22.600
acknowledging that through their

03:58:22.680 --> 03:58:25.639
approval system thank

03:58:25.719 --> 03:58:29.000
you any further speakers

03:58:29.079 --> 03:58:32.079
against any further speakers

03:58:32.159 --> 03:58:36.280
for wrer reply thank you let's put it to

03:58:36.360 --> 03:58:37.719
the vote and we'll use the device thank

03:58:37.799 --> 03:58:41.000
you so councelor Wells do you want to be

03:58:41.079 --> 03:58:44.239
registered as voting against of course

03:58:44.319 --> 03:58:45.680
I've just spoken that way yep no I'm

03:58:45.760 --> 03:58:47.719
just confirming and having your voice

03:58:47.799 --> 03:58:50.159
state

03:58:52.799 --> 03:58:55.200
that okay so the balance of the vote is

03:58:55.280 --> 03:58:59.280
in and the motion is carried thank

03:59:02.639 --> 03:59:06.040
you final one

03:59:06.120 --> 03:59:10.159
on on the list of things that were uh

03:59:10.239 --> 03:59:14.639
deputized on is the final no

03:59:14.719 --> 03:59:16.920
no it's not it's a notice of motion

03:59:17.000 --> 03:59:19.120
sorry on the moratori councilor

03:59:19.200 --> 03:59:22.280
Quist thank you Madame mayor  second

03:59:22.360 --> 03:59:24.680
by councelor gray this this motion

03:59:24.760 --> 03:59:27.120
speaks to the issue of zombie dasas that

03:59:27.200 --> 03:59:28.399
we've heard a lot about and

03:59:28.479 --> 03:59:30.479
unfortunately the Sha Haven has more

03:59:30.559 --> 03:59:32.079
than its fair share

03:59:32.159 --> 03:59:36.399
of the we've heard about these uh the

03:59:36.479 --> 03:59:38.440
fact that so many indigenous cultural

03:59:38.520 --> 03:59:40.200
vales are under threat and the natural

03:59:40.280 --> 03:59:42.799
environment is under threat multiple

03:59:42.879 --> 03:59:45.959
concerns across the community  from

03:59:46.040 --> 03:59:47.639
the top of the Shoalhaven down to the

03:59:47.719 --> 03:59:49.239
bottom there's so many sites that are

03:59:49.319 --> 03:59:52.000
affected by these zombie do at the same

03:59:52.079 --> 03:59:53.920
time the list of endangered species

03:59:54.000 --> 03:59:55.799
grows and grows now including glossy

03:59:55.879 --> 03:59:56.719
black

03:59:56.799 --> 04:00:00.040
cockus and as as Al Wellington said

04:00:00.120 --> 04:00:01.959
earlier I'm I'm not sure many people

04:00:02.040 --> 04:00:06.159
know but the koala used to be  in the

04:00:06.239 --> 04:00:07.920
in the shaw Haven the last population

04:00:08.000 --> 04:00:10.879
was on 7 m Beach and now they're gone so

04:00:10.959 --> 04:00:15.239
we're losing that natural  diversity

04:00:15.319 --> 04:00:17.959
the precious animals and plants of the

04:00:18.040 --> 04:00:21.479
Shoalhaven and they need to be preserved

04:00:21.559 --> 04:00:24.200
not just for us but for our children and

04:00:24.280 --> 04:00:27.159
grandchildren so I'm asking that the

04:00:27.239 --> 04:00:30.799
precautionary principle be adopted and

04:00:30.879 --> 04:00:33.680
it's it's enshrined in legislation 

04:00:33.760 --> 04:00:36.239
the precautionary principle I think we

04:00:36.319 --> 04:00:38.959
understand is that under uncertainty

04:00:39.040 --> 04:00:41.440
where there is uncertainty there should

04:00:41.520 --> 04:00:43.399
not  that uncertainty should not be

04:00:43.479 --> 04:00:47.120
used as a re  reason for postponing

04:00:47.200 --> 04:00:49.639
measures to prevent environmental

04:00:49.719 --> 04:00:52.239
degradation the precautionary principle

04:00:52.319 --> 04:00:57.079
is in the local Land Services act  uh

04:00:57.159 --> 04:00:58.600
very quickly it's in the marina State

04:00:58.680 --> 04:01:00.600
agement act it's in the objectives of

04:01:00.680 --> 04:01:02.200
the EPA it's in that in the National

04:01:02.280 --> 04:01:05.319
environment protection Council act local

04:01:05.399 --> 04:01:08.239
Land Services act Local Government

04:01:08.319 --> 04:01:12.040
Act  and policies and the local

04:01:12.120 --> 04:01:14.079
government amendments ecologically

04:01:14.159 --> 04:01:16.200
sustainable development act so it's all

04:01:16.280 --> 04:01:18.559
over the legislation this is a clear

04:01:18.639 --> 04:01:21.959
case of where  the the state is

04:01:22.040 --> 04:01:24.719
reviewing the whole situation there's a

04:01:24.799 --> 04:01:26.520
lot of uncertainty and so the

04:01:26.600 --> 04:01:29.000
precautionary principle really should be

04:01:29.079 --> 04:01:31.280
applied  there's no great loss the

04:01:31.360 --> 04:01:33.360
lands aren't developed yet  because

04:01:33.440 --> 04:01:35.520
there's still zombie Das so I think it

04:01:35.600 --> 04:01:39.520
would not be  a harm to put in a

04:01:39.600 --> 04:01:41.559
temporary moratori whilst this is

04:01:41.639 --> 04:01:44.719
sorted out thank you thank you I've

04:01:44.799 --> 04:01:48.559
listed councelor  gray as the seconder

04:01:48.639 --> 04:01:50.319
councelor Watson you speaking against

04:01:50.399 --> 04:01:52.520
the

04:01:53.520 --> 04:01:56.200
motion yes madame

04:01:56.280 --> 04:01:59.520
mayor my colleague bird Me on he just

04:01:59.600 --> 04:02:02.159
said oh it's not going to there's not

04:02:02.239 --> 04:02:04.040
going to be any loss what about the

04:02:04.120 --> 04:02:06.600
property owners that just happened to

04:02:06.680 --> 04:02:10.360
own these  Das which have been

04:02:10.440 --> 04:02:12.479
crystallized and started They carried

04:02:12.559 --> 04:02:14.879
out works with an application put in

04:02:14.959 --> 04:02:16.040
they were

04:02:16.120 --> 04:02:18.760
approved it might be a 5ac subdivision

04:02:18.840 --> 04:02:21.799
or two two hectare as you call them now

04:02:21.879 --> 04:02:23.520
it may be a dwelling house which has

04:02:23.600 --> 04:02:27.479
been commenced I know of a number of uh

04:02:27.559 --> 04:02:29.319
subdivisions that have been approved in

04:02:29.399 --> 04:02:33.319
the last not in the last couple of years

04:02:33.399 --> 04:02:36.479
and  particularly at where I I'm on

04:02:36.559 --> 04:02:38.920
season good road people have put their

04:02:39.000 --> 04:02:41.520
roads in they've crystallized them in

04:02:41.600 --> 04:02:43.600
the belief that they weren't going to

04:02:43.680 --> 04:02:45.479
have have their development rights

04:02:45.559 --> 04:02:47.959
stolen off them this is just straight

04:02:48.040 --> 04:02:51.719
out theft of people's money now if you

04:02:51.799 --> 04:02:54.040
want to go along with this guy this idea

04:02:54.120 --> 04:02:57.639
of uh scuttling something you give it a

04:02:57.719 --> 04:02:59.760
horrible name you call it a zombie da

04:02:59.840 --> 04:03:03.040
it's not a zombie da at all it's a a

04:03:03.120 --> 04:03:05.680
legally approved development

04:03:05.760 --> 04:03:08.319
application and they're sitting there

04:03:08.399 --> 04:03:10.319
because someone commenced the

04:03:10.399 --> 04:03:13.799
construction of the project

04:03:13.879 --> 04:03:16.399
so you what you're doing it's just

04:03:16.479 --> 04:03:19.079
legalized theft of people's money it is

04:03:19.159 --> 04:03:21.159
taking money off people and it is

04:03:21.239 --> 04:03:23.719
hurting people

04:03:23.799 --> 04:03:27.520
and it's just a play thing all this

04:03:27.600 --> 04:03:30.360
nonsense about endangered species what's

04:03:30.440 --> 04:03:33.159
that got to do with someone that got a

04:03:33.239 --> 04:03:36.879
DA approved three years ago and

04:03:36.959 --> 04:03:38.959
commenced it that's what you're talking

04:03:39.040 --> 04:03:41.399
about you want to get rid of them or 5

04:03:41.479 --> 04:03:44.399
years just limit it to 5 years is

04:03:44.479 --> 04:03:46.200
doesn't matter whether you start work on

04:03:46.280 --> 04:03:49.879
it if you haven't finished it in 5 years

04:03:49.959 --> 04:03:52.840
stop work go home that's what you're

04:03:52.920 --> 04:03:54.520
talking

04:03:54.600 --> 04:03:57.600
about

04:03:59.159 --> 04:04:02.559
aing speaker

04:04:03.879 --> 04:04:06.399
for thanks councilor gray I'm speaking

04:04:06.479 --> 04:04:09.159
for and now I'm sitting down thank you

04:04:09.239 --> 04:04:10.680
speaker

04:04:10.760 --> 04:04:14.399
against question yep thanks mayor Finley

04:04:14.479 --> 04:04:16.639
through you to the CEO and then probably

04:04:16.719 --> 04:04:19.559
on to director R pre I'd be thinking 

04:04:19.639 --> 04:04:22.760
the question I have have for him is what

04:04:22.840 --> 04:04:24.360
constitutes

04:04:24.440 --> 04:04:28.760
 contemporary studies in terms of Da

04:04:28.840 --> 04:04:32.680
laws is there a like everything

04:04:32.760 --> 04:04:34.959
considered after 1982 is contemporary or

04:04:35.040 --> 04:04:38.319
what have you through you uh Madam May

04:04:38.399 --> 04:04:41.120
no there's no no direct  definition as

04:04:41.200 --> 04:04:42.920
far as the planning principles go uh

04:04:43.000 --> 04:04:45.079
councils I think you'd have to delve

04:04:45.159 --> 04:04:49.319
really into  the currency of consent

04:04:49.399 --> 04:04:53.079
issue and so the the the issue of a

04:04:53.159 --> 04:04:57.559
consent being valid for 5 years  and

04:04:57.639 --> 04:05:01.159
the issue of substantial commencement of

04:05:01.239 --> 04:05:03.760
Das or consents rather that have been

04:05:03.840 --> 04:05:06.879
issued prior to or more than 5 years ago

04:05:06.959 --> 04:05:09.280
that still maintain currency and perhaps

04:05:09.360 --> 04:05:11.479
don't have as uh as contemporary

04:05:11.559 --> 04:05:13.280
assessments  environmental law is

04:05:13.360 --> 04:05:14.200
changing

04:05:14.280 --> 04:05:16.840
 routinely uh planning law is being

04:05:16.920 --> 04:05:19.040
amended uh routinely so contemporary

04:05:19.120 --> 04:05:21.840
today may not be contemporary tomorrow

04:05:21.920 --> 04:05:23.840
 but this really speaks to the level

04:05:23.920 --> 04:05:27.559
of  commencement and the currency of a

04:05:27.639 --> 04:05:29.639
consent and that's the the issue around

04:05:29.719 --> 04:05:32.840
the terminology of zombie Das where a DA

04:05:32.920 --> 04:05:36.959
was uh approved more than 5 years prior

04:05:37.040 --> 04:05:38.879
uh but has been commenced to a level

04:05:38.959 --> 04:05:40.520
that it can be held in perpetuity

04:05:40.600 --> 04:05:42.840
legally and and and recommenced at any

04:05:42.920 --> 04:05:44.920
time

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supplementary Council of

04:05:46.600 --> 04:05:49.719
cot oh yeah sort of

04:05:49.799 --> 04:05:53.399
 so is

04:05:53.479 --> 04:05:55.840
it it's difficult for you to give an

04:05:55.920 --> 04:05:58.760
example but could you perhaps speak

04:05:58.840 --> 04:06:01.079
broader in terms of what type of

04:06:01.159 --> 04:06:02.719
developments are likely to be caught up

04:06:02.799 --> 04:06:05.440
should this be voted up tonight and what

04:06:05.520 --> 04:06:07.520
would be particularly excluded and what

04:06:07.600 --> 04:06:09.600
the reasons might be through you Madame

04:06:09.680 --> 04:06:10.639
may I don't think anything would be

04:06:10.719 --> 04:06:13.040
excluded  explicitly uh councilors I

04:06:13.120 --> 04:06:14.760
mean I do acknowledge that this is

04:06:14.840 --> 04:06:16.440
request a request to the New South Wales

04:06:16.520 --> 04:06:18.079
government it's not something that

04:06:18.159 --> 04:06:20.079
Council has the direct power to

04:06:20.159 --> 04:06:22.559
undertake uh in saying that this uh this

04:06:22.639 --> 04:06:24.440
would cover all historical development

04:06:24.520 --> 04:06:27.319
consents  in my experience it is

04:06:27.399 --> 04:06:30.000
larger developments that are have some

04:06:30.079 --> 04:06:33.440
sort of an economic  driver or benefit

04:06:33.520 --> 04:06:35.120
that are typically held in OB bance

04:06:35.200 --> 04:06:38.440
until economic climates are correct

04:06:38.520 --> 04:06:41.200
right  be it interest rates be uh be

04:06:41.280 --> 04:06:44.239
construction uh costs th those so it's

04:06:44.319 --> 04:06:48.079
probably more likely to impact  things

04:06:48.159 --> 04:06:50.920
that have uh an employment or an

04:06:51.000 --> 04:06:53.600
economic component or subdivisions

04:06:53.680 --> 04:06:56.120
rather than say individual deck sheds

04:06:56.200 --> 04:06:58.040
houses and uh and those smaller levels

04:06:58.120 --> 04:06:59.319
of

04:06:59.399 --> 04:07:03.440
development another question

04:07:04.040 --> 04:07:08.079
 so this motion is asking for the New

04:07:08.159 --> 04:07:10.200
South Wales government to act a

04:07:10.280 --> 04:07:11.399
particular

04:07:11.479 --> 04:07:13.639
way the New South Wales government is

04:07:13.719 --> 04:07:15.319
currently at the moment has a review

04:07:15.399 --> 04:07:18.760
into zombie Das do you know when that is

04:07:18.840 --> 04:07:20.559
likely to

04:07:20.639 --> 04:07:24.239
land and how close it might

04:07:24.319 --> 04:07:29.639
be nothing okay so please take the

04:07:29.719 --> 04:07:32.159
floor well we don't know when it will be

04:07:32.239 --> 04:07:33.840
we know that we provided a pretty strong

04:07:33.920 --> 04:07:35.799
submission to that inquiry and that

04:07:35.879 --> 04:07:37.479
staff have been asked to speak as part

04:07:37.559 --> 04:07:42.520
of that okay thank you  so we direct

04:07:42.600 --> 04:07:44.040
the new southw government to do

04:07:44.120 --> 04:07:46.159
something what if they're not of a mind

04:07:46.239 --> 04:07:47.360
to do

04:07:47.440 --> 04:07:51.040
that they won't okay yeah

04:07:51.120 --> 04:07:55.120
okay in which case in which case I think

04:07:55.200 --> 04:07:57.120
councelor Watson I don't think you need

04:07:57.200 --> 04:07:58.680
to be too worried about this one just

04:07:58.760 --> 04:08:00.159
saying I think this might more be a

04:08:00.239 --> 04:08:03.959
signal of lovely intention than actual

04:08:04.040 --> 04:08:04.840
actual

04:08:04.920 --> 04:08:08.120
problem councelor wells in other words

04:08:08.200 --> 04:08:12.440
Council C virtue signaling because 

04:08:12.520 --> 04:08:14.280
who knows how long piece of string is in

04:08:14.360 --> 04:08:16.159
terms of this New South Wales

04:08:16.239 --> 04:08:18.399
parliamentary inquiry and if this get If

04:08:18.479 --> 04:08:20.239
This Were to be seriously considered and

04:08:20.319 --> 04:08:22.760
got up in Parliament it would bring the

04:08:22.840 --> 04:08:24.760
it would bring the state to a

04:08:24.840 --> 04:08:29.440
standstill  this to me is U abject

04:08:29.520 --> 04:08:33.360
nonsense it's a value Laden application

04:08:33.440 --> 04:08:35.920
of what is contemporary I can give you

04:08:36.000 --> 04:08:39.360
cases where we wanted to buy land from

04:08:39.440 --> 04:08:41.600
Anana and we had to undertake

04:08:41.680 --> 04:08:43.440
contemporary studies that showed that

04:08:43.520 --> 04:08:47.360
lamb is pretty ecologically uh useless

04:08:47.440 --> 04:08:50.719
same at kala Bay with the U with the

04:08:50.799 --> 04:08:53.520
rejection of that subdivision going

04:08:53.600 --> 04:08:56.239
forward the studies that seak have done

04:08:56.319 --> 04:08:59.319
over many many years were deemed not

04:08:59.399 --> 04:09:00.959
contemporary let's have some

04:09:01.040 --> 04:09:02.680
contemporary studies and we'll use that

04:09:02.760 --> 04:09:04.920
to stop the whole thing that's what this

04:09:05.000 --> 04:09:07.600
is about thank you thank you I've had

04:09:07.680 --> 04:09:09.440
two speakers for two speakers against

04:09:09.520 --> 04:09:11.200
I'm going to go now to councilor

04:09:11.280 --> 04:09:13.840
Christen for the right of reply thank

04:09:13.920 --> 04:09:15.600
you madam mayor I think I could have

04:09:15.680 --> 04:09:17.719
chosen a better word than contemporary

04:09:17.799 --> 04:09:20.879
 perhaps  current current 

04:09:20.959 --> 04:09:22.520
planning standards or current legal

04:09:22.600 --> 04:09:24.040
standards might have been a better word

04:09:24.120 --> 04:09:25.520
I thought it was self-evident but

04:09:25.600 --> 04:09:28.680
clearly not  you know these are zombie

04:09:28.760 --> 04:09:30.959
Das because some of them are 20 30 years

04:09:31.040 --> 04:09:34.520
old so that's how long ago  they got

04:09:34.600 --> 04:09:38.280
approved and just have sat there dment

04:09:38.360 --> 04:09:40.920
they have haven't been  started as

04:09:41.000 --> 04:09:42.440
such it could be just a peg knocked in

04:09:42.520 --> 04:09:44.639
the ground or even a bush trimmed back

04:09:44.719 --> 04:09:47.040
in those days constituted the starting

04:09:47.120 --> 04:09:53.479
of a DA so that's that's the issue  da

04:09:53.559 --> 04:09:56.559
approved 20 30 years ago doesn't meet

04:09:56.639 --> 04:09:59.760
the expectations of the modern community

04:09:59.840 --> 04:10:02.799
and that's what we would like them to do

04:10:02.879 --> 04:10:07.200
doesn't stop the da going ahead in its

04:10:07.280 --> 04:10:09.600
uh in in in the future so it doesn't

04:10:09.680 --> 04:10:11.680
affect the land or the land value it's

04:10:11.760 --> 04:10:13.959
not asking to undo the da

04:10:14.040 --> 04:10:16.840
it's just asking that that be done  be

04:10:16.920 --> 04:10:22.200
done on  to not contemporary the

04:10:22.280 --> 04:10:26.319
current legal standards thank you thank

04:10:26.399 --> 04:10:29.159
you with that we'll go to the

04:10:29.239 --> 04:10:31.719
vote councilor Wells from your comments

04:10:31.799 --> 04:10:33.079
I'll just get a confirmation that you're

04:10:33.159 --> 04:10:36.079
voting against you're correct mam there

04:10:36.159 --> 04:10:39.319
thank you

04:10:43.760 --> 04:10:46.600
not two people who have not voted

04:10:46.680 --> 04:10:50.920
councelor kutash push the

04:10:52.440 --> 04:10:55.799
button you'll get you'll just take

04:10:55.879 --> 04:10:58.879
control of your destiny there and 

04:10:58.959 --> 04:11:01.280
great all right well casting vote we'll

04:11:01.360 --> 04:11:03.239
make that the winner thank

04:11:03.319 --> 04:11:04.760
you

04:11:04.840 --> 04:11:08.760
always EXC  I just have a a question

04:11:08.840 --> 04:11:12.239
for you regarding procedure  firstly

04:11:12.319 --> 04:11:13.799
what happens at 10:00

04:11:13.879 --> 04:11:16.520
with the remaining we're going home is

04:11:16.600 --> 04:11:18.799
what we're doing  we're not staying

04:11:18.879 --> 04:11:20.559
any longer I don't think that there's

04:11:20.639 --> 04:11:24.280
any we've got 18 motions councilors when

04:11:24.360 --> 04:11:26.399
I say that we're

04:11:26.479 --> 04:11:29.479
not yes I Mo procedural motion we bring

04:11:29.559 --> 04:11:32.360
forward 24257 and deal with Council

04:11:32.440 --> 04:11:37.159
Watson's long period of service and W

04:11:37.239 --> 04:11:41.159
up well I F I'd like to bring forward

04:11:41.239 --> 04:11:44.360
263 24 263 Madam mayor I understand that

04:11:44.440 --> 04:11:45.719
there is that other notice motion

04:11:45.799 --> 04:11:48.040
regarding Council Watson's service but I

04:11:48.120 --> 04:11:49.319
think it's important we do finish the

04:11:49.399 --> 04:11:50.639
notice's motion given we're in that

04:11:50.719 --> 04:11:52.319
section of the business paper and I

04:11:52.399 --> 04:11:53.760
would like to move a procedural motion

04:11:53.840 --> 04:11:56.600
we bring forward matter 24263 given it

04:11:56.680 --> 04:11:59.120
is a very significant issue and I'm I

04:11:59.200 --> 04:12:03.159
guess conern W bear I hear that but 

04:12:03.239 --> 04:12:04.840
councilor Wells I don't have a problem

04:12:04.920 --> 04:12:07.639
bringing forward  a second motion

04:12:07.719 --> 04:12:09.000
considering that we've already done this

04:12:09.079 --> 04:12:11.600
by Merl minute but that's fine  I

04:12:11.680 --> 04:12:12.559
don't have a problem bringing that

04:12:12.639 --> 04:12:14.239
forward do have a problem bringing the

04:12:14.319 --> 04:12:15.879
other one forward I think it's too late

04:12:15.959 --> 04:12:17.440
at night that needs to go into

04:12:17.520 --> 04:12:20.239
confidential  that motion so if you

04:12:20.319 --> 04:12:22.799
want to do that  then know that we'll

04:12:22.879 --> 04:12:26.040
be here for a bit longer  that's fine

04:12:26.120 --> 04:12:29.000
but the 10:00 limit is on 18 motions

04:12:29.079 --> 04:12:30.040
we're not going to get it done we'll

04:12:30.120 --> 04:12:31.840
come back Thursday at the normal

04:12:31.920 --> 04:12:34.879
briefing time  and you will get a much

04:12:34.959 --> 04:12:37.120
better outcome with not hungry people

04:12:37.200 --> 04:12:41.239
doing bad jobs

04:12:44.200 --> 04:12:45.799
none of you get any choice in the matter

04:12:45.879 --> 04:12:47.040
because there's been a whole lot of

04:12:47.120 --> 04:12:49.120
talking tonight and the work needs to be

04:12:49.200 --> 04:12:50.639
complete and I'm going to shut up so we

04:12:50.719 --> 04:12:52.959
can do some more work councelor Wells is

04:12:53.040 --> 04:12:55.879
now brought into the procedural motion

04:12:55.959 --> 04:12:59.159
to bring forward councelor Watson's uh

04:12:59.239 --> 04:13:02.479
notice of motion  councelor white I'm

04:13:02.559 --> 04:13:05.159
assing is going to second that uh is

04:13:05.239 --> 04:13:06.639
there support for the procedural motion

04:13:06.719 --> 04:13:09.239
to bring forward that motion yes there

04:13:09.319 --> 04:13:10.879
is there's no dissenting voices so

04:13:10.959 --> 04:13:12.479
that's brought forward councelor Wells

04:13:12.559 --> 04:13:14.440
go ahead

04:13:14.520 --> 04:13:16.959
thinking out of May's time is limited

04:13:17.040 --> 04:13:19.120
and uh that's somewhat regrettable

04:13:19.200 --> 04:13:22.000
giving the uh the gravity of this motion

04:13:22.079 --> 04:13:25.200
that we acknowledge the U the work the

04:13:25.280 --> 04:13:27.520
service and the contribution of our

04:13:27.600 --> 04:13:29.479
colleague and friend counselor Greg

04:13:29.559 --> 04:13:33.559
Watson to the Civic life of the city the

04:13:33.639 --> 04:13:37.719
development of the city  and his 

04:13:37.799 --> 04:13:39.559
unwavering commitment to the people of

04:13:39.639 --> 04:13:41.000
the

04:13:41.079 --> 04:13:44.440
city we've listened half points in this

04:13:44.520 --> 04:13:46.479
 particular notice ofation but we

04:13:46.559 --> 04:13:49.000
could have gone on and the source

04:13:49.079 --> 04:13:51.319
docent was provided to us behind this

04:13:51.399 --> 04:13:54.520
notice of motion did go on for Reams and

04:13:54.600 --> 04:13:56.639
reams of pages his contribution of the

04:13:56.719 --> 04:13:59.680
city in a whole variety of areas not

04:13:59.760 --> 04:14:02.879
only infrastructure and assets but 

04:14:02.959 --> 04:14:04.680
his management of government his

04:14:04.760 --> 04:14:07.079
management of council business his 14

04:14:07.159 --> 04:14:09.920
years and S month servic as a there uh

04:14:10.000 --> 04:14:11.440
has been outstanding and that's been

04:14:11.520 --> 04:14:13.319
acknowledged by a local government South

04:14:13.399 --> 04:14:16.360
Wales in granting him a merit

04:14:16.440 --> 04:14:19.799
status  in his capacity as a mayor and

04:14:19.879 --> 04:14:22.440
counselor so I'm very pleased to bring

04:14:22.520 --> 04:14:24.280
this forward to council I know that

04:14:24.360 --> 04:14:28.840
Council white joins me u in thanking GRE

04:14:28.920 --> 04:14:31.280
for his service on behalf of the whole

04:14:31.360 --> 04:14:34.120
shaven community and wishing him and his

04:14:34.200 --> 04:14:36.799
lovely wife Robin all the very best for

04:14:36.879 --> 04:14:38.319
the happy and long

04:14:38.399 --> 04:14:41.479
retirement so I trust that there will be

04:14:41.559 --> 04:14:44.479
unanimous support for this m

04:14:44.559 --> 04:14:48.399
and I commend it to you thank

04:14:51.200 --> 04:14:55.200
you okay further discussion

04:14:57.719 --> 04:14:59.639
councilors okay thank you may Finley

04:14:59.719 --> 04:15:02.440
just keeping it very quick to say Echo

04:15:02.520 --> 04:15:04.200
the words that I made uh that I remarked

04:15:04.280 --> 04:15:05.959
earlier today Greg Watson thank you very

04:15:06.040 --> 04:15:08.520
much for providing an opportunity to

04:15:08.600 --> 04:15:10.520
talk to a counselor who's been around

04:15:10.600 --> 04:15:12.959
forever and know stuff about the local

04:15:13.040 --> 04:15:15.280
area and if there's one thing that we

04:15:15.360 --> 04:15:18.399
could do between now and whenever it

04:15:18.479 --> 04:15:20.000
will be to go for a drive around the Sha

04:15:20.079 --> 04:15:21.840
Haven and I could just have you in the

04:15:21.920 --> 04:15:23.600
passenger seat and I will drive around

04:15:23.680 --> 04:15:24.760
and you could tell me all the little

04:15:24.840 --> 04:15:26.479
things that I might need to know that

04:15:26.559 --> 04:15:28.879
would be

04:15:32.399 --> 04:15:36.079
delightful yeah so I just want to 

04:15:36.159 --> 04:15:37.760
agree with everything that councilor

04:15:37.840 --> 04:15:40.879
Wells has said  50 years and as I said

04:15:40.959 --> 04:15:43.959
earlier today 50 years being elected by

04:15:44.040 --> 04:15:46.280
the constituents the residents of the

04:15:46.360 --> 04:15:49.159
Sha Haven is  an achievement that I

04:15:49.239 --> 04:15:51.079
don't think we'll see in this Council

04:15:51.159 --> 04:15:54.159
again  or if we do it'll be a long

04:15:54.239 --> 04:15:57.399
long long time before it happens yes it

04:15:57.479 --> 04:16:00.959
won't be me I can tell you  so I just

04:16:01.040 --> 04:16:03.079
want to congratulate Greg for sticking

04:16:03.159 --> 04:16:05.200
it out I know sometimes it hasn't been

04:16:05.280 --> 04:16:07.680
easy I know that you've been criticized

04:16:07.760 --> 04:16:09.559
along the way of those 50 years for

04:16:09.639 --> 04:16:11.520
things that people thought you did but

04:16:11.600 --> 04:16:14.200
you didn't do  but I think most

04:16:14.280 --> 04:16:16.360
significant your contribution has been

04:16:16.440 --> 04:16:18.680
to the entertainment center because

04:16:18.760 --> 04:16:20.440
without the enter without Greg's

04:16:20.520 --> 04:16:22.440
involvement and I was around in those

04:16:22.520 --> 04:16:23.920
days I went to the opening of the

04:16:24.000 --> 04:16:27.079
entertainment center  without him and

04:16:27.159 --> 04:16:30.280
his Force  to get that building built

04:16:30.360 --> 04:16:32.319
we wouldn't have it today and we

04:16:32.399 --> 04:16:33.879
wouldn't have an entertainment center in

04:16:33.959 --> 04:16:36.239
the Sha Haven so I think that's a great

04:16:36.319 --> 04:16:38.840
legacy that he's left the city  and in

04:16:38.920 --> 04:16:40.799
the future I'm going to put a notice

04:16:40.879 --> 04:16:43.760
motion up right because I want to call

04:16:43.840 --> 04:16:46.840
the little roadway around here Watson's

04:16:46.920 --> 04:16:49.399
way so every counselor that walks in

04:16:49.479 --> 04:16:54.479
this room will know Greg Watson was

04:16:57.440 --> 04:17:00.399
here Matthew exceptionally briefly I

04:17:00.479 --> 04:17:02.159
just wanted to Echo this statement I

04:17:02.239 --> 04:17:04.200
made last time Greg thanks so much for

04:17:04.280 --> 04:17:06.200
your

04:17:06.280 --> 04:17:08.799
service okay councilors put the motion

04:17:08.879 --> 04:17:10.559
any dissenting voices it being known and

04:17:10.639 --> 04:17:14.840
that is carried right

04:17:19.399 --> 04:17:21.360
there are 17 motions and I need seven

04:17:21.440 --> 04:17:23.559
people to turn up and make policy to an

04:17:23.639 --> 04:17:26.360
adjourned meeting can I get a quor on

04:17:26.440 --> 04:17:30.760
Thursday please and we'll come great we

04:17:30.840 --> 04:17:33.159
do five we can do it at five five would

04:17:33.239 --> 04:17:36.879
be awesome and try and nail the 17 on

04:17:36.959 --> 04:17:39.200
Thursday so the meeting is duly

04:17:39.280 --> 04:17:42.280
adjourned

04:17:43.120 --> 04:17:46.360
and yes yes it's allall in there it's

04:17:46.440 --> 04:17:49.440
not