WEBVTT 00:00:01.080 --> 00:00:04.839 it's 5:30 so we will open the ordinary 00:00:04.919 --> 00:00:09.039 meeting of Tuesday the 12th of November 00:00:09.119 --> 00:00:12.599 2024 but first I'll make an announcement 00:00:12.679 --> 00:00:14.599 the proceedings of this meeting 00:00:14.679 --> 00:00:17.199 including presentations deputations and 00:00:17.280 --> 00:00:20.359 debate will be webcast recorded and made 00:00:20.440 --> 00:00:22.920 available on the council's website under 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:24.879 the provisions of the code of meeting 00:00:24.960 --> 00:00:27.440 practice our code of meeting practice 00:00:27.519 --> 00:00:30.519 states it is not the intention of live 00:00:30.600 --> 00:00:33.960 streaming recording or publishing to 00:00:34.039 --> 00:00:35.719 capture those attending the meeting in 00:00:35.799 --> 00:00:38.479 the gallery however this may occur due 00:00:38.560 --> 00:00:41.640 to the camera angles and setting 00:00:41.719 --> 00:00:44.000 arrangements by attending this meeting 00:00:44.079 --> 00:00:46.479 you are consenting to your image voice 00:00:46.560 --> 00:00:49.840 or comments being webcast recorded and 00:00:49.920 --> 00:00:51.679 should refrain from making any 00:00:51.759 --> 00:00:54.880 defamatory statements your attendance at 00:00:54.960 --> 00:00:57.719 this meeting is taken as consent to the 00:00:57.799 --> 00:01:01.039 possibility of your image and or voice 00:01:01.119 --> 00:01:03.799 may be recorded and broadcasted to the 00:01:03.880 --> 00:01:06.239 public under the code of meeting 00:01:06.319 --> 00:01:08.439 practice I would like to remind our 00:01:08.519 --> 00:01:12.000 counselors joining remotely of section 00:01:12.079 --> 00:01:14.879 5.2 being a counselor must give their 00:01:14.959 --> 00:01:17.079 full attention to the business and 00:01:17.159 --> 00:01:19.120 proceedings of the meeting when 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:21.239 attending the meeting by Audio Visual 00:01:21.319 --> 00:01:24.239 link the counselor's camera must be on 00:01:24.319 --> 00:01:27.120 at all times during the meeting except 00:01:27.200 --> 00:01:29.359 when they may otherwise provided under 00:01:29.439 --> 00:01:32.959 this code thank you 00:01:34.680 --> 00:01:37.920 so we'll do the acknowledgement 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:42.239 to Country so Walawaani Shoalhaven City Council 00:01:42.319 --> 00:01:45.439 recognizes the first people of the 00:01:45.519 --> 00:01:47.640 Shoalhaven and their ongoing connection to 00:01:47.719 --> 00:01:50.359 culture and Country we acknowledge 00:01:50.439 --> 00:01:52.760 Aboriginal people as the traditional 00:01:52.840 --> 00:01:56.680 owners custodians and lawkeepers of 00:01:56.760 --> 00:01:59.439 the world's oldest living culture and 00:01:59.519 --> 00:02:02.920 pay respects to Elders past present and 00:02:03.000 --> 00:02:05.239 emerging so now we'll have a minute 00:02:05.319 --> 00:02:08.520 of silence as a 00:02:28.840 --> 00:02:32.879 reflection 00:03:14.800 --> 00:03:17.039 thank you we'll now move on to the 00:03:17.120 --> 00:03:21.319 Australian National Anthem 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:42.080 [Music] 00:03:42.159 --> 00:03:47.520 Australians all let us rejoice 00:03:47.599 --> 00:03:48.840 for we are one and free 00:03:48.919 --> 00:03:55.960 with golden soil and wealth for toil 00:03:56.039 --> 00:03:59.840 our home is girt by sea 00:03:59.919 --> 00:04:04.680 our land abounds with nature's gifts 00:04:04.759 --> 00:04:06.560 of beauty rich and rare 00:04:06.639 --> 00:04:13.759 in history's page let every stage 00:04:13.840 --> 00:04:15.439 Advance Australia Fair 00:04:15.520 --> 00:04:21.120 in joyful strains then let us sing 00:04:21.199 --> 00:04:23.079 Advance Australia Fair 00:04:23.160 --> 00:04:28.680 00:04:28.759 --> 00:04:35.519 00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:38.519 thank you please be 00:04:41.519 --> 00:04:46.360 seated so I note councelor 00:04:46.439 --> 00:04:49.079 Johnston is on the screen on teams in 00:04:49.160 --> 00:04:51.879 from teams is so that means all 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:53.879 counselors are here do we have any 00:04:53.959 --> 00:04:56.000 leaves of 00:04:56.079 --> 00:04:58.839 absence no leaves of absence fine we'll 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:01.160 move on to confirmation of minutes so 00:05:01.240 --> 00:05:02.639 we've got the minutes of the ordinary 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:04.959 meeting 28th of October 2024 00:05:05.040 --> 00:05:08.319 and the extraordinary meeting the 00:05:08.399 --> 00:05:10.879 5th of November 2024 00:05:10.959 --> 00:05:14.240 so could I have somebody move 00:05:14.319 --> 00:05:16.399 those please so moved by councelor 00:05:16.480 --> 00:05:18.839 Wilkins second by councelor Cox 00:05:18.920 --> 00:05:20.959 there's no dispute I'll declare them 00:05:21.040 --> 00:05:25.000 carried Declarations of 00:05:25.079 --> 00:05:28.279 Interest any Declarations of Interest 00:05:28.360 --> 00:05:32.279 tonight no to move that on then we'll 00:05:32.360 --> 00:05:35.879 move on to any presentations of 00:05:35.959 --> 00:05:38.720 petitions no 00:05:38.800 --> 00:05:41.680 petitions no all right we'll keep moving 00:05:41.759 --> 00:05:46.399 on so we have and I'm sorry to do 00:05:46.480 --> 00:05:49.199 this we have a matter of urgency that we 00:05:49.279 --> 00:05:53.879 need to deal with as counselors and I 00:05:53.959 --> 00:05:59.399 need to ask the gallery if we can 00:05:59.480 --> 00:06:02.279 move into confidential as 00:06:02.360 --> 00:06:05.879 counselors and the reason that we 00:06:05.959 --> 00:06:10.040 need to move into confidential is that I 00:06:10.120 --> 00:06:12.720 wish to advise the council that the CEO 00:06:12.800 --> 00:06:15.600 of Shoalhaven City Council has resigned 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:18.319 effectively today the 12th of 00:06:18.399 --> 00:06:21.800 November 00:06:21.879 --> 00:06:24.560 under Section 3361 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:26.879 The Local Government Act the 00:06:26.959 --> 00:06:28.519 council is required to immediately 00:06:28.600 --> 00:06:32.279 appoint an acting CEO to act in the 00:06:32.360 --> 00:06:35.519 vacant position of the CEO I move that 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:37.720 Council urgently consider the 00:06:37.800 --> 00:06:40.399 appointment of acting ceo in closed session 00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:42.879 in accordance with Section 00:06:42.959 --> 00:06:47.600 3361 and section 1082 of the Local 00:06:47.680 --> 00:06:49.480 Government Act I'm happy to move that do 00:06:49.560 --> 00:06:50.600 I have a 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:53.399 second Council Proudfoot 00:06:53.480 --> 00:06:56.040 for I was going to move a procedural 00:06:56.120 --> 00:06:58.279 motion Madam chair that we go into 00:06:58.360 --> 00:07:00.439 confidential session 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:04.879 I move that way thank you so I declare 00:07:04.959 --> 00:07:08.399 that the item is to be urgent and and 00:07:08.480 --> 00:07:11.000 I've got the motion to move into 00:07:11.079 --> 00:07:13.240 confidential second do I have a 00:07:13.319 --> 00:07:17.360 seconder councelor Wilkins thank you so 00:07:17.439 --> 00:07:19.399 prior to going into confidential session 00:07:19.480 --> 00:07:21.399 are there any representations from the 00:07:21.480 --> 00:07:24.680 public on the proposed closure of the 00:07:24.759 --> 00:07:26.879 meeting can I have it noted that I'm 00:07:26.959 --> 00:07:28.199 against going into 00:07:28.279 --> 00:07:30.879 confidential we can have you noted 00:07:30.959 --> 00:07:33.160 so you're voting against 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:37.560 the procedural motion yep thank you 00:07:37.639 --> 00:07:40.040 all right so I now need to ask all of 00:07:40.120 --> 00:07:44.279 the people to leave the room including 00:07:46.399 --> 00:07:49.600 staff so during confidential 00:07:49.680 --> 00:07:54.040 session Council made the following 00:07:57.480 --> 00:08:00.920 resolution waiting for the yep 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:04.240 sorry it's 00:08:06.839 --> 00:08:11.000 all it is now it is now thank you so 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:13.480 during confidential session of Council 00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:17.399 made the following resolution 00:08:17.480 --> 00:08:21.000 one Council appoint Mr James ? into 00:08:21.079 --> 00:08:23.240 the position of acting CEO for a period 00:08:23.319 --> 00:08:25.800 of commencing from now until the 31st of 00:08:25.879 --> 00:08:29.519 July 2025 or such time as a permanent 00:08:29.600 --> 00:08:32.799 CEO is appointed point two the acting 00:08:32.879 --> 00:08:34.720 CEO be provided with the same 00:08:34.799 --> 00:08:37.039 delegations authorities and powers 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:39.720 provided to the previous CEO by 00:08:39.799 --> 00:08:43.480 resolution on the 14th of October 2024 00:08:43.559 --> 00:08:46.039 min24525 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:49.000 point three the mayor determines 00:08:49.080 --> 00:08:50.960 the appropriate remuneration to be 00:08:51.039 --> 00:08:53.240 provided to the acting 00:08:53.320 --> 00:08:57.559 CEO so that was in the closed 00:08:57.639 --> 00:09:00.399 confidential session we that was what 00:09:00.480 --> 00:09:03.360 came through so we'll move on with 00:09:03.440 --> 00:09:06.960 the meeting but first of all Mr ? 00:09:07.039 --> 00:09:08.320 would you like to come and join at the 00:09:08.399 --> 00:09:11.720 front table 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:19.480 00:09:43.559 --> 00:09:46.120 right so we'll move on with the meeting 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:49.679 we're up to the Mayoral minute so I 00:09:49.759 --> 00:09:52.559 have an urgency Mayoral minute that I 00:09:52.639 --> 00:09:54.240 will be introducing off the floor of 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:57.039 Council in relation to Ulladulla Harbour 00:09:57.120 --> 00:09:59.519 there is also a deputation on Ulladulla 00:09:59.600 --> 00:10:03.480 Harbour so I would be moving a 00:10:03.559 --> 00:10:06.120 procedural motion to move the Mayoral 00:10:06.200 --> 00:10:09.440 minute to point nine and the deputations 00:10:09.519 --> 00:10:12.399 to point 8 if I can have a seconder 00:10:12.480 --> 00:10:15.799 seconded by councelor Dunn so I'll 00:10:15.879 --> 00:10:19.360 call for the deputations councelor 00:10:19.440 --> 00:10:22.480 Proudfoot yes thank you madam chair 00:10:22.559 --> 00:10:24.120 in addition to that and I do seek the 00:10:24.200 --> 00:10:26.039 Indulgence of my fellow 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:29.360 counselors Mr Rodney Carpenter and Mr 00:10:29.440 --> 00:10:32.279 Bob True came along tonight not fully 00:10:32.360 --> 00:10:34.960 aware of the deputation process and 00:10:35.039 --> 00:10:37.360 they've arrived here to do a 00:10:37.440 --> 00:10:42.039 deputation on on item CL 00:10:42.120 --> 00:10:44.440 24347 notice of motion caring for 00:10:44.519 --> 00:10:47.799 indigenous culture pilot program so so I 00:10:47.879 --> 00:10:50.039 would move that we allow the two 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:53.000 gentlemen to do a deputation on that 00:10:53.080 --> 00:10:55.799 particular item and I seek the 00:10:55.879 --> 00:10:57.399 indulgence of my fellow counselors in 00:10:57.480 --> 00:10:59.559 that regard 00:10:59.639 --> 00:11:01.919 can I have a second please councilor 00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:05.159 Wilkins is there any descent from 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:07.360 allowing an extra deputation tonight 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:10.240 from Mr Rodney Carpenter in relation 00:11:10.320 --> 00:11:14.039 to the item and Mr Bob True 00:11:14.120 --> 00:11:16.720 that they they'll split the time 00:11:16.799 --> 00:11:19.879 yep no objection so we'll add that into 00:11:19.960 --> 00:11:22.240 the deputation thank you councilors so 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:24.679 our first deputation is from Mr Andrew 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:27.240 Taylor wishes to address the meeting to 00:11:27.320 --> 00:11:30.440 speak for the recommendation see 00:11:30.519 --> 00:11:33.440 24300 SF 00:11:33.519 --> 00:11:40.440 10987 33 Forest Road Kioloa Lot 5 00:11:40.519 --> 00:11:42.840 dp1280813 and you'll remember this was at 00:11:42.919 --> 00:11:45.200 the last council meeting would you 00:11:45.279 --> 00:11:48.840 like to come down 00:11:59.360 --> 00:12:02.279 so Mr Taylor you have five minutes thank 00:12:02.360 --> 00:12:03.080 you 00:12:03.159 --> 00:12:06.039 you evening Madam mayor and counselors 00:12:06.120 --> 00:12:07.799 my name is Andrew Taylor and I'm one 00:12:07.879 --> 00:12:10.480 of the owners of 33 Forest Road Kioloa I 00:12:10.559 --> 00:12:12.799 am speak on behalf of my wife and 00:12:12.879 --> 00:12:15.639 brother-in-law who are part own sorry 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:17.519 who are also part owners in the matter 00:12:17.600 --> 00:12:19.039 of our development application currently 00:12:19.120 --> 00:12:19.799 under 00:12:19.879 --> 00:12:21.480 consideration you have heard from my 00:12:21.559 --> 00:12:23.600 brother-in-law Dave Trell at the last 00:12:23.679 --> 00:12:25.159 ordinary meeting and subsequent 00:12:25.240 --> 00:12:27.440 counselor briefings in in further 00:12:27.519 --> 00:12:29.399 clarifying your questions however I 00:12:29.480 --> 00:12:31.000 don't think his deputation two weeks ago 00:12:31.080 --> 00:12:32.919 explained that we are not out of town 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:35.120 greedy developers who know nothing about 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:37.240 Kioloa instead I've always considered 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:39.200 myself a member of the this community 00:12:39.279 --> 00:12:41.399 given my long running history here ever 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:43.720 since I was a toddler I visited the Bawley 00:12:43.799 --> 00:12:45.960 Kioloa area from staying at Mary Beach 00:12:46.039 --> 00:12:48.919 Caravan Park holidaying throughout my 00:12:49.000 --> 00:12:50.279 primary and high school years with 00:12:50.360 --> 00:12:52.440 friends whose parents lived in Bawley 00:12:52.519 --> 00:12:55.720 Point to now being a Kioloa homeowner for 00:12:55.799 --> 00:12:57.480 five years and spending time here with 00:12:57.559 --> 00:12:59.480 my wife and and children and our 00:12:59.559 --> 00:13:02.000 property I've made memories here and 00:13:02.080 --> 00:13:03.480 will continue to do so for the rest of 00:13:03.559 --> 00:13:06.080 my life I'm not a developer I am a 00:13:06.159 --> 00:13:08.440 person who has invested in land that has 00:13:08.519 --> 00:13:10.080 potential to provide more housing to the 00:13:10.159 --> 00:13:12.000 local area whilst also planning to 00:13:12.080 --> 00:13:14.360 retain blocks to build a place to 00:13:14.440 --> 00:13:15.960 continue making memories for my family 00:13:16.039 --> 00:13:18.840 and loved ones we love the baly and 00:13:18.919 --> 00:13:20.919 Kioloa community and I plan to make it my 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:23.480 home in years to come we are not here to 00:13:23.559 --> 00:13:25.919 exploit that my goal here this evening 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:28.240 is to help dispel any remaining concern 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:30.039 about our development application you 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:32.360 have all been briefed on the details and 00:13:32.440 --> 00:13:33.519 understand that council's own 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:35.240 development assessment team has 00:13:35.320 --> 00:13:37.720 recommended the application for approval 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:39.519 our team of excellent consultants some 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:41.320 of the best in New South Wales have been 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:43.279 working with council's engineers 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:45.679 throughout the process to provide all 00:13:45.759 --> 00:13:48.320 evidence this subdivision meets all 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:50.799 criteria for approval this includes all 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:53.480 ground testing required I can confirm 00:13:53.559 --> 00:13:55.279 there is no need for any additional 00:13:55.360 --> 00:13:57.519 testing for any of the proposed effluent 00:13:57.600 --> 00:14:00.399 systems since last ordinary meeting we 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:03.200 have worked with James ? and his team 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:04.919 to make the necessary concessions to 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:07.919 eliminate what seemed somewhat unclear 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:11.360 these are as follows number one recent 00:14:11.440 --> 00:14:13.240 changes to the plans mean there is no 00:14:13.320 --> 00:14:15.240 longer a need for any deferred 00:14:15.320 --> 00:14:18.159 commencements number two apz we have 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:22.120 amended all plans to show the new apz 6m 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:24.519 clearance from the Basin which has been 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:26.879 approved by the rural fire service 00:14:26.960 --> 00:14:29.879 number three to eliminate the concerns 00:14:29.960 --> 00:14:32.080 on lot sizes on blocks with mounted 00:14:32.159 --> 00:14:34.919 effluent areas we have Consolidated it 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:40.159 into 17 Lots not 20 by increasing Lots 6 00:14:40.240 --> 00:14:45.039 to 17 to over 25,000 square metre Lots 1 and 00:14:45.120 --> 00:14:48.120 1:5 will remain smaller Lots still over 00:14:48.200 --> 00:14:50.799 1500 square metre and using the same 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:52.879 absorption method which is tried and 00:14:52.960 --> 00:14:55.279 tested system that is currently working 00:14:55.360 --> 00:14:59.879 on the smaller 1,000 sq metre sight 00:14:59.960 --> 00:15:02.399 in the fallot subdivision to the 00:15:02.480 --> 00:15:05.559 West approved by Council two years 00:15:05.639 --> 00:15:07.840 ago this is an amendment plan that we 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:10.559 submitted last week my understanding is 00:15:10.639 --> 00:15:12.960 that we have now clarified all council's 00:15:13.039 --> 00:15:14.679 concerns and we have made the 00:15:14.759 --> 00:15:16.960 appropriate concessions to suit the 00:15:17.039 --> 00:15:18.559 discussion in the last ordinary meeting 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:20.519 and in subsequent brief briefings 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:22.919 mentioned septic pp outs we have 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:24.320 always been on the belief that this is 00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:26.759 currently not a council policy to allow 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:29.639 new ppout systems however if Council 00:15:29.720 --> 00:15:32.480 wish to add this add pp outs as a 00:15:32.559 --> 00:15:34.519 septic as an option for the development 00:15:34.600 --> 00:15:36.600 approval we are open to this but this is 00:15:36.679 --> 00:15:38.480 not a system that we have suggested in 00:15:38.559 --> 00:15:40.919 the reports we are here to work with 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:42.799 Council and we have made the necessary 00:15:42.879 --> 00:15:44.559 changes even though prior to these 00:15:44.639 --> 00:15:46.919 concessions it had been recommended for 00:15:47.000 --> 00:15:49.039 approval by council's own development 00:15:49.120 --> 00:15:51.240 assessment team I implore you in the 00:15:51.320 --> 00:15:53.120 light of all the Amendments that we have 00:15:53.200 --> 00:15:55.639 made in the last two weeks to accept the 00:15:55.720 --> 00:15:57.399 advice of council's team and recommend 00:15:57.480 --> 00:15:59.159 this for approval without any further 00:15:59.240 --> 00:16:01.840 deferment our last letter from David tur 00:16:01.919 --> 00:16:04.759 this week provides our suggestions of 00:16:04.840 --> 00:16:07.240 litigation if refused but I hope it 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:09.559 doesn't come to that given their 00:16:09.639 --> 00:16:11.440 proactive approach with Council over the 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:14.039 past two weeks I also wanted to thank 00:16:14.120 --> 00:16:16.519 baly Point Kioloa ter Community 00:16:16.600 --> 00:16:20.440 Association on their recent update email 00:16:20.519 --> 00:16:22.639 complementing our concessions in the 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:25.440 reduction of of lots and the increased 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:27.960 block sizes I trust that these proactive 00:16:28.039 --> 00:16:29.440 changes provide Assurance to the 00:16:29.519 --> 00:16:32.559 councelor councilors and Madame mayor to 00:16:32.639 --> 00:16:34.799 endorse council's own recommendations to 00:16:34.879 --> 00:16:36.919 approve our development application 00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:39.080 bringing much needed housing to the 00:16:39.159 --> 00:16:42.320 Shell Haven area work for local trades 00:16:42.399 --> 00:16:44.279 additional rates and delivering more 00:16:44.360 --> 00:16:46.360 services to the local community I 00:16:46.440 --> 00:16:49.159 appreciate your time today thank you 00:16:49.240 --> 00:16:54.000 thank you is there any questions from 00:16:54.080 --> 00:16:57.200 counselors no questions thank you for 00:16:57.279 --> 00:17:00.200 your deputation thank you thank you so 00:17:00.279 --> 00:17:03.799 I'll Now call on Alex from the game 00:17:03.879 --> 00:17:06.799 fishing club from alad dala to come down 00:17:06.880 --> 00:17:09.519 and speak to the procedural motion 00:17:09.599 --> 00:17:11.119 that we'll have which is the Mayoral 00:17:11.200 --> 00:17:16.279 minute in relation to alala 00:17:22.319 --> 00:17:25.079 Harbor good evening my name is Alex a 00:17:25.160 --> 00:17:27.480 resident of ala and vice president of 00:17:27.559 --> 00:17:30.200 the Ala game Fishing Club 00:17:30.279 --> 00:17:33.400 honorable mayor Patricia white estain 00:17:33.480 --> 00:17:35.440 counselors and distinguished guests 00:17:35.519 --> 00:17:37.400 thank you for the opportunity to address 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:39.680 you today on short notice and for the 00:17:39.759 --> 00:17:41.200 chance to present the views of the 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:43.400 community I also wish to acknowledge and 00:17:43.480 --> 00:17:46.000 respect the protocols of this 00:17:46.079 --> 00:17:48.000 Council I would like to begin by 00:17:48.079 --> 00:17:49.480 recognizing the efforts of our state 00:17:49.559 --> 00:17:52.519 member Liza B for securing funding for 00:17:52.599 --> 00:17:54.920 the future upgrade of the alala boat 00:17:55.000 --> 00:17:57.359 ramp as well as the proposed future 00:17:57.440 --> 00:17:59.039 plans 00:17:59.119 --> 00:18:00.759 this is a significant step forward for 00:18:00.839 --> 00:18:03.720 our region and we are grateful for her 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:06.200 support I would also like to express 00:18:06.279 --> 00:18:08.559 appreciation to the mayor for attending 00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:10.240 the community meeting on Sunday where 00:18:10.319 --> 00:18:11.720 she took the time to engage with 00:18:11.799 --> 00:18:13.680 residents about their concerns and work 00:18:13.759 --> 00:18:16.440 towards a resolution additionally thanks 00:18:16.519 --> 00:18:19.359 are due to councelors Dan clany and 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:21.759 Casmir for their constructive presence 00:18:21.839 --> 00:18:24.519 and commitment to pursuing a calm and 00:18:24.599 --> 00:18:28.400 practical resolution to this matter the 00:18:28.480 --> 00:18:29.319 community 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:31.839 has long relied on the existing boat 00:18:31.920 --> 00:18:34.319 ramp with many having used it for 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:36.880 decades at the meeting a report from the 00:18:36.960 --> 00:18:39.839 mayor was presented and examined and 00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:41.680 comments were shared with the councilors 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:44.279 regarding some inconsistencies within 00:18:44.359 --> 00:18:47.680 the report provided by Council staff the 00:18:47.759 --> 00:18:50.279 general consensus was that the bo ramp 00:18:50.359 --> 00:18:53.440 requires basic repairs and maintenance 00:18:53.519 --> 00:18:55.880 and the community is willing to assist 00:18:55.960 --> 00:18:56.920 with these 00:18:57.000 --> 00:18:58.920 efforts understanding the current 00:18:59.000 --> 00:19:01.559 financial position of the 00:19:01.640 --> 00:19:04.279 council minor works such as repairing 00:19:04.359 --> 00:19:06.880 loose fendors were identified as a 00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:10.480 straightforward and coste effective fix 00:19:10.559 --> 00:19:13.640 furthermore the Pontoon condition was 00:19:13.720 --> 00:19:16.079 found to be sound with no visible 00:19:16.160 --> 00:19:18.559 repairs necessary and its structural 00:19:18.640 --> 00:19:21.079 Integrity appears to be consistent with 00:19:21.160 --> 00:19:24.880 the facility's age another key Point 00:19:24.960 --> 00:19:27.440 discussed was the installation of Sonage 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:30.799 to raise awareness of potential risks 00:19:30.880 --> 00:19:33.839 particularly around low tides signage 00:19:33.920 --> 00:19:36.680 that cautions users of these risks as 00:19:36.759 --> 00:19:39.640 well as clearing clearly marking the r 00:19:39.720 --> 00:19:42.519 ramp's end would improve 00:19:42.599 --> 00:19:46.039 safety this has 00:19:47.119 --> 00:19:49.720 been successfully implemented in other 00:19:49.799 --> 00:19:51.759 parts of the Sha Haven and similar 00:19:51.839 --> 00:19:54.240 measures would be highly effective here 00:19:54.319 --> 00:19:56.000 in addition the community is committed 00:19:56.079 --> 00:19:57.599 to ensuring that voters are well 00:19:57.680 --> 00:19:59.960 informed about any changes and Ne and 00:20:00.039 --> 00:20:02.880 safety considerations the alala game 00:20:02.960 --> 00:20:04.480 fishing club will use its online 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:06.680 presence to notify members and encourage 00:20:06.759 --> 00:20:09.119 them to share the information widely we 00:20:09.200 --> 00:20:11.160 will also ensure that participants in 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:14.319 upcoming events such as a JS tournament 00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:17.200 which attracts up to 100 vessels are 00:20:17.279 --> 00:20:19.519 proper are properly briefed on safety 00:20:19.599 --> 00:20:21.759 measures and any updates regarding the 00:20:21.839 --> 00:20:25.200 boat ramp the impact of the boat the 00:20:25.279 --> 00:20:28.079 boat ramp's closure on the local economy 00:20:28.160 --> 00:20:30.839 was also a significant concern raised by 00:20:30.920 --> 00:20:33.640 local business business operators the 00:20:33.720 --> 00:20:36.920 presence of an Open Boat Ramp provide 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:38.799 strong benefits to the community 00:20:38.880 --> 00:20:41.279 especially in terms of Tourism and local 00:20:41.359 --> 00:20:43.440 business some of the key benefits 00:20:43.519 --> 00:20:46.519 include increase tourism traffic boost 00:20:46.599 --> 00:20:49.440 to local Hospitality tackle stores and 00:20:49.519 --> 00:20:51.960 amenity stores support for fuel and 00:20:52.039 --> 00:20:55.279 grocery businesses alike these factors 00:20:55.359 --> 00:20:57.839 contribute directly to the viability of 00:20:57.920 --> 00:20:59.920 local business buiness especially during 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:02.279 the peak smer season as council is 00:21:02.359 --> 00:21:04.799 aware it is vital to keep businesses 00:21:04.880 --> 00:21:07.759 financially sustainable particularly 00:21:07.839 --> 00:21:09.920 particularly in the light of recent 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:13.079 economic challenges taking all this into 00:21:13.160 --> 00:21:15.599 consideration is yet it is our belief 00:21:15.680 --> 00:21:17.519 that the benefits of reopening the baat 00:21:17.599 --> 00:21:20.400 ramp far out rais the risks outlined by 00:21:20.480 --> 00:21:22.759 the council the community strongly 00:21:22.839 --> 00:21:24.720 request that the council take Swift 00:21:24.799 --> 00:21:27.000 action to reopen the ramp before the 00:21:27.079 --> 00:21:29.359 smer break this will help prevent 00:21:29.440 --> 00:21:32.200 visitors from seeking alternative 00:21:32.279 --> 00:21:34.440 destinations ensuring that alad dala 00:21:34.519 --> 00:21:36.200 remains a valuable and attractive 00:21:36.279 --> 00:21:38.799 location for 00:21:38.880 --> 00:21:41.960 tourists in closing today I urge the 00:21:42.039 --> 00:21:44.640 council to take decisive action on these 00:21:44.720 --> 00:21:47.319 matters the situation surrounding the 00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:49.759 boat ramp is an opportunity to create 00:21:49.839 --> 00:21:52.119 positive change for this reg Regional 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:54.759 Town one with tremendous 00:21:54.839 --> 00:21:57.480 potential let us use this Focus to drive 00:21:57.559 --> 00:21:59.480 the growth and develop that alad dala 00:21:59.559 --> 00:22:01.559 and its surrounding communities so 00:22:01.640 --> 00:22:03.759 richly deserve thank you for your time 00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:04.920 and 00:22:05.000 --> 00:22:08.200 consideration thank 00:22:08.680 --> 00:22:12.319 you is there any 00:22:12.880 --> 00:22:15.640 questions no one has any questions 00:22:15.720 --> 00:22:17.960 that's fine thank you thank you thank 00:22:18.039 --> 00:22:20.960 you and our last reputation will be Mr 00:22:21.039 --> 00:22:23.960 Rodney Carpenter and Mr Bob true and 00:22:24.039 --> 00:22:26.400 they're going to speak to us in relation 00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:30.880 to the notice of motion CL 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:33.440 24247 notice of motion caring for 00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:37.119 indigenous culture pilot program and 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:39.400 it's on page two so just come forward 00:22:39.480 --> 00:22:42.720 over here thank 00:22:48.839 --> 00:22:52.039 you thank you madam thank you Madame 00:22:52.119 --> 00:22:54.200 mayor and counselors for the opportunity 00:22:54.279 --> 00:22:56.640 to talk to you about my passion and 00:22:56.720 --> 00:22:58.920 concern for our people's culture 00:22:59.000 --> 00:23:00.039 and 00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:02.480 preservation cic is a non-for-profit 00:23:02.559 --> 00:23:05.720 ainal company established to facilitate 00:23:05.799 --> 00:23:07.920 and capture and care of indigenous 00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:10.680 cultures across Australia we must hand 00:23:10.759 --> 00:23:12.599 our knowledge and culture down to the 00:23:12.680 --> 00:23:13.599 next 00:23:13.680 --> 00:23:16.640 Generations this project will ensure we 00:23:16.720 --> 00:23:18.759 capture and preserve our cultural 00:23:18.839 --> 00:23:21.640 heritage in a secure public accessible 00:23:21.720 --> 00:23:24.680 database for our people Educators our 00:23:24.759 --> 00:23:27.680 indigenous Rangers and mentors to pass 00:23:27.759 --> 00:23:30.680 on this is a great opportunity to create 00:23:30.759 --> 00:23:33.359 employment through within our indigenous 00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:37.359 communities docenting public and 00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:39.599 significant sites and stories to 00:23:39.680 --> 00:23:43.000 share with the utmost respect for our 00:23:43.079 --> 00:23:45.799 people's culture traditions and beliefs 00:23:45.880 --> 00:23:49.359 we need to share our culture with all so 00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:51.480 they can learn appreciate and understand 00:23:51.559 --> 00:23:54.480 our people better we all need to care 00:23:54.559 --> 00:23:57.640 and look after our country we have 6,000 00:23:57.720 --> 00:23:59.759 plus years of knowledge to share with 00:23:59.839 --> 00:24:02.119 the community that will result in a 00:24:02.200 --> 00:24:05.400 better understanding in what indigenous 00:24:05.480 --> 00:24:08.079 people have over the years done to look 00:24:08.160 --> 00:24:09.200 after this 00:24:09.279 --> 00:24:12.720 country we are fast losing our people's 00:24:12.799 --> 00:24:16.480 native language we most we must capture 00:24:16.559 --> 00:24:19.039 these languages so they can be passed on 00:24:19.119 --> 00:24:20.720 to Future 00:24:20.799 --> 00:24:23.359 Generations by describing cultural sites 00:24:23.440 --> 00:24:25.359 and telling our stories in the people's 00:24:25.440 --> 00:24:28.400 language working together as one we can 00:24:28.480 --> 00:24:30.240 get a better understanding of what 00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:32.240 indigenous people are all 00:24:32.319 --> 00:24:35.519 about CAPIC will achieve this by 00:24:35.599 --> 00:24:37.799 docenting and preserving our culture 00:24:37.880 --> 00:24:40.359 in a secure 00:24:40.440 --> 00:24:42.680 database capturing and preserving our 00:24:42.759 --> 00:24:45.240 culture not just for our people but for 00:24:45.319 --> 00:24:47.599 everyone in Australia and overseas 00:24:47.680 --> 00:24:49.799 promoting our country's beautiful 00:24:49.880 --> 00:24:51.519 coastlines and other areas across 00:24:51.599 --> 00:24:54.599 Australia and the Tate Islands this all 00:24:54.680 --> 00:24:56.920 play part in capturing our C let's all 00:24:57.000 --> 00:24:58.799 play part in capturing our cultures 00:24:58.880 --> 00:25:02.279 Beauty and culture cic is seeking your 00:25:02.359 --> 00:25:05.400 support we are not asking for money we 00:25:05.480 --> 00:25:07.599 need the support of the shalan council 00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:09.640 in the roll out of this project thank 00:25:09.720 --> 00:25:13.119 you Madame mayor thank 00:25:13.640 --> 00:25:15.319 you 00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:18.319 thanks thanks Madam mayor thanks for 00:25:18.400 --> 00:25:20.640 bringing this up tonight I've been 00:25:20.720 --> 00:25:23.599 working with Rod now for about 6 months 00:25:23.680 --> 00:25:25.960 in how we can breast bring aigal culture 00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:29.079 to the four and turn aigal culture 00:25:29.160 --> 00:25:30.759 into tourism 00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:34.720 business I traveled around Australia 00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:38.440 was a gr Nomad you see and I got 00:25:38.519 --> 00:25:41.240 totally frustrated I spent more time in 00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:44.480 tourist information centers Gathering 00:25:44.559 --> 00:25:47.720 brochers but not seeing the 00:25:47.799 --> 00:25:51.160 country out of frustration my company 00:25:51.240 --> 00:25:56.079 built a system called viz guide Vis 00:25:56.160 --> 00:25:58.799 guide is totally opposite to Google 00:25:58.880 --> 00:26:01.119 anything like that if you tell it where 00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:03.359 you want to go it'll tell you what's 00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:05.720 there so if you want to come to the sh 00:26:05.799 --> 00:26:09.480 Haven and you point to Nara it'll tell 00:26:09.559 --> 00:26:15.079 you all the restaurants all the 00:26:15.160 --> 00:26:18.200 accomodation attractions so basically it 00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:19.480 says where you can eat where you can 00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:22.319 sleep what to see and what can I do when 00:26:22.400 --> 00:26:27.240 I'm in narrow within 5 km 10 km or 15 km 00:26:27.319 --> 00:26:29.240 so you don't have to go searching it'll 00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:32.079 tell you where to go we've now added the 00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:34.640 cultural database to it the cultural 00:26:34.720 --> 00:26:37.119 database is really about trying to 00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:39.559 capture the culture across 00:26:39.640 --> 00:26:43.640 Australia we've implemented a structure 00:26:43.720 --> 00:26:47.400 of of of a spatial database so every 00:26:47.480 --> 00:26:49.359 listing in the system has got a 00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:51.960 coordinate the beauty about that is also 00:26:52.039 --> 00:26:55.200 generates a local government area so we 00:26:55.279 --> 00:26:59.799 know every listing local LGA 00:26:59.880 --> 00:27:02.079 the beauty about that is we can now 00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:05.839 produce your whats on in in this area 00:27:05.920 --> 00:27:09.160 without you ever editing any data it's 00:27:09.240 --> 00:27:12.160 Dynamic and it happens instantly it's 00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:13.839 not a site where you sit there and wait 00:27:13.920 --> 00:27:15.440 for things to be 00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:18.039 indexed the capturing of culture is a is 00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:21.599 a large task so what we've added is a 00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:25.200 facility for school children to go and 00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:28.720 work with mentors their teachers to 00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:30.359 actually research and docent and 00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:32.839 publish this information the beauty 00:27:32.920 --> 00:27:35.039 about that is is when the kid hands it 00:27:35.119 --> 00:27:38.799 his report at the end of his essay at 00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:41.359 the end the teacher looks at now just 00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:44.759 puts a mark up the top good job Johnny 00:27:44.839 --> 00:27:47.119 now it's actually published within the 00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:49.559 in the database and the mentor the 00:27:49.640 --> 00:27:51.519 teacher and the students get 00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:53.799 recommendation so in 5 years time when 00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:56.000 that kid goes for a job and the boss 00:27:56.079 --> 00:27:58.599 says what what's your claim to fame 00:27:58.680 --> 00:28:00.759 he can turn up for his guide I just 00:28:00.839 --> 00:28:02.559 excuse for can I have an extension of 00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:05.039 time please so moved by councelor Cox 00:28:05.119 --> 00:28:07.440 seconded by councelor Kazmir all those 00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:10.039 in favor anyone against I that carried 00:28:10.119 --> 00:28:14.440 sorry keep going sorry okay 00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:17.319 procedure so yeah so the kid now has the 00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:19.160 ability to go to his future employee and 00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:21.000 say this is what I've done but more 00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:22.880 importantly can go home to Mom and say 00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:27.440 look at this mom how I great 00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:31.720 if you tell VI Guy where you want to 00:28:31.799 --> 00:28:35.440 go it'll tell you where to go it'll tell 00:28:35.519 --> 00:28:36.720 you where you can eat where you can 00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:40.559 sleep places to visit events that are 00:28:40.640 --> 00:28:44.519 on in your time frame and within your 00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:47.000 selected area no more searching so you 00:28:47.079 --> 00:28:50.359 can sit at home and and and know where 00:28:50.440 --> 00:28:52.440 you want to do it the other thing it 00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:54.799 adds is for for people like me is 00:28:54.880 --> 00:28:58.599 bookmarks and bucket lists so I've 00:28:58.680 --> 00:29:00.480 I can see I want to go there I've seen a 00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:02.240 sign the other day I was going through 00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:04.240 Husky and there's a sign up Market by 00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:05.519 the time I got the next round about I 00:29:05.599 --> 00:29:08.079 forgot all about it if I could bookmark 00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:10.279 it and it sent me a notification the day 00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:13.920 before then I bound not to miss that 00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:16.960 event if we get cathic right across 00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:19.359 Australia we're looking at 00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:22.440 implementing in 200 councils within the 00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:23.519 next 12 00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:26.480 months this will return somewhere like 00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:28.599 $400,000 a month 00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:30.920 to invest back into the 00:29:31.000 --> 00:29:33.200 community the beauty about this is is 00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:36.519 that if we can fund projects that one 00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:38.200 last week whether it the the fence 00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:42.319 around the dog park why not that it's a 00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:46.839 local organization and it can vot those 00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:49.599 things as Rod said we're not here for 00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:52.200 money we'd like to but I don't think 00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:55.039 we're going to get much we really 00:29:55.119 --> 00:29:57.279 like your support in tring this and 00:29:57.359 --> 00:29:58.519 running a pile 00:29:58.599 --> 00:30:01.039 within the council area we want to 00:30:01.119 --> 00:30:03.240 capture as many businesses as we can so 00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:05.119 we can be ready for Christmas so we can 00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:09.119 give tourists to this area a pleasant 00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:11.640 trip so next week we're going to launch 00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:13.119 sorry this week we're going to launch a 00:30:13.200 --> 00:30:18.000 a cloud funding model along with 00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:20.519 approaches to Major businesses to 00:30:20.599 --> 00:30:23.480 actually fund the the startup Capital we 00:30:23.559 --> 00:30:26.200 thought we guar Harvey normal but they 00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:28.240 got no interest for 12 months three 00:30:28.319 --> 00:30:30.880 years I should 00:30:31.960 --> 00:30:34.160 say Madame May and 00:30:34.240 --> 00:30:37.519 counselor we seek your support in in 00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:40.119 assisting these people to run this pile 00:30:40.200 --> 00:30:40.960 with in your 00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:43.319 area we write the opportunity to meet 00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:45.720 with your tourism group so we can see 00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:48.279 how Cathy can complement your existing 00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:51.279 programs how Kathy can add value to your 00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:53.759 programs and our best to get tourism 00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:57.119 later businesses onto the platform the 00:30:57.200 --> 00:31:00.440 cost of putting your business on the 00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:04.599 platform is $200 I'm sorry $200 a 00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:08.119 year that is a fraction of the cost 00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:10.799 you get you have a web developer and the 00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:12.799 beauty about it is you do it yourself 00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:15.880 you can change this just your site 00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:17.799 overnight one of the most interesting 00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:20.480 things about the product is for motels 00:31:20.559 --> 00:31:21.759 there's nothing worse than coming into 00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:23.559 town not finding a 00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:25.880 vacancy Motel can go ahead and push the 00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:28.440 vacancy sign everything VI gu and anyone 00:31:28.519 --> 00:31:29.960 looking at will see the vacancy come up 00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:32.039 within their car they don't have to 00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:35.359 drive around looking for that vacancy 00:31:35.440 --> 00:31:38.279 sign working together we can showcase 00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:42.319 this Council as an indigenous indigenous 00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:44.680 program and make an example for other 00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:47.279 councils to follow we can grow your 00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:50.039 Aboriginal tourism business support your 00:31:50.119 --> 00:31:53.240 local businesses in attracting 00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:56.519 customers enhance the tourism 00:31:56.599 --> 00:31:59.200 experiences stimulate job creation in 00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:02.599 the area and grow the local community 00:32:02.680 --> 00:32:05.240 economy I should say remember cathic is 00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:08.000 an off not a profit organization with 00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:09.440 all its income 00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:12.319 generated after overheads going into 00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:14.960 worthy projects within the area and 00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:20.480 Kathy is a local company in in sh 00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:24.920 Haven tonight I list your your 00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:27.599 support Rod thanks for that I think 00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:29.240 you enlightened us why we should be 00:32:29.319 --> 00:32:31.920 looking after the culture it's something 00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:35.680 we should as what I call me Johnny come 00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:40.039 lately should be focused 00:32:40.119 --> 00:32:42.559 on you've also listened to me rabbit on 00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:46.240 about how we can do it yes Rod I 00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:48.240 highly support the project and I've been 00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:49.839 working with Rod now for six months to 00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:52.960 make it happen the big question is now 00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:56.960 is do you care I care Rod cares and I 00:32:57.039 --> 00:32:58.960 think our general Comm Community cares 00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:01.200 and if we can build something which 00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:03.640 generates Aboriginal tourism and 00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:05.519 employment in the area I think it'll be 00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:08.400 well commended thanks very much M chair 00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:11.519 thank you is there any 00:33:11.599 --> 00:33:14.039 questions if there's no questions thank 00:33:14.119 --> 00:33:15.519 you for the 00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:18.319 deputation so we'll move on so we'll go 00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:21.839 back to the meral minute and that was 00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:24.000 circulated this afternoon so I'll move 00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:26.640 the Merl minute do I have a seconder for 00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:28.319 the meral minute so 00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:32.640 counselor D has seconded it I'll 00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:34.799 just briefly speak to it so it's 00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:36.720 detailed in the maral minute in the back 00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:39.519 in the details there was a meeting 00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:42.279 down in alad dala on Sunday afternoon in 00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:46.240 relation to the two boat Rams one 00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:48.000 which has been out of order since March 00:33:48.079 --> 00:33:52.200 of this year because there was 00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:53.960 some damage done I believe there was 00:33:54.039 --> 00:33:55.640 some damage done to a boat down there 00:33:55.720 --> 00:34:00.000 from the wolf it's becoming quite 00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:03.000 interesting with the use of that boat 00:34:03.079 --> 00:34:05.240 ramp so there's only one ramp being used 00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:07.079 at the present time that is 00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:09.559 deteriorating quickly as well because of 00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:12.400 the overuse talking to the local 00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:14.719 fishermen and the local community on 00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:18.639 Sunday it's now causing problems on 00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:21.199 to the highway if you know where 00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:23.199 the boat ramp is down on the Harbor it's 00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:25.599 queuing back up Wason street burill 00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:28.320 street and around onto the highway boats 00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:30.760 on Saturday morning like 5 5:30 in the 00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:33.079 morning trying to get down to use the 00:34:33.159 --> 00:34:36.719 boat ramp we do have and I note in 00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:38.840 the here too we do have the boat ramp on 00:34:38.920 --> 00:34:41.480 the North side but the north side boat 00:34:41.559 --> 00:34:44.360 ramp is quite dangerous at sometimes 00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:47.599 when it's being used because of the 00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:50.800 swell that comes in from the ocean those 00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:52.840 of you who have been around for quite a 00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:54.519 while would know that when that boat 00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:56.039 ramp was built it was supposed to be 00:34:56.119 --> 00:34:58.719 built in two stages it was only ever 00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:01.840 completed for stage one stage two was 00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:04.239 to do with a rock wall that was going to 00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:06.360 stop the swell coming in so you get your 00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:08.719 boat on and off it's all right if you've 00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:10.840 got large boats but if you've got 00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:14.360 smaller boats it it is a problem the 00:35:14.440 --> 00:35:16.440 other thing is that there's nowhere to 00:35:16.519 --> 00:35:19.119 tie your boat up there when you you've 00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:20.679 actually got to move your boat around 00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:22.440 onto the warf and then get back to your 00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:26.239 car to get your your trailer off the 00:35:26.320 --> 00:35:29.119 ramp Etc so unless you've got a few 00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:30.880 people going fishing it can be quite 00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:33.679 impractical using the north side I 00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:35.440 will note that complaints about that 00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:37.519 Northside boat ramp has been coming into 00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:39.239 Council as long as I've lived in ol 00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:40.679 dollar and it was 00:35:40.760 --> 00:35:44.360 constructed we are about to ex 00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:46.800 come into Christmas and the Christmas 00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:49.199 period the area down there swirls like 00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:53.840 there's no there's no tomorrow and 00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:55.800 as I've said here over 6 and a half 00:35:55.880 --> 00:35:59.000 th000 votes are using that leaving 00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:02.119 all dollar Harbor during the year the 00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:04.599 closest boat ramps to get out to the 00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:06.719 ocean CU this is direct out into the 00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:09.440 ocean is to the north would be B 00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:12.440 bendalong to the South would be Kioloa 00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:15.440 and those boat ramps there again have 00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:18.639 the same problem with the queuing and 00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:20.920 that's a 40-minute drive on the highway 00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:24.199 either way to get to those boat ramps 00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:27.719 I'll also note that the commercial 00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:30.679 fishermen use that boat ramp so yes we 00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:33.199 have all the big trollers in the harbor 00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:35.000 but there are a number of commercial 00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:39.440 fishermen who use the boat ramps for 00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:43.159 their lobsters Abalone and the cockal 00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:45.519 that they get out to see and they're 00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:49.159 regularly using those boat ramps and 00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:52.039 so I'll call for a second I have sorry 00:36:52.119 --> 00:36:55.559 already for the Mayoral minute but you 00:36:55.639 --> 00:36:59.079 can see on the back of the Merl minute 00:36:59.159 --> 00:37:01.639 that there has been some some 00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:04.360 suggestion of signage onto the boat 00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:08.679 ramps down there when I spoke on 00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:11.280 Sunday and other counselors spoke who 00:37:11.360 --> 00:37:13.880 were in present spoke to the boat 00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:17.159 people down there we asked them what 00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:18.719 would there be what would their 00:37:18.800 --> 00:37:21.039 Solutions be for the boat ramp and how 00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:23.440 would they reopen it there were 00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:25.840 suggestions made that they could put 00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:27.920 ballast down at the bottom of the boat 00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:30.719 ramp but that's not practical because 00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:35.400 all of the reports and in RFS 00:37:35.480 --> 00:37:37.639 and things you would have to do for that 00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:41.199 would take time coun sorry Liza 00:37:41.280 --> 00:37:44.199 Butler the South Coast MP she has 00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:48.199 organized for Public Works to fix the 00:37:48.280 --> 00:37:50.480 boat ramp and the state government 00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:54.400 will pay for that however it's won't 00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:56.639 be fixed before the holiday period in 00:37:56.719 --> 00:37:59.639 the Christmas over the Christmas period 00:37:59.719 --> 00:38:02.280 so I first before we have any 00:38:02.360 --> 00:38:04.719 questions or anybody else wishes to 00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:07.199 speak any councelor wishes to speak 00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:10.400 I'll hand over to director McIntyre who 00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:12.599 can also give us some updates on the 00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:15.800 signage and on the whole issue of the 00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:17.840 bo gram down 00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:22.400 there through Madame May firstly 00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:23.960 the 00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:26.599 the the needs and desires of the 00:38:26.679 --> 00:38:27.719 community are Absol absolutely 00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:31.559 acknowledged there in alakala and 00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:34.159 certainly it's the the wish of the 00:38:34.239 --> 00:38:35.559 council that the work could be 00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:37.559 undertaken that is needed to be 00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:39.559 undertaken could be undertaken as 00:38:39.639 --> 00:38:41.360 quickly as possible and quicker than it 00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:46.800 has to date the primary barrier 00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:49.480 to that has been one of funding and 00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:53.840 as the speaker spoke about earlier 00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:56.280 it is apparent some State funding is 00:38:56.360 --> 00:38:59.159 becoming available to that end it's 00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:00.920 incbent upon me to ensure that the 00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:02.599 councilors have all the information they 00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:05.719 need to make any decision tonight 00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:07.400 and to that end further to the 00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:09.840 mayor's request I just need to take the 00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:11.559 councilors through some information 00:39:11.639 --> 00:39:13.159 again for your own awareness and to 00:39:13.239 --> 00:39:16.079 ensure that you are understanding 00:39:16.159 --> 00:39:18.800 the risks associated with with what is 00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:21.440 proposed 00:39:21.519 --> 00:39:25.800 so when we manage risk we manage it 00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:29.360 in a in a physical and we manage it in 00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:32.199 gradients and if signs are installed 00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:34.480 and the ramps are opened that is as 00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:37.440 is proposed we will be moving from one 00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:39.440 of the highest levels of control 00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:41.599 currently which is physical isolation of 00:39:41.679 --> 00:39:44.760 the ramp to one of the lowest risk 00:39:44.840 --> 00:39:47.239 control measures which is signage and 00:39:47.320 --> 00:39:49.599 again ultimately it is the decision 00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:52.719 of the council but it is incbent 00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:54.480 upon me to make sure the councils 00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:57.760 understand that this comes with risks 00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:01.000 further 00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:09.480 and the opening of the east side is 00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:11.519 the opening that is not recommended by 00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:13.440 Council staff the opening of the West 00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:16.679 side with signage is considered to be 00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:18.800 an acceptable if you like Risk 00:40:18.880 --> 00:40:22.079 Management strategy so it is the east 00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:25.440 side which is of major concern to 00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:29.079 council staff and is concerning that we 00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:31.599 would be knowingly exposing people to 00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:34.360 an unaccept excuse me an unacceptable 00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:36.960 risk in that 00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:40.239 location it's also worth noting that 00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:43.039 Council has an adopted risk appetite 00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:46.599 statement for the community for our 00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:48.920 our our residents and the people that we 00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:51.239 serve and it's currently set at a void 00:40:51.320 --> 00:40:53.960 level so what that avoid level means is 00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:55.960 is just that that you avoid using a 00:40:56.039 --> 00:40:58.599 facility where there is a deemed risk 00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:00.639 significant to potentially cause injury 00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:03.280 to the community and in in this case 00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:06.719 avoid means to not use in this case the 00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:08.159 east side of the 00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:10.159 ramp I just need to talk to you 00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:13.360 momentarily about the insurance 00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:15.519 ramifications and the advice has been 00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:18.079 provided by council's governance team 00:41:18.159 --> 00:41:19.719 that specializes in all of council's 00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:21.920 risk and insurance and again councilors 00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:25.199 just need to be under under the 00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:28.480 understanding that 00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:30.239 if it's foreseeable that an injury and 00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:33.599 damage is likely to occur and we have 00:41:33.679 --> 00:41:35.559 prior history of 00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:37.559 incidences 00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:40.960 Council would not have any 00:41:41.039 --> 00:41:43.719 protection under our insurance cover 00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:45.440 under what we call or what is called the 00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:47.800 reasonable care clause and that 00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:50.440 basically means that should we reopen 00:41:50.519 --> 00:41:53.360 the Eastern ramp against the the 00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:56.519 expert professional advice of council we 00:41:56.599 --> 00:42:00.400 render our we run the risk rather 00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:03.480 of rendering our insurance 00:42:03.559 --> 00:42:06.519 invalid that would expose counil to a a 00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:09.599 Financial Risk should an injury or 00:42:09.679 --> 00:42:13.280 damage occur that is not able to 00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:15.920 be covered by insurance for the 00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:17.639 reasons that I've said earlier that we 00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:20.679 have moved our our management from 00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:24.320 one of void to allow it to be used 00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:27.760 and one of closing the facil 00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:30.400 to one of signage associated with the 00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:32.599 facility so just to conclude Madame 00:42:32.679 --> 00:42:36.000 mayor the ultimately the decision of 00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:38.559 the elected council is the decision 00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:41.800 and Council officers in that 00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:44.280 circstance will comply with the 00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:46.320 direction of the elected Council but as 00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:48.119 I said it is incbent upon me to make 00:42:48.199 --> 00:42:49.519 sure the councilors have all the facts 00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:51.719 at hand before they make the decision 00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:54.280 thank you madam thank you so go to 00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:57.880 councelor Johnston 00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:00.519 thank you very much Madame mayor and 00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:02.800 Mr McIntyre you spoke to probably my 00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:05.599 point was under work health and safety 00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:09.639 act as a person of conducting 00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:10.960 business and undertaking that the 00:43:11.039 --> 00:43:14.199 council is is we have a responsibility 00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:16.519 to reduce any risk so far as reasonably 00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:19.440 practicable unfortunately as Mr 00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:21.440 McIntyre mentioned signage is the lowers 00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:23.719 form of that and so if we see an 00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:26.440 opportunity to reduce that risk further 00:43:26.519 --> 00:43:28.840 but we go go against that and raise the 00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:31.079 risk level or reduce the 00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:32.760 effectiveness of the controlled and 00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:35.000 someone is injured then we are possibly 00:43:35.079 --> 00:43:36.679 liable under the work health and safety 00:43:36.760 --> 00:43:39.039 act which will have significance 00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:41.199 ramifications for not only the council 00:43:41.280 --> 00:43:44.199 as a body but also as individuals I 00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:47.639 do appreciate the deposition that the 00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:49.679 club put forward and I don't think my 00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:51.519 concern isn't really with club members 00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:54.000 and those that use it regularly the 00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:56.119 concern would be with those visitors who 00:43:56.199 --> 00:43:57.880 think oh it's just a and we'll do 00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:00.000 disregard it you know it's not it's 00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:01.840 pretty often over holiday time that 00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:03.239 people are parking where they're not 00:44:03.320 --> 00:44:05.440 supposed to taking dogs where they're 00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:08.519 not supposed to Etc so signage is not an 00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:10.119 actual deterrent there will always be 00:44:10.199 --> 00:44:12.000 people who go against those and if those 00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:14.960 people get injured the signage will not 00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:18.280 be enough to prevent us being taken 00:44:18.360 --> 00:44:20.360 to court potentially or held against the 00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:22.800 work health and safety act so I just 00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:25.239 think if there is a recommendation that 00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:27.079 half the rant could be open whether 00:44:27.159 --> 00:44:28.639 remember apologies Mr McIntyre whether 00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:29.960 it was the eastern or western side that 00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:33.079 you said could be opened safely then 00:44:33.159 --> 00:44:35.239 that should be considered and I'd 00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:37.159 like to make a recommendation or an 00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:40.079 amendment to open only one side versus 00:44:40.159 --> 00:44:42.119 the other on Council staff 00:44:42.199 --> 00:44:45.199 recommendation thank 00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:48.960 you thank you so I'll take that as an 00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:52.000 as an amendment so we're now talking 00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:55.039 about the amendment as well councilor 00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:57.719 Norris thank you mayor White just 00:44:57.800 --> 00:45:00.039 want to be absolutely clear does this 00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:03.159 open Council up to a Financial 00:45:03.239 --> 00:45:06.599 Risk for the organization by having 00:45:06.679 --> 00:45:08.039 this open 00:45:08.119 --> 00:45:10.599 and will The Works undertaken by the 00:45:10.679 --> 00:45:12.280 state government be impacted by having 00:45:12.360 --> 00:45:14.800 limited 00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:17.400 access Mr 00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:19.719 McIntyre three Madame mayor yes it's the 00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:23.280 advice of council staff that Council 00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:25.480 would be at Financial Risk on 00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:29.079 opening both sides of the facility 00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:30.440 to your second 00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:33.880 question I I I can't answer that 00:45:33.960 --> 00:45:36.360 question the the project will be 00:45:36.440 --> 00:45:40.239 outsourced by the new s 00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:42.239 government to a contractor it is 00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:43.880 anticipated that that contractor will 00:45:43.960 --> 00:45:45.679 make their own Arrangements in terms of 00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:48.639 access certainly from a council officer 00:45:48.719 --> 00:45:50.039 perspective you like a council staff 00:45:50.119 --> 00:45:51.880 perspective we will do whatever we can 00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:55.119 to assist and facilitate that 00:45:55.199 --> 00:45:59.760 access thank we 200 a second for the 00:45:59.840 --> 00:46:02.239 amendment councelor tribe so I'll go to 00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:03.800 councelor 00:46:03.880 --> 00:46:07.199 d thank you Madame mayor coming 00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:09.679 from a long line of commercial and hobby 00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:12.840 Fishers that fished out of alella Harbor 00:46:12.920 --> 00:46:14.960 knowing the northern boat ramp has 00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:16.960 way more of a liability than the 00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:20.159 southern either side low tide there 00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:21.800 there is a hole at the end but having 00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:26.119 the correct signage to say that where 00:46:26.199 --> 00:46:28.639 the concrete finishes however knowing 00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:32.760 that the commercial the game fishing 00:46:32.840 --> 00:46:35.519 club has both construction workers and 00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:37.880 civil workers could they put forward 00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:42.280 either a section 5 355 committee or a 00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:45.639 community-led project to com commence 00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:47.559 temporary works until the state 00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:50.400 government has the 00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:53.000 funds so I'll take that as a for 00:46:53.079 --> 00:46:54.679 shadowed Amendment so we can come back 00:46:54.760 --> 00:46:57.880 to it councilor Casmir 00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:01.679 oh thank you mad actually my is more 00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:06.679 question on the risk side so that I 00:47:06.760 --> 00:47:10.119 understand the reason for is because at 00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:13.159 the end of the ramp that is a big ditch 00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:15.519 and some boats got stuck or something 00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:18.440 into that effect I understand from when 00:47:18.519 --> 00:47:21.039 we were there on Sunday but my question 00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:24.239 is what is the difference between that 00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:28.719 and Port holes because I did to my 00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:33.320 TI and and from a risk view point are 00:47:33.400 --> 00:47:35.079 we talking about the same thing or am I 00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:36.400 missing something 00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:38.840 here thank you Madame May so I'll go to 00:47:38.920 --> 00:47:42.000 the acting CEO thank you through you 00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:43.840 Madame May counselor it's a it's a great 00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:45.920 question and it goes to the the issue of 00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:48.719 general public liability for Council 00:47:48.800 --> 00:47:50.880 we have a range of assets for which we 00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:52.800 have routine maintenance programs and 00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:54.559 there is a level of reasonableness that 00:47:54.639 --> 00:47:57.360 Council must exercise in undertaking 00:47:57.440 --> 00:47:59.079 maintenance across its range of assets 00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:02.119 so foot paths roads where we are aware 00:48:02.199 --> 00:48:04.039 of an issue or an issue has been 00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:06.519 reported then there is a potential 00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:08.519 liability issue for Council and so the 00:48:08.599 --> 00:48:10.880 advice that I think Mr McIntyre director 00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:13.000 McIntyre has has relayed very 00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:16.440 effectively in this case is being having 00:48:16.519 --> 00:48:18.519 had this this particular issue 00:48:18.599 --> 00:48:21.280 reported being aware of it there is the 00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:24.719 potential for our insurers to not 00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:28.079 cover Us in the event of a a an incident 00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:29.639 particularly if that incident is 00:48:29.719 --> 00:48:32.199 catastrophic so that could go to 00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:36.000 property harm to han well-being or 00:48:36.079 --> 00:48:38.679 or life so that there certainly is a 00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:41.280 differentiation here with a known 00:48:41.360 --> 00:48:43.159 issue compared to General pothole 00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:45.760 maintenance Carrie did you want to 00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:47.079 comment any 00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:50.119 further through Madam no I believe the 00:48:50.199 --> 00:48:52.519 acting CEO has covered that 00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:56.159 issue any further councelor Casmir no 00:48:56.239 --> 00:49:00.440 thank you thank councelor Proudfoot for yes 00:49:00.519 --> 00:49:02.000 thanks Madam 00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:06.000 mayor I have a question on the on the 00:49:06.079 --> 00:49:07.400 our appetite for 00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:10.559 risk and one can reasonably asse that 00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:12.920 your appetite for risk should be 00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:16.559 mitigated by a good discussion with 00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:19.920 the insurance company as to the the 00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:23.199 likely outcome should there be a tragedy 00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:26.400 say on the Eastern ramp for example if 00:49:26.480 --> 00:49:28.880 if someone became a paraplegic or a 00:49:28.960 --> 00:49:33.360 quadriplegic and and they required up to 00:49:33.440 --> 00:49:36.519 $20 million worth of cover we need to 00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:39.000 know whether they're in fact covered 00:49:39.079 --> 00:49:40.800 whether we're in fact covered by that 00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:43.639 insurance and we need to go to our 00:49:43.719 --> 00:49:46.320 insurance company and say well here's 00:49:46.400 --> 00:49:49.280 the the officer's assessment what do 00:49:49.360 --> 00:49:52.199 you say and to see whether that that 00:49:52.280 --> 00:49:54.320 appetite for risk can be mitigated by 00:49:54.400 --> 00:49:56.760 the decision of an insurance company 00:49:56.840 --> 00:49:59.880 it's a bit premature if we we go ahead 00:49:59.960 --> 00:50:02.559 and then a tragedy does occur as 00:50:02.639 --> 00:50:05.280 unlikely as it may be but sometimes 00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:08.239 unlikely things do occur and council 00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:09.880 could be left holding the can for $20 00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:12.159 million and and you can have a poor 00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:14.840 unfortunate person that can't get around 00:50:14.920 --> 00:50:17.239 through you madam chair to Mr 00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:19.519 McIntyre can we find out from the 00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:23.079 insurance company will we still have 00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:24.920 the higher level of public liability 00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:28.000 cover 00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:30.639 director McIntyre three Madame mayor 00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:31.800 certainly if it's the will of the 00:50:31.880 --> 00:50:33.960 council then Council officers can 00:50:34.039 --> 00:50:35.639 undertake any investigation including 00:50:35.719 --> 00:50:38.119 talking to our insurers the advice I 00:50:38.199 --> 00:50:40.199 gave earlier is based on current advice 00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:43.119 from our insurers and that is that 00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:46.840 just to repeat that it's it's likely 00:50:46.920 --> 00:50:48.880 that where we have a history of previous 00:50:48.960 --> 00:50:51.159 incidences and we're aware of a problem 00:50:51.239 --> 00:50:53.039 the council would not have any 00:50:53.119 --> 00:50:54.800 protection with our current insurance 00:50:54.880 --> 00:50:56.920 cover under the reasonable care 00:50:57.000 --> 00:50:59.960 Clause of our policy should be reopen 00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:02.440 the Eastern ramp against the 00:51:02.519 --> 00:51:03.880 professional advice of the council 00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:06.280 officers to councilor Proudfoot foot's 00:51:06.360 --> 00:51:08.840 point if the will of the council is that 00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:10.840 council offic is engage in further 00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:12.920 discussions with our insurers then then 00:51:13.000 --> 00:51:14.599 obviously that's a direction that 00:51:14.679 --> 00:51:17.800 Council officers were able to 00:51:18.039 --> 00:51:20.760 take Council Cox oh 00:51:20.840 --> 00:51:23.360 sorry just quickly Madam chair well I 00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:26.039 would suggest that it is prudent to to 00:51:26.119 --> 00:51:29.760 get some definitive advice regarding 00:51:29.840 --> 00:51:32.400 the Eastern ramp to make sure that this 00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:34.719 council is covered and make making sure 00:51:34.800 --> 00:51:36.519 that that our appetite for risk is not 00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:38.719 negligent that that's what we need to do 00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:41.559 in my view so I would ask that staff do 00:51:41.639 --> 00:51:44.639 that should this motion go 00:51:44.719 --> 00:51:47.079 ahead thank you councelor Proudfoot 00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:50.760 councelor Cox thank you can I throw 00:51:50.840 --> 00:51:53.719 two other thoughts in what about with 00:51:53.800 --> 00:51:56.000 the insurance company going to and 00:51:56.079 --> 00:51:58.400 particularly to this ramp going 00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:00.760 with a limited liability option and 00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:03.760 having that publicized or could does 00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:05.039 counts over a third option where it's 00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:07.000 case of use at on 00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:10.239 risk thank 00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:12.960 you thank you councel I'll I'll let 00:52:13.039 --> 00:52:15.079 director McIntyre comment on on that 00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:17.360 element further but the use at high risk 00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:18.840 is an option that we've been informed 00:52:18.920 --> 00:52:21.079 at this stage will not releve Council 00:52:21.159 --> 00:52:23.519 of liability so the placement of a sign 00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:26.239 or saying use at your own Peril so to 00:52:26.320 --> 00:52:29.000 speak speak will not relieve Council 00:52:29.079 --> 00:52:32.400 of of receiving a claim and not being 00:52:32.480 --> 00:52:34.320 covered by our insurer not 00:52:34.400 --> 00:52:37.199 withstanding if Council were to pursue 00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:39.960 the opening of only one side being the 00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:42.199 less risky western side there are 00:52:42.280 --> 00:52:44.280 certainly other questions that we can U 00:52:44.360 --> 00:52:45.920 pursue with the insurer to check the 00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:47.880 limits of liability should Council 00:52:47.960 --> 00:52:51.400 entertain opening the Eastern 00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:54.079 side councilor 00:52:54.159 --> 00:52:57.440 Clancy thank you Madame mayor 00:52:57.519 --> 00:52:59.840 I went out there on Sunday and met 00:52:59.920 --> 00:53:03.199 with the community and look this it's 00:53:03.280 --> 00:53:05.679 been open for 60 years I think 50 or 60 00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:09.239 years has been minimal risk minimal 00:53:09.320 --> 00:53:11.760 injuries it hasn't been maintained the 00:53:11.840 --> 00:53:13.239 community has been waiting for nine 00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:17.000 months to actually get to this point so 00:53:17.079 --> 00:53:19.000 I think we need the answers regarding 00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:21.760 the insurance and the risk level I 00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:24.000 think we needed it in a very timely 00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:27.360 fashion and I appreciate that Mr 00:53:27.440 --> 00:53:29.119 McIntyre will go away and do that and 00:53:29.199 --> 00:53:30.679 I'm very grateful for that because the 00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:32.440 community really is saying loud and 00:53:32.519 --> 00:53:34.119 clear that this is having a very 00:53:34.199 --> 00:53:38.199 significant impact on them not only 00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:41.880 professionally but personally so we need 00:53:41.960 --> 00:53:43.599 to focus on what the community are 00:53:43.679 --> 00:53:45.519 asking for which is to open the ramp as 00:53:45.599 --> 00:53:47.840 soon as possible I would even suggest as 00:53:47.920 --> 00:53:49.920 soon as the 1 of December I don't think 00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:52.159 that the community from my consultations 00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:55.400 with them have have the appetite to wait 00:53:55.480 --> 00:53:57.440 any further past that that point they 00:53:57.519 --> 00:53:59.599 need this opened for their businesses 00:53:59.679 --> 00:54:02.039 for their game Recreation for our 00:54:02.119 --> 00:54:05.079 tourism we need to work hard on this as 00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:07.519 a 00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:10.199 priority right is there any further 00:54:10.280 --> 00:54:13.400 speakers or questions in relation to 00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:16.159 this so I'm hearing that there is 00:54:16.239 --> 00:54:19.159 still a level of uncertainty in relation 00:54:19.239 --> 00:54:21.880 to Insurance with the counselors and 00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:23.320 whether we're covered or we're not and 00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:27.480 how are we covered I'm 00:54:27.559 --> 00:54:30.800 the Eastern sorry the western side of 00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:33.840 the boat ramp is currently open so there 00:54:33.920 --> 00:54:36.519 does not need to be a recommendation to 00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:40.800 leave that site open so in view of 00:54:40.880 --> 00:54:43.079 the discussion that we've had I'm happy 00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:45.239 to defer this to the next council 00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:48.199 meeting to get further information from 00:54:48.280 --> 00:54:50.599 staff and the insurance company and for 00:54:50.679 --> 00:54:52.920 staff to further look at other options 00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:55.960 about how we can get this open as a 00:54:56.039 --> 00:54:59.760 matter of urgency especially for the 00:54:59.840 --> 00:55:01.920 Christmas period when we know that 00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:05.039 there's going to be a huge lot of 00:55:05.119 --> 00:55:08.119 congestion Etc down there the congestion 00:55:08.199 --> 00:55:11.719 down there doesn't only affect the 00:55:11.800 --> 00:55:14.320 the boat ramp it affects the co-op it 00:55:14.400 --> 00:55:16.280 affects the movement of the trollers 00:55:16.360 --> 00:55:18.760 bringing in their fish and other things 00:55:18.840 --> 00:55:22.360 as well so it is a big issue so 00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:24.440 councel D are you happy to second that 00:55:24.519 --> 00:55:26.239 we defer this to the next Council me 00:55:26.320 --> 00:55:28.320 meeting for further in investigation by 00:55:28.400 --> 00:55:31.079 the staff and in relation to 00:55:31.159 --> 00:55:32.320 Insurance 00:55:32.400 --> 00:55:35.280 matters yeah is it possible to start 00:55:35.360 --> 00:55:38.800 the process of a potential committee 00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:41.440 and or Community Le project at the same 00:55:41.519 --> 00:55:45.280 time as looking into the insurance yes 00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:48.079 we can list that not a problem 00:55:48.159 --> 00:55:49.280 director 00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:51.199 McIntyre through you Madame mayor thank 00:55:51.280 --> 00:55:53.039 you I just want to talk to the Western 00:55:53.119 --> 00:55:56.239 ramp can I suggest that if the 00:55:56.320 --> 00:55:58.000 Council resolves the way that you 00:55:58.079 --> 00:56:01.159 foreshadowed that that resolution 00:56:01.239 --> 00:56:04.840 includes that the recommended signage on 00:56:04.920 --> 00:56:06.679 the meral minute associated with the 00:56:06.760 --> 00:56:09.880 Western ramp 00:56:10.719 --> 00:56:13.239 proceed all right so is Council happy to 00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:15.519 proceed so the recommendation will be 00:56:15.599 --> 00:56:20.119 that the Council undertake further 00:56:20.199 --> 00:56:22.800 investigation in relation to the alala 00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:26.719 boat ramp Eastern side 00:56:26.800 --> 00:56:29.960 and to include other options including a 00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:33.639 355 committee a community construction 00:56:33.719 --> 00:56:37.519 Etc to do temporary repairs until such 00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:41.239 time as the Public Works move in and 00:56:41.320 --> 00:56:44.079 that in the interim we installed the 00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:46.880 signs on the western side of the boat 00:56:46.960 --> 00:56:50.320 ramp so people are aware of the 00:56:50.400 --> 00:56:52.800 damage and the signs are on the back of 00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:55.599 the paper for each of the side are you 00:56:55.679 --> 00:56:57.320 happy to move that as the second of 00:56:57.400 --> 00:56:58.840 council 00:56:58.920 --> 00:57:01.400 D is there any further discussion 00:57:01.480 --> 00:57:03.119 on deferring the 00:57:03.199 --> 00:57:05.639 matter if it's not I'll put that to the 00:57:05.719 --> 00:57:09.159 vote anybody against that 00:57:09.239 --> 00:57:11.440 recommendation councelor Johnston are you 00:57:11.519 --> 00:57:13.000 against deferring 00:57:13.079 --> 00:57:16.000 it no I'm for thank you madam so I 00:57:16.079 --> 00:57:17.800 declare that carried 00:57:17.880 --> 00:57:19.719 unanimously thank 00:57:19.800 --> 00:57:23.960 you so now we'll move on to notice of 00:57:24.039 --> 00:57:27.800 motion seal 243 3 46 notice a motion 00:57:27.880 --> 00:57:31.000 Memorial seat in plark Angus Craig on 00:57:31.079 --> 00:57:34.559 page one Council Proudfoot yeah thank 00:57:34.639 --> 00:57:37.440 you madam chair it certainly is with 00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:40.480 a a heavy heart that I I move this 00:57:40.559 --> 00:57:44.360 recommendation because as you you 00:57:44.440 --> 00:57:46.800 know by reading through the background 00:57:46.880 --> 00:57:49.239 it was in one of the worst New South 00:57:49.320 --> 00:57:51.480 Wales Road accidents in recent times at 00:57:51.559 --> 00:57:54.239 Angus Craig was one of 10 people who 00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:56.159 lost their life at the hunter Valley on 00:57:56.239 --> 00:57:59.760 that June 11th 2023 evening now I was 00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:02.920 approached by angus's parents and they 00:58:03.000 --> 00:58:06.639 would like to have a a memorial seat 00:58:06.719 --> 00:58:09.960 installed there at Collingwood 00:58:10.039 --> 00:58:12.960 Beach in the appropriate 00:58:13.039 --> 00:58:17.159 location Madam chair no parent no no 00:58:17.239 --> 00:58:20.760 parent ever wants to bury a a son no 00:58:20.840 --> 00:58:23.880 sister ever wants to bury a brother and 00:58:23.960 --> 00:58:27.039 this has just been an absolute tragedy 00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:30.039 it it really has and and the parents 00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:32.960 who were and and the family were still 00:58:33.039 --> 00:58:35.519 grieving have reached out and they 00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:38.000 said we really think this is the the 00:58:38.079 --> 00:58:40.199 right thing to do now Angus Craig was 00:58:40.280 --> 00:58:43.039 very well known very much loved he's a 00:58:43.119 --> 00:58:45.559 former captain of sanctuary Point Public 00:58:45.639 --> 00:58:47.599 School I had the pleasure of being 00:58:47.679 --> 00:58:49.559 associated with Angus for six years at 00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:52.480 Venia high school and Venia High School 00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:55.000 is a very rough and tble state school 00:58:55.079 --> 00:58:57.119 and Angus said sell at that school 00:58:57.199 --> 00:58:58.280 and he went on to become a very 00:58:58.360 --> 00:59:00.840 accomplished mechanical engineer just a 00:59:00.920 --> 00:59:03.760 great han being he he loved his kite 00:59:03.840 --> 00:59:05.800 boarding he he he loved getting down 00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:07.440 there at Collingwood Beach and he'd 00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:09.519 always draw a crowd with his mates and 00:59:09.599 --> 00:59:10.960 and that's where they used to hang 00:59:11.039 --> 00:59:12.840 out there for quite some time and 00:59:12.920 --> 00:59:15.519 it's only appropriate that this happens 00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:18.039 now the the the note by the CEO which 00:59:18.119 --> 00:59:21.559 doesn't read like excuse me councelor 00:59:21.639 --> 00:59:23.840 PR can I have a second 00:59:23.920 --> 00:59:26.880 please sir councelor C Mary thank you 00:59:26.960 --> 00:59:28.639 sorry councelor Proudfoot now the note 00:59:28.719 --> 00:59:30.800 by the ca doesn't doesn't read like 00:59:30.880 --> 00:59:32.760 something that Robin would write so I 00:59:32.840 --> 00:59:34.880 believe that someone else wrote it 00:59:34.960 --> 00:59:37.320 it's just a little bit direct a 00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:41.239 little bit cold in a circstance 00:59:41.320 --> 00:59:43.599 like this the community and this what we 00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:46.880 talk about rally behind the family they 00:59:46.960 --> 00:59:50.039 really do and so I've taken upon myself 00:59:50.119 --> 00:59:52.760 to contact the the men's shed at 00:59:52.840 --> 00:59:54.760 Sanctuary point and John Kelly said the 00:59:54.840 --> 00:59:57.800 men's shed will be only too happy to 00:59:57.880 --> 01:00:00.679 actually install this this Memorial seat 01:00:00.760 --> 01:00:03.480 themselves and and the 01:00:03.559 --> 01:00:06.599 familys the Craigs themselves they said 01:00:06.679 --> 01:00:08.519 they're quite happy to pay for the cost 01:00:08.599 --> 01:00:11.599 of the materials and and I'm sure that 01:00:11.679 --> 01:00:14.039 the man shed will throw in a tin of 01:00:14.119 --> 01:00:15.599 paint and they can make it look really 01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:17.599 good and make this a real Community 01:00:17.679 --> 01:00:21.639 project u a proactive project and and 01:00:21.719 --> 01:00:23.920 really rally around the family and and 01:00:24.000 --> 01:00:25.639 and rally to the cause on this occasion 01:00:25.719 --> 01:00:29.360 so so I really Rec recommend this motion 01:00:29.440 --> 01:00:32.199 to you and I hope I get 100% support 01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:34.719 thank you madam chair so councilor 01:00:34.800 --> 01:00:37.159 Proudfoot would you be acceptable to put 01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:39.360 a part two in that this matter be 01:00:39.440 --> 01:00:42.559 deferred back to the acting CEO for 01:00:42.639 --> 01:00:44.519 determination of funding and working 01:00:44.599 --> 01:00:48.440 with the family to make the seat 01:00:48.519 --> 01:00:53.320 happen sure sure thank you as long as it 01:00:53.400 --> 01:00:57.920 happens yep the family will p 01:00:58.960 --> 01:01:01.719 do you want to tidy up the Waring 01:01:01.800 --> 01:01:03.960 yeah if I if I may Madame mayor thank 01:01:04.039 --> 01:01:06.119 you and councilors look there there is 01:01:06.199 --> 01:01:07.960 always that you'll see councilors that 01:01:08.039 --> 01:01:09.519 one of the items on the agenda tonight 01:01:09.599 --> 01:01:11.440 is an update on the community le le 01:01:11.519 --> 01:01:14.400 projects component so there is an an 01:01:14.480 --> 01:01:16.559 opportunity for us to look at whether 01:01:16.639 --> 01:01:18.639 there is a community funded component 01:01:18.719 --> 01:01:21.760 that can run through that particular 01:01:21.840 --> 01:01:23.960 framework not withstanding there given 01:01:24.039 --> 01:01:27.000 there is no direct allocated budget 01:01:27.079 --> 01:01:28.440 within council's 01:01:28.519 --> 01:01:32.199 2425 adopted budget what we can do is 01:01:32.280 --> 01:01:34.199 look at engage with the family 01:01:34.280 --> 01:01:35.599 understanding the community will for 01:01:35.679 --> 01:01:37.920 this to proceed and whether there are 01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:39.840 any other appropriate options that won't 01:01:39.920 --> 01:01:42.400 have a a direct monetary impact on on 01:01:42.480 --> 01:01:44.119 council's bottom line but may still see 01:01:44.199 --> 01:01:46.239 an appropriate Memorial 01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:48.360 proceed yeah are you happy with the 01:01:48.440 --> 01:01:50.119 second part councilor 01:01:50.199 --> 01:01:52.639 CME yeah so is there any further 01:01:52.719 --> 01:01:54.920 discussion councilor proword so so Madam 01:01:55.000 --> 01:01:56.639 chair so 01:01:56.719 --> 01:01:59.239 will the men shed be included in the 01:01:59.320 --> 01:02:01.880 discussion sanct Point men shed they 01:02:01.960 --> 01:02:04.119 want to install the thing so there's no 01:02:04.199 --> 01:02:07.400 installation cost and the and the Craigs 01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:09.280 want to pay for it I just want to make 01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:12.000 sure this doesn't finish up 01:02:12.079 --> 01:02:14.280 nowhere councel we can include them in 01:02:14.360 --> 01:02:15.800 the in the discussions yes as long as 01:02:15.880 --> 01:02:17.760 it's sensitive to the issue and and the 01:02:17.840 --> 01:02:19.119 family so 01:02:19.199 --> 01:02:20.760 yes 01:02:20.840 --> 01:02:24.440 okay so if there's no further discussion 01:02:24.519 --> 01:02:26.880 do you need write a reply Council 01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:29.119 Proudfoot so I'll put it to the vote 01:02:29.199 --> 01:02:31.760 is there any dissenting V voices in 01:02:31.840 --> 01:02:34.199 relation to this voting against 01:02:34.280 --> 01:02:36.559 councelor 01:02:36.639 --> 01:02:41.480 Johnston voting for yes yep I'll declare 01:02:41.559 --> 01:02:44.920 that unanimously carried move on to 01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:47.880 the next notice of motion which is Seal 01:02:47.960 --> 01:02:50.360 24347 notice of motion caring for 01:02:50.440 --> 01:02:53.800 indigenous culture pilot program page 01:02:53.880 --> 01:02:55.559 two councelor Proudfoot for yeah thank you 01:02:55.639 --> 01:02:57.280 thank thank you madam chair and it gives 01:02:57.360 --> 01:02:59.800 me a great deal of pleasure to move this 01:02:59.880 --> 01:03:02.400 motion following that fantastic 01:03:02.480 --> 01:03:06.519 deputation from the people from kaic 01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:09.480 this pilot program is is vital in my 01:03:09.559 --> 01:03:12.039 view to the sh Haven it I know we have 01:03:12.119 --> 01:03:13.480 discussed this sort of thing in Years 01:03:13.559 --> 01:03:15.519 Gone by with our tourism Department who 01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:18.559 who embraced the concept but for a a non 01:03:18.639 --> 01:03:21.679 for-profit organization to form and and 01:03:21.760 --> 01:03:23.400 and want to start their pilot program 01:03:23.480 --> 01:03:25.320 here in the Sha Havens certainly a very 01:03:25.400 --> 01:03:26.199 exciting 01:03:26.280 --> 01:03:28.559 thing indeed the the the principal 01:03:28.639 --> 01:03:30.599 director Nathaniel Hampton Olive 01:03:30.679 --> 01:03:33.199 couldn't be here he's offered a sports 01:03:33.280 --> 01:03:35.119 Carnival I believe with his with his 01:03:35.199 --> 01:03:37.400 kids he's just a a great han being 01:03:37.480 --> 01:03:40.960 that that came on board with the team to 01:03:41.039 --> 01:03:44.320 put this together and Council staff's 01:03:44.400 --> 01:03:46.599 already contacted myself and they're 01:03:46.679 --> 01:03:48.920 particularly enthusiastic about 01:03:49.000 --> 01:03:50.920 supporting the the pilot and they're 01:03:51.000 --> 01:03:52.480 looking forward to having a discussion 01:03:52.559 --> 01:03:56.519 with Nathaniel and and Rodney and Bob 01:03:56.599 --> 01:03:59.480 and really make sure things happen 01:03:59.559 --> 01:04:01.760 now in speaking with Nathaniel Hampton 01:04:01.840 --> 01:04:05.039 Olive he said that the spin-off is not 01:04:05.119 --> 01:04:07.679 not just indigenous job opportunities 01:04:07.760 --> 01:04:09.519 it'll be non- indigenous as well he's 01:04:09.599 --> 01:04:13.480 Keen to to move forward in the in the 01:04:13.559 --> 01:04:16.760 spirit of our reconcil reconciliation 01:04:16.840 --> 01:04:19.760 action plan and it was very 01:04:19.840 --> 01:04:21.880 enthusiastic about creating jobs for 01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:23.239 both indigenous people and for 01:04:23.320 --> 01:04:25.960 non-indigenous people so that in itself 01:04:26.039 --> 01:04:29.039 is exciting as well and and I believe 01:04:29.119 --> 01:04:32.559 that the the culture of our first 01:04:32.639 --> 01:04:35.559 Nations people being the oldest 01:04:35.639 --> 01:04:38.199 existing culture in the in the world 01:04:38.280 --> 01:04:41.199 60,000 years of culture is worth 01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:43.639 preserving there's no question about it 01:04:43.719 --> 01:04:47.320 and I believe that we can do that 01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:49.000 the way there was outlined in the 01:04:49.079 --> 01:04:51.199 deputation and we can get behind this 01:04:51.280 --> 01:04:53.719 project to the best of our ability full 01:04:53.800 --> 01:04:55.320 well knowing that there's there's no 01:04:55.400 --> 01:04:56.159 cost 01:04:56.239 --> 01:04:59.320 there's no money being sought it's just 01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:01.840 to work with our indigenous people to 01:05:01.920 --> 01:05:03.880 work with the caic people and make it 01:05:03.960 --> 01:05:07.480 happen so I commend the motion to the 01:05:07.559 --> 01:05:09.639 council do I have a 01:05:09.719 --> 01:05:13.360 second so seconded by councilor Casmir 01:05:13.440 --> 01:05:16.000 just is there any yes councelor 01:05:16.079 --> 01:05:17.280 Christ 01:05:17.360 --> 01:05:19.400 alitis thank you Madame mayor well 01:05:19.480 --> 01:05:24.559 done excellent the I I'd like just to 01:05:24.639 --> 01:05:26.159 add an amendment if I'm 01:05:26.239 --> 01:05:28.480 Council PR for ad number three that 01:05:28.559 --> 01:05:30.559 says and report back to council with the 01:05:30.639 --> 01:05:33.360 viability and Associated costs involved 01:05:33.440 --> 01:05:35.920 now the reason for that is I do know and 01:05:36.000 --> 01:05:37.960 understand there's no actual outlay oh 01:05:38.039 --> 01:05:39.280 first of all I should say your 01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:40.719 deputation was wonderful gentlemen thank 01:05:40.800 --> 01:05:43.440 you loved it and and the the idea 01:05:43.519 --> 01:05:46.880 behind it fantastic love it brilliant 01:05:46.960 --> 01:05:48.280 there however there are counts of 01:05:48.360 --> 01:05:49.679 resources that will have to be used 01:05:49.760 --> 01:05:52.320 things like web hosting staing 01:05:52.400 --> 01:05:54.840 Staffing service bandwidth and 01:05:54.920 --> 01:05:56.760 Reporting so so there's some time and 01:05:56.840 --> 01:06:01.960 resources in involved and as I 01:06:02.039 --> 01:06:03.519 said just I'd really like as I said a 01:06:03.599 --> 01:06:05.159 report to come back so we can assess 01:06:05.239 --> 01:06:06.559 exactly what it's going to cost noting 01:06:06.639 --> 01:06:08.360 our fiscal 01:06:08.440 --> 01:06:11.280 position so council Proudfoot do accept 01:06:11.360 --> 01:06:15.719 that Amendment no no right so the 01:06:15.800 --> 01:06:18.679 amendment's not accepted by the Mover so 01:06:18.760 --> 01:06:20.960 we can now debate the amendment so 01:06:21.039 --> 01:06:23.559 you're moving it do I have a second 01:06:23.639 --> 01:06:26.880 to year councilor Norris so do you wish 01:06:26.960 --> 01:06:29.679 to speak to the or you already have 01:06:29.760 --> 01:06:31.920 do you want to speak again to the 01:06:32.000 --> 01:06:33.760 amendment I have nothing more to add 01:06:33.840 --> 01:06:36.159 Madam May thank you right so any 01:06:36.239 --> 01:06:39.039 speakers in relation to the 01:06:39.119 --> 01:06:41.920 amendment Council Proudfoot for Madam chair 01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:44.400 I speak against the amendment look here 01:06:44.480 --> 01:06:45.719 we have 01:06:45.800 --> 01:06:50.639 a a a company if you like two gentlemen 01:06:50.719 --> 01:06:54.880 come in and and do their presentation 01:06:54.960 --> 01:06:56.679 we already had staff involved 01:06:56.760 --> 01:06:59.239 enthusiastic staff involved and and what 01:06:59.320 --> 01:07:01.519 are we trying to do we put more barriers 01:07:01.599 --> 01:07:04.639 up I mean really are we going to die die 01:07:04.719 --> 01:07:07.440 on a on a Ledge saying oh well this is 01:07:07.519 --> 01:07:09.840 this could cost some money this this 01:07:09.920 --> 01:07:12.639 could cost some of the r payers money 01:07:12.719 --> 01:07:14.679 and we haven't got much money the staff 01:07:14.760 --> 01:07:16.920 are there the staff's expertise is 01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:19.480 already there the the caic people 01:07:19.559 --> 01:07:22.800 they're ready to go let's not put put 01:07:22.880 --> 01:07:25.480 barriers up let's not come in with a 01:07:25.559 --> 01:07:28.239 ideas how we can say oh well maybe cast 01:07:28.320 --> 01:07:30.920 a doubt there it's it's 100% support 01:07:31.000 --> 01:07:33.079 we're after we're not kind of after a 01:07:33.159 --> 01:07:35.199 bit of support Let's Get Behind these 01:07:35.280 --> 01:07:37.480 people and make the thing work and stop 01:07:37.559 --> 01:07:40.760 putting barriers up thanks Madam chair 01:07:40.840 --> 01:07:44.000 so any further discussion on the 01:07:44.079 --> 01:07:46.039 amendment if there's no further 01:07:46.119 --> 01:07:47.840 discussion on the amendment I'll put the 01:07:47.920 --> 01:07:50.519 amendment those in favor of the 01:07:50.599 --> 01:07:53.840 amendment so that will be councelor 01:07:53.920 --> 01:07:58.079 Clancy sorry sorry no sorry sorry so 01:07:58.159 --> 01:08:01.320 councelor Crick stol arus councelor Boyd 01:08:01.400 --> 01:08:04.239 councelor Norris and councelor tribe the 01:08:04.320 --> 01:08:06.760 balance vote against oh councelor 01:08:06.840 --> 01:08:09.880 Johnston sorry the balance vote 01:08:09.960 --> 01:08:12.119 against councelor Casmir councel Dunnn 01:08:12.199 --> 01:08:14.840 councel Cox councel Wilkins Council 01:08:14.920 --> 01:08:18.359 Proudfoot Council Clancy and mayor white 01:08:18.439 --> 01:08:22.399 so the amendment is lost so we'll go 01:08:22.479 --> 01:08:24.640 back to the original motion do we 01:08:24.720 --> 01:08:26.560 have any further 01:08:26.640 --> 01:08:29.479 speakers write a reply Council Proudfoot 01:08:29.560 --> 01:08:33.520 foot no WR a reply so I'll put the 01:08:33.600 --> 01:08:37.000 recommendation those in 01:08:37.079 --> 01:08:40.760 favor is it unanimously no so I'll call 01:08:40.840 --> 01:08:42.960 it out so councelor Casmir councelor 01:08:43.039 --> 01:08:46.239 Dunnn councelor Cox councel Wilkins 01:08:46.319 --> 01:08:49.640 councelor Proudfoot councelor tribe 01:08:49.720 --> 01:08:52.199 councelor Boyd councelor Clancy mayor 01:08:52.279 --> 01:08:56.000 white those against councelor cricstar 01:08:56.079 --> 01:08:59.199 and Council Norris so I declare that 01:08:59.279 --> 01:09:01.840 carried we'll move on to CL 01:09:01.920 --> 01:09:04.960 24348 notice of motion old narrow 01:09:05.039 --> 01:09:09.119 bridge that it's with you councelor 01:09:09.199 --> 01:09:12.760 Cox yeah obviously when I put that 01:09:12.840 --> 01:09:14.760 through I think a couple of days 01:09:14.840 --> 01:09:16.560 later literally I must have been on the 01:09:16.640 --> 01:09:18.880 same page because I there was a big 01:09:18.960 --> 01:09:20.680 announcement from transport nor sou well 01:09:20.760 --> 01:09:24.960 so I think really I was like everyone 01:09:25.039 --> 01:09:26.760 else drive drive across a bridge every 01:09:26.840 --> 01:09:29.520 day and look left and it's a case of 01:09:29.600 --> 01:09:31.760 why is it boarded up so I would like to 01:09:31.840 --> 01:09:34.319 maybe just completely a to that and just 01:09:34.399 --> 01:09:36.920 ask that transport n South Wales By 01:09:37.000 --> 01:09:39.800 Request give us some quartly updates if 01:09:39.880 --> 01:09:41.479 that is a reasonable 01:09:41.560 --> 01:09:44.159 request it's reasonable CR so it's been 01:09:44.239 --> 01:09:46.079 changed that we receive quarterly 01:09:46.159 --> 01:09:48.880 updates on the progress on the old 01:09:48.960 --> 01:09:51.840 narrow bridge councilor Crick St 01:09:51.920 --> 01:09:54.840 litis thank you madam mayor and 01:09:54.920 --> 01:09:56.640 and as I said in an email to you earlier 01:09:56.720 --> 01:09:58.159 thank you for the opportunity to go to 01:09:58.239 --> 01:10:00.600 seat just happen that this came through 01:10:00.680 --> 01:10:02.119 while I was there which is great and I'd 01:10:02.199 --> 01:10:04.600 like to it's completely changed I'd 01:10:04.680 --> 01:10:05.840 like to add something to that if I may 01:10:05.920 --> 01:10:07.960 is that a possib look at an amendment 01:10:08.039 --> 01:10:10.479 yes look at an amendment that asks 01:10:10.560 --> 01:10:12.319 the CEO to approach transport for New 01:10:12.399 --> 01:10:13.640 South Wales noting this will be finished 01:10:13.720 --> 01:10:17.119 in 3 or four years and find out from 01:10:17.199 --> 01:10:19.319 transort transport for New South Wales 01:10:19.399 --> 01:10:21.119 whether they're going to make it an 01:10:21.199 --> 01:10:22.640 asset for Council or they're going to 01:10:22.720 --> 01:10:24.039 keep hold of it and there's at the 01:10:24.119 --> 01:10:25.279 moment I know there's some discussion I 01:10:25.359 --> 01:10:28.720 like some clarity on that thank you so 01:10:28.800 --> 01:10:31.199 you're requesting that we write to seats 01:10:31.279 --> 01:10:34.079 to clarify what will happen to the 01:10:34.159 --> 01:10:37.479 old yes I fit the green thing again I 01:10:37.560 --> 01:10:39.840 don't think seats would no I think 01:10:39.920 --> 01:10:41.560 transport for New South Wales would 01:10:41.640 --> 01:10:43.439 transport yep are you happy with that 01:10:43.520 --> 01:10:46.560 Amendment councelor Cox thank you so I 01:10:46.640 --> 01:10:49.039 will have I got a seconder for that 01:10:49.119 --> 01:10:50.720 can I have a sec are you happy to Second 01:10:50.800 --> 01:10:54.199 it Council chrystus yes yep so it's been 01:10:54.279 --> 01:10:56.439 seconded councel 01:10:56.520 --> 01:10:59.840 Norris thanks mayor white and just to 01:10:59.920 --> 01:11:02.159 furnish the the new councilors in the 01:11:02.239 --> 01:11:03.880 room it is a 01:11:03.960 --> 01:11:06.199 longstanding point of view from this 01:11:06.279 --> 01:11:08.000 Council that it is not an asset that we 01:11:08.079 --> 01:11:11.560 want in in terms of I was sitting 01:11:11.640 --> 01:11:13.239 across the room from councilor Wells 01:11:13.319 --> 01:11:16.199 when he announced that last term so it's 01:11:16.279 --> 01:11:19.319 not an asset we want and I wish to thank 01:11:19.399 --> 01:11:21.399 Liza Butler and Fiona Phillips for 01:11:21.479 --> 01:11:23.159 the $20 million they announced the other 01:11:23.239 --> 01:11:27.199 day and and and I thank them for the 01:11:27.279 --> 01:11:29.079 community update which I've printed out 01:11:29.159 --> 01:11:30.439 here which it goes to answer all the 01:11:30.520 --> 01:11:31.960 questions so thank you councelor Cox for 01:11:32.039 --> 01:11:33.199 changing the 01:11:33.279 --> 01:11:35.239 recommendation and I just want to 01:11:35.319 --> 01:11:38.039 acknowledge that all the acknowledge 01:11:38.119 --> 01:11:40.840 Liza Fiona and Gareth for their advocacy 01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:44.039 today thank you councilor Cox do you 01:11:44.119 --> 01:11:45.640 wish to write a 01:11:45.720 --> 01:11:47.600 reply no I think it's pretty 01:11:47.680 --> 01:11:49.479 straightforward thank you all right I'll 01:11:49.560 --> 01:11:51.119 put that 01:11:51.199 --> 01:11:53.119 recommendation is there anybody 01:11:53.199 --> 01:11:55.439 against the recommendation 01:11:55.520 --> 01:11:57.479 if not I'll declare it unanimously 01:11:57.560 --> 01:12:00.479 supported thank you we'll now go to seal 01:12:00.560 --> 01:12:04.359 24349 notice a motion roundabout rescue 01:12:04.439 --> 01:12:05.520 councelor 01:12:05.600 --> 01:12:08.239 Wilkins and I'll call for a second on 01:12:08.319 --> 01:12:09.920 this before we start the debate so 01:12:10.000 --> 01:12:11.880 councelor 01:12:11.960 --> 01:12:16.039 Cox yes madame mayor through you I 01:12:16.119 --> 01:12:20.119 thought this would be quite simple 01:12:20.199 --> 01:12:22.720 that we beautify the region the 01:12:22.800 --> 01:12:26.479 entrances to Barry and balader 01:12:26.560 --> 01:12:28.840 further into Nara and Beyond to all the 01:12:28.920 --> 01:12:30.279 way down the prince's 01:12:30.359 --> 01:12:32.880 Highway and probably a simple 01:12:32.960 --> 01:12:34.680 request to see if we can get it done 01:12:34.760 --> 01:12:36.960 within 40 days before before the 01:12:37.039 --> 01:12:39.840 Christmas period to lift people's 01:12:39.920 --> 01:12:43.319 morale lift their Spirits and open 01:12:43.399 --> 01:12:46.399 the doorway for the visitors with a 01:12:46.479 --> 01:12:48.079 pleasant surprise that the the 01:12:48.159 --> 01:12:50.920 roundabouts are are dressed up unlike 01:12:51.000 --> 01:12:53.199 they are at the moment with with fire 01:12:53.279 --> 01:12:57.439 weed and range of weeds and they're 01:12:57.520 --> 01:13:00.920 unkempt but then the the note by 01:13:01.000 --> 01:13:03.479 the CEO I was informed perhaps we 01:13:03.560 --> 01:13:04.600 should have known it but it was a 01:13:04.680 --> 01:13:05.880 surprise that we don't actually own 01:13:05.960 --> 01:13:07.279 those roundabouts they're not ours 01:13:07.359 --> 01:13:10.079 they're the they're the property of 01:13:10.159 --> 01:13:13.560 the transport for New South Wales and 01:13:13.640 --> 01:13:15.199 we really have no jurisdiction there 01:13:15.279 --> 01:13:16.800 although there's a bit of toing and fro 01:13:16.880 --> 01:13:19.479 who who does the work that that could 01:13:19.560 --> 01:13:23.520 be a partnership there to create an 01:13:23.600 --> 01:13:26.520 to paint an analogy of many a many a 01:13:26.600 --> 01:13:29.640 house owner they mow The Verge out in 01:13:29.720 --> 01:13:32.840 front of their house or the side down by 01:13:32.920 --> 01:13:34.840 the side which is Crown Land you quite 01:13:34.920 --> 01:13:37.119 often mow that when it's not yours and 01:13:37.199 --> 01:13:39.159 perhaps the council over time might have 01:13:39.239 --> 01:13:40.600 adopted that approach where they just 01:13:40.680 --> 01:13:42.239 look at the roundabouts and say even 01:13:42.319 --> 01:13:44.000 though they're owned by the state 01:13:44.079 --> 01:13:46.640 government they're really ours it's 01:13:46.720 --> 01:13:49.199 part of area so we'll look after them 01:13:49.279 --> 01:13:52.319 but of course money became an issue 01:13:52.399 --> 01:13:54.199 so that's somewhat disappointing because 01:13:54.279 --> 01:13:57.000 we'd like to see them tarted up but I 01:13:57.079 --> 01:13:59.199 would like to make an amendment to the 01:13:59.279 --> 01:14:00.920 to the motion therefore in light of 01:14:01.000 --> 01:14:03.000 the note by the the CEO that we 01:14:03.079 --> 01:14:04.880 unfortunately don't have the financial 01:14:04.960 --> 01:14:06.359 resources to undertake additional 01:14:06.439 --> 01:14:09.680 beautification Works nor the capacity 01:14:09.760 --> 01:14:11.640 in any event to affect an additional 01:14:11.720 --> 01:14:13.680 program in 40 days that we perhaps put 01:14:13.760 --> 01:14:16.479 some pressure on the on the 01:14:16.560 --> 01:14:20.359 respective State members for coam and 01:14:20.439 --> 01:14:23.119 the south coast and motivate the 01:14:23.199 --> 01:14:25.920 Rejuvenation plan so the Amendment 01:14:26.000 --> 01:14:29.520 would be approach the respective state 01:14:29.600 --> 01:14:32.600 government members for the south coast 01:14:32.680 --> 01:14:38.239 and Kama to activate a Rejuvenation 01:14:40.039 --> 01:14:43.319 plan so is that within 40 01:14:43.399 --> 01:14:48.479 days if within 40 days 01:14:55.760 --> 01:14:59.720 so councilor Wilkins is that a extra 01:14:59.800 --> 01:15:02.840 part of the recommendation number four 01:15:02.920 --> 01:15:06.159 number four the number 01:15:10.680 --> 01:15:13.960 four all right or or can I put a five in 01:15:14.039 --> 01:15:15.479 there as well another amendment you want 01:15:15.560 --> 01:15:17.359 to put a five in 01:15:17.439 --> 01:15:21.760 the that we examine the possibility 01:15:21.840 --> 01:15:25.680 of redirecting some funds that were 01:15:25.760 --> 01:15:30.119 to be used for something else to to 01:15:30.199 --> 01:15:33.680 beautify the roundabouts I don't 01:15:33.760 --> 01:15:35.319 think the council should have to pay for 01:15:35.399 --> 01:15:37.760 it when a state government asset okay 01:15:37.840 --> 01:15:42.760 right y take five out scrap five yeah so 01:15:42.840 --> 01:15:46.479 replac I'll just go to the acting CEO 01:15:46.560 --> 01:15:48.560 thank you Madame may councelor I just 01:15:48.640 --> 01:15:52.560 wanted to clarify 0.1 places Council 01:15:52.640 --> 01:15:56.399 as the responsible author point for 01:15:56.479 --> 01:15:57.680 places Council and making 01:15:57.760 --> 01:16:00.000 representations to the state given it's 01:16:00.079 --> 01:16:02.439 their assets can I just clarify that in 01:16:02.520 --> 01:16:06.720 adding point 4 as an amendment that 01:16:06.800 --> 01:16:09.720 the intent is to keep 01 in or is the 01:16:09.800 --> 01:16:13.479 intent to shift the responsibility to 01:16:13.560 --> 01:16:16.159 the asset owners and Council advocate 01:16:16.239 --> 01:16:18.079 for that work to be 01:16:18.159 --> 01:16:20.840 undertaken I'd like to share the 01:16:20.920 --> 01:16:23.800 responsibility but if you have to shift 01:16:23.880 --> 01:16:25.279 it then we'll shift shift the 01:16:25.359 --> 01:16:27.600 responsibility to the 01:16:27.680 --> 01:16:30.000 state may I suggest Madam May that 01:16:30.079 --> 01:16:32.840 Council may consider then amending 01:16:32.920 --> 01:16:36.039 0.1 to to that effect so so something 01:16:36.119 --> 01:16:40.600 along the lines of that Council make 01:16:40.680 --> 01:16:43.800 representations to the appropriate state 01:16:43.880 --> 01:16:47.920 government agencies on the Revitalize 01:16:48.000 --> 01:16:50.159 and Rejuvenation of roundabouts in Berry 01:16:50.239 --> 01:16:52.159 etc etc which we'll then read in in 01:16:52.239 --> 01:16:54.920 conjunction with point 4 or you take out 01:16:55.000 --> 01:16:57.439 for and just add the 40 days on point 01:16:57.520 --> 01:17:01.359 one thank you councelor so we clarified 01:17:01.439 --> 01:17:02.760 on 01:17:02.840 --> 01:17:06.319 that so 01:17:06.880 --> 01:17:09.760 who's yes Council Clancy I'm waiting for 01:17:09.840 --> 01:17:12.479 the lights to 01:17:13.800 --> 01:17:18.000 change councilor Clancy before I go 01:17:18.079 --> 01:17:19.840 into what I wanted to say point four can 01:17:19.920 --> 01:17:23.520 we include Mr mins as well or do we have 01:17:23.600 --> 01:17:26.439 to go through the statement 01:17:26.520 --> 01:17:28.960 members go straight to him this has been 01:17:29.039 --> 01:17:31.279 a long-standing issue for badary I'm a 01:17:31.359 --> 01:17:34.000 badary resident and I'd like to 01:17:34.079 --> 01:17:37.039 acknowledge the bomere community 01:17:37.119 --> 01:17:39.560 Incorporated that incorporation they do 01:17:39.640 --> 01:17:43.159 an amazing job advocating for Bader and 01:17:43.239 --> 01:17:45.880 Bader is actually the gateway to the 01:17:45.960 --> 01:17:49.800 Shell Haven we have the berry bypass 01:17:49.880 --> 01:17:52.680 now and so we come into bomaderry and we 01:17:52.760 --> 01:17:55.439 see a big mackers and we see over grown 01:17:55.520 --> 01:17:57.920 Pathways and foot paths and roundabouts 01:17:58.000 --> 01:18:02.199 that are littered and not maintained 01:18:02.279 --> 01:18:04.640 the people of Bomer are very Proudfoot of 01:18:04.720 --> 01:18:07.199 bom being you know citizens of those the 01:18:07.279 --> 01:18:09.000 shell Haven but what they're more Proudfoot 01:18:09.079 --> 01:18:11.600 of is actually living in Bomer and I 01:18:11.680 --> 01:18:13.800 want to be able to have my daughter say 01:18:13.880 --> 01:18:16.199 I want to stay in Bader I want to live 01:18:16.279 --> 01:18:19.520 in Bader and I think Bader needs a bit 01:18:19.600 --> 01:18:22.159 of love and attention from Council and 01:18:22.239 --> 01:18:24.520 we need to put this in as a priority we 01:18:24.600 --> 01:18:27.359 need need to make sure that we 01:18:27.439 --> 01:18:31.720 deliver a beautiful Proudfoot entrance to 01:18:31.800 --> 01:18:34.399 the Shell Haven as people come in over 01:18:34.479 --> 01:18:37.159 the next few months Christmas lots of 01:18:37.239 --> 01:18:39.239 tourists lots of visitors we want to 01:18:39.319 --> 01:18:41.439 show them that we're Proudfoot to be 01:18:41.520 --> 01:18:43.479 residents of Bomer and that we want 01:18:43.560 --> 01:18:46.159 their money their business and we want 01:18:46.239 --> 01:18:49.039 them to come and visit us so I think 01:18:49.119 --> 01:18:51.800 I will definitely be supporting this 01:18:51.880 --> 01:18:56.199 motion roundabout rescue 01:18:56.840 --> 01:18:59.319 thank you councilor 01:18:59.399 --> 01:19:02.000 Norris thanks mayor white and thank you 01:19:02.079 --> 01:19:03.520 councelor Wilkins for bringing this 01:19:03.600 --> 01:19:08.039 notice and motion to us I did note 01:19:08.119 --> 01:19:11.159 and I do note your observations that 01:19:11.239 --> 01:19:13.399 we don't actually own the asset and so 01:19:13.479 --> 01:19:15.079 by the original wording I was worried 01:19:15.159 --> 01:19:17.239 about an additional cost for Council 01:19:17.319 --> 01:19:20.399 maintaining thing we don't own I have 01:19:20.479 --> 01:19:22.439 got a foreshadowed amendment I have sent 01:19:22.520 --> 01:19:25.840 to CL minutes one that I believe will 01:19:25.920 --> 01:19:28.399 probably get what you want but I don't 01:19:28.479 --> 01:19:30.520 think I can add it to an amendment which 01:19:30.600 --> 01:19:33.239 my foreshadow is Council wres to 01:19:33.319 --> 01:19:34.680 transport for New South Wales and 01:19:34.760 --> 01:19:37.159 invites them to talk SLC collaborate 01:19:37.239 --> 01:19:39.079 with us about their short medi and 01:19:39.159 --> 01:19:42.199 long-term plans for beautification of 01:19:42.279 --> 01:19:44.880 the highway through the shell Haven I 01:19:44.960 --> 01:19:47.439 rais this because if you cast your mind 01:19:47.520 --> 01:19:48.920 back to 01:19:49.000 --> 01:19:51.960 2007 through the central median of the 01:19:52.039 --> 01:19:54.680 highway most of the way through Nara it 01:19:54.760 --> 01:19:57.239 was vegetated had Gardens had 01:19:57.319 --> 01:20:00.720 planting had stuff like that cast 01:20:00.800 --> 01:20:02.720 your mind back to January 2010 it was 01:20:02.800 --> 01:20:06.439 recently concreted over so it is 01:20:06.520 --> 01:20:09.159 transport for New South Wales asset it 01:20:09.239 --> 01:20:12.560 is their it is their property but we 01:20:12.640 --> 01:20:14.479 need to be making sure that if they do 01:20:14.560 --> 01:20:17.880 have a beautification plan we need to be 01:20:17.960 --> 01:20:19.560 on par with what they're doing because 01:20:19.640 --> 01:20:21.600 at the end of the day it might be their 01:20:21.680 --> 01:20:25.039 asset but it's our town 01:20:25.119 --> 01:20:27.039 councelor Wilkins are you happy to 01:20:27.119 --> 01:20:29.039 include that foreshadow as an extra 01:20:29.119 --> 01:20:30.960 point in the recommendation so we have a 01:20:31.039 --> 01:20:33.319 longterm solution not really no 01:20:33.399 --> 01:20:35.880 although I appreciate Council Norris's 01:20:35.960 --> 01:20:38.520 interest in in this issue but that 01:20:38.600 --> 01:20:40.680 again sends it down the road again 01:20:40.760 --> 01:20:43.600 and we're looking for or hoping for 01:20:43.680 --> 01:20:46.279 some immediate action just to see if we 01:20:46.359 --> 01:20:50.000 can generate some beautification 01:20:50.079 --> 01:20:52.359 before before Christmas otherwise it'll 01:20:52.439 --> 01:20:55.680 be next Christmas before it's done 01:20:55.760 --> 01:20:57.239 so I'll leave it as a foreshadow 01:20:57.319 --> 01:20:58.560 councelor 01:20:58.640 --> 01:21:03.039 Cox as a resident of the badary myself 01:21:03.119 --> 01:21:05.520 and just to support and add to that 01:21:05.600 --> 01:21:06.479 because obviously I think what we're 01:21:06.560 --> 01:21:07.880 doing is getting a bit big there and I 01:21:07.960 --> 01:21:09.840 think the whole point was was it was 01:21:09.920 --> 01:21:12.199 around the 2 key roundabouts so if 01:21:12.279 --> 01:21:14.119 council's not going to do it and we 01:21:14.199 --> 01:21:16.800 understand obviously it's an asset of 01:21:16.880 --> 01:21:19.359 government or roads then what my 01:21:19.439 --> 01:21:21.520 suggestion would be that if we can't get 01:21:21.600 --> 01:21:23.199 them to do anything for us in the 01:21:23.279 --> 01:21:25.920 shorter term that we offer to put it 01:21:26.000 --> 01:21:29.000 out to community groups and happy to 01:21:29.079 --> 01:21:30.840 coordinate or work on that and actually 01:21:30.920 --> 01:21:32.720 get some work done ourselves I think 01:21:32.800 --> 01:21:34.640 a bit of community power will go a 01:21:34.720 --> 01:21:37.239 long way thank you I'll go to 01:21:37.319 --> 01:21:38.960 director 01:21:39.039 --> 01:21:42.439 McIntyre three Madam mayor I I I have to 01:21:42.520 --> 01:21:44.439 be the one again to talk about the 01:21:44.520 --> 01:21:47.800 way in which the transport F files 01:21:47.880 --> 01:21:49.680 managers risk in that location transport 01:21:49.760 --> 01:21:51.319 for New South Wales will not allow 01:21:51.399 --> 01:21:53.600 Community groups onto a road asset to 01:21:53.680 --> 01:21:55.000 maintain it 01:21:55.079 --> 01:21:57.680 transport for new souw has as does 01:21:57.760 --> 01:22:00.479 council has significant controls in 01:22:00.560 --> 01:22:02.560 place to ensure that traffic is actually 01:22:02.640 --> 01:22:05.039 diverted and closed and indeed that's 01:22:05.119 --> 01:22:07.279 one of the if not the greatest cost 01:22:07.359 --> 01:22:08.840 associated with this work is actually 01:22:08.920 --> 01:22:11.640 not the not the mowing it's the road 01:22:11.720 --> 01:22:13.199 closures it's the traffic control that 01:22:13.279 --> 01:22:15.439 goes with that so they will not allow 01:22:15.520 --> 01:22:17.960 Community groups to go on there and mow 01:22:18.039 --> 01:22:21.079 those facilities without traffic 01:22:21.159 --> 01:22:23.359 closures being put in place and those 01:22:23.439 --> 01:22:24.920 traffic closures would need to be put in 01:22:25.000 --> 01:22:27.520 place by either transport a contractor 01:22:27.600 --> 01:22:31.039 or the council yeah thank you councelor 01:22:31.119 --> 01:22:33.880 Clancy do you have a question 01:22:33.960 --> 01:22:37.279 I I just wanted to acknowledge that 01:22:37.359 --> 01:22:39.800 Council I don't think was successful in 01:22:39.880 --> 01:22:42.199 re establishing a contract for 01:22:42.279 --> 01:22:45.520 maintenance on the transport transport 01:22:45.600 --> 01:22:49.119 for New South Wales roundabouts 01:22:49.199 --> 01:22:51.960 that we're talking about so is there any 01:22:52.039 --> 01:22:55.800 way we could look at r tendering that 01:22:55.880 --> 01:22:58.119 that or sorry reapplying for that 01:22:58.199 --> 01:23:00.880 contract that we usually do have but we 01:23:00.960 --> 01:23:04.359 somehow lost this time I'll go to count 01:23:04.439 --> 01:23:06.800 director McIntyre three Madame mayor the 01:23:06.880 --> 01:23:08.720 the advice of staff is that it was 01:23:08.800 --> 01:23:11.119 actually the traffic control matters 01:23:11.199 --> 01:23:13.800 which were the limiting factor in being 01:23:13.880 --> 01:23:15.720 able to successfully maintain those 01:23:15.800 --> 01:23:18.479 roundabouts the advice of Transport 01:23:18.560 --> 01:23:20.279 to the officers that I've discussed this 01:23:20.359 --> 01:23:23.279 with has been that in in lie of that 01:23:23.359 --> 01:23:25.079 ongoing maintenance that transport will 01:23:25.159 --> 01:23:28.039 attempt an annual maintenance of 01:23:28.119 --> 01:23:30.680 those facilities and again that is to 01:23:30.760 --> 01:23:34.039 minimize the impact on traffic 01:23:34.119 --> 01:23:36.039 control right is there any further 01:23:36.119 --> 01:23:39.439 speakers before the writer reply so I'll 01:23:39.520 --> 01:23:43.159 I'll add to the debate I drive up 01:23:43.239 --> 01:23:45.199 and down this highway nearly every day 01:23:45.279 --> 01:23:48.119 well virtually every day and the 01:23:48.199 --> 01:23:51.600 condition of the center aisles and some 01:23:51.680 --> 01:23:54.640 of the sides of the princess highway is 01:23:54.720 --> 01:23:57.159 disgusting there's no other word to use 01:23:57.239 --> 01:24:01.640 for it it is a state asset now we have 01:24:01.720 --> 01:24:05.760 our state member for South Coast 01:24:05.840 --> 01:24:07.800 going on about Council assets and how 01:24:07.880 --> 01:24:09.640 she has to pick up the pieces for 01:24:09.720 --> 01:24:11.800 Council well it's about time the state 01:24:11.880 --> 01:24:14.640 government started to pick up the pieces 01:24:14.720 --> 01:24:17.800 for the highway because it is in a 01:24:17.880 --> 01:24:21.560 disgusting mess I was driving home 01:24:21.640 --> 01:24:24.560 last Thursday night and this goes to 01:24:24.640 --> 01:24:26.800 what director McIntyre said I was 01:24:26.880 --> 01:24:28.560 driving home got to South narrow went 01:24:28.640 --> 01:24:30.840 through the roundabout at mackas and 01:24:30.920 --> 01:24:33.640 here's a man in a high vest High vest 01:24:33.720 --> 01:24:37.399 uniform with a shovel shoveling out the 01:24:37.479 --> 01:24:39.439 leaves from the 01:24:39.520 --> 01:24:42.720 drains so if we get any weather hard 01:24:42.800 --> 01:24:46.159 rain those drains are blocked and they 01:24:46.239 --> 01:24:50.159 will not cope with the amount of rain 01:24:50.239 --> 01:24:52.239 and the road will be flooded now I can't 01:24:52.319 --> 01:24:53.760 tell you how many times I've driven up 01:24:53.840 --> 01:24:56.680 the highest way from War wara Road 01:24:56.760 --> 01:24:59.279 through inara and the flooding on the 01:24:59.359 --> 01:25:01.439 highway because the drains are blocked 01:25:01.520 --> 01:25:03.880 it is not a council responsibility is a 01:25:03.960 --> 01:25:05.960 state government responsibility to keep 01:25:06.039 --> 01:25:09.119 that clean we have hundreds of thousands 01:25:09.199 --> 01:25:11.600 of people come here we have over $3 01:25:11.680 --> 01:25:14.479 million sorry 3 million people visit the 01:25:14.560 --> 01:25:18.279 SCH Haven during a year and that's what 01:25:18.359 --> 01:25:21.880 they come to they come to a mess on the 01:25:21.960 --> 01:25:24.239 highway they can clean it up in City 01:25:24.319 --> 01:25:26.880 Sydney they can clean it up as they move 01:25:26.960 --> 01:25:28.479 further up the highway you're going to 01:25:28.560 --> 01:25:31.760 go for a drive out to the new airport 01:25:31.840 --> 01:25:34.439 and have a look at the center line at 01:25:34.520 --> 01:25:37.760 the center sections of the roads 01:25:37.840 --> 01:25:40.199 they've created out there beautifully 01:25:40.279 --> 01:25:43.800 moan beautiful gardens not a problem so 01:25:43.880 --> 01:25:45.840 I don't think we should put up with it I 01:25:45.920 --> 01:25:48.119 think it's about time the state members 01:25:48.199 --> 01:25:49.760 if they want to bag us out for our 01:25:49.840 --> 01:25:51.520 Council assets well they need to look in 01:25:51.600 --> 01:25:54.720 their own backyard now we can not afford 01:25:54.800 --> 01:25:56.560 to have people trying to clean it up on 01:25:56.640 --> 01:26:00.039 the road we can't and it is against the 01:26:00.119 --> 01:26:02.560 law to do it but something has to be 01:26:02.640 --> 01:26:05.640 done it has to be cleaned up why should 01:26:05.720 --> 01:26:08.199 we look in a mess and you go down to Al 01:26:08.279 --> 01:26:10.399 DOA don't talk about just the northern 01:26:10.479 --> 01:26:12.960 part of the Sha Haven go down to alala 01:26:13.039 --> 01:26:14.199 and see what they've done to the 01:26:14.279 --> 01:26:17.039 roundabouts and the facilities down 01:26:17.119 --> 01:26:20.439 there in relation to the roads we 01:26:20.520 --> 01:26:22.600 used to have beautiful agap panthers 01:26:22.680 --> 01:26:24.760 that used to grow in those roundabouts 01:26:24.840 --> 01:26:27.680 down around olala and up the center of 01:26:27.760 --> 01:26:30.000 the main street in olala they were all 01:26:30.079 --> 01:26:32.720 poisoned off all right cuz the flowers 01:26:32.800 --> 01:26:34.960 grew too big and you couldn't see around 01:26:35.039 --> 01:26:37.119 the roundabout I can understand that but 01:26:37.199 --> 01:26:38.760 they poisoned them all off and now 01:26:38.840 --> 01:26:41.279 they're just beds of weeds we deserve 01:26:41.359 --> 01:26:43.960 better in the Sha Haven from the state 01:26:44.039 --> 01:26:45.880 government in relation to the way our 01:26:45.960 --> 01:26:48.199 roads here the state government roads 01:26:48.279 --> 01:26:50.439 are maintained so I'll go to write a 01:26:50.520 --> 01:26:52.399 reply councelor 01:26:52.479 --> 01:26:54.640 Wilkins I'm not sure I need to write a 01:26:54.720 --> 01:26:56.439 reply after that Madame mayor I think 01:26:56.520 --> 01:26:59.039 you've smed it up perfectly only to 01:26:59.119 --> 01:27:01.920 support all of your thoughts and to say 01:27:02.000 --> 01:27:04.479 that there's a lot of Pork barreling 01:27:04.560 --> 01:27:07.399 on the the big ticket items in the 01:27:07.479 --> 01:27:09.840 council and other councils too but some 01:27:09.920 --> 01:27:12.640 of the smaller still 01:27:12.720 --> 01:27:16.039 influential items get disregarded 01:27:16.119 --> 01:27:18.319 and that's what this is about this is 01:27:18.399 --> 01:27:21.000 drawing attention to that and lifting 01:27:21.079 --> 01:27:24.279 the mood of the area thank you so with 01:27:24.359 --> 01:27:25.960 that I'll put the recommendation is 01:27:26.039 --> 01:27:29.960 there any PE any councilors voting 01:27:30.039 --> 01:27:33.640 against so Council Norris votes against 01:27:33.720 --> 01:27:35.840 the balance are in favor I declare that 01:27:35.920 --> 01:27:39.560 carried so I'll now go to the call sorry 01:27:39.640 --> 01:27:42.159 yes counc chair I have a a matter of 01:27:42.239 --> 01:27:44.640 urgency to bring before the 01:27:44.720 --> 01:27:46.960 council if I 01:27:47.039 --> 01:27:51.000 may I was Madam chair I was contacted 01:27:51.079 --> 01:27:55.920 by Mr Bernie Ryan from Mary Beach 01:27:56.000 --> 01:27:59.560 Caravan Park so it's a matter of urgency 01:27:59.640 --> 01:28:00.880 we normally deal with the matter of 01:28:00.960 --> 01:28:02.800 urgencies at the back of the P when we 01:28:02.880 --> 01:28:06.359 finish in all of the items in the 01:28:06.439 --> 01:28:08.640 reports so are you happy to wait till 01:28:08.720 --> 01:28:09.760 the end of the 01:28:09.840 --> 01:28:13.800 paper I'm not happy but I'll wait thank 01:28:13.880 --> 01:28:17.640 you all right so with that I'll go to 01:28:17.720 --> 01:28:21.079 the call over of the business paper 01:28:21.159 --> 01:28:24.199 so we'll first of all go to City 01:28:24.279 --> 01:28:26.560 performance does anybody wish to call 01:28:26.640 --> 01:28:29.560 anything in City 01:28:29.640 --> 01:28:33.199 performance any issues in relation to CL 01:28:33.279 --> 01:28:37.039 2435 or CL 01:28:37.119 --> 01:28:40.600 24351 councilor 01:28:41.239 --> 01:28:44.119 Wilkins Madame mayor through you 01:28:44.199 --> 01:28:46.039 perhaps I have a couple of questions 01:28:46.119 --> 01:28:48.399 regarding the code of 01:28:48.479 --> 01:28:51.399 conduct and relating to public 01:28:51.479 --> 01:28:54.239 comment yep I'll I'll call that out you 01:28:54.319 --> 01:28:55.920 to talk when we get there when we finish 01:28:56.000 --> 01:28:58.399 the call over of the paper so nobody 01:28:58.479 --> 01:29:00.239 wishes to call out 01:29:00.319 --> 01:29:02.840 2435 so can I have a move in a second 01:29:02.920 --> 01:29:04.560 please for 01:29:04.640 --> 01:29:07.279 24350 so moveed by Council Cox seconded 01:29:07.359 --> 01:29:10.359 by Council Casmir so that is C 01:29:10.439 --> 01:29:13.880 24350 submission Council conduct and 01:29:13.960 --> 01:29:16.239 meeting practices discussion paper all 01:29:16.319 --> 01:29:18.640 those in favor anyone against I declare 01:29:18.720 --> 01:29:20.840 that carried we'll get down to City 01:29:20.920 --> 01:29:25.800 Futures SE 24352 two initial 01:29:25.880 --> 01:29:27.760 consideration proponent planning 01:29:27.840 --> 01:29:30.720 proposal application 17 princess Al 01:29:30.800 --> 01:29:33.520 Street Berry anybody wish to call that 01:29:33.600 --> 01:29:38.800 out if not I'll move CL 01:29:38.880 --> 01:29:42.520 24352 in initial consideration proponent 01:29:42.600 --> 01:29:45.880 planning proposal application 17 princes 01:29:45.960 --> 01:29:48.000 at Alfred Street Berry can I have a move 01:29:48.079 --> 01:29:50.239 it please moved by councelor Dunn 01:29:50.319 --> 01:29:53.199 seconded by councelor Clancy any 01:29:53.279 --> 01:29:55.800 objections if if not I declare that 01:29:55.880 --> 01:29:59.680 carried city services we have CL 01:29:59.760 --> 01:30:02.680 24350 proposed road closure at Milton 01:30:02.760 --> 01:30:03.920 and seal 01:30:04.000 --> 01:30:09.279 24354 tenders for answer any wish to 01:30:09.359 --> 01:30:13.840 call them out no so I'll move that c 01:30:13.920 --> 01:30:17.199 24353 proposed road closures and sale 01:30:17.279 --> 01:30:20.760 unnamed Road Reserve adjoining lot 106 01:30:20.840 --> 01:30:24.720 DP 10487 31 in Milton 01:30:24.800 --> 01:30:26.600 and also CL 01:30:26.680 --> 01:30:29.960 24354 tenders East narrow sub arterial 01:30:30.039 --> 01:30:33.199 road inser project management and Design 01:30:33.279 --> 01:30:35.079 Services can I have a mover for both of 01:30:35.159 --> 01:30:37.880 those recommendations Council Cox second 01:30:37.960 --> 01:30:41.000 to council Boyd all those in favor I 01:30:41.079 --> 01:30:43.760 declare those carried City developments 01:30:43.840 --> 01:30:47.600 now we need to call out CL 01:30:47.680 --> 01:30:50.039 24300 that needs to come out is there 01:30:50.119 --> 01:30:51.159 any 01:30:51.239 --> 01:30:54.199 other things in City development that 01:30:54.279 --> 01:30:56.520 need to come 01:30:56.600 --> 01:30:59.079 out Council 01:30:59.159 --> 01:31:02.159 norrris 01:31:02.760 --> 01:31:05.880 2436 all right so Council and law is 01:31:05.960 --> 01:31:06.760 called 01:31:06.840 --> 01:31:08.359 243 01:31:08.439 --> 01:31:12.800 356 so in that I'll move I'll move CL 01:31:12.880 --> 01:31:16.279 24355 development application 159 mosell 01:31:16.359 --> 01:31:21.479 Road kangaroo Valley dp4 sorry Lock 4 DP 01:31:21.560 --> 01:31:24.279 11616 can I have a mover please it's a 01:31:24.359 --> 01:31:25.960 moved by councelor Cox seconded by 01:31:26.039 --> 01:31:29.279 councelor tribe all those in favor no 01:31:29.359 --> 01:31:31.920 objections declared that carry 01:31:32.000 --> 01:31:34.399 unanimously and the last one on the 01:31:34.479 --> 01:31:37.239 boooks before the confidential is CL 01:31:37.319 --> 01:31:41.079 24357 Community Leb projects update 01:31:41.159 --> 01:31:43.640 anybody wishes to speak on that matter 01:31:43.720 --> 01:31:46.279 yes I'll give it to councilor Boyd 01:31:46.359 --> 01:31:49.399 she put her hand up first so that 01:31:49.479 --> 01:31:50.800 will be called out we'll deal with the 01:31:50.880 --> 01:31:54.119 confidential reports after that so we 01:31:54.199 --> 01:31:55.640 will go back 01:31:55.720 --> 01:31:57.680 toor 01:31:57.760 --> 01:32:01.680 yes read the pap City development 01:32:01.760 --> 01:32:04.119 24.3 that called that was called out by 01:32:04.199 --> 01:32:06.520 councilor Norris 01:32:06.600 --> 01:32:08.439 okay all 01:32:08.520 --> 01:32:11.239 right so we'll go back to the beginning 01:32:11.319 --> 01:32:14.800 of the paper so we're with cl 24351 code 01:32:14.880 --> 01:32:17.640 of conduct complaints annual statement 01:32:17.720 --> 01:32:24.279 report page 10 with councelor Wilkins 01:32:26.439 --> 01:32:29.119 Madame mayor yes just a couple of 01:32:29.199 --> 01:32:31.399 questions about the the code of 01:32:31.479 --> 01:32:36.600 conduct and the cost to council 01:32:36.680 --> 01:32:38.800 which it's not much but it's not 01:32:38.880 --> 01:32:43.279 insignificant so I want to know when a 01:32:43.359 --> 01:32:45.359 code of conduct is applied and then it 01:32:45.439 --> 01:32:49.279 goes to the next level to a panel 01:32:49.359 --> 01:32:50.760 what's the 01:32:50.840 --> 01:32:53.600 deciding Factor what what sends it to 01:32:53.680 --> 01:32:55.239 the Next Level and what's the cost 01:32:55.319 --> 01:32:58.000 involved when it goes to the next level 01:32:58.079 --> 01:33:00.239 I'll go to the acting CEO thank you 01:33:00.319 --> 01:33:03.239 through you Madame there an 01:33:03.319 --> 01:33:04.880 interpretation and assessment of the 01:33:04.960 --> 01:33:06.439 severity and whether there is a 01:33:06.520 --> 01:33:07.960 breach of a code but there is a formal 01:33:08.039 --> 01:33:09.479 process in place and I might actually 01:33:09.560 --> 01:33:12.640 ask M mcmah to comment further on on 01:33:12.720 --> 01:33:14.760 how that evaluation and that 01:33:14.840 --> 01:33:17.119 threshold is is determined to 01:33:17.199 --> 01:33:19.800 escalate it to an investigation or to a 01:33:19.880 --> 01:33:22.239 further 01:33:22.760 --> 01:33:25.680 evaluation through here Madame mayor the 01:33:25.760 --> 01:33:28.560 council's adopted code of conduct 01:33:28.640 --> 01:33:30.279 procedures set out the process to be 01:33:30.359 --> 01:33:33.319 followed for all code of conduct 01:33:33.399 --> 01:33:35.680 complaints relating to counselors 01:33:35.760 --> 01:33:37.600 that's what this report relates to 01:33:37.680 --> 01:33:41.720 counselors and CEO the process in 01:33:41.800 --> 01:33:43.720 Broad terms commences with a 01:33:43.800 --> 01:33:46.119 complaint that it Mets the criteria set 01:33:46.199 --> 01:33:48.720 out in the code of conduct procedures as 01:33:48.800 --> 01:33:50.560 me meeting the requirements of a 01:33:50.640 --> 01:33:53.079 complaint so that normally means setting 01:33:53.159 --> 01:33:54.880 out know what is the breach what 01:33:54.960 --> 01:33:56.560 evidence there is and what has been 01:33:56.640 --> 01:33:59.359 breached in Broad terms following that 01:33:59.439 --> 01:34:01.840 if we use the example of a complaint 01:34:01.920 --> 01:34:05.520 about a counselor the CEO undertakes 01:34:05.600 --> 01:34:08.359 a review of the complaint and assessment 01:34:08.439 --> 01:34:10.239 as to the seriousness and other matters 01:34:10.319 --> 01:34:11.880 of the complaint and they make their own 01:34:11.960 --> 01:34:15.239 inquiries about what to do the 01:34:15.319 --> 01:34:19.800 options available to the CEO are to 01:34:19.880 --> 01:34:23.680 take no further action firstly 01:34:23.760 --> 01:34:26.439 secondly to use what's called 01:34:26.520 --> 01:34:28.720 alternative strategies set out within 01:34:28.800 --> 01:34:32.800 the guidelines for the CEO to manage 01:34:32.880 --> 01:34:35.000 it may be things like a voluntary 01:34:35.079 --> 01:34:37.640 apology counseling training those sorts 01:34:37.720 --> 01:34:40.439 of things so it may resolve the matter 01:34:40.520 --> 01:34:42.760 that way or they may consider it 01:34:42.840 --> 01:34:45.920 serious enough to refer to a conduct 01:34:46.000 --> 01:34:48.000 reviewer on council's panel of conduct 01:34:48.079 --> 01:34:51.680 reviewers so once that process starts 01:34:51.760 --> 01:34:54.159 there is cost internally in cluding this 01:34:54.239 --> 01:34:57.199 report for that first time the CEO's 01:34:57.279 --> 01:34:59.479 time in managing these matters and 01:34:59.560 --> 01:35:02.600 then also when we appoint conduct 01:35:02.680 --> 01:35:04.720 reviewer then the cost of the conduct 01:35:04.800 --> 01:35:07.479 reviewer kick in the conduct reviewer 01:35:07.560 --> 01:35:10.640 basically goes through two two layers 01:35:10.720 --> 01:35:12.560 the first layer is to determine whether 01:35:12.640 --> 01:35:15.880 it's again serious enough to move to 01:35:15.960 --> 01:35:18.039 a formal investigation or alternatively 01:35:18.119 --> 01:35:21.319 they may suggest or they themselves may 01:35:21.399 --> 01:35:23.319 use one of those alternative strategies 01:35:23.399 --> 01:35:27.000 so we're talking counseling training 01:35:27.079 --> 01:35:28.279 those sorts of things and work with the 01:35:28.359 --> 01:35:29.920 counselor to resolve the matter or they 01:35:30.000 --> 01:35:31.960 may progress to a formal 01:35:32.039 --> 01:35:35.359 investigation as to costs basically 01:35:35.439 --> 01:35:37.720 the council is required to pay an hourly 01:35:37.800 --> 01:35:39.680 rate and that's we try to get a cost 01:35:39.760 --> 01:35:42.079 estimate for those but these can be very 01:35:42.159 --> 01:35:43.960 complicated matters particularly the 01:35:44.039 --> 01:35:46.479 ones that reach at the reach the end of 01:35:46.560 --> 01:35:49.319 the process if we go all the way 01:35:49.399 --> 01:35:51.800 through to the investigation phase 01:35:51.880 --> 01:35:53.600 the conduct reviewer will provide a 01:35:53.680 --> 01:35:55.880 report back to the CEO for what happens 01:35:55.960 --> 01:35:58.359 next if there is a breach of the code of 01:35:58.439 --> 01:36:00.239 conduct then it would come to the 01:36:00.319 --> 01:36:02.920 council for consideration of steps 01:36:03.000 --> 01:36:04.720 following so that's a very 01:36:04.800 --> 01:36:08.000 abbreviated version and depending on 01:36:08.079 --> 01:36:10.920 the complaint itself how much evidence 01:36:11.000 --> 01:36:12.680 is there what interviews need to be 01:36:12.760 --> 01:36:15.479 conducted is there any other 01:36:15.560 --> 01:36:17.680 investigative means that the 01:36:17.760 --> 01:36:20.600 complaint needs to follow will impact on 01:36:20.680 --> 01:36:23.600 the cost of the matter so it could be 01:36:23.680 --> 01:36:26.560 seen as being a costly Affair the more 01:36:26.640 --> 01:36:29.920 steps it's taken would that be right I 01:36:30.000 --> 01:36:32.279 think the average is 900 for one 01:36:32.359 --> 01:36:34.359 individual case but naturally if it goes 01:36:34.439 --> 01:36:37.239 to the panel it could be quite a costly 01:36:37.319 --> 01:36:39.920 Affair for the council is that right 01:36:40.000 --> 01:36:41.399 through you Madame mayor yes in dollar 01:36:41.479 --> 01:36:43.800 terms the cost for the council will 01:36:43.880 --> 01:36:46.199 be lesser the the more quickly it can be 01:36:46.279 --> 01:36:49.279 resolved and the longer the more 01:36:49.359 --> 01:36:51.359 processes involved the the higher the 01:36:51.439 --> 01:36:56.920 cost will be so so sorry acting CEO 01:36:57.000 --> 01:36:58.640 thank you sorry councel look I might add 01:36:58.720 --> 01:37:00.680 just for context counsil is that that 01:37:00.760 --> 01:37:03.039 the number of steps or or the increasing 01:37:03.119 --> 01:37:05.000 cost in that respect is directly 01:37:05.079 --> 01:37:08.720 related to the perceived severity of the 01:37:08.800 --> 01:37:12.920 of the claim of non or misconduct 01:37:13.000 --> 01:37:15.319 or or a breach of the code directly 01:37:15.399 --> 01:37:19.159 so for example something as simple as 01:37:19.239 --> 01:37:22.119 name calling may be be able to be 01:37:22.199 --> 01:37:24.279 resolved very quickly but something 01:37:24.359 --> 01:37:26.399 that relates to conduct that may have 01:37:26.479 --> 01:37:28.960 something to to do with a pecuniary 01:37:29.039 --> 01:37:30.880 interest or non- Declaration of Interest 01:37:30.960 --> 01:37:33.840 or may Fetter decision making is a a 01:37:33.920 --> 01:37:36.079 far more significant issue that would 01:37:36.159 --> 01:37:39.119 require a more fome investigation and 01:37:39.199 --> 01:37:41.960 Ergo more steps in the process and 01:37:42.039 --> 01:37:45.399 Rel regarding public comment 01:37:45.479 --> 01:37:48.720 3.23 press releases verbal comment to 01:37:48.800 --> 01:37:50.600 the media including comments on radio or 01:37:50.680 --> 01:37:52.640 television expressing views on social 01:37:52.720 --> 01:37:55.399 media in correspondence or 01:37:55.479 --> 01:37:59.000 notices it would be incbent 01:37:59.079 --> 01:38:00.760 therefore wouldn't it on councilors to 01:38:00.840 --> 01:38:03.840 know the the code of conduct rules 01:38:03.920 --> 01:38:06.680 so they don't breach them by going on 01:38:06.760 --> 01:38:09.680 radio television or in print and crit 01:38:09.760 --> 01:38:12.800 being critical of the council that would 01:38:12.880 --> 01:38:17.479 be seen as being sort of intrinsic 01:38:17.560 --> 01:38:20.680 in the in the form and shape of a 01:38:20.760 --> 01:38:22.840 counselor wouldn't that that they'd know 01:38:22.920 --> 01:38:25.119 that if you're to criticize the council 01:38:25.199 --> 01:38:28.159 in these fors here then you may 01:38:28.239 --> 01:38:30.520 well cost the council 01:38:30.600 --> 01:38:32.720 money just thank you through through you 01:38:32.800 --> 01:38:36.640 mayor Council Lord any councilors 01:38:36.720 --> 01:38:39.119 elected representatives or staff have a 01:38:39.199 --> 01:38:41.720 responsibility to not bring the council 01:38:41.800 --> 01:38:44.840 into disrepute that that goes through 01:38:44.920 --> 01:38:47.319 all levels of the organization that 01:38:47.399 --> 01:38:49.520 was covered off in both induction 01:38:49.600 --> 01:38:51.800 material for Council laws through 01:38:51.880 --> 01:38:53.119 through code of conduct material but 01:38:53.199 --> 01:38:54.800 also so is covered off through all 01:38:54.880 --> 01:38:57.119 induction material for new staff that 01:38:57.199 --> 01:38:58.960 commence with the 01:38:59.039 --> 01:39:02.680 organization thank you acting C rupay 01:39:02.760 --> 01:39:04.800 yes it just doesn't seem that it's 01:39:04.880 --> 01:39:07.239 been adhered to to me but I just might 01:39:07.319 --> 01:39:10.199 remind people that public comment 01:39:10.279 --> 01:39:12.920 3.26 B not make any comment written or 01:39:13.000 --> 01:39:14.720 verbal that will bring Council staff or 01:39:14.800 --> 01:39:16.840 councilors into disrepute or contrary to 01:39:16.920 --> 01:39:19.720 this code 326 c not devolves 01:39:19.800 --> 01:39:23.560 confidential councel information 327 01:39:23.640 --> 01:39:25.560 not breach the privacy of other Council 01:39:25.640 --> 01:39:27.279 officials or those that deal with the 01:39:27.359 --> 01:39:29.399 council I'd say there's a difference 01:39:29.479 --> 01:39:32.439 between transpar transparency and 01:39:32.520 --> 01:39:35.800 confidentiality would that be agreed 01:39:35.880 --> 01:39:39.039 to through see through through Madame 01:39:39.119 --> 01:39:40.399 mayor counselors I think you need to 01:39:40.479 --> 01:39:42.319 make the the delineation there is 01:39:42.399 --> 01:39:44.359 privacy issues there's confidentiality 01:39:44.439 --> 01:39:46.520 issues and and then there's disrepute 01:39:46.600 --> 01:39:49.319 issues all of which are distinct 01:39:49.399 --> 01:39:51.720 issues that can be interrelated under 01:39:51.800 --> 01:39:54.399 under the code coun laws like staff 01:39:54.479 --> 01:39:56.960 have a responsibility to maintain confid 01:39:57.039 --> 01:39:59.520 confidentiality we also have the the 01:39:59.600 --> 01:40:02.159 responsibility to ensure that we're 01:40:02.239 --> 01:40:05.000 not bringing the organization into 01:40:05.079 --> 01:40:07.680 disrepute thank you I know that's a very 01:40:07.760 --> 01:40:10.600 broad answer but that's 01:40:10.680 --> 01:40:13.119 yeah so any further 01:40:13.199 --> 01:40:15.439 comments no further comments I'll put 01:40:15.520 --> 01:40:17.520 the recommendation then that is to 01:40:17.600 --> 01:40:20.079 receive the report for information is 01:40:20.159 --> 01:40:22.840 there anybody want to vote against if 01:40:22.920 --> 01:40:25.600 not I declare that carried unanimously 01:40:25.680 --> 01:40:30.039 we now move on to City development 01:40:30.119 --> 01:40:31.560 seal 01:40:31.640 --> 01:40:33.800 24300 SF 01:40:33.880 --> 01:40:39.760 10987 33 Forest Rogue K Kioloa page 01:40:39.840 --> 01:40:42.359 174 now this is one we had another 01:40:42.439 --> 01:40:46.560 deputation on tonight I will move the 01:40:46.640 --> 01:40:48.640 recommendation that was circulated to 01:40:48.720 --> 01:40:50.520 councilors during the 01:40:50.600 --> 01:40:54.920 week amended recommendation 01:40:55.000 --> 01:40:57.199 may may I make a comment then just to 01:40:57.279 --> 01:41:00.439 clarify yes yes so this is the one that 01:41:00.520 --> 01:41:02.159 was sent to us from staff during the 01:41:02.239 --> 01:41:04.960 week that they still have to do 01:41:05.039 --> 01:41:07.800 further assessment on the plans that 01:41:07.880 --> 01:41:10.600 were submitted with the larger lot size 01:41:10.680 --> 01:41:13.039 and get some further information 01:41:13.119 --> 01:41:15.560 back on that so we're moving that we 01:41:15.640 --> 01:41:18.119 support that the the new plans that have 01:41:18.199 --> 01:41:21.399 come in subject to Council 01:41:21.479 --> 01:41:24.359 completing their assessment of all of 01:41:24.439 --> 01:41:26.760 those plans and that this matter will be 01:41:26.840 --> 01:41:30.279 returned to the staff for 01:41:30.359 --> 01:41:32.239 determination so it will not come back 01:41:32.319 --> 01:41:33.359 to 01:41:33.439 --> 01:41:37.439 council that's fine so in moving that 01:41:37.520 --> 01:41:39.319 recommendation if the staff have got it 01:41:39.399 --> 01:41:41.920 up I just wish to speak to it I have 01:41:42.000 --> 01:41:44.199 spoken to many of the community members 01:41:44.279 --> 01:41:47.560 down at Kioloa who were quite 01:41:47.640 --> 01:41:49.520 concerned about this subdivision and 01:41:49.600 --> 01:41:52.279 have had meetings it was brought up 01:41:52.359 --> 01:41:55.239 at their last Seas CB meeting I think 01:41:55.319 --> 01:41:56.880 that the process that Council went 01:41:56.960 --> 01:41:59.840 through by talking to the applicant 01:41:59.920 --> 01:42:02.199 and all of the councilors together two 01:42:02.279 --> 01:42:06.119 weeks ago I think that has resolved a 01:42:06.199 --> 01:42:08.800 good outcome for everyone and the 01:42:08.880 --> 01:42:11.159 community down there can are very 01:42:11.239 --> 01:42:14.079 supportive as we heard in the deputation 01:42:14.159 --> 01:42:17.399 especially from the consultative the 01:42:17.479 --> 01:42:20.079 CCB where they get up to 80 people 01:42:20.159 --> 01:42:24.039 attending those meetings sometimes so 01:42:24.119 --> 01:42:27.119 we I'm happy to move it and I'm happy 01:42:27.199 --> 01:42:28.920 for it 01:42:29.000 --> 01:42:33.039 to yep and to move forward on this 01:42:33.119 --> 01:42:35.279 matter I'll go to councilor Johnston you 01:42:35.359 --> 01:42:38.239 have a question or wish to 01:42:38.319 --> 01:42:40.279 speak yes thank you very much Madam 01:42:40.359 --> 01:42:43.199 mayor I just wanted to make a record 01:42:43.279 --> 01:42:45.960 of I just think the value of Mr 01:42:46.039 --> 01:42:47.760 Andrew Taylor and his co-owners of the 01:42:47.840 --> 01:42:50.159 property for their their own ability to 01:42:50.239 --> 01:42:51.960 listen to the community and make the 01:42:52.039 --> 01:42:54.960 changes to make this better for all 01:42:55.039 --> 01:42:56.479 those involved so I just wanted to make 01:42:56.560 --> 01:42:58.119 that point I'm happy to second the 01:42:58.199 --> 01:43:01.199 motion thank you Council 01:43:01.279 --> 01:43:04.560 boy you're right so it's been seconded 01:43:04.640 --> 01:43:07.640 so is there any further discussion if 01:43:07.720 --> 01:43:10.000 not I'll put the recommendation anybody 01:43:10.079 --> 01:43:12.600 against the recommendation declare that 01:43:12.680 --> 01:43:13.760 carried 01:43:13.840 --> 01:43:16.359 unanimously so now we move 01:43:16.439 --> 01:43:21.039 to councilor Boyd on CL 01:43:21.119 --> 01:43:24.960 24357 Community Le Pro projects page 01:43:25.039 --> 01:43:31.079 192 36 oh sorry 356 01:43:33.680 --> 01:43:37.319 sorry c councelor i councelor boyd 01:43:37.399 --> 01:43:40.640 called it out didn't she no she oh I'm 01:43:40.720 --> 01:43:43.840 one ahead amem I sorry sorry Regal 01:43:43.920 --> 01:43:45.880 application H the regional application 01:43:45.960 --> 01:43:49.079 sorry Council Norris that's my 01:43:49.159 --> 01:43:51.279 mistake I'll call you councelor 01:43:51.359 --> 01:43:54.640 Norris thanks mayor w I did forward a 01:43:54.720 --> 01:43:57.039 question to director McIntyre sort of 01:43:57.119 --> 01:43:59.920 pertaining to this just noting the 01:44:00.000 --> 01:44:02.319 briefing we had the other week and if we 01:44:02.399 --> 01:44:04.319 needed to add another point but I don't 01:44:04.399 --> 01:44:05.760 think it's necessary at the moment so I 01:44:05.840 --> 01:44:07.159 will be moving the recommendation as 01:44:07.239 --> 01:44:10.359 printed thank you do I have a 01:44:10.439 --> 01:44:14.800 seconder council Boyd Council Proudfoot 01:44:14.880 --> 01:44:17.479 yeah thanks Madam chair I have some 01:44:17.560 --> 01:44:20.079 questions on this one when I was reading 01:44:20.159 --> 01:44:21.159 through the 01:44:21.239 --> 01:44:24.199 attachments which followed my reading 01:44:24.279 --> 01:44:26.880 of the report in the the business paper 01:44:26.960 --> 01:44:30.399 I was looking for financial 01:44:30.479 --> 01:44:32.000 implications 01:44:32.079 --> 01:44:34.520 and I was looking for some sort of 01:44:34.600 --> 01:44:36.039 certainty as 01:44:36.119 --> 01:44:39.520 to what was happening with this 01:44:39.600 --> 01:44:40.840 project 01:44:40.920 --> 01:44:44.960 now when I got to page 01:44:45.920 --> 01:44:50.560 196 it says there in paragraph five 01:44:50.640 --> 01:44:52.560 the proposal has a capital investment 01:44:52.640 --> 01:44:54.680 value of more than $5 01:44:54.760 --> 01:44:56.359 million 01:44:56.439 --> 01:45:01.239 now I'm just wondering how at this 01:45:01.319 --> 01:45:03.159 particular point in time how worthwhile 01:45:03.239 --> 01:45:06.600 that is to Embark upon a $5 million 01:45:06.680 --> 01:45:10.079 project when we know the the sort of 01:45:10.159 --> 01:45:13.079 finances that council is going through 01:45:13.159 --> 01:45:16.039 and I know that this is part of the 01:45:16.119 --> 01:45:19.439 waste budget of course but one would 01:45:19.520 --> 01:45:21.079 have thought that maybe this money could 01:45:21.159 --> 01:45:24.159 have been channeled into other Ventures 01:45:24.239 --> 01:45:28.039 that prepared in advance for the 01:45:28.119 --> 01:45:31.920 waste department if I just have some 01:45:32.000 --> 01:45:34.039 indication as to how far down the track 01:45:34.119 --> 01:45:37.399 we are are we are we locked into 01:45:37.479 --> 01:45:40.680 proceeding and where is the 5 million 01:45:40.760 --> 01:45:42.800 coming from and 01:45:42.880 --> 01:45:45.359 indeed it may well be better to pause 01:45:45.439 --> 01:45:47.680 the project and use that money elsewhere 01:45:47.760 --> 01:45:49.680 in the in the waste 01:45:49.760 --> 01:45:53.079 fund I'll go to the acting CEO and 01:45:53.159 --> 01:45:55.760 counselor sorry director 01:45:55.840 --> 01:45:57.840 McIntyre thank you Madame mayor 01:45:57.920 --> 01:45:59.960 counselor I'd make the point that 01:46:00.039 --> 01:46:02.520 Council council is acting as both the 01:46:02.600 --> 01:46:04.720 proponent the applicant and the 01:46:04.800 --> 01:46:06.079 assessment Authority although the 01:46:06.159 --> 01:46:08.560 regional panel is the approval Authority 01:46:08.640 --> 01:46:11.880 the gaining of a consent does not 01:46:11.960 --> 01:46:15.399 automatically push the the council into 01:46:15.479 --> 01:46:18.720 any position to undertake a project 01:46:18.800 --> 01:46:22.039 what it does do is secure a a formal 01:46:22.119 --> 01:46:24.960 consent or approval that will make 01:46:25.039 --> 01:46:25.840 the 01:46:25.920 --> 01:46:28.279 opportunities to review that project 01:46:28.359 --> 01:46:30.000 or undertake that project more 01:46:30.079 --> 01:46:33.359 successful and into the future so 01:46:33.439 --> 01:46:36.039 it doesn't necessarily commit Council to 01:46:36.119 --> 01:46:38.359 a $5 million spend that is a a separate 01:46:38.439 --> 01:46:40.520 decisionmaking process but an 01:46:40.600 --> 01:46:44.319 approval issued now will make any 01:46:44.399 --> 01:46:46.239 further amendments in the future easier 01:46:46.319 --> 01:46:47.760 for Council to pursue through 01:46:47.840 --> 01:46:49.720 modifications rather than having to 01:46:49.800 --> 01:46:52.520 commence on a whole new DA look in 01:46:52.600 --> 01:46:54.520 ter terms of the applicant side of 01:46:54.600 --> 01:46:56.840 things and the costings I'll I'll ask 01:46:56.920 --> 01:46:59.199 director McIntyre to comment three 01:46:59.279 --> 01:47:02.039 Madame mayor thank you acting CEO and 01:47:02.119 --> 01:47:03.680 Council PR foot you're absolutely 01:47:03.760 --> 01:47:06.439 right indeed when the council 01:47:06.520 --> 01:47:08.159 considered a report on the 28th of 01:47:08.239 --> 01:47:09.920 October which talked about funding model 01:47:10.000 --> 01:47:12.119 for the murf it was acknowledged then 01:47:12.199 --> 01:47:14.920 and it is acknowledged now that at the 01:47:15.000 --> 01:47:17.239 very least it is anticipated that that 01:47:17.319 --> 01:47:21.279 project will need to be scaled down 01:47:21.359 --> 01:47:23.439 if it proceeds at all 01:47:23.520 --> 01:47:25.199 if it proceeds it will be a decision of 01:47:25.279 --> 01:47:27.760 the council so any decision to move 01:47:27.840 --> 01:47:30.359 forward to fund that project and to 01:47:30.439 --> 01:47:32.039 accept the tender for example to build 01:47:32.119 --> 01:47:33.760 that project will be a decision of the 01:47:33.840 --> 01:47:35.479 elected Council and elected Council 01:47:35.560 --> 01:47:40.880 Alone so as Mr repre has said the 01:47:40.960 --> 01:47:42.960 the the mere issuing of a consent 01:47:43.039 --> 01:47:44.960 doesn't in and of itself give any green 01:47:45.039 --> 01:47:48.279 light to the council officers to build a 01:47:48.359 --> 01:47:51.479 development so why ask for the consent 01:47:51.560 --> 01:47:53.760 as an applicant 01:47:53.840 --> 01:47:56.199 given that the the costs associated 01:47:56.279 --> 01:47:58.399 with the application itself and the 01:47:58.479 --> 01:48:00.760 work necessary to develop the plans to 01:48:00.840 --> 01:48:02.920 support the application they are 01:48:03.000 --> 01:48:05.000 effectively a sunk cost so they have 01:48:05.079 --> 01:48:07.119 been committed they have been submitted 01:48:07.199 --> 01:48:10.680 to City development with a view to 01:48:10.760 --> 01:48:12.520 having that assessed City development 01:48:12.600 --> 01:48:13.920 has recommended tonight that the 01:48:14.000 --> 01:48:15.800 application be 01:48:15.880 --> 01:48:19.079 approved from a developer perspective it 01:48:19.159 --> 01:48:21.720 is often and in this case it is more 01:48:21.800 --> 01:48:24.520 advantageous to have a consent which 01:48:24.600 --> 01:48:27.159 could then potentially be modified if 01:48:27.239 --> 01:48:30.000 it's used at all but modified to be a 01:48:30.079 --> 01:48:32.600 more downscale development to be more 01:48:32.680 --> 01:48:34.359 commensurate with the funds that are now 01:48:34.439 --> 01:48:38.239 now available so in in a sense there is 01:48:38.319 --> 01:48:43.479 no net loss to the organization 01:48:43.560 --> 01:48:45.479 if it was the will of the council to 01:48:45.560 --> 01:48:48.119 approve this application financially 01:48:48.199 --> 01:48:50.000 and it certainly doesn't commit the 01:48:50.079 --> 01:48:51.880 the council nor the council staff to 01:48:51.960 --> 01:48:54.000 actually progressing the 01:48:54.079 --> 01:48:57.520 application so how long has Council 01:48:57.600 --> 01:49:00.840 gotten to move forward on the 01:49:00.920 --> 01:49:03.920 application should it be approved 01:49:04.000 --> 01:49:07.680 three three minut yes councilors the 01:49:07.760 --> 01:49:10.439 the time limit of a consent or the 01:49:10.520 --> 01:49:12.600 currency of a consent is typically for a 01:49:12.680 --> 01:49:15.199 maxim of 5 years under the 01:49:15.279 --> 01:49:16.479 environmental planning and Assessment 01:49:16.560 --> 01:49:19.439 Act that would be a recommendation made 01:49:19.520 --> 01:49:21.560 by the regional planning panel but it 01:49:21.640 --> 01:49:23.399 would be expected that the consent would 01:49:23.479 --> 01:49:25.439 remain current for a 5year period from 01:49:25.520 --> 01:49:28.520 the time it was issued so we we need to 01:49:28.600 --> 01:49:31.159 to ensure that if we're serious 01:49:31.239 --> 01:49:33.159 about the project that we actually do 01:49:33.239 --> 01:49:35.039 commence it we have the money available 01:49:35.119 --> 01:49:37.600 within a 5year window is that what we're 01:49:37.680 --> 01:49:40.399 saying yeah correct thanks thanks Madam 01:49:40.479 --> 01:49:43.640 chair so any further speakers in 01:49:43.720 --> 01:49:45.439 relation to the recommendation or 01:49:45.520 --> 01:49:47.800 questions if not I'll put the 01:49:47.880 --> 01:49:50.840 recommendation those in favor anybody 01:49:50.920 --> 01:49:53.319 against I declare that car 01:49:53.399 --> 01:49:55.640 unanimously now we'll go to council void 01:49:55.720 --> 01:49:58.760 for cl 01:49:58.840 --> 01:50:02.119 24357 Community Leed projects Council 01:50:02.199 --> 01:50:05.399 Boyd I just want to commend City 01:50:05.479 --> 01:50:07.439 Lifestyles for getting this these four 01:50:07.520 --> 01:50:09.520 attachments to get these four yeah 01:50:09.600 --> 01:50:12.079 attachments together to and showing that 01:50:12.159 --> 01:50:14.960 this process has been started I look 01:50:15.039 --> 01:50:18.359 forward to seeing it finished so that we 01:50:18.439 --> 01:50:21.199 can go ahead with community-led projects 01:50:21.279 --> 01:50:25.840 in confidence knowing that every all the 01:50:25.920 --> 01:50:28.279 te's are crossed and the eyes are dotted 01:50:28.359 --> 01:50:30.760 and there's no problems at all with risk 01:50:30.840 --> 01:50:33.720 or jeopardizing insurance 01:50:33.800 --> 01:50:36.479 cover so Council Boyd you're moving the 01:50:36.560 --> 01:50:39.279 recommendation yes it's been seconded by 01:50:39.359 --> 01:50:40.920 Council 01:50:41.000 --> 01:50:43.720 Proudfoot I certainly endorse Council 01:50:43.800 --> 01:50:46.600 Boyd's remarks certainly looking forward 01:50:46.680 --> 01:50:49.399 to seeing projects such as construction 01:50:49.479 --> 01:50:53.720 of foot paaths fences drains painting 01:50:53.800 --> 01:50:56.359 Power Plbing planning 01:50:56.439 --> 01:50:59.520 subcontracting all given a gery and all 01:50:59.600 --> 01:51:02.159 be able to be applied for on a 01:51:02.239 --> 01:51:05.239 council portal without a great deal 01:51:05.319 --> 01:51:08.279 of fuss and I know notice there on page 01:51:08.359 --> 01:51:10.479 196 under risk implications when you 01:51:10.560 --> 01:51:13.119 read through there I think the main risk 01:51:13.199 --> 01:51:14.479 is that of the empowerment of the 01:51:14.560 --> 01:51:16.520 community and we must ensure that that 01:51:16.600 --> 01:51:20.840 risk doesn't come to fruition as a 01:51:20.920 --> 01:51:23.560 reality the whole idea of this is we 01:51:23.640 --> 01:51:25.239 work with our community that our 01:51:25.319 --> 01:51:27.479 community is the council they are the 01:51:27.560 --> 01:51:29.199 council and I know it may well be on 01:51:29.279 --> 01:51:30.720 Council land but that's Community Land 01:51:30.800 --> 01:51:33.000 that's on I know often it's operational 01:51:33.079 --> 01:51:34.920 land but technically speaking it's owned 01:51:35.000 --> 01:51:36.800 by the community and we and when 01:51:36.880 --> 01:51:38.640 Community organizations want to get 01:51:38.720 --> 01:51:41.800 together and do projects let's encourage 01:51:41.880 --> 01:51:43.199 them let's not put up any barriers 01:51:43.279 --> 01:51:45.720 whatsoever let's make sure we can do it 01:51:45.800 --> 01:51:48.600 protect them with Works safe 01:51:48.680 --> 01:51:51.520 practices for sure have licensed trades 01:51:51.600 --> 01:51:54.319 people doing the work and let's maximize 01:51:54.399 --> 01:51:55.880 the in kind we can get out of our 01:51:55.960 --> 01:51:57.520 citizens and not stand in their way and 01:51:57.600 --> 01:51:58.720 that's what this is all about I'm 01:51:58.800 --> 01:52:01.159 looking forward to this thing getting 01:52:01.239 --> 01:52:03.239 up and running as a council portal where 01:52:03.319 --> 01:52:06.359 the where applicants just go online 01:52:06.439 --> 01:52:08.640 apply a council staffer comes out sees 01:52:08.720 --> 01:52:10.520 them ticks the box say way you go get 01:52:10.600 --> 01:52:12.800 your grip together simple as that thanks 01:52:12.880 --> 01:52:14.560 Madam chair thank you is there any 01:52:14.640 --> 01:52:17.239 further speakers or any further 01:52:17.319 --> 01:52:20.720 questions if not I will put the 01:52:20.800 --> 01:52:22.920 recommendation is there anybody wishing 01:52:23.000 --> 01:52:25.880 to vote against if not I'll declare it 01:52:25.960 --> 01:52:28.239 carried unanimously thank 01:52:28.319 --> 01:52:30.960 you your urgency matter 01:52:31.039 --> 01:52:34.199 councel yes it's time you then to tell 01:52:34.279 --> 01:52:35.760 me what the matter of urgency not less 01:52:35.840 --> 01:52:37.760 urgent 01:52:37.840 --> 01:52:41.039 now it's a matter of urgency Mr 01:52:41.119 --> 01:52:44.520 Bernie Ryan from Mary Beach Caravan Park 01:52:44.600 --> 01:52:45.920 van 01:52:46.000 --> 01:52:47.479 524 01:52:47.560 --> 01:52:51.640 Bernie's a a visually impaired person 01:52:51.720 --> 01:52:54.000 close to being fully blind and he's 01:52:54.079 --> 01:52:56.039 living at the Caravan park there and 01:52:56.119 --> 01:52:58.640 under the previous owners under this is 01:52:58.720 --> 01:53:01.399 Mr Ryan's allegations under the previous 01:53:01.479 --> 01:53:04.039 owners he worked with them with an 01:53:04.119 --> 01:53:06.359 approved da to put a a fence at the rear 01:53:06.439 --> 01:53:08.600 of his property which is at the back of 01:53:08.680 --> 01:53:09.399 the 01:53:09.479 --> 01:53:12.920 park to give him greater Comfort 01:53:13.000 --> 01:53:14.560 there because people were coming through 01:53:14.640 --> 01:53:17.680 there and and doing fairly unsocial 01:53:17.760 --> 01:53:20.479 type of things with his barbecue and 01:53:20.560 --> 01:53:24.039 equipment and the new AR has taken over 01:53:24.119 --> 01:53:25.039 and 01:53:25.119 --> 01:53:27.119 allegedly they've got another da and 01:53:27.199 --> 01:53:29.119 they've told him to pull that work down 01:53:29.199 --> 01:53:31.640 and and he's very very distressed and he 01:53:31.720 --> 01:53:33.239 says this is happening right through the 01:53:33.319 --> 01:53:36.920 park there's a new owner called inor and 01:53:37.000 --> 01:53:38.840 he he wants a council staff to get there 01:53:38.920 --> 01:53:40.359 as soon as they possibly can because 01:53:40.439 --> 01:53:42.600 he's quite distressed he's very 01:53:42.680 --> 01:53:45.800 emotional man who struggles to get 01:53:45.880 --> 01:53:48.680 around and there it's it's interfered 01:53:48.760 --> 01:53:52.159 with the amenity of of his living and so 01:53:52.239 --> 01:53:54.039 it's there's great Community interest in 01:53:54.119 --> 01:53:57.560 this and that's why I've raised this now 01:53:57.640 --> 01:54:00.359 so I'll move urgency on it so what is 01:54:00.439 --> 01:54:01.319 your 01:54:01.399 --> 01:54:04.279 recommendation I moved that Council 01:54:04.359 --> 01:54:06.960 sent out a the appropriate staff person 01:54:07.039 --> 01:54:10.600 to liaz with Mr to R and to talk to the 01:54:10.680 --> 01:54:13.880 Eng Junior people in an Endeavor to 01:54:13.960 --> 01:54:17.840 sort out the The Da facts and come to 01:54:17.920 --> 01:54:18.840 a 01:54:18.920 --> 01:54:21.079 resolution all right so if you move that 01:54:21.159 --> 01:54:23.119 can I 01:54:23.199 --> 01:54:26.399 have a second please councelor Cox do 01:54:26.479 --> 01:54:29.239 you wish to speak to it councelor 01:54:29.319 --> 01:54:31.640 Proudfoot no I think I've said enough is 01:54:31.720 --> 01:54:33.359 very distressed and needs some sort of 01:54:33.439 --> 01:54:36.119 assistance and and I will move 01:54:36.199 --> 01:54:39.520 urgency on it in fact that the U Mr Ryan 01:54:39.600 --> 01:54:42.359 is blind and he's having his amenity for 01:54:42.439 --> 01:54:46.960 his living is being interrupted by 01:54:47.039 --> 01:54:49.319 the council da and we need to get it 01:54:49.399 --> 01:54:52.920 further investigated thank you compelled 01:54:53.000 --> 01:54:57.279 to just that Council direct 01:54:57.359 --> 01:55:01.279 St yes sorry you can't we can't 01:55:01.359 --> 01:55:03.239 direct staff so you'll have to put that 01:55:03.319 --> 01:55:05.359 the 01:55:05.439 --> 01:55:10.760 CEO that no that was that was CEO yes to 01:55:10.840 --> 01:55:15.600 assess liaison with Mr Ryan in an 01:55:15.680 --> 01:55:18.960 Endeavor to reach dispute 01:55:19.039 --> 01:55:20.840 resolution so you're happy with that 01:55:20.920 --> 01:55:24.039 councilor Proudfoot for ex stud thank 01:55:24.119 --> 01:55:26.720 you all right and I have a second for 01:55:26.800 --> 01:55:29.640 that don't I yes you're happy with that 01:55:29.720 --> 01:55:32.520 councilor Cox yep all right with that 01:55:32.600 --> 01:55:34.920 I'll put the recommendation anybody 01:55:35.000 --> 01:55:36.640 wishing to vote 01:55:36.720 --> 01:55:40.560 against I declare that carried thank you 01:55:40.640 --> 01:55:43.359 so that's the finish of the 01:55:43.439 --> 01:55:45.600 business paper except for the 01:55:45.680 --> 01:55:49.039 confidential so I will need a 01:55:49.119 --> 01:55:51.000 motion to move into confidential I need 01:55:51.079 --> 01:55:53.399 a mve in a seconder so moved by 01:55:53.479 --> 01:55:55.920 councilor Clancy seconded by councelor 01:55:56.000 --> 01:55:59.319 Wilkins is the CEO aware of any 01:55:59.399 --> 01:56:01.880 written representations from the public 01:56:01.960 --> 01:56:03.720 on the proposed closure of the meeting 01:56:03.800 --> 01:56:06.479 or receive a or received a request to 01:56:06.560 --> 01:56:11.399 speak on an item in the confidential 01:56:11.479 --> 01:56:15.560 paper are you I'm not no oh sorry madam 01:56:15.640 --> 01:56:18.680 J previous did you get ban 524 for the 01:56:18.760 --> 01:56:20.279 previous motion I'll let you give it to 01:56:20.359 --> 01:56:22.880 the staff afterwards right doesn't 01:56:22.960 --> 01:56:25.239 interfere in the minutes 01:56:25.319 --> 01:56:27.760 all right so I'll put the 01:56:27.840 --> 01:56:29.319 recommendation that we move into 01:56:29.399 --> 01:56:32.039 confidential is anybody voting against 01:56:32.119 --> 01:56:35.279 that no so it's declared carried that 01:56:35.359 --> 01:56:37.720 we move unanimously that we move into 01:56:37.800 --> 01:56:42.199 confidential so the I'll just wait till 01:56:43.600 --> 01:56:47.840 everybody so the meeting has been 01:56:47.920 --> 01:56:50.439 R opened into public session I request 01:56:50.520 --> 01:56:52.159 that the general manager read out to the 01:56:52.239 --> 01:56:54.399 the public the resolutions in the closed 01:56:54.479 --> 01:56:57.399 session thank you acting CEO thank you 01:56:57.479 --> 01:57:00.960 mayor Council LA's Gallery within 01:57:01.039 --> 01:57:03.359 the confidential session Council 01:57:03.439 --> 01:57:06.039 resolved that one Council endorses the 01:57:06.119 --> 01:57:07.640 recommendation of the tender EV 01:57:07.720 --> 01:57:10.039 evaluation panel and accepts the tender 01:57:10.119 --> 01:57:13.399 from leering PTY LTD trading as Mi 01:57:13.479 --> 01:57:15.760 Engineers partnering with Kellogg Brown 01:57:15.840 --> 01:57:19.079 and root ptyltd for the East Nara 01:57:19.159 --> 01:57:22.399 subarterial Road in Brackets ensa 01:57:22.479 --> 01:57:24.520 project management and Design Services 01:57:24.600 --> 01:57:27.319 at a total cost of 01:57:27.399 --> 01:57:28.920 $2,442 01:57:29.000 --> 01:57:33.840 n99 and2 cents excluding GST and two the 01:57:33.920 --> 01:57:35.359 contract docents and any other 01:57:35.439 --> 01:57:37.479 Associated docents to be executed on 01:57:37.560 --> 01:57:39.319 behalf of the council in accordance with 01:57:39.399 --> 01:57:41.479 the local government General regulation 01:57:41.560 --> 01:57:46.399 2021 section 165 by the CEO in Brackets 01:57:46.479 --> 01:57:48.840 director of city 01:57:48.920 --> 01:57:51.720 services with that I will close 01:57:51.800 --> 01:57:53.199 the meeting and thank everyone for 01:57:53.279 --> 01:57:57.159 attending thank you