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Walawaani Shoalhaven City Council

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recognizes the first peoples of the 

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Shoalhaven and their ongoing connection to

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culture and country we acknowledge

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Aboriginal people as the traditional

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owners custodians and lawkeepers of the

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world's oldest living culture and pay

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respects to Elders past present and

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emerging Walawaani and Njindiwana safe

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journey to you all now we'll have a

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moment

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silence and reflection

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thank you very much and now we'll have

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the Australian national anthem

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Australians all let us rejoice 

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for we are one and free

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with golden soil and wealth for toil

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our home is girt by sea

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our land abounds in natures gifts 

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of beauty rich and rare

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 in history's page let every stage

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Advance  Australia Fair

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in joyful strains then let us sing

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Advance  Australia Fair

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thank you

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 now we'll open with the  apologies

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and leave of absence i know we do it has

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been noted that we do have several

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joining us online but  apologies from

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Mayor White who's been forced to take a

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little bit longer with her leave and a

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bit of an update she hasn't had the

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operation on her  elbow or her

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shoulder and collarbone yet but

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she's going to in about a month she

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needs a plate inserted  after that

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fall  so hopefully she'll be  back

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in action very very soon she's sounding

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bright and  I think she is 

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monitoring proceedings tonight so we'll

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welcome back Mayor White very very

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soon now we'll have the confirmation of

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minutes from the last meeting the

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ordinary meeting of the 13th of May 2025

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do I have a mover moved by councelor Cox

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seconded by councelor Casmiri a

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declaration of

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interests council  councelor Dunn

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sorry I was a declaration a conflict of

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interest sorry that's

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you're coming in loud and clear would

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you just like to elaborate on that

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please councelor Dunn yeah so I have a

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non-percuniary significant

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 conflict of interest with the

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rescission motion

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CL25.152 and then the subsequent

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CL25 one oh sorry read the wrong number

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CL25158 and CL25159

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thank you

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 the presentation of petitions

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many petitions tonight

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mr excuse me  councelor Dunn we just

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need a reason why you have  the

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conflict of interest

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sorry  due to being a director and

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manager of the neighboring building

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thank you councelor Dunn  presentation

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of petitions council

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Krikstolaitis theme chair  this one has

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been sent through to council but 

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where it hasn't been printed off  a

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petition of 306

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 signatures asking for I can read

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the whole thing or can just 

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briefly saying wish to review councilor

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expenses  noting our expenses are

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three times higher than comparable

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councils  acknowledging support of

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elected councils in carrying out our

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duties effectively however we believe

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there's a fair and cost effective

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solution to reduce travel claims

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and several other points as well which

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have been  have been sent as I said

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through to council and all councils

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thank you

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there's nothing to physically you don't

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have a physical 

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copy thank you

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okay digital copy only  thank you

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councelor

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Krikstolaitis and now I'd like to introduce

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a transparent petition sorry I've got a

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petition as well oh my apologies

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councelor Clancy so I have a petition 

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here from the Shoalhaven Heads Community

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558 signatures um regarding the Shaw

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Haven River entrance management plan 

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we were asking that council amend the

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draft entrance management plan policy to

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include 0.1 intervention action to

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commence on the Bureau of Meteorology

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hoodwatch  and when the river reaches

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 1.5 m

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AHD,2 maintenance of the dry notch at

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1.8 8 AHD and sand  yeah sand berry

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height of 2 m

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AHD sorry sand berm height of  2 m AHD

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point three publish survey information

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on the dry notch maintenance on the

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council website in a timely manner point

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four a dredged channel leading towards

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the entrance breakout point to

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complement efficiencies of the entrance

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process and point five a trial period of

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these changes for a period of five

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floods

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where's the

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 Thank you Councelor Clancy now I'd

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like to move a procedural mayoral minute

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on the recent disaster declarations in

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the mid north coast region could I have

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a second for that please councelor Cox

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and the recommendation is that the

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council note  the natural disaster

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declarations in the mid north coast and

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Hunter LGAS following the recent

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weather events across New South Wales

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and write to each council to express our

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support and offer any assistance we may

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be able to provide  aid in their

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recovery efforts the Shoalhaven is

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certainly no stranger to disaster having

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had 15  natural disasters in recent

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times and no doubt many in the region

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were watching the bomb  with great

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interest as perhaps it looked as though

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it may arrive on our doorstep but we

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certainly dodged a bullet there but our

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hearts go out to  particularly our

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friends in  the sister council of

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the the mid coast and to Kempsy and all

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the others  for the pain the suffering

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and the pure disaster that it is and at

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last report  there was something like

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800 uninhabitable homes  over 50,000

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initially were isolated it's now around

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10,000 though that figure might

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oscillate  there's there is a housing

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crisis of a of a different  notion of

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course based on those uninhabitable

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homes and ones they're going to be

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discovering because I think they've only

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 looked at or examined about 5,000 

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properties so far so that number is 

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is going to increase there's pressure on

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um on housing accommodation and they've

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set up centers the the respective

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ministers including the prime minister

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did arrive there today and so we  we

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put a collective arm around the mid

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north coast council and also Belligan 

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Central Coast Cessnok Clarence Valley

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Coffs Harbour Dungog Kempsy Lake MacQuarie

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Maitland Nambucca Newcastle Port McQuarie

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Port Stevens Singleton and the Upper

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Hunter and we will write to each of

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those affected councils to offer our

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support and any assistance we're able to

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provide to aid in the recovery effort so

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our best wishes to  particularly 

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the Mid Coast and Mayor Claire Pontton

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who has a close association with this

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council and  our hearts go out to you

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any  do I have a seconder seconded by

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Councelor Clancy

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 any dissenting

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views  I take that as carried thank

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you very

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much so we now move on to deputations

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and presentations and we have  several

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tonight  the first addressing the

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rescission motion CL

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25152 post exhibition report planning

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proposal 131 St Vincent Street Ulladulla

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now we have a shared  presentation I

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believe at last report from Miss

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Alexandra Arnold and Ms Sophie Quinn 

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so could you come and address the

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meeting

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please make sure it's the right height

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this time

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sophie thank you good evening my name is

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Sophie Quinn i'm a consultant town

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planner representing the proponent i'm

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accompanied by Alexander Arnold from the

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Fleming Group the proponent who will

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speak second this proposal represents a

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transformative vision for Aladala this

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is a generational change the community

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have been consulted and we are now at

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the final stage

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so firstly what is being considered

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today today is about formalization of

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the PP which was endorsed in principle

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by council 12 months ago it is not about

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restarting an exploration of land use

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height or density it is not about

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reopening consideration of the loss of

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industrial land in fact the department's

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gateway assessment report and I quote

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from it looks into this issue in detail

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and says the site is adjacent to

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existing residential community

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facilities bulky goods stores and is not

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considered suitable for industrial

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development particularly heavy industry

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the first step after the PP is endorsed

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is to formalize an architectural design

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and then have that design assessed by

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air quality and noise experts traffic

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specialists engineers landscape

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architects and urban designers as part

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of preparing the documents for a DA

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there is an iterative process between

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the technical specialists and the

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architectural design so that the design

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can best serve the amenity of future

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residents and ensure that the building

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on site or the buildings on site can

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coexist with their neighbors by

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supporting the motion tonight you are

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not kicking forward issues to the DA but

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you are enabling design to evolve in an

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appropriate and logical way which

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considers its context this is exactly

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what the department of planning have

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asked to happen in their gateway

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report it is simply pointless to do a

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peer review now based on a concept plan

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that is not at the stage that a DA plan

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would need to be we are going to do all

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of these reports again when we're more

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confident about how the site will be

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redeveloped now the question of

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suitability this has in fact already

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been resolved in the technical studies

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that are before you the planning

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proposal was considered by council 12

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months ago we received in principal

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support for the transformation of the

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site this was then considered by the

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department of planning their specialists

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weighed up the facts they also agreed

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that the zoning heights and FSR were a

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good outcome and it should proceed i

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remind you now that the department

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removed the requirement for peer review

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of the technical studies they simply did

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not think it was necessary and said it

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should wait till the

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DA

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the sorry  following the gateway when

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the planning proposal was referred to

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state agencies including the EPA they

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were supportive of the change to the

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zoning the height and the FSR the need

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for peerreview studies was not suggested

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yet the council staff continue to press

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that the peer review of our technical

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studies is integral to understanding the

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site suitability this is misinformed as

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we know from practice and from the

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technical reports that have been

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provided that the building can be

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purposely designed and built to manage

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the interface with industrial

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development and that this will ensure

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that the future development is suitable

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for the

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site lastly the community has been given

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two opportunities to consider the PP

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we've presented the to the Alladala

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community forum twice as well there are

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no petitions here there is no outcry

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against this development theu the

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community are supportive and they've

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told us that they want to see change and

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investment up not out density done well

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that's exactly what they've asked for

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and that's exactly what this delivers so

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I urge you to consider to support this

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proposal as it enters its next very

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exciting phase of development

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application which will have rigorous

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technical review a responsive design and

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plenty of opportunity for community

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council and stakeholder engagement

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thank you Sophie um Alexandra

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councilors I speak this evening in

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support of our yours and mine shared

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commitment to housing banin's other

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dollar are relocating their premises it

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is not a matter of if but

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when we are acutely aware of the housing

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challenges in Shoalhaven but

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particularly in Aladala including Milton

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and surrounding villages so what will

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happen to this site when Bunnings

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relocates more fast food

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retailers another big box liquor outlet

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what a sad limit of

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imagination this sentiment is echoed

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quietly by the community for example

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just last week Matt Dell president of

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Business Milton Alladala stated in his

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question at the South Coast Community

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Cabinet that Alladala is often for the

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forgotten one our vision for the site is

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different and the transition presents a

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unique opportunity to reimagine the site

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and address the needs of the community

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our number one focus is

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housing and housing for locals that

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increases affordable dwellings and

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provides housing options for young

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adults single parents and downsizers it

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represents the community's desire of up

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not out to achieve higher density where

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it should be in town centers away from

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our valued coastlines rural fringe and

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parks that's  excuse me Alexandra

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that's time  should I seek an

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extension there yes we have an extension

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thank you thank you it represents  we

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are all aware of the shortage of housing

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and the challenges of meeting housing

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targets based on current supply we are

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all aware that we are growing the fact

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that Bunnings have recognized that they

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need larger premises can be taken as

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confirmation that Allad dollar is

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growing housing is a shared

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responsibility of local state and

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federal government the recent federal

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election has been coined the cost of

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living election and housing

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affordability and availability were key

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issues for all parties we have said from

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early on that we want to work with the

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community and council on this project

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and share the vision to achieve density

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done well this planning proposal has

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been on foot for some time the former

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council voted nine out of 11 in favor

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for the planning proposal to proceed to

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gateway whilst only three of the former

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counselors remain counselors today we

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believe there is still a shared

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commitment to

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housing and if there isn't there needs

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to be because young families living in

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caravan parks and single moms looking

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for rentals on Airbnb because they can't

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find a permanent rental longer than 6

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months is just not good enough

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supporting this motion tonight is voting

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for housing which was a part of many of

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your election campaigns thank you 

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thank you Alexandra thank you Sophie now

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do we have  some questions please from

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the floor council Proudfoot  thanks Mr

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chair  through you Mr chair to

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Sophie now should this recision motion

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 go through  can you take us through

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the the anticipated process that would

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follow in terms of private certifier

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perhaps in terms of  joint regional

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planning panel maybe a state significant

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development where do you see it going

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from here

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sure  thanks for the question

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counselor um there are many different

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ways that the site could progress from

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here given that we're looking at a very

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significant development in terms of the

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overall scale and the investment in the

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area being upwards probably of $und00

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million it will trigger state

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significant development that has a EIS

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and environmental impact statement

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requirement council is still very much

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involved in the process but the planning

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assessment is managed by the department

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of planning they have a specialist team

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that deals with large housing and mixed

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use precincts of this scale um and that

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EIS requirement is similar to an EIS

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that you would get for a environmental

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 matter or say a road duplication

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there is a different burden of proof in

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terms of the  technical studies that

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are required to accompany it and a

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scoping document is received before we

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can even proceed so um there are many

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steps to the process there is many

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opportunities for the council staff to

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be involved even if it is state

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significant development and that's the

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way that it proceeds  in terms of the

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question about a private certifier it

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it's a really long way off um that would

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be a decision when we're nearing

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construction there's no private

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certification of the DA process  that

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is all still very much government

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controlled um at at this scale 

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because it is such a significant

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development

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thank you so much  a follow-up

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question during your address you refer

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referred to building or buildings  can

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you comment on the expected articulation

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that this type of development would

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provide sure  we have um multiple

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heights across the site which step from

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south to north to accommodate a

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diversity of building heights and it

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respect what's going on to the north in

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terms of zoning and existing development

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the master plan that's before council as

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part of the planning proposal is and and

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it's mentioned throughout for example

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throughout the department of planning's

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gateway assessment report which if you

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haven't read it's a really important

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assessment that's been undertaken

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separately to council's assessment

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report by some very talented and

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experienced planners at the department

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and it's indicative right it's to show

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the heights and FSRs that we're seeking

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in the leap it's not a DA it's not plans

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that will necessarily go to DA those

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plans are worked out after we get the

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zoning changes through so the number of

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buildings on site it won't be one

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building because the site's far too

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large for that to achieve requirements

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with things like solar access and and

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natural ventilation and the like that

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are are necessary um it will be multiple

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buildings but the format of those

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buildings will be ultimately determined

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as part of the technical assessments

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that will be undertaken so for example

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the um air quality assessment has

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specific recommendations for built form

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outcomes that will actually improve the

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interface with the concrete batching

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plant because a built structure will

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provide an a built form buffer and

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that's not there at the moment and so

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this development can actually make imp

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significant improvements in terms of the

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overall um interface between industrial

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and mixed use so finally what is what is

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the body of evidence that would support

00:23:05.559 --> 00:23:08.216
 would allow the market to support

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such a large development as this  a

00:23:10.960 --> 00:23:13.176
feasibility assessment was undertaken at

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council's request it's it's a fairly

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unusual thing to to be requested to

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provide at the planning proposal stage

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um but it was part of the scoping

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request and we did provide it and it is

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part of the the body of work there um

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given the scale and the number of units

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that are likely to be provided I would

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anticipate that it would be a staged

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development over a number of years um

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which which anything of this scale any

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precinct in any city you're not going to

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release that number of units and and

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amount of gross floor area to the market

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in one go because it it would simply

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just not work so it will be staged

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appropriately according to market demand

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thank you  thank you councelor

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Proudfoot councelor Boyd

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um hi thanks for all of that

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um you've said the allara allidala forum

00:24:03.360 --> 00:24:06.360
had agreed that with this concept and

00:24:08.080 --> 00:24:10.535
the planning proposal there was more to

00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:13.176
that have you have have you are you

00:24:13.200 --> 00:24:15.816
aware of the um motion that was passed

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at that very large meeting i I wasn't at

00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:20.936
the meeting but I am aware and and it is

00:24:20.960 --> 00:24:22.696
actually part of the submissions that

00:24:22.720 --> 00:24:25.416
were received to the planning proposal

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um and the community forum did support

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it there was an alternative motion that

00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:33.559
was considered at the meeting but there

00:24:33.760 --> 00:24:36.760
was large support um once the community

00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:39.096
had a better understanding of the

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proposal our architect was there and

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presented to the community that night um

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I I'm disappointed that I missed it it

00:24:46.880 --> 00:24:49.880
sounded like a very interesting meeting

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but for something of this scale to have

00:24:53.200 --> 00:24:56.200
as few submissions as we have is a very

00:24:56.880 --> 00:24:59.655
much a sign that the community is

00:24:59.679 --> 00:25:02.056
supportive of this in in my opinion

00:25:02.080 --> 00:25:04.376
professionally okay so you're not aware

00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:06.696
that there was a stipulation that they

00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:08.456
were only interested in going to six

00:25:08.480 --> 00:25:10.255
floors

00:25:10.279 --> 00:25:13.279
not six at the very most  that hasn't

00:25:14.080 --> 00:25:16.296
come through in their submission and and

00:25:16.320 --> 00:25:18.936
can I add that the heights were really

00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:20.696
considered before the gateway the

00:25:20.720 --> 00:25:23.255
gateway really did establish the heights

00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:25.655
and and the built form outcomes and that

00:25:25.679 --> 00:25:27.336
meeting that you're referring to was in

00:25:27.360 --> 00:25:30.360
February this year so a significant way

00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:33.336
into the whole development of of this

00:25:33.360 --> 00:25:36.360
application thank you  thank you

00:25:36.640 --> 00:25:39.640
councelor Boyd councelor Kemp

00:25:40.960 --> 00:25:43.960
thank you Sophie and Alexander for your

00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:47.279
deputation um look I just want to know

00:25:47.440 --> 00:25:50.056
how many there's three staged areas of

00:25:50.080 --> 00:25:51.736
different heights is that correct

00:25:51.760 --> 00:25:54.296
correct yep yep and how many units in

00:25:54.320 --> 00:25:57.320
total when they're all done  182 is

00:25:57.679 --> 00:26:00.135
what the expectation is based on the

00:26:00.159 --> 00:26:02.456
current format but that would depend on

00:26:02.480 --> 00:26:04.535
how many one-bedroom units you provide

00:26:04.559 --> 00:26:06.535
versus how many three-bedroom units so

00:26:06.559 --> 00:26:09.015
those are matters really for the DA

00:26:09.039 --> 00:26:12.039
these are indicative to help understand

00:26:12.159 --> 00:26:15.015
how many people could occupy the site

00:26:15.039 --> 00:26:18.039
and to allow impacts to be considered as

00:26:18.080 --> 00:26:20.856
part of the reasonzoning process okay so

00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:23.816
there's 182 units in total how many of

00:26:23.840 --> 00:26:26.616
them will be what they call affordable

00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:29.640
and will they be rentals or for sale so

00:26:29.679 --> 00:26:32.456
there's 50 affordable housing units

00:26:32.480 --> 00:26:34.376
proposed with a voluntary planning

00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:37.336
agreement um and there's 10 further that

00:26:37.360 --> 00:26:40.360
would be for sale  to key workers the

00:26:40.880 --> 00:26:43.255
50 affordable would be rented through a

00:26:43.279 --> 00:26:45.816
community housing provider um and there

00:26:45.840 --> 00:26:48.135
are stipulations there's a a covenant

00:26:48.159 --> 00:26:50.056
put on title  and there are

00:26:50.080 --> 00:26:52.296
stipulations in terms of who they can be

00:26:52.320 --> 00:26:54.535
rented to and there are all sorts of

00:26:54.559 --> 00:26:56.056
different requirements on community

00:26:56.080 --> 00:26:58.696
housing providers to ensure that they

00:26:58.720 --> 00:27:01.720
have a mixture of residents so they

00:27:01.760 --> 00:27:04.760
might it's so that there is um a true

00:27:04.880 --> 00:27:07.880
representation of of those housing needs

00:27:07.919 --> 00:27:10.456
 managed through the community housing

00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:13.480
provider thank you and so the covenant

00:27:13.760 --> 00:27:16.760
means that 50 affordable housing units

00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:19.960
will be available for rent and 10 of

00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:23.000
those will be for sale correct okay

00:27:23.120 --> 00:27:25.255
thank you very much thank you councelor

00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:28.279
Kemp and Councelor Krikstolaitis

00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:30.535
 thank you Mr chair and and thank you

00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:32.936
very much well spoken as always same as

00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:35.960
last week um my questions relates to you

00:27:36.320 --> 00:27:39.320
have a a deadline on the RPP of the 10th

00:27:39.600 --> 00:27:42.135
of September is that right correct are

00:27:42.159 --> 00:27:43.895
we likely to meet that noting that

00:27:43.919 --> 00:27:45.255
Bunnings is not going to move for

00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:47.816
another 12 to 18 months so the deadline

00:27:47.840 --> 00:27:50.535
is for the finalization of the resoning

00:27:50.559 --> 00:27:52.336
so we've still

00:27:52.360 --> 00:27:54.696
got conservatively after we get a

00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:57.720
reasoning we've still got maybe 6 to 12

00:27:58.399 --> 00:28:01.399
months of these technical studies and DA

00:28:01.520 --> 00:28:03.895
preparation and then we lodge a DA and

00:28:03.919 --> 00:28:06.775
the DA is assessed so we want those time

00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:09.496
periods to run concurrently with

00:28:09.520 --> 00:28:11.176
Bunnings i'm speaking obviously on

00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:13.816
behalf of the land owner but from a from

00:28:13.840 --> 00:28:16.840
a economic and efficient use of land we

00:28:17.600 --> 00:28:19.976
don't want that we don't want we we want

00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:21.736
to align it with when Bunnings will

00:28:21.760 --> 00:28:24.296
leave so that there can be a turnover

00:28:24.320 --> 00:28:27.320
for example Bunnings employs 70

00:28:27.360 --> 00:28:29.416
full-time equivalent 60 sorry full-time

00:28:29.440 --> 00:28:31.416
equivalent staff at the moment we don't

00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:33.255
want to see the site vacant this site

00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:36.279
introduces I think like 190 new jobs so

00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:38.456
there should we should try and have as

00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:40.775
little crossover in terms of the job

00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:43.336
creation of the site as possible

00:28:43.360 --> 00:28:45.416
wonderful thank you and  I applaud

00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:48.440
that very much the next question as a we

00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:53.240
diametric places here is a um would you

00:28:55.039 --> 00:28:58.039
support do you think a deadline on what

00:28:58.320 --> 00:28:59.976
council staff have recommended for the

00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:02.056
 for their studies which would

00:29:02.080 --> 00:29:04.216
continue on create that continuation

00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:07.240
that timeline um concurrence i in my

00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:09.895
professional opinion as a consultant

00:29:09.919 --> 00:29:11.655
that works on multiddisciplinary

00:29:11.679 --> 00:29:14.616
projects all the time I I know that

00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:16.535
council suggested council staff

00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:18.375
suggested that it might take 3 months

00:29:18.399 --> 00:29:20.936
for a peer review to be undertaken I I

00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:22.456
would disagree with that we would have

00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:25.176
to go through a process of scoping and

00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:27.176
sending it to a few consultants to then

00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:29.736
get a fee proposal back assess those fee

00:29:29.760 --> 00:29:31.976
proposals make a recommendation of which

00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:34.216
one we would prefer and then have the

00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:36.616
peer review undertaken and I don't

00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:38.056
actually think that that can be done

00:29:38.080 --> 00:29:41.015
before September and I had put a request

00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:42.936
to council strategic planning staff

00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:45.336
after the last meeting to discuss with

00:29:45.360 --> 00:29:47.576
them seeking an extension from the

00:29:47.600 --> 00:29:50.296
department of planning for that gateway

00:29:50.320 --> 00:29:51.576
because I just don't think it's

00:29:51.600 --> 00:29:53.576
achievable understood thank you very

00:29:53.600 --> 00:29:56.375
much thank you councelor Krikstolaitis

00:29:56.399 --> 00:29:59.399
councelor Johnston

00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:01.736
um I was just about to put my hand down

00:30:01.760 --> 00:30:03.336
because councelor Cricsters asked my

00:30:03.360 --> 00:30:05.176
question thank you okay thank you

00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:08.200
councelor Norris

00:30:08.399 --> 00:30:10.216
so the deputation apologies I'm not

00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:12.535
there tonight um has Bunnings given you

00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:13.976
guys an indication of when they'll be

00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:16.936
ready to move out i might throw to Alex

00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:19.960
on that

00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:23.976
thank Thank you for the question  not

00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:27.000
not as yet um it is  like like I said

00:30:28.159 --> 00:30:31.159
it's not a matter of of if but but when

00:30:31.880 --> 00:30:34.880
um so  we we don't have any  exact

00:30:36.399 --> 00:30:38.456
time frame as to when that would happen

00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:41.096
but our vision and our preference for

00:30:41.120 --> 00:30:43.736
for this is that when that does happen

00:30:43.760 --> 00:30:46.760
we are ready to move forward um we're

00:30:47.360 --> 00:30:50.216
not looking to rellet the the place turn

00:30:50.240 --> 00:30:53.240
it into  fast food outlets there's

00:30:53.760 --> 00:30:56.296
enough I think already of those in in

00:30:56.320 --> 00:30:59.320
town um not another big box um what the

00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:03.496
site does do is provide such a unique

00:31:03.520 --> 00:31:06.056
opportunity to to revitalize and

00:31:06.080 --> 00:31:08.216
actually create a meaningful impact on

00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:10.936
something that is so desperately needed

00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:12.936
um which which is housing and it is in

00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:15.655
the right location so no indication as

00:31:15.679 --> 00:31:18.535
yet um but let's be proactive about it

00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:21.255
like let's let's not wait um when when

00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:24.279
they do go let's let's be ready to  to

00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:28.279
dig dig shovels

00:31:29.919 --> 00:31:32.496
thank you Councelor Norris is that

00:31:32.520 --> 00:31:35.520
it yes  now councelor Kemp you've

00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:38.775
already had one bite but I'll allow some

00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:41.799
latitude with just the remainder sorry

00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:45.176
um thank you just the remainder 50

00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:48.200
affordable housing 10 for sale of 182 so

00:31:49.360 --> 00:31:52.296
the 122 that is the balance will they be

00:31:52.320 --> 00:31:54.856
sold or rented

00:31:54.880 --> 00:31:57.336
it's it's really a matter for when the

00:31:57.360 --> 00:31:59.015
approval goes through and and those

00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:02.039
numbers are indicative i just have to

00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:05.279
clarify um it it it's really not a

00:32:05.760 --> 00:32:07.336
matter for the planning system to

00:32:07.360 --> 00:32:09.895
dictate whether things are whether

00:32:09.919 --> 00:32:11.736
apartments that would be available to

00:32:11.760 --> 00:32:14.216
the market are sold or rented the

00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:17.240
developer does intend to have a

00:32:17.360 --> 00:32:19.336
requirement on the body corporate to

00:32:19.360 --> 00:32:20.856
ensure that they're not short-term

00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:23.336
rented um which they have successfully

00:32:23.360 --> 00:32:26.360
put on other sites thank you very much

00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:28.296
thank you councelor Kemp councelor

00:32:28.320 --> 00:32:29.816
Clancy

00:32:29.840 --> 00:32:31.255
hi there thank you so much for your

00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:34.279
deputation i just um you referred to

00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:37.176
um a request that you made to council

00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:39.015
staff for a meeting in regards to an

00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:41.096
extension of time what was the outcome

00:32:41.120 --> 00:32:42.696
of that meeting if it has occurred

00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:44.456
already or have you got a date for it if

00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:46.375
it hasn't occurred the recision motion

00:32:46.399 --> 00:32:48.456
was lodged and we knew that we would be

00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:50.535
back here with the planning proposal

00:32:50.559 --> 00:32:53.255
being reconsidered so we deferred that

00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:55.895
okay

00:32:55.919 --> 00:32:58.456
no more questions thank you very much

00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:00.696
Sophie and thank you very much Alexandra

00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:03.720
for your presentations

00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:08.200
i'd now like to invite also on the same

00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:09.936
motion

00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:12.296
CL2158 the recision motion post

00:33:12.320 --> 00:33:15.015
exhibition report 131 Vincent Street

00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:18.039
Alladala Mr john Wilmont who wishes to

00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:21.240
address the meeting to speak against the

00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:32.375
recommendation thank you John i'm fairly

00:33:32.399 --> 00:33:35.399
sure you know the rules 5 minutes with a

00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:38.519
little bit of latitude

00:33:40.240 --> 00:33:42.336
thank you thank you acting mayor

00:33:42.360 --> 00:33:45.360
counselors gallery people from away um

00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:49.799
I'm here tonight on behalf of the Shal

00:33:49.919 --> 00:33:52.919
on the Aladala community forum um and

00:33:54.640 --> 00:33:57.640
the long-standing issue on mainly height

00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:00.895
but um appropriate development for

00:34:00.919 --> 00:34:03.336
Aladala i'll remind this place that I

00:34:03.360 --> 00:34:06.360
did come to this chamber um in 2004 as a

00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:08.375
counselor under the Shell Haven

00:34:08.399 --> 00:34:11.399
Independence Group and served diligently

00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:14.615
for 4 and a half years with my key focus

00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:17.575
being development and urban

00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:20.599
consolidation of Aladala

00:34:21.200 --> 00:34:23.256
i do want to just note the the passing

00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:26.095
of a a Maramarang elder um Sunonny

00:34:26.119 --> 00:34:29.119
Butler um who my time in council was one

00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:32.296
of my greatest mentors um on indigenous

00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:34.655
issues and provided great

00:34:34.679 --> 00:34:37.679
um counsel into um many issues of what

00:34:39.520 --> 00:34:42.520
are indigenous policies of today and and

00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:46.119
Sunny you're remarkable thank you

00:34:46.399 --> 00:34:49.399
um the Aladala community forum was um

00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:53.416
evolved out of a application for a

00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:55.655
building known as Pier 32 which is now

00:34:55.679 --> 00:34:58.536
constructed in Waston Street joining the

00:34:58.560 --> 00:35:00.176
co-op building in

00:35:00.200 --> 00:35:03.200
Aladala i as the counselor um pushing

00:35:03.440 --> 00:35:06.440
that project stood up at the um Aladala

00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:09.815
Civic Center one night to an angry 700

00:35:09.839 --> 00:35:12.839
people um getting stuck into me about

00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:14.016
that

00:35:14.040 --> 00:35:17.040
proposal out of that the forum was born

00:35:17.520 --> 00:35:19.815
i've attended many many meetings over

00:35:19.839 --> 00:35:22.839
the 18 years um 19 years since um and

00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:26.936
constantly reinforce the need for urban

00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:29.960
consolidation of the Aladala district we

00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:31.696
want up not

00:35:31.720 --> 00:35:34.720
out i do look at issues of um of an E4

00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:41.880
zone that's our general industry where

00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:44.920
else can a concrete batching plant go

00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:48.440
we need to see Alladala transform we

00:35:49.200 --> 00:35:51.016
need that concrete batching plan we

00:35:51.040 --> 00:35:53.176
don't want pressure on that to have to

00:35:53.200 --> 00:35:55.896
close and development have to bring

00:35:55.920 --> 00:35:58.776
concrete all the way from narrow that's

00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:00.736
just going to blow housing

00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:03.760
affordability into the next

00:36:03.800 --> 00:36:06.800
stratosphere we need

00:36:07.640 --> 00:36:10.640
to interrogate the conflicts now it's a

00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:14.856
planning proposal it's a reszoning we

00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:16.936
have spent decades telling our community

00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:19.656
when a DA arrives "Oh but it's zoned for

00:36:19.680 --> 00:36:21.016
that you should have had something to

00:36:21.040 --> 00:36:22.416
say at zoning

00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:24.936
stage." Well our community are having

00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:27.736
something to say and our Milton Dollar

00:36:27.760 --> 00:36:30.760
community forum at a meeting um

00:36:31.040 --> 00:36:34.040
discussed earlier was almost

00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:38.400
unanimous in their motion in the motion

00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:42.136
and I'll read it to you that the forums

00:36:42.160 --> 00:36:44.216
support the established position of

00:36:44.240 --> 00:36:47.240
Alladala CBD to remain four-story

00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:49.736
buildings with up to six floors above

00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:52.536
ground in exceptional circumstances

00:36:52.560 --> 00:36:55.560
example consolidated site or affordable

00:36:55.800 --> 00:36:58.456
housing concessions must give way to

00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:01.480
view sharing solar access principles and

00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:05.000
adjoining lands and sorry and design

00:37:05.680 --> 00:37:07.976
i've got a microphone in the middle and

00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:10.055
design incorporate architectural roof

00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:12.376
lines and materials reflecting Aladala's

00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:14.696
maritime theme

00:37:14.720 --> 00:37:17.720
i can't see anywhere our community is

00:37:18.480 --> 00:37:21.480
supporting a reszoning to 21 m with a

00:37:23.040 --> 00:37:26.040
multiplier of 1.3 plus a 5 m retaining

00:37:26.640 --> 00:37:29.496
wall that exists on site that would come

00:37:29.520 --> 00:37:32.520
down to a

00:37:32.920 --> 00:37:35.920
32.95 m high

00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:40.079
building give you an idea pier 32 is

00:37:41.119 --> 00:37:43.456
under 19

00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:45.536
meters it's

00:37:45.560 --> 00:37:48.560
simply way above community

00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:52.960
expectation so height is the first issue

00:37:53.520 --> 00:37:56.520
and the the forum's position is clear

00:37:57.200 --> 00:37:59.496
and I don't think Matt Dell's comment to

00:37:59.520 --> 00:38:00.936
the community cabinet about the

00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:02.616
forgotten south could any way be

00:38:02.640 --> 00:38:05.575
extruded to mean that he supported um

00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:08.599
this proposal matt Dell as myself and

00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:12.480
others had and Mr clark may remember and

00:38:12.640 --> 00:38:14.136
may want to comment later we had

00:38:14.160 --> 00:38:16.376
extensive workshops at the Aladala Civic

00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:19.256
Center across the whole area of the town

00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:22.055
from all different interest groups and

00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:24.136
the federal member state member of the

00:38:24.160 --> 00:38:27.160
day surveyed our town the result was 87%

00:38:27.839 --> 00:38:30.776
of people who responded supported four

00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:33.800
stories for Aladala

00:38:34.240 --> 00:38:36.416
that

00:38:36.440 --> 00:38:37.936
32.95

00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:40.960
meters divided by three you're talking

00:38:41.040 --> 00:38:44.040
11 stories it's simply

00:38:44.200 --> 00:38:46.095
not

00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:48.856
desirable second issue is the zoning

00:38:48.880 --> 00:38:51.880
itself and the conflict with a joining

00:38:52.200 --> 00:38:55.200
industry we have been trying for decades

00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:57.496
to get land release into our industrial

00:38:57.520 --> 00:38:59.815
land supply for Aladala there are

00:38:59.839 --> 00:39:02.055
section 17 directions out there from

00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:05.079
years ago not to diminish employment

00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:08.400
lands if that facility was vacant today

00:39:09.520 --> 00:39:12.520
there are many commercial users who have

00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:15.960
been looking for many many years for

00:39:17.560 --> 00:39:20.560
commercial/industrial space in Alladola

00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:24.920
i do see that in transitional change in

00:39:25.200 --> 00:39:27.416
50 years time we will be looking to

00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:30.440
transform areas outside the town center

00:39:31.200 --> 00:39:34.136
but we have ample land supply for the

00:39:34.160 --> 00:39:37.160
next 30 years in Aladala CBD to

00:39:37.640 --> 00:39:40.640
transform and house what is

00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:43.575
required you have a community before you

00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:46.216
in Aladala that embraces development

00:39:46.240 --> 00:39:48.376
give me one other town in the Shall

00:39:48.400 --> 00:39:50.936
Haven there are 40 other 49 other towns

00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:53.960
and villages is there one of them that

00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:57.079
is prepared to embrace six-story

00:39:57.560 --> 00:40:00.560
buildings i say to you the answer is

00:40:02.200 --> 00:40:04.176
not i

00:40:04.200 --> 00:40:07.095
ask that you do actually embrace the

00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:10.119
staff on this occasion and that you

00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:13.599
interrogate the conflicts of industry if

00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:17.016
it comes up roses then well and good

00:40:17.040 --> 00:40:18.256
you've

00:40:18.280 --> 00:40:21.136
investigated if

00:40:21.160 --> 00:40:24.160
not you have stopped something now

00:40:24.560 --> 00:40:26.616
before it gets to DA stage where there

00:40:26.640 --> 00:40:29.640
will be enormous community conflict and

00:40:29.839 --> 00:40:32.216
ultimately the decision will be by the

00:40:32.240 --> 00:40:34.896
court because the land will be

00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:37.920
zoned thank you for your time and um

00:40:38.560 --> 00:40:40.456
please do not support the recision

00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:43.480
motion let's interrogate the conflicts

00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:46.760
with adjoining uses thank you

00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:49.976
thank you John do we have any questions

00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:52.376
councilors councelor Proudfoot yeah

00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:54.856
thanks John for your presentation yeah

00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:57.880
you referred to Pier 32 which in its

00:40:58.640 --> 00:41:01.456
time was extremely

00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:04.480
controversial and I can recall  at

00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:08.055
that time when we were talking about DCP

00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:11.079
56 I think it was that's correct 54 54

00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:13.896
or 56 i was one of the two yeah one of

00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:16.920
the two  and at that time the mood of

00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:21.256
Alladala I'm not saying rightly or

00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:24.280
wrongly was do not go up do not talk

00:41:26.319 --> 00:41:29.295
about  medium-rise

00:41:29.319 --> 00:41:32.319
development and yet Pier 32  built by

00:41:33.839 --> 00:41:36.839
I think it was Riala development  Pier

00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:39.880
32  seems to be accepted by  the

00:41:41.839 --> 00:41:43.295
general

00:41:43.319 --> 00:41:46.319
community is there not scope for a

00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:50.136
building on the Bunnings site to receive

00:41:50.160 --> 00:41:53.160
a similar a similar acceptance post

00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:56.736
construction are you saying

00:41:56.760 --> 00:41:59.760
that this is so ugly it should never

00:42:00.319 --> 00:42:02.696
happen in that area or or or 5 years

00:42:02.720 --> 00:42:04.815
time or 10 years time or 20 years time

00:42:04.839 --> 00:42:07.839
or or whatever

00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:11.016
do you want me to answer yes please i

00:42:11.040 --> 00:42:12.856
have made no comment on the aesthetics

00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:15.416
of the building that is proposed in the

00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:18.440
planning proposal as I've seen in other

00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:20.936
planning proposals and I too have

00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:22.536
proposed

00:42:22.560 --> 00:42:25.095
um beautiful buildings at reszoning

00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:27.575
stage only for architects to reinterpret

00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:30.456
down the track and um go for maximum

00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:32.456
numbers rather than the architectural

00:42:32.480 --> 00:42:34.295
merit

00:42:34.319 --> 00:42:36.696
i accept many of the people who oppose

00:42:36.720 --> 00:42:38.776
Pier 32 now that it's built have a

00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:39.776
relative

00:42:39.800 --> 00:42:42.016
acceptance but Pier

00:42:42.040 --> 00:42:45.040
32 was approved at about 18.6 m it had

00:42:46.240 --> 00:42:48.295
some creep during construction

00:42:48.319 --> 00:42:51.319
certificate such stage and went ended up

00:42:51.359 --> 00:42:53.055
a little over 19

00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:56.079
m if you want to achieve a Pier 32 on

00:42:56.240 --> 00:42:59.176
that site reszone it to 14 meters

00:42:59.200 --> 00:43:01.736
because with the bonus provisions for

00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:03.656
affordable housing and the existing

00:43:03.680 --> 00:43:05.736
retaining walls that councelor Dunn

00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:08.760
identified last meeting that is already

00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:12.440
greater in height and than the um Pier

00:43:12.640 --> 00:43:15.640
32 structure i also note and I'm not

00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:18.456
complaining I have not had people

00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:20.616
complaining but various residents of

00:43:20.640 --> 00:43:23.176
Pier 32 had conflicts with the

00:43:23.200 --> 00:43:26.200
fisherman's co-op over industry um

00:43:27.359 --> 00:43:29.575
amongst themselves they politely spoke

00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:31.095
with each other and the fisherman's

00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:33.256
co-op altered their practices to

00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:35.575
facilitate the residents that moved into

00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:38.376
that building just highlighting that

00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:41.376
there is conflict between industry and

00:43:41.400 --> 00:43:43.736
residential like there is with small

00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:46.760
rural lots and farmland and it is once

00:43:47.200 --> 00:43:49.815
people have moved in they will agitate

00:43:49.839 --> 00:43:52.839
against what is next door thank you

00:43:55.599 --> 00:43:57.736
 thank you councelor Proudfoot no

00:43:57.760 --> 00:44:00.536
further questions I thank you John for

00:44:00.560 --> 00:44:03.376
your presentation thank

00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:06.400
you and now I'd like to call on  to

00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:08.496
talk about

00:44:08.520 --> 00:44:11.520
CL2161 Shoalhaven War Memorials Mr chris

00:44:12.040 --> 00:44:14.536
George he wishes to address the meeting

00:44:14.560 --> 00:44:17.560
to speak for the recommendation

00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:33.960
just a little further Chris

00:44:36.240 --> 00:44:39.240
the red lights

00:44:43.680 --> 00:44:46.656
good evening Mr chair

00:44:46.680 --> 00:44:49.680
councilors staff and  gallery my name

00:44:50.319 --> 00:44:51.456
is Chris

00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:54.480
George in 2020 councelor Greg Watson

00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:57.335
encouraged me to research our World War

00:44:57.359 --> 00:45:00.359
II aviation history in May of 2021 the

00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:03.736
now defunct strategy and assets

00:45:03.760 --> 00:45:05.256
committee directed a working group

00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:07.176
research and advised council about the

00:45:07.200 --> 00:45:09.496
World War II aviation heritage of

00:45:09.520 --> 00:45:12.520
Rafnara including associated relics and

00:45:13.040 --> 00:45:14.696
remembrance

00:45:14.720 --> 00:45:16.856
about a year later council planning

00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:19.335
department changed the tasking and

00:45:19.359 --> 00:45:21.176
engaged a professional heritage

00:45:21.200 --> 00:45:23.936
consultant to assess the heritage

00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:26.856
significance of 50 BTU road which is

00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:29.880
just one small part of the former RAPH

00:45:30.240 --> 00:45:33.095
site RAAF site the consultant was

00:45:33.119 --> 00:45:35.656
prohibited by council from consulting

00:45:35.680 --> 00:45:38.680
with the strategy and assets committee

00:45:39.359 --> 00:45:42.136
tasked group the consultant's report

00:45:42.160 --> 00:45:44.376
contained errors and emissions but the

00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:46.376
planning department advised the report

00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:49.095
could not be changed and declined to

00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:51.575
acknowledge or to pro promugate the

00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:54.599
working group's earlier report with the

00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:57.256
consultants report as had been agreed at

00:45:57.280 --> 00:46:00.280
ordinary meeting of 7 Feb 22 2022

00:46:01.520 --> 00:46:04.520
councilors may obtain a copy of the I

00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:06.456
believe more correct history with a

00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:08.376
summary of errors and emissions in

00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:11.400
planning department from councelor

00:46:13.640 --> 00:46:16.640
Clancy remembrance and finance that's a

00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:19.095
heading a wall of remembrance recording

00:46:19.119 --> 00:46:22.119
50 RAF Royal Navy and Army casualties is

00:46:23.520 --> 00:46:26.136
located at the Jarvis Bay Maritime

00:46:26.160 --> 00:46:27.736
Museum

00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:29.575
this memorial was established in the

00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:32.599
early 1990s when examined in

00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:35.896
2022 the wall of remembrance was

00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:38.496
allegible and partially dis

00:46:38.520 --> 00:46:41.256
disassembled due to other demands JP

00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:43.815
Maritime Museum declined to refurbish

00:46:43.839 --> 00:46:46.536
the wall of remembrance until New South

00:46:46.560 --> 00:46:48.616
Wales Office of Veterans Affairs

00:46:48.640 --> 00:46:51.640
intervened during 2024

00:46:53.359 --> 00:46:55.095
new South Wales Office of Veterans

00:46:55.119 --> 00:46:57.016
Affairs Community War Memorial Fund

00:46:57.040 --> 00:46:59.176
seemed to offer a means to refurbish the

00:46:59.200 --> 00:47:02.200
wall of  remembrance but was found by

00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:05.176
me to be inaccessible the reason for

00:47:05.200 --> 00:47:06.176
that

00:47:06.200 --> 00:47:09.200
inaccessibility remain unknown neither

00:47:09.280 --> 00:47:12.136
council nor museum were in a position to

00:47:12.160 --> 00:47:15.016
facilitate an application individuals

00:47:15.040 --> 00:47:18.040
i.e me are not eligible to apply  and

00:47:19.520 --> 00:47:21.976
this was for a grant to refurbish the

00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:25.000
wall of remembrance in the Javvis Bay

00:47:25.040 --> 00:47:28.016
Maritime Museum the process remains

00:47:28.040 --> 00:47:30.136
unknown although council has

00:47:30.160 --> 00:47:33.160
successfully applied for some $60,000

00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:36.599
worth of grants from community war

00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:39.896
memorial fund in the last three years

00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:42.456
for the upkeep of local memorials other

00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:45.416
than the wall of remembrance

00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:46.616
the appearance of the wall of

00:47:46.640 --> 00:47:48.936
remembrance at the JB Maritime Museum is

00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:51.095
improved but the history of the memorial

00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:53.416
on the New South Wales Register of War

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Memorials is incorrect the museum has

00:47:56.640 --> 00:47:59.016
advised it has no interest in Rafnara's

00:47:59.040 --> 00:48:00.815
history amongst their other collection

00:48:00.839 --> 00:48:03.839
priorities and RSL has advised that the

00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:06.656
personnel recorded on the wall of

00:48:06.680 --> 00:48:08.656
remembrance are

00:48:08.680 --> 00:48:11.575
ineligible to be included on the court

00:48:11.599 --> 00:48:14.599
of remembrance in Voyager Memorial Park

00:48:15.200 --> 00:48:16.936
we may be able to show you a picture of

00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:19.335
that in in due course and this is

00:48:19.359 --> 00:48:21.896
because I was advised the court of

00:48:21.920 --> 00:48:24.616
remembrance in Voyager Memorial Park is

00:48:24.640 --> 00:48:27.640
a single service monument in quotation

00:48:29.160 --> 00:48:32.160
marks this council and RSL policy

00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:34.216
appears to be wrong the court of

00:48:34.240 --> 00:48:36.856
remembrance is a plainly a triervice

00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:39.880
memorial and stated to stated to be such

00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:43.800
on Shoalhaven Council's website although

00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:46.736
its war memorial

00:48:46.760 --> 00:48:49.416
section has apparently not been

00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:51.496
dedicated and does not reflect the

00:48:51.520 --> 00:48:53.335
dedication of the previous now

00:48:53.359 --> 00:48:55.376
demolished war

00:48:55.400 --> 00:48:58.400
memorial in Voyager Memorial Park the

00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:00.856
service of merchant navy is is no longer

00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:03.880
recorded and that was a specific

00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:06.216
 force that was mentioned on the

00:49:06.240 --> 00:49:08.216
previous war memorial the sandstone arch

00:49:08.240 --> 00:49:11.240
that is now gone research has located a

00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:14.696
RAAF-107 squadron memorial on Island

00:49:14.720 --> 00:49:17.256
Point Road in St george's Basin this

00:49:17.280 --> 00:49:19.496
appears to be an official memorial but

00:49:19.520 --> 00:49:22.055
is not included on New South Wales

00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:24.936
register of memorials and council policy

00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:27.815
covering the memorial is unknown it is

00:49:27.839 --> 00:49:30.839
unclear if council or RSL have carriage

00:49:31.520 --> 00:49:34.216
of the management of war memorials navy

00:49:34.240 --> 00:49:36.376
chaplain have been closely involved with

00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:38.456
the dedication of these but Navy is not

00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:41.335
closely engaged because World War II was

00:49:41.359 --> 00:49:43.575
before the fleet airarm was established

00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:44.575
in

00:49:44.599 --> 00:49:47.599
1947 conclusion the 50 50 fallen who

00:49:48.960 --> 00:49:51.335
were killed locally during World War II

00:49:51.359 --> 00:49:53.896
are not appropriately honored or

00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:55.416
remembered

00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:57.896
the New South Wales me memorial register

00:49:57.920 --> 00:50:00.535
demonstrates that individual RSL

00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:03.559
subbranches focus and their reme on

00:50:03.680 --> 00:50:05.815
their remembrance and war memorials most

00:50:05.839 --> 00:50:08.839
are dedicated as sacred spaces but the

00:50:09.040 --> 00:50:11.335
composition of memorials and precisely

00:50:11.359 --> 00:50:14.359
who is commemorated is not always clear

00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:16.616
and these are important issues for

00:50:16.640 --> 00:50:18.535
council both to preserve the heritage in

00:50:18.559 --> 00:50:20.776
the longer term and to provide for

00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:23.800
support by justified application for 

00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:26.136
community war memorial funds and other

00:50:26.160 --> 00:50:28.936
sources of grant Shoalhaven's World War

00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:31.016
II experience is unique on the south

00:50:31.040 --> 00:50:33.896
coast when several thousand people men

00:50:33.920 --> 00:50:35.496
and women came together and undertook

00:50:35.520 --> 00:50:38.216
the most hazard hazardous aviation that

00:50:38.240 --> 00:50:40.856
of torpedo strike and aircraft carrier

00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:43.055
operations many were

00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:45.736
killed also not mentioned by planning

00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:47.256
department's consultants is the

00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:49.095
remarkable industrial achievement by

00:50:49.119 --> 00:50:50.616
Australia in producing the Bowford

00:50:50.640 --> 00:50:53.095
bomber and locally manufactured

00:50:53.119 --> 00:50:54.936
torpedoes this is acknowledged by

00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:57.136
Australian War Memorial

00:50:57.160 --> 00:50:59.736
Council this part of our birthright is

00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:02.216
undervalued substantially unrecorded and

00:51:02.240 --> 00:51:05.095
slipping away from our community memory

00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:07.176
i bring the matter to the attention

00:51:07.200 --> 00:51:09.095
attention of council and I thank

00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:11.815
councelor Watson and councelor Clancy

00:51:11.839 --> 00:51:14.456
for their attention and support the

00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:17.335
motion seeks to clarify war memorial

00:51:17.359 --> 00:51:20.359
local war memorial policy and funding

00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:23.976
and also to establish Mr george that's

00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:26.095
time do I seek an extension a short

00:51:26.119 --> 00:51:28.696
extension councelor Kemp seconded by

00:51:28.720 --> 00:51:30.936
councel proudfoot thank you the motion

00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:33.960
Thank you Mr chair the motion also seeks

00:51:34.319 --> 00:51:36.535
to establish an accurate heritage

00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:39.559
assessment of RAAF and Royal Navy

00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:43.760
heritage assessment within the local

00:51:44.200 --> 00:51:46.856
area um I was told that there would be

00:51:46.880 --> 00:51:49.880
some pictures i don't know u  how I

00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:53.216
can get those up there there there is

00:51:53.240 --> 00:51:55.656
the that's the  the wall of

00:51:55.680 --> 00:51:57.815
remembrance at the Javas Bay Maritime

00:51:57.839 --> 00:51:59.896
Museum you can see the propeller has

00:51:59.920 --> 00:52:02.535
been removed and the pathway is offset

00:52:02.559 --> 00:52:05.559
that that has now been lined up and the

00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:08.216
plaque is now readable and previously it

00:52:08.240 --> 00:52:11.240
was u that was that was refurbished in

00:52:11.520 --> 00:52:14.520
2024 last year next

00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:18.216
please that's the  wall of remembrance

00:52:18.240 --> 00:52:20.216
now you can see that this it's the the

00:52:20.240 --> 00:52:23.016
whole area has been realigned and the

00:52:23.040 --> 00:52:24.936
the plaque although it's not entirely

00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:27.960
obvious the plaque is now distinctly 

00:52:28.200 --> 00:52:31.200
readable next

00:52:32.359 --> 00:52:35.359
please that looks like  my

00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:43.335
lot there's the torpedoes very

00:52:43.359 --> 00:52:46.359
interesting site and the  the um base

00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:49.880
torpedo unit is not just 50 BTU road

00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:53.079
it's also 88 BTU road halfway down and

00:52:53.599 --> 00:52:55.896
also on Narrow Hill Road which is got

00:52:55.920 --> 00:52:58.920
the animal shelter and the solar farm um

00:53:00.319 --> 00:53:02.616
the torpedoes were distributed all

00:53:02.640 --> 00:53:04.936
through the site and these are the

00:53:04.960 --> 00:53:07.256
workers  distributing part of the

00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:09.095
torpedoes through the bush to where they

00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:12.119
were stored next

00:53:14.559 --> 00:53:17.016
That's the shed that's  still there

00:53:17.040 --> 00:53:19.416
although the the the cladding has been

00:53:19.440 --> 00:53:22.440
changed many times I'm told  the the

00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:24.295
framework is still as it was in World

00:53:24.319 --> 00:53:27.319
War II it's the torpedo workshop next

00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:35.760
please more torpedoes next

00:53:35.800 --> 00:53:38.295
please think we might skate through them

00:53:38.319 --> 00:53:41.319
pretty quickly chris  time is  nine

00:53:41.920 --> 00:53:44.920
yep okay um I I don't think there's

00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:47.815
going to be too much  gathered  from

00:53:47.839 --> 00:53:50.839
the those pictures i wanted to go to the

00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:54.119
court of remembrance in Voyager Memorial

00:53:54.240 --> 00:53:56.295
Park but I'll conclude with that Mr

00:53:56.319 --> 00:53:57.496
chair thank you very much thank you very

00:53:57.520 --> 00:54:00.216
much for that presentation Chris  do

00:54:00.240 --> 00:54:02.696
we have any questions from counselors

00:54:02.720 --> 00:54:05.656
please

00:54:05.680 --> 00:54:07.496
none thank you very much for that

00:54:07.520 --> 00:54:10.520
presentation

00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:15.559
we now move to the notices of

00:54:17.240 --> 00:54:20.240
motion and we go first to CL251 158 the

00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:24.280
recision motion post exhibition report

00:54:24.839 --> 00:54:27.839
131 St vincent Street

00:54:28.040 --> 00:54:31.040
Aladala councelor Luchiano Casmiri do I

00:54:33.200 --> 00:54:35.976
have a seconder seconded by Councelor

00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:39.000
Cox councelor Casmiri

00:54:45.200 --> 00:54:48.200
thank you Mr chair

00:54:49.680 --> 00:54:51.055
as I keep on

00:54:51.079 --> 00:54:54.079
saying housing business is no different

00:54:55.040 --> 00:54:58.040
to any other business driven by the

00:54:58.079 --> 00:55:01.079
supply and demand rules

00:55:02.520 --> 00:55:05.520
and just to give you an example if you

00:55:05.839 --> 00:55:07.936
walk into a real estate agent

00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:10.960
today and they have 10 properties for

00:55:11.680 --> 00:55:14.680
rent or purchase or sale and you are the

00:55:15.640 --> 00:55:18.640
only client or the only customer you got

00:55:19.280 --> 00:55:21.416
a very good chance of getting a good

00:55:21.440 --> 00:55:24.440
deal for any of those 10 properties on

00:55:24.720 --> 00:55:25.696
the other

00:55:25.720 --> 00:55:28.720
hand if you walk into a real estate

00:55:29.359 --> 00:55:32.359
agent where there are 10 people waiting

00:55:32.640 --> 00:55:34.335
for one

00:55:34.359 --> 00:55:37.359
property you have absolutely no chance

00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:39.976
by the time you get to it it's either

00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:43.000
been sold or the price is gone up that

00:55:43.839 --> 00:55:46.839
is the facts here today we all going to

00:55:47.359 --> 00:55:48.856
go home tonight and we all have our own

00:55:48.880 --> 00:55:51.335
homes but let me tell you there are

00:55:51.359 --> 00:55:54.055
thousands of people out there today

00:55:54.079 --> 00:55:57.079
wanting to find a home to live

00:55:57.559 --> 00:55:59.696
in

00:55:59.720 --> 00:56:02.720
and we have in front of us a planning

00:56:04.680 --> 00:56:07.680
proposal with someone taking a risk of

00:56:08.000 --> 00:56:10.936
about $100 million investment at that

00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:13.856
risk their money to provide

00:56:13.880 --> 00:56:16.880
us with housing for 400 or more

00:56:20.359 --> 00:56:23.016
residents 120 places for neither

00:56:23.040 --> 00:56:24.976
children

00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:27.856
care 7 or

00:56:27.880 --> 00:56:30.880
5,700 square meters of commercial space

00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:34.376
or maybe more at the end I don't know

00:56:34.400 --> 00:56:37.400
that would allow and create jobs

00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:39.256
probably more than the jobs in Bings

00:56:39.280 --> 00:56:41.535
today

00:56:41.559 --> 00:56:44.559
and they will provide for at least two

00:56:44.960 --> 00:56:47.960
years more than 400 jobs or local people

00:56:49.040 --> 00:56:52.040
working in the construction of this

00:56:52.599 --> 00:56:55.599
investment their money their risk

00:56:57.559 --> 00:56:59.775
now that would

00:56:59.799 --> 00:57:02.799
provide that investment about

00:57:04.599 --> 00:57:07.599
$650,000 of annual return or income to

00:57:07.839 --> 00:57:10.839
us the council and keep in mind that

00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:14.136
there's only two ways we can get money

00:57:14.160 --> 00:57:17.160
into council to right payers you and I

00:57:17.599 --> 00:57:20.599
or via developer contribution and that

00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:23.880
is the situation that we're in today

00:57:25.000 --> 00:57:28.000
but we have a proposal in front of us

00:57:28.960 --> 00:57:31.815
and we are now asking the proponent to

00:57:31.839 --> 00:57:34.839
go back and redo some work and I'm not

00:57:35.040 --> 00:57:36.456
going to argue if it's right or wrong

00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:39.136
all I'm telling you that is another

00:57:39.160 --> 00:57:42.160
delay more waste on money and time at a

00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:45.400
time we are in crucial need of housing

00:57:46.640 --> 00:57:49.376
as soon as possible

00:57:49.400 --> 00:57:52.400
please so I guess  chair you can get

00:57:53.839 --> 00:57:56.616
through my comments my frustration on

00:57:56.640 --> 00:57:59.335
the situation that we're in because in

00:57:59.359 --> 00:58:02.359
my opinion after 8 years or more of

00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:07.079
mismanagement of our right payers money

00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:10.055
and many many challenges in the planning

00:58:10.079 --> 00:58:11.055
and

00:58:11.079 --> 00:58:13.936
development tasks that we had in this

00:58:13.960 --> 00:58:16.960
council i strongly believe that this is

00:58:17.920 --> 00:58:20.856
an opportunity for us to send a message

00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:23.880
to many stakeholders that Shaven City

00:58:24.640 --> 00:58:27.640
Council is open for business again thank

00:58:27.839 --> 00:58:30.055
you

00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:32.535
 thank you councelor Casemiri Councel

00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:35.496
Tribe

00:58:35.520 --> 00:58:38.136
thank you Mr chair i'm rising to speak

00:58:38.160 --> 00:58:41.160
against the recision motion  as I've

00:58:41.920 --> 00:58:44.920
said multiple times I am in favor  in

00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:47.815
principle of the development i don't

00:58:47.839 --> 00:58:50.055
disagree with its aims and what it will

00:58:50.079 --> 00:58:52.295
deliver  I don't have an issue with

00:58:52.319 --> 00:58:55.319
all of that my primary concern is the

00:58:55.839 --> 00:58:58.376
health of the future residents our staff

00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:00.535
have asked us to consider one more

00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:03.016
report  it isn't quite clear to them

00:59:03.040 --> 00:59:05.256
what the impacts of the concrete

00:59:05.280 --> 00:59:07.815
batching plant and associated dust will

00:59:07.839 --> 00:59:10.295
have  from a residential point of view

00:59:10.319 --> 00:59:12.535
and people living there  that is what

00:59:12.559 --> 00:59:15.559
they've asked us to look at and 

00:59:16.079 --> 00:59:18.696
taking a stab at 50 years experience

00:59:18.720 --> 00:59:20.456
over there that is what they've put to

00:59:20.480 --> 00:59:23.480
us  sorry if it's um offensive to ages

00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:25.896
or if it's actually higher than that but

00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:27.736
what I'm saying is there's a a

00:59:27.760 --> 00:59:29.335
considerable amount of experience on

00:59:29.359 --> 00:59:30.696
that side of the room and what they've

00:59:30.720 --> 00:59:33.720
put to us in this report is  not know

00:59:35.040 --> 00:59:38.040
but not yet and to hold off until we can

00:59:39.119 --> 00:59:42.055
get access to this report and hand on

00:59:42.079 --> 00:59:44.295
heart be able to say this is an

00:59:44.319 --> 00:59:47.095
appropriate land use i can't hand on

00:59:47.119 --> 00:59:49.176
heart say that right now can any of you

00:59:49.200 --> 00:59:51.016
hand on heart say this is an appropriate

00:59:51.040 --> 00:59:52.775
land use i'm happy to move my kids and

00:59:52.799 --> 00:59:54.575
grandkids in

00:59:54.599 --> 00:59:56.775
tomorrow that's a question for you and

00:59:56.799 --> 00:59:58.456
your conscience but we're asking to wait

00:59:58.480 --> 01:00:01.480
3 months to hear the outcome of that

01:00:01.520 --> 01:00:03.335
report and whether that's an appropriate

01:00:03.359 --> 01:00:05.416
land use based on those considerations

01:00:05.440 --> 01:00:07.335
at this stage that's what that's when we

01:00:07.359 --> 01:00:10.359
do it now at the DA stage is not the

01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:13.176
appropriate time to consider that as

01:00:13.200 --> 01:00:14.696
we've heard from the knowledgeable

01:00:14.720 --> 01:00:17.416
deputy and from staff reports this is

01:00:17.440 --> 01:00:19.256
the time to consider whether that land

01:00:19.280 --> 01:00:20.856
use is appropriate whether that presents

01:00:20.880 --> 01:00:23.575
a potential conflict or health risk 

01:00:23.599 --> 01:00:25.416
to those residents now is the time to

01:00:25.440 --> 01:00:27.335
consider that we've heard there's talk

01:00:27.359 --> 01:00:29.575
of legal advice and all kinds of things

01:00:29.599 --> 01:00:31.656
 how much more confrontational will it

01:00:31.680 --> 01:00:34.376
be at that DA stage  if we have not

01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:36.616
satisfied this

01:00:36.640 --> 01:00:38.696
we've heard three months and and I would

01:00:38.720 --> 01:00:40.616
be very happy picking up on the

01:00:40.640 --> 01:00:41.736
suggestion there from councelor

01:00:41.760 --> 01:00:43.335
Cricstellitis to put a time frame on

01:00:43.359 --> 01:00:45.095
this to get it moving i would be in

01:00:45.119 --> 01:00:47.416
support of that  but I don't disagree

01:00:47.440 --> 01:00:49.896
that that extra report has to has to

01:00:49.920 --> 01:00:52.456
take place so that we can know  what

01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:53.976
the potential safety risks and

01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:55.216
implications

01:00:55.240 --> 01:00:58.240
are  we've heard that Bunnings  have

01:00:58.799 --> 01:01:00.936
not moved yet and and that there is a

01:01:00.960 --> 01:01:02.376
considerable amount of time before that

01:01:02.400 --> 01:01:04.856
happens so there is time and I

01:01:04.880 --> 01:01:07.880
understand time is money  but time is

01:01:08.400 --> 01:01:11.400
also time alive and with your kids and

01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:14.456
grandkids and I think we  need to do

01:01:14.480 --> 01:01:16.136
that due diligence to make sure that

01:01:16.160 --> 01:01:18.136
what we are signing up for people in the

01:01:18.160 --> 01:01:21.160
future is actually safe  as I said I

01:01:22.079 --> 01:01:25.079
would support the extension  of 

01:01:25.599 --> 01:01:27.416
gateway determination approval so that

01:01:27.440 --> 01:01:29.416
we've got the the time to look at this

01:01:29.440 --> 01:01:31.575
and deliver all the fantastic things for

01:01:31.599 --> 01:01:34.599
this community that we've heard about

01:01:34.839 --> 01:01:37.575
 the I just wanted to pick up again

01:01:37.599 --> 01:01:39.016
and emphasize on something that was said

01:01:39.040 --> 01:01:40.936
in the deputation about this being the

01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:43.416
time to do it the DA stage is not the

01:01:43.440 --> 01:01:46.295
time to say oh we take it back  this

01:01:46.319 --> 01:01:48.136
actually is a conflict there are

01:01:48.160 --> 01:01:49.896
associated health risks we can't move

01:01:49.920 --> 01:01:51.736
forward this is the time to have those

01:01:51.760 --> 01:01:54.456
conversations and considerations and 

01:01:54.480 --> 01:01:57.480
that is why I will be voting against 

01:01:58.079 --> 01:02:01.079
 this and I encourage  other

01:02:01.280 --> 01:02:03.095
counselors to consider the f future

01:02:03.119 --> 01:02:06.055
implications as well  thank you

01:02:06.079 --> 01:02:09.079
councelor tribe  councelor Johnston

01:02:11.599 --> 01:02:14.535
thank you very much  Mr chair I will

01:02:14.559 --> 01:02:17.559
be um speaking against the recision

01:02:17.640 --> 01:02:20.640
motion the reason is is  contrary to

01:02:21.119 --> 01:02:22.775
councelor Kasmir's result of a quick

01:02:22.799 --> 01:02:25.535
search of domain um there are actually

01:02:25.559 --> 01:02:28.376
approximately 143 properties for sale

01:02:28.400 --> 01:02:30.295
already that have been for sale for a

01:02:30.319 --> 01:02:33.256
very long time within our area so there

01:02:33.280 --> 01:02:34.936
isn't the urgent demand for that but

01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:36.616
there is the demand I agree for

01:02:36.640 --> 01:02:39.640
affordable h housing but as to council

01:02:40.640 --> 01:02:42.535
trib's point this is not about the

01:02:42.559 --> 01:02:44.535
actual development because the

01:02:44.559 --> 01:02:46.936
development is planned potentially they

01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:49.960
might put in 50 affordable housing and

01:02:50.640 --> 01:02:52.456
that will be decided through the DA

01:02:52.480 --> 01:02:54.295
stage but this is about actually

01:02:54.319 --> 01:02:57.319
reszoning the land to make sure that the

01:02:58.079 --> 01:03:00.216
particular reasonzoning is best for

01:03:00.240 --> 01:03:02.775
Aladala's future commercial and

01:03:02.799 --> 01:03:05.335
residential development and to ensure we

01:03:05.359 --> 01:03:07.335
have and the council have done their due

01:03:07.359 --> 01:03:09.656
diligence and asked and answered all the

01:03:09.680 --> 01:03:12.295
questions they need to related to any

01:03:12.319 --> 01:03:14.216
potential hazards associated with the

01:03:14.240 --> 01:03:16.055
reasonzoning particularly respect to the

01:03:16.079 --> 01:03:18.456
wealth and be health and well-being of

01:03:18.480 --> 01:03:20.535
future occupants

01:03:20.559 --> 01:03:23.559
this is not about the DA all of those

01:03:23.680 --> 01:03:24.856
things and a lot of the things they

01:03:24.880 --> 01:03:26.696
discussed in the deputation was about

01:03:26.720 --> 01:03:28.936
the DA this is about the proposal and

01:03:28.960 --> 01:03:31.656
reszoning of the land we need to get

01:03:31.680 --> 01:03:33.976
this right now and if those reports come

01:03:34.000 --> 01:03:36.295
back and say yes it can be reszoned and

01:03:36.319 --> 01:03:38.456
there is no conflict there's no issue at

01:03:38.480 --> 01:03:40.856
least we can say we have done our due

01:03:40.880 --> 01:03:43.736
diligence and made the right choice and

01:03:43.760 --> 01:03:45.496
not just jumped at that for some

01:03:45.520 --> 01:03:48.520
pressure to get this done noting where

01:03:48.880 --> 01:03:50.696
Bunnings is and the site and the

01:03:50.720 --> 01:03:52.535
establishments were required for them to

01:03:52.559 --> 01:03:54.775
move this is a long project this is

01:03:54.799 --> 01:03:56.456
going to take a long time for all of

01:03:56.480 --> 01:03:58.696
this to happen i appreciate there is

01:03:58.720 --> 01:04:00.856
that September deadline but agree with

01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:02.696
councelor Cricolitis of putting maybe

01:04:02.720 --> 01:04:05.575
something on council staff to have a

01:04:05.599 --> 01:04:07.656
date in mind to have that completion

01:04:07.680 --> 01:04:10.680
done by or if they are unable to put the

01:04:11.039 --> 01:04:13.335
extension in as suggested by Sophie and

01:04:13.359 --> 01:04:14.176
her

01:04:14.200 --> 01:04:16.535
deputation but just reminder this is not

01:04:16.559 --> 01:04:18.216
about the development we cannot

01:04:18.240 --> 01:04:19.815
guarantee the affordable housing we

01:04:19.839 --> 01:04:21.496
cannot do any of that this is about

01:04:21.520 --> 01:04:23.416
reszoning the land and making sure we

01:04:23.440 --> 01:04:25.416
make that correct choice for what is

01:04:25.440 --> 01:04:27.496
right for Aladala's commercial and

01:04:27.520 --> 01:04:30.136
residential future development so I'll

01:04:30.160 --> 01:04:31.896
be voting against the recision motion

01:04:31.920 --> 01:04:33.976
thank you thank you councelor Johnston

01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:36.295
councelor Crystalitis my goodness thank

01:04:36.319 --> 01:04:38.535
you i'll be fairly brief um because I

01:04:38.559 --> 01:04:40.535
think a lot of what I was about to say

01:04:40.559 --> 01:04:43.015
has been covered first of all I'm aware

01:04:43.039 --> 01:04:45.176
we've said thousand times in this place

01:04:45.200 --> 01:04:48.055
that  council is a business i'm going

01:04:48.079 --> 01:04:50.936
to say it again it's not it's not it's a

01:04:50.960 --> 01:04:53.416
government service organization it is

01:04:53.440 --> 01:04:56.216
not a business number one so then we'll

01:04:56.240 --> 01:04:58.376
get past that um what other notes do I

01:04:58.400 --> 01:04:59.896
have council also gets income from

01:04:59.920 --> 01:05:02.920
grants and fees not just from rateayers

01:05:04.039 --> 01:05:07.039
um my biggest concern in this and I was

01:05:07.520 --> 01:05:09.416
my concern when I saw the agenda and and

01:05:09.440 --> 01:05:12.440
what came through is that we have staff

01:05:12.799 --> 01:05:15.575
that are looking after the community

01:05:15.599 --> 01:05:17.015
that's that's what they're doing in this

01:05:17.039 --> 01:05:19.335
asking for this time they have they've

01:05:19.359 --> 01:05:21.335
asked for a bit of time how much of an

01:05:21.359 --> 01:05:22.535
effect is this going to have on the

01:05:22.559 --> 01:05:24.376
people around this development once

01:05:24.400 --> 01:05:26.136
again like everyone else I'm all all for

01:05:26.160 --> 01:05:27.896
the development it's great great idea we

01:05:27.920 --> 01:05:29.976
need the housing and all those things

01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:32.216
what disturbs me is the next motion that

01:05:32.240 --> 01:05:34.216
we're about to vote on doesn't come from

01:05:34.240 --> 01:05:36.015
staff doesn't even come from

01:05:36.039 --> 01:05:38.856
counselors it comes straight word for

01:05:38.880 --> 01:05:41.656
word from the developer and this is my

01:05:41.680 --> 01:05:44.680
question which master do you

01:05:47.000 --> 01:05:50.000
serve as simple as that you have people

01:05:50.640 --> 01:05:52.376
trying to look after your communities

01:05:52.400 --> 01:05:54.696
and people that aren't that's all I have

01:05:54.720 --> 01:05:57.720
to say thank you Councelor Quickster

01:05:57.839 --> 01:06:00.839
councelor Norris

01:06:01.359 --> 01:06:03.416
thanks Deputy Mayor Wilkins and I can't

01:06:03.440 --> 01:06:06.055
echo enough what's been said i want to

01:06:06.079 --> 01:06:09.079
just state that I fully support any good

01:06:09.359 --> 01:06:11.815
development any uplift in housing that

01:06:11.839 --> 01:06:13.736
is what we all sort of said when we went

01:06:13.760 --> 01:06:15.815
to the election but what I do not

01:06:15.839 --> 01:06:18.535
support is rushing into things when we

01:06:18.559 --> 01:06:20.136
do developments we need to do them

01:06:20.160 --> 01:06:22.775
correctly we need to take our time and

01:06:22.799 --> 01:06:24.055
we need to understand what the

01:06:24.079 --> 01:06:26.376
parameters are if staff have come back

01:06:26.400 --> 01:06:28.936
to us and asked us for another report I

01:06:28.960 --> 01:06:31.015
feel we should do another report how

01:06:31.039 --> 01:06:33.015
many times as a counselor have you been

01:06:33.039 --> 01:06:35.176
around to the community and seen a

01:06:35.200 --> 01:06:36.936
project that missed the mark by that

01:06:36.960 --> 01:06:39.960
just that much it's one more report what

01:06:40.880 --> 01:06:42.856
I heard from the deput in my question

01:06:42.880 --> 01:06:45.335
Bunnings has no indication yet last time

01:06:45.359 --> 01:06:47.095
I was down at the site they've still got

01:06:47.119 --> 01:06:48.775
buildings to remove they've still got

01:06:48.799 --> 01:06:50.775
trees to clear bunnings isn't moving

01:06:50.799 --> 01:06:53.015
just yet this is not going to be click

01:06:53.039 --> 01:06:55.015
your fingers and it's going to work we

01:06:55.039 --> 01:06:56.456
actually need to take the time to

01:06:56.480 --> 01:06:58.295
analyze this properly so that we can

01:06:58.319 --> 01:07:00.055
give the community the stuff they seek

01:07:00.079 --> 01:07:02.456
to have represented in their village

01:07:02.480 --> 01:07:04.775
such as four stories you know that sort

01:07:04.799 --> 01:07:07.799
of thing i I support good good housing

01:07:09.039 --> 01:07:10.936
 but we don't need to rush this thank

01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:13.960
you Council Norris councelor Proudfoot

01:07:15.599 --> 01:07:18.599
 thank you Mr chair

01:07:19.359 --> 01:07:22.359
well I have heard some interesting um

01:07:22.720 --> 01:07:25.656
contributions to the debate tonight

01:07:25.680 --> 01:07:28.680
about hand on heart and which master do

01:07:28.720 --> 01:07:31.095
you serve and this sort of business 

01:07:31.119 --> 01:07:32.815
let's let's go back 12

01:07:32.839 --> 01:07:35.256
months and we'll see who was serving

01:07:35.280 --> 01:07:38.280
what and who supported what 12 months

01:07:38.839 --> 01:07:41.839
ago the resolution that was carried at

01:07:42.559 --> 01:07:44.295
council

01:07:44.319 --> 01:07:47.176
 moved councelor Wells seconded

01:07:47.200 --> 01:07:50.200
councelor L supported by councelor Dath

01:07:50.400 --> 01:07:52.456
councelor Norris councelor Cotlash

01:07:52.480 --> 01:07:54.376
councelor CotPley councelor White

01:07:54.400 --> 01:07:55.456
councelor

01:07:55.480 --> 01:07:58.480
Watson and councelor Gray and voted

01:07:58.640 --> 01:08:01.456
against by councelor Boyd and councelor

01:08:01.480 --> 01:08:04.480
Kiter now that  resolution was was

01:08:04.799 --> 01:08:06.936
carried and in some respects the intent

01:08:06.960 --> 01:08:07.775
of the

01:08:07.799 --> 01:08:10.799
resolution was to support a change in

01:08:11.079 --> 01:08:14.079
direction a change for the Shell Haven

01:08:14.319 --> 01:08:17.319
and a change for the people of Aladala

01:08:17.839 --> 01:08:18.896
and

01:08:18.920 --> 01:08:21.920
surrounds it was a a support for  as

01:08:23.520 --> 01:08:26.520
the catch cry was it's  up not out and

01:08:29.040 --> 01:08:31.976
so here we are with one of the tests

01:08:32.000 --> 01:08:34.815
with one of the tests to  to do just

01:08:34.839 --> 01:08:37.839
that to do exactly what the council 12

01:08:39.520 --> 01:08:42.520
months ago 12 months ago voted for and

01:08:44.080 --> 01:08:46.616
so what do we do we get to one of the

01:08:46.640 --> 01:08:49.456
first hurdles and

01:08:49.480 --> 01:08:52.295
already we're going weak at the knees we

01:08:52.319 --> 01:08:55.319
really are because all of the issues

01:08:55.960 --> 01:08:58.576
mentioned have to be addressed by the

01:08:58.600 --> 01:09:00.616
applicant they have to be addressed by

01:09:00.640 --> 01:09:03.640
the applicant 100% of the way and so

01:09:04.319 --> 01:09:07.255
when it comes to dust on the site coming

01:09:07.279 --> 01:09:10.279
from the batching plant adjacent

01:09:11.040 --> 01:09:13.735
u we we have an example of exactly

01:09:13.759 --> 01:09:16.056
what's happening at the moment with the

01:09:16.080 --> 01:09:19.080
Bunnings store we have that example we

01:09:19.520 --> 01:09:22.215
have the EPA as the approval authority

01:09:22.239 --> 01:09:24.295
for that type of a business i know that

01:09:24.319 --> 01:09:27.319
it was set up there as a  a batching

01:09:27.600 --> 01:09:29.255
plant some years ago and it has existing

01:09:29.279 --> 01:09:30.616
use rights but nevertheless you haven't

01:09:30.640 --> 01:09:32.536
got the right to endanger people's

01:09:32.560 --> 01:09:33.775
health you haven't got the right to

01:09:33.799 --> 01:09:36.616
pollute and so all of that needs to be

01:09:36.640 --> 01:09:38.576
addressed and will be

01:09:38.600 --> 01:09:41.600
addressed and addressed without delay

01:09:41.759 --> 01:09:44.056
there there's no two ways about it and

01:09:44.080 --> 01:09:46.295
we heard tonight in the presentation in

01:09:46.319 --> 01:09:46.976
the

01:09:47.000 --> 01:09:49.335
deputation that this thing won't just be

01:09:49.359 --> 01:09:51.416
built overnight and it won't be built in

01:09:51.440 --> 01:09:54.440
one go it'll be staged development it'll

01:09:54.960 --> 01:09:56.856
be staged according to what the

01:09:56.880 --> 01:09:58.536
applicant would like to do in

01:09:58.560 --> 01:10:00.856
conjunction with the particular market

01:10:00.880 --> 01:10:03.416
research carried out by the applicant as

01:10:03.440 --> 01:10:05.016
to when they can get the product on the

01:10:05.040 --> 01:10:08.040
market and when that product can sell

01:10:08.159 --> 01:10:10.616
now I can go back many many years ago

01:10:10.640 --> 01:10:13.416
when I was starting out  as a young

01:10:13.440 --> 01:10:16.440
married man and we lived at Kella and we

01:10:17.440 --> 01:10:19.736
spent three years living in a caravan

01:10:19.760 --> 01:10:21.655
that's how we started we didn't have

01:10:21.679 --> 01:10:24.056
much we went to try and put down a

01:10:24.080 --> 01:10:26.376
deposit on a home unit and back then I

01:10:26.400 --> 01:10:28.695
was on $66 a week and the home unit was

01:10:28.719 --> 01:10:30.655
costed

01:10:30.679 --> 01:10:33.096
$19,000 and the bank knocked us back so

01:10:33.120 --> 01:10:34.856
I've never ever owned real estate in

01:10:34.880 --> 01:10:36.856
Sydney and we went to the country

01:10:36.880 --> 01:10:39.175
because it was cheaper and that's where

01:10:39.199 --> 01:10:41.256
you get a start and then you pick up on

01:10:41.280 --> 01:10:42.456
the lifestyle and you never want to

01:10:42.480 --> 01:10:44.135
leave the place there's no question

01:10:44.159 --> 01:10:46.215
about that and that's exactly what young

01:10:46.239 --> 01:10:48.616
people would have an opportunity down

01:10:48.640 --> 01:10:51.175
there at Alladala they'd have a chance

01:10:51.199 --> 01:10:53.496
to get into the real estate market or

01:10:53.520 --> 01:10:55.655
even into the rental market it would

01:10:55.679 --> 01:10:58.215
give them opportunity to move and to

01:10:58.239 --> 01:11:00.695
move on and then once they get some sort

01:11:00.719 --> 01:11:02.215
of equity there they may choose to go

01:11:02.239 --> 01:11:03.416
somewhere else or they may just think

01:11:03.440 --> 01:11:05.336
this is such a good lifestyle and it is

01:11:05.360 --> 01:11:07.416
a great lifestyle dollar and that

01:11:07.440 --> 01:11:09.695
location is ideally

01:11:09.719 --> 01:11:12.376
located and so don't worry don't worry

01:11:12.400 --> 01:11:15.096
about the whether the kids are safe

01:11:15.120 --> 01:11:17.736
there or whether the the adults are safe

01:11:17.760 --> 01:11:20.760
there that has to be addressed and the

01:11:21.199 --> 01:11:22.695
fact that so many people are being put

01:11:22.719 --> 01:11:25.655
into that precinct  the critical eyes

01:11:25.679 --> 01:11:28.679
cast over that will be amazing and so

01:11:28.880 --> 01:11:31.416
there's no doubt about that aspect of it

01:11:31.440 --> 01:11:34.440
so for me the the greatest worry for

01:11:34.480 --> 01:11:36.135
myself is the bulk and scale of the

01:11:36.159 --> 01:11:39.159
development however

01:11:39.640 --> 01:11:42.056
however right through the Shell Haven we

01:11:42.080 --> 01:11:44.135
know down on the the waterfront precinct

01:11:44.159 --> 01:11:46.135
here there's far greater height and far

01:11:46.159 --> 01:11:48.616
greater density and as long as the as I

01:11:48.640 --> 01:11:49.655
asked the question before the

01:11:49.679 --> 01:11:51.816
articulation's right and the the

01:11:51.840 --> 01:11:53.736
development's quality and and you put

01:11:53.760 --> 01:11:56.456
the developers on notice we want a great

01:11:56.480 --> 01:11:58.376
product for the Shell Haven a great

01:11:58.400 --> 01:12:00.296
product for Aladala so we can hang our

01:12:00.320 --> 01:12:02.175
hat on it just like Pier

01:12:02.199 --> 01:12:05.199
32 it gets many accolades now so too

01:12:05.840 --> 01:12:08.456
should this so I have no problem

01:12:08.480 --> 01:12:10.215
supporting the recision motion thanks Mr

01:12:10.239 --> 01:12:12.776
chair thank you Councelor Proudoot

01:12:12.800 --> 01:12:15.336
councelor Boyd um I just wanted to point

01:12:15.360 --> 01:12:18.056
out that the decision or the

01:12:18.080 --> 01:12:21.080
recommendation last year that the thing

01:12:21.440 --> 01:12:23.816
go the proposal go to gateway had

01:12:23.840 --> 01:12:26.056
provisos on it and those provisos were

01:12:26.080 --> 01:12:28.695
ignored at that gateway determination

01:12:28.719 --> 01:12:31.576
and those provisos were important and I

01:12:31.600 --> 01:12:33.736
didn't vote the two councilors who did

01:12:33.760 --> 01:12:36.296
not vote for that and I'm will also like

01:12:36.320 --> 01:12:39.096
to point out that's one of the that no

01:12:39.120 --> 01:12:41.496
one has been no one on this council has

01:12:41.520 --> 01:12:43.416
been the slightest bit interested in

01:12:43.440 --> 01:12:46.440
what has been passed or carried in the

01:12:46.560 --> 01:12:48.856
at by the past council and you put an

01:12:48.880 --> 01:12:51.416
order there councelor that  is

01:12:51.440 --> 01:12:53.976
irrelevant to to this discussion okay

01:12:54.000 --> 01:12:57.000
all right thank you um

01:12:58.880 --> 01:13:01.096
I voted against that and I'll vote

01:13:01.120 --> 01:13:03.416
against this recision motion again

01:13:03.440 --> 01:13:05.336
because I don't think that's the right

01:13:05.360 --> 01:13:07.816
site for housing i don't think it's the

01:13:07.840 --> 01:13:10.416
right size for a child care set the

01:13:10.440 --> 01:13:13.440
right site for a child care center

01:13:13.600 --> 01:13:15.655
either i think there are better sites in

01:13:15.679 --> 01:13:17.256
Aladala and I'd like to see this

01:13:17.280 --> 01:13:20.215
development happen somewhere else

01:13:20.239 --> 01:13:21.976
yeah thank you Councelor Boy councelor

01:13:22.000 --> 01:13:25.000
Kemp

01:13:25.199 --> 01:13:28.199
thank you Mr chair um look which master

01:13:29.760 --> 01:13:31.936
do you

01:13:31.960 --> 01:13:34.536
serve i hear you're screaming out for

01:13:34.560 --> 01:13:36.896
housing crisis housing crisis quick

01:13:36.920 --> 01:13:39.920
quick stop development quick stop the

01:13:40.239 --> 01:13:42.856
development no matter what at all costs

01:13:42.880 --> 01:13:45.175
which master do you serve is probably

01:13:45.199 --> 01:13:48.199
more the question let's get on with

01:13:49.640 --> 01:13:52.640
it  thank you Councelor Kemp and  

01:13:55.040 --> 01:13:57.016
from the  the chair's position I'd

01:13:57.040 --> 01:13:59.496
like to speak in favor of the recision

01:13:59.520 --> 01:14:02.520
motion i mean this is what councils are

01:14:02.600 --> 01:14:05.600
about it's just not easy um you think

01:14:06.239 --> 01:14:09.096
about it all the time 24 hours a day

01:14:09.120 --> 01:14:12.120
it's like  paddling around in a an

01:14:12.800 --> 01:14:15.576
ocean full of thick seaweed you're just

01:14:15.600 --> 01:14:17.496
waiting for something to come up and 

01:14:17.520 --> 01:14:19.576
bite you on the ankle they're big

01:14:19.600 --> 01:14:21.736
decisions and we don't make them lightly

01:14:21.760 --> 01:14:23.896
we respect everyone's views around the

01:14:23.920 --> 01:14:26.456
table but the bottom line is as

01:14:26.480 --> 01:14:29.416
underlined by the the premier who came

01:14:29.440 --> 01:14:32.440
down to the community cabinet last week

01:14:33.520 --> 01:14:36.215
housing there is a dire need for housing

01:14:36.239 --> 01:14:38.215
there's a need for affordable housing

01:14:38.239 --> 01:14:41.239
there's a dire need for child care

01:14:41.280 --> 01:14:43.496
there's a need for jobs and that

01:14:43.520 --> 01:14:46.135
satisfies that equation and I agree with

01:14:46.159 --> 01:14:49.016
councelor Proudfoot who has recognized

01:14:49.040 --> 01:14:52.040
that the the problems with the health

01:14:52.400 --> 01:14:55.016
issues or the dust  they'll be solved

01:14:55.040 --> 01:14:56.616
they have to be solved they will be

01:14:56.640 --> 01:14:59.640
solved  it's just that if we delay 

01:15:01.199 --> 01:15:03.496
this further we are kicking it down the

01:15:03.520 --> 01:15:06.135
road we're sending it to another 

01:15:06.159 --> 01:15:08.776
briefing another report um all the

01:15:08.800 --> 01:15:10.695
questions will have to be answered

01:15:10.719 --> 01:15:12.776
answered the joint regional planning

01:15:12.800 --> 01:15:15.336
panel  currently is looking at another

01:15:15.360 --> 01:15:17.736
development just down the road  taken

01:15:17.760 --> 01:15:20.760
out or it's been  negotiated in

01:15:21.120 --> 01:15:23.496
concert with the  with the council 

01:15:23.520 --> 01:15:26.520
that's 84 units there so there is a

01:15:26.880 --> 01:15:29.456
feeling for change there's a line in the

01:15:29.480 --> 01:15:32.480
sand and and the time is now

01:15:34.280 --> 01:15:37.280
um our deputy John he did  accurately

01:15:38.880 --> 01:15:41.576
mention that   the height and the

01:15:41.600 --> 01:15:44.215
Shoalhaven well  no one's putting

01:15:44.239 --> 01:15:47.239
their hand up to to go up but  this 

01:15:47.840 --> 01:15:50.695
will inspire it's the way to go it it

01:15:50.719 --> 01:15:53.496
has to be  and of course you need

01:15:53.520 --> 01:15:55.416
restrictions on it you need 

01:15:55.440 --> 01:15:58.056
aesthetics but that's all going to be 

01:15:58.080 --> 01:16:00.496
part of that equation but if we don't go

01:16:00.520 --> 01:16:03.520
there um we never will and we have to

01:16:04.400 --> 01:16:06.296
draw that line in the sand so I'll be

01:16:06.320 --> 01:16:09.320
supporting the  the motion  somewhat

01:16:09.520 --> 01:16:11.096
reluctantly because I do agree with

01:16:11.120 --> 01:16:13.416
everyone around the table and there is

01:16:13.440 --> 01:16:15.976
trepidation but  sometimes you got to

01:16:16.000 --> 01:16:18.256
stick your neck out and  and make a

01:16:18.280 --> 01:16:21.280
decision so with that we'll now put it

01:16:22.239 --> 01:16:24.096
to the

01:16:24.120 --> 01:16:27.120
vote oh so my my apologies Councelor Cox

01:16:30.000 --> 01:16:33.000
yeah um so I've heard the arguments 

01:16:33.120 --> 01:16:36.120
for and against and um I just wanted to

01:16:36.400 --> 01:16:39.016
say that as someone who works in in Town

01:16:39.040 --> 01:16:41.655
Center and I know Aladala is reflective

01:16:41.679 --> 01:16:44.679
as well um we have you know a homeless

01:16:44.800 --> 01:16:47.800
problem here  in town and I think um

01:16:48.400 --> 01:16:50.616
you got to also consider that by not

01:16:50.640 --> 01:16:52.936
housing people um people sleeping rough

01:16:52.960 --> 01:16:55.096
up the showground sleeping in the street

01:16:55.120 --> 01:16:57.096
sleeping in doorways this kind of thing

01:16:57.120 --> 01:16:59.256
that's that's a big health risk as well

01:16:59.280 --> 01:17:02.280
so um I will be for this um supporting

01:17:02.719 --> 01:17:05.719
thank you

01:17:06.239 --> 01:17:09.239
yeah um  yes and  as rightly pointed

01:17:10.400 --> 01:17:12.536
out it's my second time in the chair

01:17:12.560 --> 01:17:15.096
there's a little  swaying in the role

01:17:15.120 --> 01:17:17.576
and I have to  head now to councelor

01:17:17.600 --> 01:17:20.215
Casmiri for the right of reply thank you

01:17:20.239 --> 01:17:23.239
for your  patience

01:17:23.679 --> 01:17:26.679
thank you Mr chair

01:17:27.280 --> 01:17:29.256
oh I did say before that you probably

01:17:29.280 --> 01:17:30.856
could tell from my comments my

01:17:30.880 --> 01:17:33.016
frustration and I guess there's not

01:17:33.040 --> 01:17:36.040
changed but just to remind  some or

01:17:38.400 --> 01:17:41.400
all of us that  we just had

01:17:42.440 --> 01:17:45.296
an a absolutely

01:17:45.320 --> 01:17:48.320
fantastic federal government result with

01:17:48.719 --> 01:17:51.719
the Labor Party winning this term again

01:17:53.679 --> 01:17:56.416
and guess what they promised many many

01:17:56.440 --> 01:17:59.440
times affordable housing housing we will

01:18:00.679 --> 01:18:03.679
fix last week I was like you at

01:18:03.880 --> 01:18:06.816
 down at all dollar and

01:18:06.840 --> 01:18:09.736
 Premier M was there and I had the

01:18:09.760 --> 01:18:11.976
opportunity at one second but the

01:18:12.000 --> 01:18:13.135
question

01:18:13.159 --> 01:18:16.159
was what about housing what are you guys

01:18:16.239 --> 01:18:18.856
doing about housing as a matter of fact

01:18:18.880 --> 01:18:21.175
he opened the whole response in his

01:18:21.199 --> 01:18:22.256
conference

01:18:22.280 --> 01:18:25.280
saying we need to fix Shellhaven we need

01:18:26.080 --> 01:18:28.816
housing in Shaven and he did mention

01:18:28.840 --> 01:18:31.840
dollar and he did say that the reason

01:18:32.040 --> 01:18:35.040
why it's because if we don't have

01:18:35.080 --> 01:18:38.080
housing without people to accommodate on

01:18:38.840 --> 01:18:41.840
housing and  to just to correct my

01:18:42.120 --> 01:18:45.120
point affordable housing it's difficult

01:18:46.000 --> 01:18:48.856
renting is more difficult therefore we

01:18:48.880 --> 01:18:51.880
have no properties to rent because we're

01:18:52.239 --> 01:18:54.856
not building sufficient homes and we can

01:18:54.880 --> 01:18:56.616
delay this for another report and then

01:18:56.640 --> 01:18:58.135
we can have another report after this

01:18:58.159 --> 01:18:59.976
report but keep in mind that what we

01:19:00.000 --> 01:19:02.816
have in front of us is

01:19:02.840 --> 01:19:05.840
a proposal a plan proposal it's not a DA

01:19:07.600 --> 01:19:09.896
it's not a final outcome that will take

01:19:09.920 --> 01:19:12.215
a lot of lot of work before we get that

01:19:12.239 --> 01:19:14.695
far and the planning proposal it is what

01:19:14.719 --> 01:19:16.456
it is

01:19:16.480 --> 01:19:19.175
and is not very detailed does not have

01:19:19.199 --> 01:19:21.336
all the technical information that only

01:19:21.360 --> 01:19:23.736
drafts and sketches I've been involved

01:19:23.760 --> 01:19:25.736
in planning proposal where what we

01:19:25.760 --> 01:19:28.695
finish up with was absolutely nothing

01:19:28.719 --> 01:19:31.719
like what was presented at the beginning

01:19:32.880 --> 01:19:35.880
of the conversation okay so I'm asking

01:19:36.159 --> 01:19:38.456
you please support this so we can move

01:19:38.480 --> 01:19:40.456
on and we can move on into the next

01:19:40.480 --> 01:19:42.936
motion because that is what this is all

01:19:42.960 --> 01:19:45.816
about have the opportunity to debate

01:19:45.840 --> 01:19:48.840
what we did not do do at last meeting

01:19:49.120 --> 01:19:51.576
for a technicality on a point of order

01:19:51.600 --> 01:19:53.215
thank

01:19:53.239 --> 01:19:56.239
you thank you Council Casmiri we'll now

01:19:56.400 --> 01:19:59.016
head to the machines to vote on this

01:19:59.040 --> 01:20:02.040
recision motion

01:20:07.760 --> 01:20:10.695
and we'll check online councelor Norris

01:20:10.719 --> 01:20:13.719
and councelor Johnston

01:20:16.239 --> 01:20:19.239
no for me thank you

01:20:19.360 --> 01:20:22.360
so no from Johnston and

01:20:29.280 --> 01:20:32.280
do you mind if I put my mic

01:20:32.760 --> 01:20:35.256
on Council Norris can you please just

01:20:35.280 --> 01:20:38.135
confirm your vote for the staff yeah no

01:20:38.159 --> 01:20:41.159
against

01:20:43.679 --> 01:20:46.679
That's right

01:20:47.199 --> 01:20:50.199
 so we have a  a vote of 55 oh no

01:20:52.400 --> 01:20:55.400
sorry councelor Clancy has just come in

01:20:55.840 --> 01:20:58.840
is that right council Clancy 64 five

01:20:59.280 --> 01:21:01.655
against all right councelor Clancy has

01:21:01.679 --> 01:21:04.679
come in and so we have a vote of 64 and

01:21:05.840 --> 01:21:08.695
five against those voting for councelor

01:21:08.719 --> 01:21:11.416
Clancy councelor Kemp Councelor Casmiri

01:21:11.440 --> 01:21:14.215
councelor Cox councelor Proudfoot and

01:21:14.239 --> 01:21:16.695
Councelor Wilkins those against

01:21:16.719 --> 01:21:18.536
councelor Tribe councelor Norris

01:21:18.560 --> 01:21:21.256
councelor Boyd Councelor Johnston and

01:21:21.280 --> 01:21:24.280
councelor Cricsttois i declare that

01:21:27.000 --> 01:21:30.000
carried therefore that  makes CL 251

01:21:33.239 --> 01:21:36.239
159  we'll put that

01:21:37.440 --> 01:21:39.896
we'll table it  and I call on

01:21:39.920 --> 01:21:42.576
councelor Casmiri to

01:21:42.600 --> 01:21:45.376
 table this motion do I have a

01:21:45.400 --> 01:21:48.400
seconder seconded by councelor Kemp

01:21:48.560 --> 01:21:51.560
thank you thank you again Mr chair as I

01:21:52.080 --> 01:21:53.736
mentioned just a minute ago the whole

01:21:53.760 --> 01:21:56.135
objective of the resolution is that so

01:21:56.159 --> 01:21:59.159
we can come to this point and and talk

01:21:59.239 --> 01:22:02.239
about an alternative resolution or an

01:22:02.400 --> 01:22:03.896
alternative

01:22:03.920 --> 01:22:06.920
 motion which is that to resone the

01:22:08.239 --> 01:22:11.239
land to increase the maximum height to

01:22:11.520 --> 01:22:14.520
introduce floor space ratio 3.5 to1 and

01:22:15.120 --> 01:22:18.120
forward in planning to new parliament

01:22:18.480 --> 01:22:20.215
council office for processing

01:22:20.239 --> 01:22:22.215
finalization

01:22:22.239 --> 01:22:24.536
That is what we have in front of us now

01:22:24.560 --> 01:22:27.560
thank you  councelor

01:22:29.639 --> 01:22:32.639
Tribe  thank you Mr acting Chair 

01:22:34.080 --> 01:22:36.296
I'm disappointed to have to speak

01:22:36.320 --> 01:22:39.320
against this motion actually because 

01:22:39.920 --> 01:22:42.376
in different circumstances I might be

01:22:42.400 --> 01:22:45.400
able to jump up in in favor  of this

01:22:46.239 --> 01:22:49.239
 development but I I can't on the

01:22:50.320 --> 01:22:52.615
grounds that we have ignored the advice

01:22:52.639 --> 01:22:54.776
of staff in not proceeding with getting

01:22:54.800 --> 01:22:57.096
that report to look at the risks and

01:22:57.120 --> 01:23:00.096
examine the potential land use conflict

01:23:00.120 --> 01:23:02.856
um while it's encouraging to hear people

01:23:02.880 --> 01:23:04.536
are so passionate about the housing

01:23:04.560 --> 01:23:07.096
crisis and and child care  at this

01:23:07.120 --> 01:23:10.120
point  I I can't say that  this is

01:23:12.320 --> 01:23:14.615
the best option  for both of those

01:23:14.639 --> 01:23:16.215
things without knowing the outcome of

01:23:16.239 --> 01:23:18.615
that report so unfortunately I do have

01:23:18.639 --> 01:23:20.776
to speak  against the development at

01:23:20.800 --> 01:23:23.800
all cost u motion

01:23:24.639 --> 01:23:26.936
thank you council tribe councelor Boyd

01:23:26.960 --> 01:23:29.960
um I just have a question um if I assume

01:23:31.480 --> 01:23:34.480
Oh I'm not sure how to put it um so will

01:23:34.639 --> 01:23:36.615
these heights apply across the whole of

01:23:36.639 --> 01:23:39.639
Shoalhaven they'll apply or is it just

01:23:40.320 --> 01:23:43.320
to apply to this particular development

01:23:44.080 --> 01:23:47.080
mr ceo thank you through  Mr chair um

01:23:48.560 --> 01:23:50.615
thanks councelor  look I think that

01:23:50.639 --> 01:23:53.639
the um wording is probably ambiguous

01:23:54.000 --> 01:23:55.096
enough that it would need to be

01:23:55.120 --> 01:23:57.175
tightened up and there is a a range of

01:23:57.199 --> 01:23:58.776
wording that should council have the

01:23:58.800 --> 01:24:00.856
appetite to proceed with this particular

01:24:00.880 --> 01:24:03.880
set of criteria  staff would certainly

01:24:04.080 --> 01:24:07.080
ask that the  wording be clarified 

01:24:07.520 --> 01:24:10.520
so that those those points  including

01:24:10.719 --> 01:24:13.336
um the FSR the height of buildings as it

01:24:13.360 --> 01:24:15.175
applies to components of the site and

01:24:15.199 --> 01:24:17.416
this particular site not the entirety of

01:24:17.440 --> 01:24:20.440
MU1 zoning  as well as some  some

01:24:21.199 --> 01:24:23.416
other elements be  incorporated for

01:24:23.440 --> 01:24:25.776
your consideration

01:24:25.800 --> 01:24:28.800
um would it be a little unfair to just

01:24:29.280 --> 01:24:31.655
have Alladala exposed to these heights

01:24:31.679 --> 01:24:34.056
couldn't we why why wouldn't we want to

01:24:34.080 --> 01:24:37.080
have them every why why wouldn't the

01:24:37.199 --> 01:24:40.135
argument be to have them throughout the

01:24:40.159 --> 01:24:41.816
city

01:24:41.840 --> 01:24:44.776
 if they're so important in Aladala to

01:24:44.800 --> 01:24:47.096
produce housing why isn't it important

01:24:47.120 --> 01:24:49.576
for the whole of the city to have these

01:24:49.600 --> 01:24:51.096
heights

01:24:51.120 --> 01:24:53.256
i I can only take that as rhetorical

01:24:53.280 --> 01:24:55.336
council can you yes i mean look

01:24:55.360 --> 01:24:57.336
ultimately that is that that is a a

01:24:57.360 --> 01:25:00.360
question for the councilors um so is is

01:25:00.560 --> 01:25:03.560
an MU1 zoning  across the LGA an

01:25:04.480 --> 01:25:07.175
appropriate zone in the locations it

01:25:07.199 --> 01:25:09.496
currently sits  to have height

01:25:09.520 --> 01:25:12.376
increased to those those particular 

01:25:12.400 --> 01:25:14.615
height heights that are listed  still

01:25:14.639 --> 01:25:17.096
ambiguity about where and what 151 17

01:25:17.120 --> 01:25:20.120
and 21  would be or be located within

01:25:20.239 --> 01:25:23.239
either the different  zoned land or

01:25:23.520 --> 01:25:26.135
within individual parts of a zoned lot

01:25:26.159 --> 01:25:28.695
 so that requires clarification in and

01:25:28.719 --> 01:25:31.719
of itself um but yeah I mean look that

01:25:31.760 --> 01:25:33.096
that that's really a question that

01:25:33.120 --> 01:25:35.175
council should be  and will be

01:25:35.199 --> 01:25:37.655
tackling through the leap review process

01:25:37.679 --> 01:25:40.679
 in terms of zonings and heights

01:25:40.800 --> 01:25:43.800
 thank you councel Boyd and  Mr ceo

01:25:44.719 --> 01:25:47.719
Councelor Krikstolaitis

01:25:47.760 --> 01:25:50.760
um I just wanted to stand and say thank

01:25:50.960 --> 01:25:53.175
you to  Miss Sophie Quinn for her

01:25:53.199 --> 01:25:54.615
wonderful words that we're now about the

01:25:54.639 --> 01:25:57.639
vital

01:25:59.560 --> 01:26:02.560
Councelor Norris

01:26:03.440 --> 01:26:05.496
thanks Deputy Mayor Wilkins a question

01:26:05.520 --> 01:26:08.456
through you  I think it's going

01:26:08.480 --> 01:26:10.456
somewhere i I'll just put the question

01:26:10.480 --> 01:26:13.096
um will this guarantee housing is there

01:26:13.120 --> 01:26:15.896
a is there a better

01:26:15.920 --> 01:26:18.920
um zoning that could be put here to help

01:26:23.719 --> 01:26:26.215
 well that could be considered another

01:26:26.239 --> 01:26:27.976
rhetorical question but we'll put that

01:26:28.000 --> 01:26:29.406
to um

01:26:29.430 --> 01:26:31.856
[Music]

01:26:31.880 --> 01:26:34.880
to council CEO

01:26:35.440 --> 01:26:38.440
thank you M  look councilors it one of

01:26:39.840 --> 01:26:41.736
the risks I guess in in in looking at

01:26:41.760 --> 01:26:44.695
this is that MU1 zone land has a range

01:26:44.719 --> 01:26:47.719
of uses there is no guarantee that

01:26:48.159 --> 01:26:50.376
council can put in at this stage that

01:26:50.400 --> 01:26:52.296
this will deliver housing through a

01:26:52.320 --> 01:26:54.376
development application process it will

01:26:54.400 --> 01:26:56.615
and look I I will state that I've worked

01:26:56.639 --> 01:26:59.336
with both the deputies in the previous

01:26:59.360 --> 01:27:01.175
role as director and we've had a a very

01:27:01.199 --> 01:27:02.536
good working relationship so this is not

01:27:02.560 --> 01:27:05.336
an indictment of  the the applicants

01:27:05.360 --> 01:27:07.976
or or the proponents in this case it is

01:27:08.000 --> 01:27:09.736
just the reality of the planning system

01:27:09.760 --> 01:27:12.695
that a zoning has a range of 

01:27:12.719 --> 01:27:15.175
different permissible uses and through a

01:27:15.199 --> 01:27:17.896
resoning you cannot guarantee one of

01:27:17.920 --> 01:27:20.456
those particular uses i'll ask um Mr

01:27:20.480 --> 01:27:22.456
clark to comment further on on that if

01:27:22.480 --> 01:27:25.480
that's right Mr chair

01:27:27.040 --> 01:27:29.496
um so council's just going through the

01:27:29.520 --> 01:27:32.520
chair um I guess particularly a lot was

01:27:32.639 --> 01:27:33.976
made tonight about the affordable

01:27:34.000 --> 01:27:36.135
housing outcome um which is really

01:27:36.159 --> 01:27:38.056
appreciated um but there's actually

01:27:38.080 --> 01:27:40.536
nothing in the planning proposal and

01:27:40.560 --> 01:27:42.056
nothing in the material that was

01:27:42.080 --> 01:27:44.615
exhibited um that actually requires that

01:27:44.639 --> 01:27:47.639
outcome um yes there was  an offer of

01:27:48.159 --> 01:27:50.215
a VPA made as part of the planning

01:27:50.239 --> 01:27:52.776
proposal but that wasn't required by the

01:27:52.800 --> 01:27:54.856
gateway determination to be in place

01:27:54.880 --> 01:27:57.880
before the land was reszoneed um so I

01:27:58.000 --> 01:28:00.536
can't stand here with my hand on heart

01:28:00.560 --> 01:28:03.560
and say that outcome will be secured if

01:28:03.840 --> 01:28:06.215
the council wants to adopt the PP as

01:28:06.239 --> 01:28:08.776
exhibited as and as recommended 

01:28:08.800 --> 01:28:11.096
perhaps you may want to try and add some

01:28:11.120 --> 01:28:13.576
words to to that effect which I'm about

01:28:13.600 --> 01:28:15.655
to send to CL minutes and they can show

01:28:15.679 --> 01:28:18.056
them to you on the screen um they were

01:28:18.080 --> 01:28:20.376
reflected in the report that you had 

01:28:20.400 --> 01:28:23.016
two weeks ago and we suggested if you if

01:28:23.040 --> 01:28:24.936
you go with the recommendation that's on

01:28:24.960 --> 01:28:27.256
the screen you should also require an

01:28:27.280 --> 01:28:29.096
outcome be built into the amendment that

01:28:29.120 --> 01:28:32.120
requires that affordable housing outcome

01:28:36.239 --> 01:28:37.976
because what that does counselors is it

01:28:38.000 --> 01:28:39.576
gives you the certainty that what you've

01:28:39.600 --> 01:28:42.215
been promised tonight um eventuates

01:28:42.239 --> 01:28:43.976
because there's nothing at this point

01:28:44.000 --> 01:28:46.376
that requires that um I've just sent

01:28:46.400 --> 01:28:49.400
those words to CL minutes um

01:28:54.480 --> 01:28:57.175
yeah and sorry Lindsay just pointed out

01:28:57.199 --> 01:28:58.856
an error in the minute to me as the

01:28:58.880 --> 01:29:00.695
recommendation to me as well Shoalhaven

01:29:00.719 --> 01:29:03.719
leap 2014 not 2020

01:29:04.120 --> 01:29:07.120
2012 um so the wording I've just sent to

01:29:07.360 --> 01:29:10.360
see minutes I would suggest go after 

01:29:10.719 --> 01:29:13.719
0.1 so they become a new point 2 um

01:29:14.159 --> 01:29:16.056
Claire if you can just show them please

01:29:16.080 --> 01:29:19.080
that would be good

01:29:20.880 --> 01:29:23.880
so 0.1 stays the same 2 changes

01:29:27.600 --> 01:29:30.376
sorry

01:29:30.400 --> 01:29:33.400
oh sorry

01:29:33.840 --> 01:29:35.416
councilors what it what it is it's just

01:29:35.440 --> 01:29:37.256
simply saying that in finalizing the

01:29:37.280 --> 01:29:39.576
planning proposal  we layers with the

01:29:39.600 --> 01:29:40.856
department of planning to get a

01:29:40.880 --> 01:29:43.175
mechanism built into the leap amendment

01:29:43.199 --> 01:29:45.096
that requires the affordable housing

01:29:45.120 --> 01:29:47.016
outcome to be delivered as part of a

01:29:47.040 --> 01:29:48.576
future

01:29:48.600 --> 01:29:51.016
development the words will at some point

01:29:51.040 --> 01:29:54.040
appear

01:30:00.320 --> 01:30:02.536
thank you so yes essentially just says

01:30:02.560 --> 01:30:04.776
that we layers with the department on a

01:30:04.800 --> 01:30:06.695
potential local provision to be included

01:30:06.719 --> 01:30:08.776
in the amendment that requires the

01:30:08.800 --> 01:30:10.376
delivery of the promised affordable

01:30:10.400 --> 01:30:12.376
housing outcome given the gateway

01:30:12.400 --> 01:30:14.615
determination doesn't require a VPA to

01:30:14.639 --> 01:30:16.856
be entered into before the leap is

01:30:16.880 --> 01:30:19.576
amended so it's kind of saying we need

01:30:19.600 --> 01:30:21.736
that security when the LEP has amended

01:30:21.760 --> 01:30:24.615
that any future DA  will provide that

01:30:24.639 --> 01:30:26.536
outcome

01:30:26.560 --> 01:30:29.560
do I have a mover for that amendment

01:30:29.679 --> 01:30:32.056
not picking from you i'm explaining move

01:30:32.080 --> 01:30:34.056
by  councelor Kemp do I have a

01:30:34.080 --> 01:30:37.016
seconder for the amendment from Mr clark

01:30:37.040 --> 01:30:38.336
councelor

01:30:38.360 --> 01:30:41.360
Clancy so we'll continue  the

01:30:41.719 --> 01:30:44.719
discussion  with that now as the mo as

01:30:45.040 --> 01:30:47.336
the recommendation

01:30:47.360 --> 01:30:50.360
 Council Proudfoot yes thanks Mr chair

01:30:51.360 --> 01:30:53.536
i've just received some advice from my

01:30:53.560 --> 01:30:56.056
colleagues to my right and  I

01:30:56.080 --> 01:30:59.080
appreciate it u when when I read the the

01:31:00.199 --> 01:31:03.135
motion I read this motion

01:31:03.159 --> 01:31:06.159
as referring to directly 131 St vincent

01:31:06.960 --> 01:31:09.536
Street Dollar

01:31:09.560 --> 01:31:12.560
and I was concerned that the affordable

01:31:13.000 --> 01:31:16.000
housing wasn't written in but now it is

01:31:16.239 --> 01:31:18.376
so I I still need greater assurance that

01:31:18.400 --> 01:31:20.456
that this is for that site it's a

01:31:20.480 --> 01:31:23.175
planning proposal for that site it it

01:31:23.199 --> 01:31:24.776
doesn't necessarily mean that that will

01:31:24.800 --> 01:31:27.800
be adopted across the city  as some

01:31:28.800 --> 01:31:31.800
people seem to think it will  our CEO

01:31:32.480 --> 01:31:35.416
acting CEO said that  it it did have a

01:31:35.440 --> 01:31:36.655
degree of

01:31:36.679 --> 01:31:39.679
ambiguity so we need to rule out the

01:31:40.239 --> 01:31:42.296
ambiguity and to make sure we're talking

01:31:42.320 --> 01:31:44.695
about one planning proposal that's been

01:31:44.719 --> 01:31:47.719
given a gateway at this

01:31:47.880 --> 01:31:50.880
stage that essentially is my fairly

01:31:51.440 --> 01:31:53.175
long-winded question can we rule that

01:31:53.199 --> 01:31:56.199
ambiguity out

01:31:56.320 --> 01:31:58.296
thank you through you Mr chair and I do

01:31:58.320 --> 01:32:00.376
apologize councelor i was just um

01:32:00.400 --> 01:32:03.400
convening with  with the the chair um

01:32:03.679 --> 01:32:06.679
ambiguity in terms of  the potential

01:32:07.600 --> 01:32:10.536
land uses the height of buildings and

01:32:10.560 --> 01:32:13.096
the um impact across whole or part of

01:32:13.120 --> 01:32:15.016
the site in in terms of floor space

01:32:15.040 --> 01:32:17.896
ratio  I think it can be ruled out to

01:32:17.920 --> 01:32:20.215
a degree i think the inclusion of point

01:32:20.239 --> 01:32:23.239
new 2 introduced as the amendment 

01:32:23.280 --> 01:32:25.496
goes some way to to shoring up at least

01:32:25.520 --> 01:32:28.376
some of the the um land use that has

01:32:28.400 --> 01:32:30.296
been proposed and talked about here

01:32:30.320 --> 01:32:31.976
today as opposed to another land use

01:32:32.000 --> 01:32:34.135
because an MU1 zone you could end up

01:32:34.159 --> 01:32:36.615
with a 21 m religious  place of public

01:32:36.639 --> 01:32:38.856
worship  you could end up with a 21 m

01:32:38.880 --> 01:32:40.615
 commercial building  there's

01:32:40.639 --> 01:32:43.096
there's no no specific guarantee there

01:32:43.120 --> 01:32:46.120
 in terms of the maximum height of

01:32:46.760 --> 01:32:49.760
buildings my read of this not wi

01:32:50.920 --> 01:32:53.896
without having any any prior knowledge

01:32:53.920 --> 01:32:56.695
of the intricacies of the the proposal

01:32:56.719 --> 01:32:59.416
um there I'm unsure as to where the 15

01:32:59.440 --> 01:33:02.056
17 and 21  would go on the site so I

01:33:02.080 --> 01:33:04.215
think there needs to be some qualifiers

01:33:04.239 --> 01:33:06.376
 to remove the ambiguity around 

01:33:06.400 --> 01:33:07.576
around the height of building whether

01:33:07.600 --> 01:33:09.816
that's  I think that the deputy

01:33:09.840 --> 01:33:11.816
basically alluded to it being from the

01:33:11.840 --> 01:33:13.096
south of the site to the north of the

01:33:13.120 --> 01:33:15.336
site  and then the FSR I think it

01:33:15.360 --> 01:33:17.256
would would just be a a given across the

01:33:17.280 --> 01:33:19.175
entire priority of the site  whereas

01:33:19.199 --> 01:33:21.496
it may be applicable to a a portion of

01:33:21.520 --> 01:33:23.816
the site or or otherwise the other way

01:33:23.840 --> 01:33:25.736
to remove ambiguity through this would

01:33:25.760 --> 01:33:28.135
potentially be split zoning  so the

01:33:28.159 --> 01:33:31.159
the the  maintaining a a split 

01:33:31.520 --> 01:33:34.215
across the site of or sorry proposing a

01:33:34.239 --> 01:33:37.239
split across the site of MU1 and a 

01:33:37.840 --> 01:33:40.296
medium density residential  that could

01:33:40.320 --> 01:33:43.096
potentially achieve  the the lock in

01:33:43.120 --> 01:33:44.856
and  and ensure the the intended

01:33:44.880 --> 01:33:46.456
housing outcomes while still allowing

01:33:46.480 --> 01:33:48.215
commercial and other uses on the site

01:33:48.239 --> 01:33:50.056
it's probably too far outside the scope

01:33:50.080 --> 01:33:52.856
of the  of the the amended  of the

01:33:52.880 --> 01:33:55.336
um notice of motion  proposal that's

01:33:55.360 --> 01:33:57.175
 that's here tabled at the moment can

01:33:57.199 --> 01:34:00.056
I just draw attention to No excuse me

01:34:00.080 --> 01:34:02.936
not not from the floor no  no

01:34:02.960 --> 01:34:05.096
interjections from the from the gallery

01:34:05.120 --> 01:34:06.695
thank you very much councelor Proudoot

01:34:06.719 --> 01:34:09.576
well can we incorporate the as exhibited

01:34:09.600 --> 01:34:10.655
into the

01:34:10.679 --> 01:34:13.679
motion  and where would be the most

01:34:13.920 --> 01:34:16.376
appropriate place to insert that now

01:34:16.400 --> 01:34:19.400
through you to  the CEO

01:34:21.040 --> 01:34:23.736
through you  chair it is it is

01:34:23.760 --> 01:34:25.896
referenced in the first part of the of

01:34:25.920 --> 01:34:28.776
the motion so  131 business street

01:34:28.800 --> 01:34:30.936
Alladala as exhibited to amend the leap

01:34:30.960 --> 01:34:33.816
as follows etc etc i might ask  Mr

01:34:33.840 --> 01:34:35.496
clark if he has any further comments as

01:34:35.520 --> 01:34:37.816
to how that  that ambiguity may be

01:34:37.840 --> 01:34:39.896
further relieved um so council is the

01:34:39.920 --> 01:34:42.456
the as is the as exhibited is is

01:34:42.480 --> 01:34:44.655
relevant because within the planning

01:34:44.679 --> 01:34:47.679
proposal whilst the site is reszone to

01:34:47.760 --> 01:34:50.536
MU1 that's shown um the different

01:34:50.560 --> 01:34:53.096
components of the height are mapped 

01:34:53.120 --> 01:34:54.936
within the planning proposal and they

01:34:54.960 --> 01:34:57.175
will form the future amendment to the

01:34:57.199 --> 01:35:00.199
leap so it's not saying that site has 15

01:35:00.400 --> 01:35:03.400
17 and 21 meters in words it shows it

01:35:03.679 --> 01:35:06.215
mapped in in different quadrants of the

01:35:06.239 --> 01:35:08.536
site so it's actually shown in the

01:35:08.560 --> 01:35:10.936
planning proposal okay so it's not

01:35:10.960 --> 01:35:12.776
saying you could end up with 21 meters

01:35:12.800 --> 01:35:14.296
across the whole site because only

01:35:14.320 --> 01:35:17.175
components are mapped at 21 m okay well

01:35:17.199 --> 01:35:18.856
that gives me great comfort i support it

01:35:18.880 --> 01:35:21.736
then  thank you councel Bradford just

01:35:21.760 --> 01:35:23.655
backtracking one moment i know we have

01:35:23.679 --> 01:35:25.736
had a mover in a second but lack of

01:35:25.760 --> 01:35:28.760
experience as  made a technical error

01:35:29.040 --> 01:35:31.816
there  councelor Casmiri do you agree

01:35:31.840 --> 01:35:34.536
as the  as the mover of the original

01:35:34.560 --> 01:35:36.536
motion do you agree with the  the

01:35:36.560 --> 01:35:38.776
amendment there

01:35:38.800 --> 01:35:41.496
yes I do thank you thank you Council

01:35:41.520 --> 01:35:44.520
Casmiri councelor Kemp thank you

01:35:44.760 --> 01:35:47.215
um look because we were

01:35:47.239 --> 01:35:50.239
promised Thank you U Mr chair  because

01:35:50.560 --> 01:35:52.816
we were promised the 50 affordable

01:35:52.840 --> 01:35:55.840
housing is um would Mr clark and M 

01:35:57.840 --> 01:36:00.256
Councelor

01:36:00.280 --> 01:36:03.280
Casmir accept a minor alteration of 50

01:36:04.800 --> 01:36:07.800
affordable housing within

01:36:08.199 --> 01:36:10.976
that number two

01:36:11.000 --> 01:36:14.000
there a minimum of or 50 or

01:36:16.199 --> 01:36:19.199
more just so that would be the promise

01:36:19.760 --> 01:36:22.615
it was already promised on the floor as

01:36:22.639 --> 01:36:25.639
stated by the deputy so

01:36:26.800 --> 01:36:29.800
would Mr clark and

01:36:30.320 --> 01:36:33.175
minimum of 50 Mr clark  so through the

01:36:33.199 --> 01:36:35.976
chair councilors um I guess the more

01:36:36.000 --> 01:36:38.695
clarity the better whilst um that is the

01:36:38.719 --> 01:36:41.719
the promised outcome um as council it's

01:36:42.080 --> 01:36:43.896
really up to you you may want to be more

01:36:43.920 --> 01:36:46.695
specific and um refer to the outcome

01:36:46.719 --> 01:36:48.936
that was mentioned here tonight um that

01:36:48.960 --> 01:36:51.456
way at least there's no  there's

01:36:51.480 --> 01:36:54.480
no there's clarity around it thank you

01:36:54.880 --> 01:36:57.256
Mr clark reduces the ambiguity I think

01:36:57.280 --> 01:36:59.896
of  people wondering if that will

01:36:59.920 --> 01:37:02.920
really happen that's all thank you so

01:37:03.600 --> 01:37:06.600
we'll take that  slight amendment um

01:37:06.960 --> 01:37:09.960
to the motion and  councelor Cox sorry

01:37:10.880 --> 01:37:12.536
just a question um because obviously

01:37:12.560 --> 01:37:14.376
you're restricting it to numbers and it

01:37:14.400 --> 01:37:15.736
would appear just looking at that it's

01:37:15.760 --> 01:37:17.896
almost like thirds so would you not do

01:37:17.920 --> 01:37:19.655
better putting in as a a minimum

01:37:19.679 --> 01:37:22.679
percentage of like 25 30% as opposed to

01:37:23.040 --> 01:37:25.016
a specific number because obviously you

01:37:25.040 --> 01:37:26.536
don't know exactly how this is going to

01:37:26.560 --> 01:37:29.560
land

01:37:35.440 --> 01:37:38.440
again we might defer to the  the CEO

01:37:50.280 --> 01:37:53.280
reperc in a moment we'll go to Mr clark

01:38:02.080 --> 01:38:05.080
yes

01:38:16.159 --> 01:38:18.376
councilors yes a percentage is probably

01:38:18.400 --> 01:38:21.400
a more um relevant  metric to

01:38:22.080 --> 01:38:24.976
incorporate um given that the as the

01:38:25.000 --> 01:38:26.736
deputies

01:38:26.760 --> 01:38:28.936
expressed once the design is done

01:38:28.960 --> 01:38:30.856
through the DA stage there may be a

01:38:30.880 --> 01:38:32.776
shift in the total numbers or the total

01:38:32.800 --> 01:38:35.800
 equivalent tenementss etc um the

01:38:37.760 --> 01:38:39.816
trigger for bonuses under the housing se

01:38:39.840 --> 01:38:42.840
is 15% I believe so um the Oh 10% thank

01:38:44.719 --> 01:38:47.016
you um 10% it's been a while since I've

01:38:47.040 --> 01:38:49.256
looked at the housing set  so look you

01:38:49.280 --> 01:38:51.576
you may wish to to work a percentage in

01:38:51.600 --> 01:38:54.600
around  a minimum requirement  which

01:38:54.960 --> 01:38:57.736
can then be potentially increased by 

01:38:57.760 --> 01:38:59.896
whoever the applicant is in in in the

01:38:59.920 --> 01:39:02.056
future to look at whether or not they

01:39:02.080 --> 01:39:04.376
achieve additional height and floor

01:39:04.400 --> 01:39:07.400
space bonuses

01:39:08.320 --> 01:39:10.695
um I would just say then probably take

01:39:10.719 --> 01:39:12.695
take a recommendation if that's if

01:39:12.719 --> 01:39:14.536
that's okay but I think what we're

01:39:14.560 --> 01:39:16.776
trying to achieve here and obviously um

01:39:16.800 --> 01:39:19.256
the ladies gave um a good deputation and

01:39:19.280 --> 01:39:20.856
it's a case of we've take them at their

01:39:20.880 --> 01:39:22.296
word that there's going to be affordable

01:39:22.320 --> 01:39:24.376
housing built into this it's just a case

01:39:24.400 --> 01:39:25.896
of we obviously just want to tighten up

01:39:25.920 --> 01:39:28.920
for um for obvious reasons through

01:39:28.960 --> 01:39:31.336
through your chair um councilors I've

01:39:31.360 --> 01:39:33.976
I've made a career of doing this i've bu

01:39:34.000 --> 01:39:35.896
I've worked as the director of planning

01:39:35.920 --> 01:39:38.456
for some of the largest green field CBD

01:39:38.480 --> 01:39:41.480
de development sites in the country um

01:39:41.600 --> 01:39:43.736
 as I said before we've had a very

01:39:43.760 --> 01:39:45.655
good working relationship with with the

01:39:45.679 --> 01:39:48.296
two deputes  there are no guarantees

01:39:48.320 --> 01:39:50.095
for council and

01:39:50.119 --> 01:39:53.119
anyone with the yeah so the the the more

01:39:54.239 --> 01:39:56.376
clarity you can give yourself here

01:39:56.400 --> 01:39:59.095
through this resolution before moving to

01:39:59.119 --> 01:40:01.736
a  to finalize the planning proposal

01:40:01.760 --> 01:40:04.296
the better off you are the risk without

01:40:04.320 --> 01:40:06.776
incorporating this is there is no

01:40:06.800 --> 01:40:09.736
guarantee of housing an MU1 zone can

01:40:09.760 --> 01:40:11.736
have commercial it can have a place of

01:40:11.760 --> 01:40:13.736
public worship it can have a a tourist

01:40:13.760 --> 01:40:16.536
facility  it can have residential um

01:40:16.560 --> 01:40:18.695
but there are no guarantees that that is

01:40:18.719 --> 01:40:21.256
what council will receive through a DA

01:40:21.280 --> 01:40:22.655
 in into the

01:40:22.679 --> 01:40:25.679
future um I might go to director Usher

01:40:26.320 --> 01:40:29.016
for a comment on percentage of 

01:40:29.040 --> 01:40:31.016
affordable housing potentially to be

01:40:31.040 --> 01:40:32.936
incorporated

01:40:32.960 --> 01:40:35.816
through you Mr chair um I understand

01:40:35.840 --> 01:40:37.816
there was discussion earlier in the

01:40:37.840 --> 01:40:40.840
presentations of around 50 um from

01:40:40.880 --> 01:40:43.880
memory the SEP requires 15% as a minimum

01:40:44.719 --> 01:40:46.536
so it's up really to council as what

01:40:46.560 --> 01:40:48.215
they want to set the the limit at or the

01:40:48.239 --> 01:40:51.239
minimum at whether it's 50 or 15 um it's

01:40:51.520 --> 01:40:52.856
up to you as to which one you would like

01:40:52.880 --> 01:40:55.880
to adopt

01:40:56.719 --> 01:40:59.719
well 15  15% seems a reasonable number

01:41:00.800 --> 01:41:03.256
 will councelor Cox would that 

01:41:03.280 --> 01:41:06.215
satisfy you no I think I think based on

01:41:06.239 --> 01:41:08.456
the numbers sorry just to to bounce that

01:41:08.480 --> 01:41:11.480
back off you um chair would be that it

01:41:11.520 --> 01:41:13.496
seemed to me like it was it was thirds

01:41:13.520 --> 01:41:15.416
so I think we should be looking at 25 or

01:41:15.440 --> 01:41:18.416
30

01:41:18.440 --> 01:41:20.776
30% in this if we're talking about a

01:41:20.800 --> 01:41:22.376
specific site we're not you know that's

01:41:22.400 --> 01:41:24.296
it i'm just saying so you're saying it's

01:41:24.320 --> 01:41:26.776
open to us um I would say we're looking

01:41:26.800 --> 01:41:29.336
for affordable housing um it's it's part

01:41:29.360 --> 01:41:32.296
of this um proposal so let's let's ask

01:41:32.320 --> 01:41:33.576
for pretty much what they were offering

01:41:33.600 --> 01:41:36.376
in the first place thank you well let

01:41:36.400 --> 01:41:37.456
let's

01:41:37.480 --> 01:41:40.480
 accept it's up to councelor

01:41:42.119 --> 01:41:45.119
Casemiri should we normally go to 20% or

01:41:45.600 --> 01:41:48.456
25%

01:41:48.480 --> 01:41:51.416
i'm not sure if that can be in any way

01:41:51.440 --> 01:41:54.440
debated at a later stage by any state

01:41:55.400 --> 01:41:57.816
government ruling i know that recently

01:41:57.840 --> 01:42:00.536
one has been approved on a 10% and

01:42:00.560 --> 01:42:03.560
others 15% so I'm I'm I'm happy to leave

01:42:04.639 --> 01:42:07.639
it at 15% as is and then we move on

01:42:08.400 --> 01:42:11.400
thank you perhaps we could say  we go

01:42:11.760 --> 01:42:14.376
back to 50 or an equivalent percentage

01:42:14.400 --> 01:42:17.256
if we if we write if we write that in

01:42:17.280 --> 01:42:19.016
would that be possible that's might be

01:42:19.040 --> 01:42:21.976
about

01:42:22.000 --> 01:42:25.000
that something thank you 50 or so if we

01:42:25.600 --> 01:42:27.256
can put that wording in there we'll then

01:42:27.280 --> 01:42:30.280
get approval 50 houses or an equivalent

01:42:30.400 --> 01:42:32.215
percentage because I think if we're

01:42:32.239 --> 01:42:35.016
dealing in  you know 20 or 25 it's

01:42:35.040 --> 01:42:37.776
highly

01:42:37.800 --> 01:42:40.800
speculative and 50 and 10 that's right

01:42:42.960 --> 01:42:45.336
mr chair I I I just I must make council

01:42:45.360 --> 01:42:47.496
aware so that you're well appraised of

01:42:47.520 --> 01:42:48.936
the decision that you are potentially

01:42:48.960 --> 01:42:51.960
about to make that this will  this

01:42:52.400 --> 01:42:55.175
will that the delivery of a percentage

01:42:55.199 --> 01:42:57.576
above 10% will trigger additional

01:42:57.600 --> 01:43:00.056
bonuses including height and floor space

01:43:00.080 --> 01:43:03.080
under the the housing set  so there

01:43:03.119 --> 01:43:05.736
there yeah so that there there is a

01:43:05.760 --> 01:43:08.056
hyper potential that there will be an

01:43:08.080 --> 01:43:10.376
increase on height if if it is delivered

01:43:10.400 --> 01:43:12.296
if if the DA is approved and it is

01:43:12.320 --> 01:43:14.456
delivered with that  component of

01:43:14.480 --> 01:43:15.976
affordable housing that this would be

01:43:16.000 --> 01:43:19.000
above 21 m and  in excess of the 3.5

01:43:19.600 --> 01:43:22.600
to to one floor space ratio

01:43:25.600 --> 01:43:28.376
thank you  acting CEO we'll take

01:43:28.400 --> 01:43:31.400
councelor Kazmir do you agree with the

01:43:31.520 --> 01:43:33.976
 the change the amendment to the

01:43:34.000 --> 01:43:37.000
amendment yes thank you Councelor Kemp

01:43:38.639 --> 01:43:41.639
i'll just And thank you Mr chair an

01:43:41.679 --> 01:43:44.679
alternative idea may help solve those

01:43:45.199 --> 01:43:48.199
problems that um our CEO just stated is

01:43:49.600 --> 01:43:52.600
it an option to put in that with 182

01:43:53.360 --> 01:43:56.360
proposed units 50 have been stated as

01:43:57.119 --> 01:43:59.695
affordable housing 10 for

01:43:59.719 --> 01:44:02.719
sale and on the the figures we base

01:44:03.520 --> 01:44:06.520
those upon we resolving that 50% be

01:44:08.400 --> 01:44:11.400
affordable housing um bas it on the

01:44:11.920 --> 01:44:14.920
figures that the deputy has promised um

01:44:15.119 --> 01:44:17.416
based on the discussion around the table

01:44:17.440 --> 01:44:20.440
and  and the ambiguity I'm going to 

01:44:20.639 --> 01:44:23.639
suggest that we we take this notice of

01:44:23.840 --> 01:44:26.840
motion to a briefing um we've gone from

01:44:27.040 --> 01:44:30.040
um 50 to  15% to 20% to 25% now we

01:44:32.159 --> 01:44:35.159
want to factor in  another 10  would

01:44:35.360 --> 01:44:38.360
we be of a mind to take this  to a

01:44:38.400 --> 01:44:40.215
briefing in the in the very near future

01:44:40.239 --> 01:44:43.239
to clear it up and and  and see if we

01:44:43.760 --> 01:44:46.760
can  come up with a decision there or

01:44:46.960 --> 01:44:49.336
 are we happy with  with going with

01:44:49.360 --> 01:44:51.896
number two as as it stands councelor

01:44:51.920 --> 01:44:53.736
Casemiri I'll put the ball back in your

01:44:53.760 --> 01:44:56.760
court as the  proposal of the motion

01:44:57.600 --> 01:44:59.976
yes fine as is thank you

01:45:00.000 --> 01:45:02.296
so you you want you'd like to stay as it

01:45:02.320 --> 01:45:05.175
is without going to a briefing

01:45:05.199 --> 01:45:08.199
yes yes liberty is okay

01:45:13.199 --> 01:45:14.896
i think that that's

01:45:14.920 --> 01:45:17.920
for aeshadowed

01:45:18.560 --> 01:45:21.095
so we have a  we'll we'll take that as

01:45:21.119 --> 01:45:22.776
a foreshadowed motion to go to a

01:45:22.800 --> 01:45:24.615
briefing briefing from councelor

01:45:24.639 --> 01:45:26.456
Krikstolaitis do I have a seconder for

01:45:26.480 --> 01:45:29.480
that council of the tribe  we're going

01:45:30.080 --> 01:45:33.080
to

01:45:36.199 --> 01:45:39.199
therefore accepted all

01:45:39.639 --> 01:45:42.639
changes just going straight to

01:45:46.159 --> 01:45:48.296
I think that's right yes so what we're

01:45:48.320 --> 01:45:51.320
going to do before we head to the um to

01:45:51.440 --> 01:45:53.736
the foreshadowed motion is we're going

01:45:53.760 --> 01:45:56.760
to vote for  for what's on screen so

01:45:58.639 --> 01:46:00.615
obviously those people who those

01:46:00.639 --> 01:46:03.175
councilors who feel that this should go

01:46:03.199 --> 01:46:06.199
to a briefing  can can vote against

01:46:06.560 --> 01:46:08.615
this  this particular amendment and if

01:46:08.639 --> 01:46:11.416
we'd like to  to go to a briefing that

01:46:11.440 --> 01:46:14.440
will come up as a foreshadowed motion in

01:46:14.639 --> 01:46:17.639
just a sec so  we'll  vote for the

01:46:20.159 --> 01:46:23.159
amendment as is at the moment

01:46:28.000 --> 01:46:30.296
against thank you

01:46:30.320 --> 01:46:33.320
Council Morris

01:46:34.360 --> 01:46:37.360
against Johnston thank you against thank

01:46:37.760 --> 01:46:40.135
you

01:46:40.159 --> 01:46:43.159
 so we have a count of seven  four

01:46:44.239 --> 01:46:46.056
in favor of the motion with the

01:46:46.080 --> 01:46:47.736
amendment

01:46:47.760 --> 01:46:50.760
 presented by Mr clark and Mr casmiri

01:46:51.600 --> 01:46:53.496
and four we have councelor Clancy

01:46:53.520 --> 01:46:56.376
Councelor Kemp Council Casmiri Councelor

01:46:56.400 --> 01:46:59.400
Cox Councelor Proudfoot Councelor Boyd

01:47:00.080 --> 01:47:03.016
and Councelor Wilkins and against we

01:47:03.040 --> 01:47:06.040
have councelor Tribe councelor Norris

01:47:06.719 --> 01:47:09.719
well councelor Boyd's changed a vote 

01:47:09.760 --> 01:47:11.816
councelor Boyd councelor Johnston and

01:47:11.840 --> 01:47:12.816
councelor

01:47:12.840 --> 01:47:15.840
criculitis  so it is 65  that is

01:47:17.639 --> 01:47:20.135
carried that notice of motion thank you

01:47:20.159 --> 01:47:23.159
all very much we now move to CL

01:47:24.920 --> 01:47:27.576
25160 notice of motion addressing

01:47:27.600 --> 01:47:29.655
illegal tobacco and vaping vaping

01:47:29.679 --> 01:47:32.679
concerns in the Shoalhaven and we'll

01:47:32.719 --> 01:47:35.719
call on councelor Clancy

01:47:37.440 --> 01:47:39.416
thank you Mr chair

01:47:39.440 --> 01:47:41.256
 tonight I'm presenting a critical

01:47:41.280 --> 01:47:43.736
notice of motion that builds upon the

01:47:43.760 --> 01:47:45.736
important work that was initiated by

01:47:45.760 --> 01:47:48.456
former councelor Serena CPPley it's

01:47:48.480 --> 01:47:50.536
addressing the alarming proliferation of

01:47:50.560 --> 01:47:52.856
tobacco and vaping retailers in our

01:47:52.880 --> 01:47:55.880
community particularly in NAR's CBD

01:47:56.080 --> 01:47:58.776
where nine stores now operate within

01:47:58.800 --> 01:48:01.800
walking distance of our schools

01:48:01.920 --> 01:48:04.695
following productive roundt discussions

01:48:04.719 --> 01:48:07.416
recently that I was a part of  and

01:48:07.440 --> 01:48:09.416
facilitated by the shadow health

01:48:09.440 --> 01:48:11.976
minister Kelly Sloan here in Nara we've

01:48:12.000 --> 01:48:13.615
gained valuable

01:48:13.639 --> 01:48:16.376
insight into the concerning growth of

01:48:16.400 --> 01:48:18.856
illegal tobacco trade and its links to

01:48:18.880 --> 01:48:21.880
the organized crime units the statistics

01:48:22.320 --> 01:48:24.776
are deeply concerning new South Wales

01:48:24.800 --> 01:48:27.800
has seen tobacco outlets increase from

01:48:28.040 --> 01:48:30.336
14,500 to

01:48:30.360 --> 01:48:33.360
19,500 in just four years with many

01:48:34.000 --> 01:48:36.296
linked to organized crime and illegal

01:48:36.320 --> 01:48:39.320
sales to children our young people are

01:48:39.920 --> 01:48:42.215
being exposed to products containing

01:48:42.239 --> 01:48:45.239
harmful toxic chemicals often mislabeled

01:48:45.600 --> 01:48:48.215
as nicotine-free when they contain high

01:48:48.239 --> 01:48:51.175
levels of addictive nicotine the problem

01:48:51.199 --> 01:48:53.256
has become so severe that our schools

01:48:53.280 --> 01:48:55.896
across the Shoalhaven are now installing

01:48:55.920 --> 01:48:58.920
vaping sensors in toilets to detect

01:48:59.440 --> 01:49:02.056
student use

01:49:02.080 --> 01:49:04.615
this motion calls for a decisive action

01:49:04.639 --> 01:49:06.536
supporting the proposed upper house

01:49:06.560 --> 01:49:09.256
inquiry into illegal tobacco sales

01:49:09.280 --> 01:49:11.016
advocating for stronger planning

01:49:11.040 --> 01:49:13.016
controls that require development

01:49:13.040 --> 01:49:15.655
applications for new tobacco stores

01:49:15.679 --> 01:49:17.976
requesting enhanced education programs

01:49:18.000 --> 01:49:20.376
in our schools and demanding increased

01:49:20.400 --> 01:49:23.400
enforcement resources for our region the

01:49:23.600 --> 01:49:26.456
recommendations in this motion

01:49:26.480 --> 01:49:29.095
 come from or could possibly form the

01:49:29.119 --> 01:49:31.655
basis of council's submission to the

01:49:31.679 --> 01:49:34.576
inquiry which is currently open for

01:49:34.600 --> 01:49:37.336
exhibition we cannot stand by while our

01:49:37.360 --> 01:49:39.536
children's health is compromised by

01:49:39.560 --> 01:49:42.560
unchecked growth and sorry unchecked

01:49:44.000 --> 01:49:46.376
growth of these harmful businesses

01:49:46.400 --> 01:49:49.400
operating right at their school gates

01:49:49.440 --> 01:49:52.296
this is about protecting our community

01:49:52.320 --> 01:49:55.016
our community's future and ensuring our

01:49:55.040 --> 01:49:57.536
planning framework prevents future

01:49:57.560 --> 01:50:00.215
clustering of these retailers near

01:50:00.239 --> 01:50:01.376
vulnerable

01:50:01.400 --> 01:50:04.400
populations i urge for your I urge your

01:50:04.480 --> 01:50:06.695
support for this comprehensive approach

01:50:06.719 --> 01:50:09.719
to tackle what shadow minister um

01:50:09.760 --> 01:50:11.336
correction what shadow health minister

01:50:11.360 --> 01:50:14.360
Kelly Sloan has called a huge problem

01:50:14.400 --> 01:50:17.400
and demand immediate action

01:50:20.400 --> 01:50:22.376
 councelor Clancy thank you councelor

01:50:22.400 --> 01:50:25.400
Crystalitis  thank you and I do thank

01:50:25.440 --> 01:50:26.776
councelor Clinty for bringing this to

01:50:26.800 --> 01:50:29.296
the table it's  really important and

01:50:29.320 --> 01:50:32.320
 absolutely right um I do have which

01:50:34.000 --> 01:50:36.615
I've  sent to governance  some

01:50:36.639 --> 01:50:38.376
amendments on this having now spoken to

01:50:38.400 --> 01:50:40.776
the department of health and  the

01:50:40.800 --> 01:50:43.800
relevant ministers as well essentially

01:50:43.920 --> 01:50:45.816
the recommendation leaves 1 two and

01:50:45.840 --> 01:50:48.840
three intact exactly right changes 

01:50:49.360 --> 01:50:52.360
replaces four with  that

01:50:52.520 --> 01:50:54.856
paragraph which is the up to-ate

01:50:54.880 --> 01:50:57.880
information

01:51:00.600 --> 01:51:03.175
yep no wait one we'll just get the Yep

01:51:03.199 --> 01:51:04.856
so that one there so that replaces that

01:51:04.880 --> 01:51:06.776
one that brings that up to date 

01:51:06.800 --> 01:51:07.936
leaves

01:51:07.960 --> 01:51:10.960
five replaces paragraph six which says

01:51:12.960 --> 01:51:15.416
revise its leap because we have now

01:51:15.440 --> 01:51:17.016
approval from the ministers from the

01:51:17.040 --> 01:51:19.135
state government to do that within our

01:51:19.159 --> 01:51:22.159
leaps 

01:51:25.840 --> 01:51:27.655
sorry I just heard that from the min I

01:51:27.679 --> 01:51:29.896
understood councelor Clinty um I heard

01:51:29.920 --> 01:51:31.655
that from the minister this morning um

01:51:31.679 --> 01:51:33.496
so that's definitely a thing that that

01:51:33.520 --> 01:51:36.296
does exist as of July last year

01:51:36.320 --> 01:51:39.320
 and brings in seven it then adds a

01:51:39.679 --> 01:51:42.679
paragraph 8 and a paragraph 9 that this

01:51:44.000 --> 01:51:45.655
will essentially a free thing we  can

01:51:45.679 --> 01:51:47.336
do an education program through our

01:51:47.360 --> 01:51:50.360
social media and um social media sites

01:51:52.080 --> 01:51:54.215
and especially advertise who to report

01:51:54.239 --> 01:51:56.056
to because one of the big problems

01:51:56.080 --> 01:51:57.575
actually I think at the moment is that

01:51:57.599 --> 01:51:59.336
we can't enforce it our rangers aren't

01:51:59.360 --> 01:52:01.256
able to it has to be reported through

01:52:01.280 --> 01:52:03.736
the Department of Health and that's and

01:52:03.760 --> 01:52:05.575
through that tobacco information line

01:52:05.599 --> 01:52:08.599
there so that's  the amendment and

01:52:09.760 --> 01:52:11.976
once again commending completely

01:52:12.000 --> 01:52:13.736
councelor Clancy's um interest in this

01:52:13.760 --> 01:52:15.575
because it's an important one especially

01:52:15.599 --> 01:52:18.215
those ones near schools is no good thank

01:52:18.239 --> 01:52:21.239
you  councelor Clancy do you agree

01:52:22.480 --> 01:52:25.480
concur with the amendment

01:52:26.599 --> 01:52:29.599
 I would like to get

01:52:29.960 --> 01:52:32.960
confirmation on 7 i haven't seen that in

01:52:33.440 --> 01:52:36.440
writing um so can I through you Mr chair

01:52:37.599 --> 01:52:40.599
ask if staff have any advice on that one

01:52:42.400 --> 01:52:44.856
through you Mr chair i'll um I'll defer

01:52:44.880 --> 01:52:47.880
to Director Usher and Mr clark um I'm

01:52:49.040 --> 01:52:52.040
not  personally aware of of those

01:52:52.159 --> 01:52:54.536
changes we did look at this  probably

01:52:54.560 --> 01:52:57.095
mid mid to late last year um so I'm not

01:52:57.119 --> 01:52:59.016
sure whether those have come in since 

01:52:59.040 --> 01:53:00.615
but I I'll ask the staff for further

01:53:00.639 --> 01:53:03.639
advice

01:53:03.840 --> 01:53:06.840
mr russia sorry Mr chair um Councelor

01:53:07.040 --> 01:53:10.040
Clancy referred to I think 7 but I think

01:53:14.599 --> 01:53:17.599
6 sorry I meant Yeah that's fine um look

01:53:17.920 --> 01:53:19.655
um I'm not aware of any changes i'm not

01:53:19.679 --> 01:53:21.175
too sure what advice the minister

01:53:21.199 --> 01:53:22.536
provided my understanding is when

01:53:22.560 --> 01:53:24.615
council did write to the department or

01:53:24.639 --> 01:53:27.175
the minister last year um the minister

01:53:27.199 --> 01:53:30.056
wrote back saying it wasn't possible my

01:53:30.080 --> 01:53:32.135
understanding is to back fall into the

01:53:32.159 --> 01:53:35.159
definition of a shop um and therefore um

01:53:36.080 --> 01:53:38.215
there's no ability to just restrict that

01:53:38.239 --> 01:53:41.239
one use um maybe with the reforms or

01:53:41.760 --> 01:53:43.095
discussion that's occurring at the

01:53:43.119 --> 01:53:45.175
moment within government around this

01:53:45.199 --> 01:53:46.776
topic that there may be an appetite

01:53:46.800 --> 01:53:48.376
within government to look at changing

01:53:48.400 --> 01:53:50.456
the standard LEP definitions to enable

01:53:50.480 --> 01:53:52.056
it but at the moment I'm not aware of

01:53:52.080 --> 01:53:55.080
that having had occurred

01:53:56.719 --> 01:53:59.575
am I speak  in just a second councelor

01:53:59.599 --> 01:54:01.376
Clancy the the

01:54:01.400 --> 01:54:03.816
the change the amendment is still with

01:54:03.840 --> 01:54:05.776
you do you accept  councelor

01:54:05.800 --> 01:54:08.800
Cricsters's  changes  no i I don't I

01:54:10.960 --> 01:54:13.496
appreciate I just would like to get some

01:54:13.520 --> 01:54:16.520
do the due diligence on those um those

01:54:17.440 --> 01:54:20.440
 point 6 and also um just confirm 0.1

01:54:21.679 --> 01:54:24.456
where you had the date change um I'm

01:54:24.480 --> 01:54:26.215
happy to add the social media i think

01:54:26.239 --> 01:54:28.615
that's a good addition that we is safe

01:54:28.639 --> 01:54:31.496
 just a a marketing and communications

01:54:31.520 --> 01:54:34.056
strategy i'm sure that if we look back

01:54:34.080 --> 01:54:36.615
there will be um media releases about

01:54:36.639 --> 01:54:38.856
this from our communications team anyway

01:54:38.880 --> 01:54:41.736
but we can enhance that and I do accept

01:54:41.760 --> 01:54:44.016
that one as an additional

01:54:44.040 --> 01:54:47.040
point um so where we stand is we have a

01:54:48.320 --> 01:54:51.320
a slight impass  should we should we

01:54:51.599 --> 01:54:54.599
remove  6 then and um and and perhaps

01:54:56.560 --> 01:54:59.016
introduce it at a later date so we 

01:54:59.040 --> 01:55:01.655
can push this  push this through is

01:55:01.679 --> 01:55:04.056
that possible chair yeah three through

01:55:04.080 --> 01:55:05.496
your chair council is this can be looked

01:55:05.520 --> 01:55:07.336
at at any time through the leap process

01:55:07.360 --> 01:55:10.215
depending on the the  the planning um

01:55:10.239 --> 01:55:12.615
laws that are in effect at that time so

01:55:12.639 --> 01:55:14.135
whether it's included or not it won't

01:55:14.159 --> 01:55:16.376
preclude council from looking at this as

01:55:16.400 --> 01:55:18.776
we proceed through the leap process in

01:55:18.800 --> 01:55:20.936
that in that regard you accept the 

01:55:20.960 --> 01:55:23.960
the amendment

01:55:25.199 --> 01:55:28.056
any more discussion on this  

01:55:28.080 --> 01:55:31.080
particular motion

01:55:31.800 --> 01:55:34.800
second council

01:55:34.880 --> 01:55:37.736
oh yeah councelor crystallitus  you

01:55:37.760 --> 01:55:40.376
seconded it do you agree

01:55:40.400 --> 01:55:42.936
sorry I'll move the Oh yeah second yeah

01:55:42.960 --> 01:55:45.856
definitely the amendment absolutely

01:55:45.880 --> 01:55:48.856
please amendment accepted by councel and

01:55:48.880 --> 01:55:50.695
the amendment is accepted by councelor

01:55:50.719 --> 01:55:53.719
Clancy

01:55:55.840 --> 01:55:58.840
bearing in mind we as advised by the

01:55:59.040 --> 01:56:02.040
acting CEO it can be raised at any time

01:56:03.760 --> 01:56:06.296
social media marketing media well we're

01:56:06.320 --> 01:56:08.615
not no we're we're leaving 6 in because

01:56:08.639 --> 01:56:11.095
that can be 

01:56:11.119 --> 01:56:13.256
that can be discussed it can be taken

01:56:13.280 --> 01:56:16.280
out of the left

01:56:17.040 --> 01:56:19.135
no worries all

01:56:19.159 --> 01:56:22.159
right any further discussion

01:56:23.760 --> 01:56:26.376
all right we're going to  vote on the

01:56:26.400 --> 01:56:28.776
 the motion with the amendment the

01:56:28.800 --> 01:56:30.695
motion from councelor Clancy the

01:56:30.719 --> 01:56:32.856
amendment which became the motion from

01:56:32.880 --> 01:56:35.256
councelor cricitus let's head to the

01:56:35.280 --> 01:56:38.280
machines

01:56:39.760 --> 01:56:42.760
four for councelor Johnston thank you

01:56:46.639 --> 01:56:49.496
councelor Norris

01:56:49.520 --> 01:56:51.976
four for council

01:56:52.000 --> 01:56:54.215
four for councelor D sorry councelor

01:56:54.239 --> 01:56:57.239
Dunn has returned welcome back after

01:56:57.760 --> 01:57:00.575
absenting through the previous two

01:57:00.599 --> 01:57:03.599
motions  we're still missing one

01:57:04.960 --> 01:57:07.655
oh

01:57:07.679 --> 01:57:10.679
thank you was it me could have been

01:57:14.199 --> 01:57:17.199
me so we'll declare that carried 1114

01:57:18.800 --> 01:57:21.800
councelor Clancy Councelor Casmiri

01:57:21.840 --> 01:57:24.215
Councelor Dunn Councelor Cox Councelor

01:57:24.239 --> 01:57:26.056
Proudfoot Councelor Tribe Councelor

01:57:26.080 --> 01:57:28.695
Norris Councelor Boyd Councelor Johnston

01:57:28.719 --> 01:57:30.615
Councelor Crystalitus and Councelor

01:57:30.639 --> 01:57:33.639
Wilkins and against Councelor Kemp thank

01:57:34.040 --> 01:57:37.040
you let's now move to the notice of

01:57:37.520 --> 01:57:40.520
motion CL 25161 Shoalhaven War

01:57:41.320 --> 01:57:44.320
Memorials councelor Clancy thank you Mr

01:57:45.119 --> 01:57:48.119
chair um first of all I'd like to begin

01:57:48.639 --> 01:57:51.095
by thanking  Mr chris George for his

01:57:51.119 --> 01:57:53.976
comprehensive deputation tonight um

01:57:54.000 --> 01:57:56.536
Chris has highlighted critical gaps in

01:57:56.560 --> 01:57:59.175
 how we preserve and honor our war

01:57:59.199 --> 01:58:01.056
memorials particularly the wall of

01:58:01.080 --> 01:58:04.080
remembrance recording 50 RAF RN and Army

01:58:05.599 --> 01:58:07.856
casualties from World War

01:58:07.880 --> 01:58:10.695
II um I'd also like to point out that

01:58:10.719 --> 01:58:12.615
when this was discovered it was

01:58:12.639 --> 01:58:15.639
discovered in quite a derelict state

01:58:15.920 --> 01:58:17.816
chris's research has revealed

01:58:17.840 --> 01:58:20.655
significant issues including the

01:58:20.679 --> 01:58:23.679
unregistered RAF 107 squadron memorial

01:58:24.639 --> 01:58:27.496
on Island Point Road questions about the

01:58:27.520 --> 01:58:29.976
Court of Remembrance dedication status

01:58:30.000 --> 01:58:32.215
and the concerning exclusion of some

01:58:32.239 --> 01:58:34.896
fallen personnel from appropriate

01:58:34.920 --> 01:58:37.575
recognition correction recognition due

01:58:37.599 --> 01:58:40.599
to policy interpretations about single

01:58:41.119 --> 01:58:44.119
service memorials

01:58:45.119 --> 01:58:47.256
my notice of motion seeks to address

01:58:47.280 --> 01:58:50.280
these challenges 

01:58:50.599 --> 01:58:53.256
collaboratively we have an opportunity

01:58:53.280 --> 01:58:55.175
here to improve our approach through

01:58:55.199 --> 01:58:58.199
establishing a comprehensive memorial

01:58:58.440 --> 01:59:01.440
register clearer engagement

01:59:01.639 --> 01:59:04.639
protocols and more consistent processes

01:59:05.760 --> 01:59:08.760
while we've successfully secured $60,000

01:59:09.199 --> 01:59:11.816
in funding over the last three years

01:59:11.840 --> 01:59:14.056
there are opportunities to strengthen

01:59:14.080 --> 01:59:17.080
coordination between council RSL and

01:59:18.239 --> 01:59:20.296
other stakeholders including clearer

01:59:20.320 --> 01:59:22.056
communication pathways that would

01:59:22.080 --> 01:59:25.080
benefit everybody involved our Shaw

01:59:25.199 --> 01:59:28.199
Haven military  heritage is remarkable

01:59:28.960 --> 01:59:31.960
world War II several thousand personnel

01:59:32.080 --> 01:59:33.896
undertook some of the most hazardous

01:59:33.920 --> 01:59:36.920
aviation operations including torpedo

01:59:37.040 --> 01:59:40.040
strikes and aircraft carrier

01:59:40.520 --> 01:59:42.736
operations many made the ultimate

01:59:42.760 --> 01:59:45.175
sacrifice and this unique history

01:59:45.199 --> 01:59:48.199
deserves proper recognition and

01:59:48.599 --> 01:59:51.599
preservation timing is critical we need

01:59:51.679 --> 01:59:53.655
to establish these foundations during

01:59:53.679 --> 01:59:56.679
our term of council so that the next

01:59:56.800 --> 01:59:58.856
council is well positioned to progress

01:59:58.880 --> 02:00:01.880
our memorials effectively some RSL

02:00:02.159 --> 02:00:04.695
subbranches may wish to expand memorials

02:00:04.719 --> 02:00:06.695
to include contemporary conflicts like

02:00:06.719 --> 02:00:09.719
Afghanistan and Iraq and we've we have

02:00:10.480 --> 02:00:12.456
the Narrow Memorial's 100year

02:00:12.480 --> 02:00:15.175
anniversary approaching in about 5 years

02:00:15.199 --> 02:00:18.175
time it needs to be ready to be

02:00:18.199 --> 02:00:20.736
celebrated and it needs to be

02:00:20.760 --> 02:00:23.760
appropriately

02:00:25.000 --> 02:00:28.000
maintained um I have on reflection had a

02:00:29.920 --> 02:00:32.920
look at the recommendations and um I do

02:00:33.679 --> 02:00:36.376
have an amendment that I'd like to put

02:00:36.400 --> 02:00:39.400
forward if I do that now or do I wait

02:00:39.599 --> 02:00:42.599
okay you do so um given the complexity

02:00:44.000 --> 02:00:46.376
and potential budget implications that

02:00:46.400 --> 02:00:48.856
we can't determine this evening I'd like

02:00:48.880 --> 02:00:51.880
to move that points two four and five be

02:00:53.119 --> 02:00:56.119
referred to staff for a

02:00:56.760 --> 02:00:59.175
briefing we just we need detailed

02:00:59.199 --> 02:01:02.199
analysis and costing on those points

02:01:04.000 --> 02:01:07.000
point three  I would like an immediate

02:01:09.119 --> 02:01:11.695
assessment of our critical

02:01:11.719 --> 02:01:14.719
memorials and we should action that

02:01:15.719 --> 02:01:18.719
um because it doesn't require any um

02:01:20.000 --> 02:01:22.776
fiscal contribution so three to remain

02:01:22.800 --> 02:01:24.336
as is

02:01:24.360 --> 02:01:27.360
yep point six establishing the advisory

02:01:27.760 --> 02:01:29.095
committee we should action that

02:01:29.119 --> 02:01:30.936
separately but that should be done as

02:01:30.960 --> 02:01:32.695
soon as possible and that will provide

02:01:32.719 --> 02:01:35.719
expert guidance on our memorial

02:01:39.800 --> 02:01:42.800
management yep and in conclusion  this

02:01:44.080 --> 02:01:45.896
balanced approach ensures that we act

02:01:45.920 --> 02:01:48.135
immediately where we can while properly

02:01:48.159 --> 02:01:50.615
preparing for the comprehensive reforms

02:01:50.639 --> 02:01:53.175
needed to honor our fallen appropriately

02:01:53.199 --> 02:01:55.416
and position us for future memorial

02:01:55.440 --> 02:01:58.376
developments

02:01:58.400 --> 02:02:01.400
now do I have a  a seconder for those

02:02:01.760 --> 02:02:04.095
  thank you councelor

02:02:04.119 --> 02:02:07.119
Casmiri  councelor

02:02:08.280 --> 02:02:11.280
Kemp thank you Mr chair um look I agree

02:02:11.840 --> 02:02:14.840
with this wholeheartedly in

02:02:15.080 --> 02:02:18.080
um in principle however I would like to

02:02:19.040 --> 02:02:22.040
know a cost um I'm glad to hear that

02:02:22.639 --> 02:02:24.896
councelor Clancy just said on

02:02:24.920 --> 02:02:27.920
245 to staff for costing analysis but um

02:02:30.080 --> 02:02:32.456
I'd like to get a good indication of the

02:02:32.480 --> 02:02:35.175
costing

02:02:35.199 --> 02:02:37.655
 CEO Rupra

02:02:37.679 --> 02:02:40.215
thank you Mr chair i'll also ask 

02:02:40.239 --> 02:02:43.016
Director Norwood to  comment on this

02:02:43.040 --> 02:02:46.040
um councilors this is unbudgeted work um

02:02:46.080 --> 02:02:48.056
until we we know sort of the scope and

02:02:48.080 --> 02:02:51.080
and full scale of the

02:02:51.239 --> 02:02:54.239
 total number of memorials 

02:02:54.960 --> 02:02:57.960
undertake the work to to look at  the

02:02:58.159 --> 02:02:59.575
memorials that need to be listed the

02:02:59.599 --> 02:03:02.135
establishment of the register as well as

02:03:02.159 --> 02:03:03.896
and sorry I'm just looking at keeping up

02:03:03.920 --> 02:03:06.920
with the the amended components here um

02:03:07.360 --> 02:03:09.655
the document and condition which would

02:03:09.679 --> 02:03:11.256
be an asset assessment which is

02:03:11.280 --> 02:03:12.376
something that we're currently running

02:03:12.400 --> 02:03:14.056
through for our own critical assets so

02:03:14.080 --> 02:03:15.655
it would be work additional to the work

02:03:15.679 --> 02:03:18.215
that we have budgeted for at the moment

02:03:18.239 --> 02:03:20.296
 and then the establishment of a

02:03:20.320 --> 02:03:22.056
committee would be  would be a a

02:03:22.080 --> 02:03:24.615
significant resource um implication but

02:03:24.639 --> 02:03:26.456
I can't I can't put a dollar value to

02:03:26.480 --> 02:03:28.856
that without  without doing  further

02:03:28.880 --> 02:03:30.856
work i'll ask director Nord whether he

02:03:30.880 --> 02:03:33.336
has any any further comment through you

02:03:33.360 --> 02:03:36.360
chair i have had a chat with staff today

02:03:36.480 --> 02:03:38.536
there is no dedicated resource to do

02:03:38.560 --> 02:03:41.560
this so it would mean in a vicinity of

02:03:41.719 --> 02:03:44.296
$70,000 to dedicate a staff member to do

02:03:44.320 --> 02:03:47.320
this 70,000 was that yeah  may I also

02:03:47.440 --> 02:03:49.736
make the point can I get clarification

02:03:49.760 --> 02:03:52.760
on 0.1 is that to go to the

02:03:56.199 --> 02:03:59.199
briefing  0.1 I believe no that

02:04:00.560 --> 02:04:02.296
doesn't go to the briefing two points

02:04:02.320 --> 02:04:04.496
two four and five to the briefing and

02:04:04.520 --> 02:04:07.520
one three and six as in as

02:04:09.880 --> 02:04:12.880
is  councelor Kemp yeah it's just that

02:04:14.239 --> 02:04:16.695
I've noticed that the subbranches can

02:04:16.719 --> 02:04:18.856
only apply for the grants and that's

02:04:18.880 --> 02:04:21.256
their responsibility so I understand

02:04:21.280 --> 02:04:23.496
they're getting 60,000 in funding and

02:04:23.520 --> 02:04:26.520
I'd just like to know that how that will

02:04:26.960 --> 02:04:29.736
work is does that mean that we have to

02:04:29.760 --> 02:04:32.760
give 60,000 to proceed through your

02:04:33.040 --> 02:04:34.936
chair that's a great question councilors

02:04:34.960 --> 02:04:36.776
i mean this is typically not a local

02:04:36.800 --> 02:04:39.336
government responsibility um so they're

02:04:39.360 --> 02:04:40.936
all the the things that we would need to

02:04:40.960 --> 02:04:43.960
work out i mean a large part of the um

02:04:45.880 --> 02:04:48.880
registration asset evaluation and then

02:04:49.599 --> 02:04:51.256
ongoing maintenance is not something

02:04:51.280 --> 02:04:53.016
that that councils would typically

02:04:53.040 --> 02:04:54.695
undertake so they're they're all they're

02:04:54.719 --> 02:04:56.936
all elements that would need to be

02:04:56.960 --> 02:04:59.736
worked out evaluated by staff as a as as

02:04:59.760 --> 02:05:02.760
a result of this

02:05:04.320 --> 02:05:07.320
council Boyd um yeah I agree i don't

02:05:08.159 --> 02:05:10.856
think it is a council responsibility um

02:05:10.880 --> 02:05:13.175
and I don't know I'm not sure why we are

02:05:13.199 --> 02:05:15.056
taking on we

02:05:15.080 --> 02:05:17.496
are looking at taking on this

02:05:17.520 --> 02:05:20.520
responsibility for a memorials we when

02:05:21.159 --> 02:05:24.159
we're divesting our d council is

02:05:24.320 --> 02:05:26.615
divesting of

02:05:26.639 --> 02:05:29.496
um non-core services as it is and

02:05:29.520 --> 02:05:31.256
reviewing everything i'm not sure why

02:05:31.280 --> 02:05:33.896
we're adding another non-core service to

02:05:33.920 --> 02:05:36.920
our list of service offerings um and I I

02:05:38.080 --> 02:05:41.080
think that a lot of this is work is

02:05:41.199 --> 02:05:43.376
duplication of what is already

02:05:43.400 --> 02:05:46.135
happening council has responsibility to

02:05:46.159 --> 02:05:49.159
ensure the me that memorials on their on

02:05:49.199 --> 02:05:52.199
council owned land with council approval

02:05:52.480 --> 02:05:53.536
are

02:05:53.560 --> 02:05:55.976
maintained but they don't have a

02:05:56.000 --> 02:05:59.000
responsibility for any other um memorial

02:06:00.159 --> 02:06:03.056
um there is a New South Wales memorial

02:06:03.080 --> 02:06:06.056
register which is a crowdsource database

02:06:06.080 --> 02:06:07.056
a bit like

02:06:07.080 --> 02:06:09.575
Wikipedia um the register makes it easy

02:06:09.599 --> 02:06:12.536
for individuals or organizations to add

02:06:12.560 --> 02:06:14.936
new memorials to the register and to

02:06:14.960 --> 02:06:17.960
update existing entries so any

02:06:18.360 --> 02:06:21.360
organization can including council can

02:06:21.440 --> 02:06:23.575
put memorials that are missing from the

02:06:23.599 --> 02:06:26.599
register can go in get a log on ID and

02:06:27.520 --> 02:06:30.520
update information add new information

02:06:30.719 --> 02:06:33.719
add photos if they want to um and anyone

02:06:33.840 --> 02:06:36.840
can do that um Mr george could go in and

02:06:37.280 --> 02:06:39.496
do it seems he's done all that research

02:06:39.520 --> 02:06:42.520
into the different um memorials around

02:06:42.639 --> 02:06:44.615
town

02:06:44.639 --> 02:06:46.016
um that is

02:06:46.040 --> 02:06:49.040
mediated by um experienced people um

02:06:50.880 --> 02:06:52.175
historians

02:06:52.199 --> 02:06:55.199
etc um so I would prefer that oh I

02:06:56.079 --> 02:06:57.976
propose that council promote this

02:06:58.000 --> 02:06:59.655
register rather than developing their

02:06:59.679 --> 02:07:02.055
own register it seems like a duplication

02:07:02.079 --> 02:07:05.079
of um effort and money and everything it

02:07:06.159 --> 02:07:06.896
already

02:07:06.920 --> 02:07:09.920
exists at a state level

02:07:10.679 --> 02:07:13.679
um and if people decide to register

02:07:14.880 --> 02:07:17.655
their me the memorial of concern and

02:07:17.679 --> 02:07:19.215
it's in a state of

02:07:19.239 --> 02:07:21.896
disrepair and they decide restoration is

02:07:21.920 --> 02:07:24.920
needed then they can apply for grants um

02:07:25.440 --> 02:07:28.135
but so long as that war memorial is in

02:07:28.159 --> 02:07:31.159
the register they can apply for grants

02:07:31.520 --> 02:07:33.575
and those grants come out twice a year

02:07:33.599 --> 02:07:36.599
so um it's all fairly accessible to

02:07:36.960 --> 02:07:39.336
people and I'm not sure why we would

02:07:39.360 --> 02:07:42.360
want council to duplicate that process

02:07:44.719 --> 02:07:47.719
thank you councelor Boyd Council Tribe

02:07:50.560 --> 02:07:53.055
 thank you Mr acting Chair

02:07:53.079 --> 02:07:55.336
um look I'm trying to wrap my head

02:07:55.360 --> 02:07:57.496
around what's in and what's out now with

02:07:57.520 --> 02:08:00.520
the proposed changes and um looking at

02:08:01.280 --> 02:08:04.280
what's in  take for example

02:08:05.400 --> 02:08:08.400
u.1 C  that register and you know not

02:08:10.480 --> 02:08:12.776
only is  everything put on the

02:08:12.800 --> 02:08:14.376
register but includes a condition

02:08:14.400 --> 02:08:16.135
assessment and maintenance requirement

02:08:16.159 --> 02:08:19.159
which is quite detailed um across the

02:08:19.520 --> 02:08:22.520
whole  LGA and And I guess that's the

02:08:23.040 --> 02:08:25.976
staff um point of you know dedicating a

02:08:26.000 --> 02:08:27.896
resource to this and spending 60 to

02:08:27.920 --> 02:08:29.416
$70,000

02:08:29.440 --> 02:08:32.440
 on that um which is you know I guess

02:08:34.000 --> 02:08:36.936
a bit concerning to commit to um on the

02:08:36.960 --> 02:08:38.536
floor like this without really

02:08:38.560 --> 02:08:40.536
understanding all the implications and

02:08:40.560 --> 02:08:43.336
then part six to set up the advisory

02:08:43.360 --> 02:08:46.296
committee  which is quite a detailed

02:08:46.320 --> 02:08:48.135
process in terms of you know which we've

02:08:48.159 --> 02:08:51.159
just done for the housing um well the

02:08:51.199 --> 02:08:52.456
housing task force isn't even a

02:08:52.480 --> 02:08:54.536
committee but to go out to EOI for

02:08:54.560 --> 02:08:56.456
expressions of interest of who would be

02:08:56.480 --> 02:08:57.976
on it and then voting the members of

02:08:58.000 --> 02:08:59.976
that and scheduling in the meetings and

02:09:00.000 --> 02:09:02.936
doing um minutes and agendas all of

02:09:02.960 --> 02:09:04.296
which we're winding back and cutting

02:09:04.320 --> 02:09:06.135
back on committees and I'm I'm wondering

02:09:06.159 --> 02:09:08.456
whether a working group u for that

02:09:08.480 --> 02:09:10.376
reason  is better but these all the

02:09:10.400 --> 02:09:12.215
things that I think we should discuss at

02:09:12.239 --> 02:09:13.896
a briefing i think we should take it all

02:09:13.920 --> 02:09:15.896
to a briefing to understand each line

02:09:15.920 --> 02:09:18.536
item and get a report back from staff 

02:09:18.560 --> 02:09:21.416
with a recommendation on how to proceed

02:09:21.440 --> 02:09:24.296
 I accept that  work needs to be

02:09:24.320 --> 02:09:27.016
done  but I I don't want to sign us up

02:09:27.040 --> 02:09:29.896
to $100,000 project right now when we've

02:09:29.920 --> 02:09:32.376
just cut a Shaw family daycare for the

02:09:32.400 --> 02:09:35.400
sake of 80,000 a year and 190 children

02:09:36.159 --> 02:09:37.655
 we're going to sign us up to a

02:09:37.679 --> 02:09:39.896
project on the floor like this without

02:09:39.920 --> 02:09:41.175
really understanding the full

02:09:41.199 --> 02:09:43.976
implications so I would prefer to see

02:09:44.000 --> 02:09:45.896
the whole thing come to a briefing and

02:09:45.920 --> 02:09:47.976
um rather than flicking through what

02:09:48.000 --> 02:09:51.000
parts are in and out now  and really

02:09:51.119 --> 02:09:52.936
understand from staff what we actually

02:09:52.960 --> 02:09:55.575
can do within the current resources so

02:09:55.599 --> 02:09:57.816
that this isn't something that ends up

02:09:57.840 --> 02:09:59.575
being on the chopping block with the

02:09:59.599 --> 02:10:02.055
sustainability project going forward um

02:10:02.079 --> 02:10:04.456
is the mover open to us  considering

02:10:04.480 --> 02:10:07.416
all of these at a briefing

02:10:07.440 --> 02:10:09.016
 so should we take that as a

02:10:09.040 --> 02:10:11.336
foreshadowed motion i'm asking if the

02:10:11.360 --> 02:10:13.655
mover would consider

02:10:13.679 --> 02:10:16.679
 that you've already put certain parts

02:10:16.719 --> 02:10:18.936
out for a briefing  can we get a

02:10:18.960 --> 02:10:20.936
briefing on all of these and a report

02:10:20.960 --> 02:10:23.960
back from staff

02:10:24.880 --> 02:10:27.880
 councelor Clancy yeah

02:10:30.159 --> 02:10:32.456
no I think it's appropriate that only 

02:10:32.480 --> 02:10:34.575
parts 2 three and five need to go to a

02:10:34.599 --> 02:10:37.599
briefing 

02:10:38.960 --> 02:10:40.456
four and five a second ago but it's

02:10:40.480 --> 02:10:42.296
changed again so in that case can I

02:10:42.320 --> 02:10:44.416
formally move

02:10:44.440 --> 02:10:47.336
you 2 four and five I believe four and

02:10:47.360 --> 02:10:49.695
five yes that's what I said two four and

02:10:49.719 --> 02:10:52.719
five should stay um so it should go to

02:10:52.880 --> 02:10:55.880
the briefing and the rest remain as is

02:10:56.320 --> 02:10:59.320
there's no complicated change

02:11:00.480 --> 02:11:02.615
so it's not accepted then we have a

02:11:02.639 --> 02:11:04.736
brief on all of it in that case I do

02:11:04.760 --> 02:11:06.575
foreshadow

02:11:06.599 --> 02:11:09.575
 that as an amended motion 

02:11:09.599 --> 02:11:12.599
foreshadow that motion that we take 

02:11:12.800 --> 02:11:15.095
these recommendations to a briefing to

02:11:15.119 --> 02:11:17.655
understand the implications of each and

02:11:17.679 --> 02:11:19.736
get a recommendation for sta from staff

02:11:19.760 --> 02:11:22.215
on how to move forward  within the

02:11:22.239 --> 02:11:23.456
current

02:11:23.480 --> 02:11:26.456
budget sorry that was really quick do

02:11:26.480 --> 02:11:29.480
you want me to

02:11:38.560 --> 02:11:41.560
 thank you Council Tribe

02:11:41.719 --> 02:11:44.536
councelor Boyd I think  councelor Boyd

02:11:44.560 --> 02:11:47.560
you've already you've already I have Yes

02:11:48.400 --> 02:11:51.400
councelor Cox

02:11:52.239 --> 02:11:54.896
um

02:11:54.920 --> 02:11:57.336
well mine was just a question so just

02:11:57.360 --> 02:12:00.360
around the um  as an example on the 

02:12:01.760 --> 02:12:03.496
entrance to the narrow showground we

02:12:03.520 --> 02:12:05.896
have a war memorial there who actually

02:12:05.920 --> 02:12:08.615
takes care of that

02:12:08.639 --> 02:12:11.016
that question director

02:12:11.040 --> 02:12:13.416
sorry council staff have recently taken

02:12:13.440 --> 02:12:15.575
care of that and  s sw sord grants to

02:12:15.599 --> 02:12:18.599
fix it amended thank you so this um

02:12:18.800 --> 02:12:20.536
notice of motion is pretty appropriate

02:12:20.560 --> 02:12:23.560
and thank you

02:12:24.719 --> 02:12:26.856
thank you councelor Cox  so we got a

02:12:26.880 --> 02:12:29.496
vote on the  the notice of motion

02:12:29.520 --> 02:12:32.520
presented by  councelor Clancy with

02:12:33.119 --> 02:12:34.416
the

02:12:34.440 --> 02:12:36.456
amendments and we'll head to the

02:12:36.480 --> 02:12:38.936
machines now to  to vote on that and

02:12:38.960 --> 02:12:41.655
should that not be  upheld we'll go to

02:12:41.679 --> 02:12:44.296
the foreshadowed motion oh you want to

02:12:44.320 --> 02:12:47.256
write a reply that's okay

02:12:47.280 --> 02:12:49.655
no you have a writer reply motion yet no

02:12:49.679 --> 02:12:51.376
no no no not

02:12:51.400 --> 02:12:54.400
yet write a reply councelor Clancy

02:12:57.480 --> 02:13:00.480
um so yes I agree with  councelor Boyd

02:13:02.560 --> 02:13:05.560
in that um well everything pretty much

02:13:05.599 --> 02:13:08.599
that you said that is accessible but

02:13:08.639 --> 02:13:11.416
it's only accessible if it's updated and

02:13:11.440 --> 02:13:14.440
we don't know right now um as far as I'm

02:13:15.280 --> 02:13:17.976
aware and I'm happy to be corrected we

02:13:18.000 --> 02:13:20.776
don't have a comprehensive register of

02:13:20.800 --> 02:13:23.800
an updated war memorial plaque and

02:13:24.960 --> 02:13:27.960
condition status across the Shoalhaven

02:13:28.239 --> 02:13:31.239
we could write to  the subbranches all

02:13:32.159 --> 02:13:34.456
11 of the subbranches and ask them for

02:13:34.480 --> 02:13:37.480
information on their most recent audits

02:13:37.800 --> 02:13:40.296
and have that information come back to

02:13:40.320 --> 02:13:42.456
us they would be a part of this working

02:13:42.480 --> 02:13:44.695
group which I'm happy to move to change

02:13:44.719 --> 02:13:47.719
as well so I agree but it has to be we

02:13:49.360 --> 02:13:51.416
have to have a baseline and I don't

02:13:51.440 --> 02:13:53.896
think that we do have a baseline at the

02:13:53.920 --> 02:13:55.496
moment we've heard from staff that

02:13:55.520 --> 02:13:58.456
there's no dedicated member in the

02:13:58.480 --> 02:14:01.135
council who can

02:14:01.159 --> 02:14:04.159
actually work on this as a project or

02:14:04.639 --> 02:14:07.336
work on this as a dedicated job we're 5

02:14:07.360 --> 02:14:10.360
years away from a 100year anniversary of

02:14:10.480 --> 02:14:13.456
the  memorial at the front of the

02:14:13.480 --> 02:14:16.480
showgrounds and if we don't do this now

02:14:16.719 --> 02:14:19.719
that that's likely to miss out on

02:14:20.000 --> 02:14:23.000
continued maintenance this has been left

02:14:24.920 --> 02:14:27.920
behind and we need to start now auditing

02:14:29.280 --> 02:14:32.280
and looking at the status of all of our

02:14:32.360 --> 02:14:35.360
memorials and yes it's a big job but we

02:14:35.920 --> 02:14:38.496
have to start now otherwise it won't

02:14:38.520 --> 02:14:41.520
happen and I'd do also like to just

02:14:42.280 --> 02:14:44.695
 No I'll refrain from saying what I

02:14:44.719 --> 02:14:46.215
was going to say thank you Councelor

02:14:46.239 --> 02:14:48.296
Clancy will now head to the machines 

02:14:48.320 --> 02:14:51.320
to vote for the notice of motion shaw

02:14:52.000 --> 02:14:54.536
Haven War Memorials with 2 four and five

02:14:54.560 --> 02:14:57.560
going to a briefing and one three and

02:14:57.920 --> 02:15:00.920
six  as is from councelor Clancy

02:15:03.360 --> 02:15:06.360
councelor Johnston's voting against

02:15:09.280 --> 02:15:11.256
will we changing it from an advisory

02:15:11.280 --> 02:15:13.896
committee to a working group before it

02:15:13.920 --> 02:15:16.695
was voted on

02:15:16.719 --> 02:15:18.296
no

02:15:18.320 --> 02:15:20.575
no that wasn't included

02:15:20.599 --> 02:15:23.599
oh sorry i did mention it sorry I did

02:15:23.679 --> 02:15:25.175
mention that i'm happy to make that

02:15:25.199 --> 02:15:28.199
amendment to a working group

02:15:28.320 --> 02:15:30.615
it's too late if we can if it's too late

02:15:30.639 --> 02:15:33.256
then we'll take that but then I just

02:15:33.280 --> 02:15:36.280
quickly read it and it

02:15:37.800 --> 02:15:40.536
wasn't close it yeah we've No we've

02:15:40.560 --> 02:15:42.055
closed it off we're voting on what's on

02:15:42.079 --> 02:15:45.079
the  what's on the on the board at the

02:15:46.239 --> 02:15:48.695
moment yep so um we're still missing a

02:15:48.719 --> 02:15:51.256
couple of votes

02:15:51.280 --> 02:15:53.336
councelor Johnston against council

02:15:53.360 --> 02:15:56.360
Johnston against councelor Norris

02:15:56.639 --> 02:15:59.639
council Norris also against

02:16:02.079 --> 02:16:05.079
um against

02:16:07.440 --> 02:16:09.135
and

02:16:09.159 --> 02:16:12.159
 we're missing one vote

02:16:14.800 --> 02:16:17.800
mr  well we have the  it is six all

02:16:19.920 --> 02:16:22.856
and  I'll use the casting vote to 

02:16:22.880 --> 02:16:25.880
to carry that through so  it is 76 

02:16:26.800 --> 02:16:28.936
four councelor Clancy Councelor Kemp

02:16:28.960 --> 02:16:31.416
Councelor Casmiri Councelor Cox

02:16:31.440 --> 02:16:33.056
Councelor Proudfoot and Councelor

02:16:33.080 --> 02:16:36.080
Wilkins against  Councelor Dunn

02:16:36.559 --> 02:16:38.455
Councelor Tribe Councelor Norris

02:16:38.479 --> 02:16:41.016
Councelor Boyd Councelor Johnston and

02:16:41.040 --> 02:16:43.896
Councelor Cricstellitis

02:16:43.920 --> 02:16:45.655
excuse me Mr acting Chair can I move a

02:16:45.679 --> 02:16:47.896
procedural motion

02:16:47.920 --> 02:16:50.455
you may yes  can I ask that the

02:16:50.479 --> 02:16:52.535
foreshadowed motion be included in the

02:16:52.559 --> 02:16:54.295
minutes i realize that isn't common

02:16:54.319 --> 02:16:55.896
practice but it can be requested and I'm

02:16:55.920 --> 02:16:57.096
formally requesting that that

02:16:57.120 --> 02:17:00.056
foreshadowed motion be included  to be

02:17:00.080 --> 02:17:01.736
reflected in the minutes do I have a

02:17:01.760 --> 02:17:04.760
seconder for that seconded by council

02:17:05.719 --> 02:17:08.719
board and we'll  we'll take a vote 

02:17:09.359 --> 02:17:12.359
about whether that be included in in the

02:17:12.559 --> 02:17:15.559
minutes so  to the machine again

02:17:27.920 --> 02:17:30.920
 councelor Johnston

02:17:31.679 --> 02:17:34.679
 councelor Dunn

02:17:36.960 --> 02:17:39.495
and councelor Norris

02:17:39.519 --> 02:17:42.519
affirmative thank you

02:17:54.080 --> 02:17:57.080
slide 93  so that 

02:17:58.359 --> 02:18:01.359
that is included  that has been

02:18:02.240 --> 02:18:05.240
carried  93  four were councelor

02:18:05.960 --> 02:18:08.960
Clancy Councelor Dunn Councelor

02:18:09.200 --> 02:18:11.016
Proudfoot Councelor Tribe Councelor

02:18:11.040 --> 02:18:13.096
Norris councelor Boyd Councelor Johnston

02:18:13.120 --> 02:18:14.615
councelor Cricsters and councelor

02:18:14.639 --> 02:18:17.256
Wilkins against councelor Kemp councelor

02:18:17.280 --> 02:18:19.375
Casmiri and councelor

02:18:19.399 --> 02:18:22.399
Cox thank you very much and we now move

02:18:22.800 --> 02:18:24.176
on to

02:18:24.200 --> 02:18:27.200
the I believe call over to the business

02:18:31.000 --> 02:18:34.000
paper and  first of all we  go to

02:18:34.399 --> 02:18:36.976
the reports the CEO report

02:18:37.000 --> 02:18:40.000
CL2162 financial sustainability product

02:18:40.479 --> 02:18:42.856
and efficiency report  councelor

02:18:42.880 --> 02:18:45.880
proudfoot calling that  one out 

02:18:48.120 --> 02:18:50.615
CL25163 DPOP

02:18:50.639 --> 02:18:53.375
 quarterly performance and  budget

02:18:53.399 --> 02:18:56.399
report  are we letting that  wander

02:18:57.040 --> 02:19:00.040
through  council proudoot

02:19:00.399 --> 02:19:02.976
163 council

02:19:03.000 --> 02:19:05.495
Proudfoot  we'll keep going through

02:19:05.519 --> 02:19:08.519
these  next few  city performance

02:19:10.000 --> 02:19:11.896
163

02:19:11.920 --> 02:19:13.655
oh you're too late council Proudoot

02:19:13.679 --> 02:19:15.016
called it out but thank you very much

02:19:15.040 --> 02:19:16.495
city performance

02:19:16.519 --> 02:19:19.519
CL2164 council expenses and facilities

02:19:20.240 --> 02:19:21.695
council

02:19:21.719 --> 02:19:24.016
tribe CL

02:19:24.040 --> 02:19:27.040
25165 ongoing register of pecunary

02:19:27.200 --> 02:19:30.176
interest

02:19:30.200 --> 02:19:33.200
returns and we'll let that

02:19:33.559 --> 02:19:36.559
 sit councelor or rather CL2166 the

02:19:38.319 --> 02:19:40.816
Kangaroo Valley

02:19:40.840 --> 02:19:43.840
show no and the investment report

02:19:52.240 --> 02:19:55.240
second second it so we'll  so CL 120

02:19:56.160 --> 02:19:59.056
yeah we'll do those as a  as a group

02:19:59.080 --> 02:20:02.080
125 165 12 or 25 166 and 167  we've

02:20:05.280 --> 02:20:07.415
had a mover and a moved and seconded by

02:20:07.439 --> 02:20:10.439
councelor Cric moved by  councel 

02:20:10.960 --> 02:20:13.960
Proudfoot  all in favor yes  thank

02:20:15.479 --> 02:20:18.415
you they're moved we'll go to city

02:20:18.439 --> 02:20:20.415
services

02:20:20.439 --> 02:20:23.439
cl25168 proposed sub lease 42 Clipper

02:20:26.200 --> 02:20:28.176
Road

02:20:28.200 --> 02:20:31.200
cl2169 proposed new lease shop 369

02:20:31.439 --> 02:20:34.415
Princess Highway

02:20:34.439 --> 02:20:37.439
Milton not called back 

02:20:38.439 --> 02:20:41.439
CL2170 report back now a CBD parallel

02:20:41.840 --> 02:20:44.840
parking and angle parking

02:20:45.160 --> 02:20:46.656
investigation

02:20:46.680 --> 02:20:49.680
cl251 171 progress report financial and

02:20:49.920 --> 02:20:52.136
practical feasibility of increasing

02:20:52.160 --> 02:20:55.160
internal delivery of traffic control

02:20:55.640 --> 02:20:58.640
services called out by  councelor Kemp

02:21:05.160 --> 02:21:08.160
cl2172 deed of mutual termination the

02:21:13.960 --> 02:21:16.960
blurf and we're now going

02:21:18.520 --> 02:21:21.375
to move the following to go into

02:21:21.399 --> 02:21:24.399
confidential I'm sorry we

02:21:25.840 --> 02:21:28.056
councelor Kemp calling out mutual

02:21:28.080 --> 02:21:29.536
termination the

02:21:29.560 --> 02:21:32.560
blurf now we're going to have a mover 

02:21:32.800 --> 02:21:35.800
to go for CL 25,1 173 174 and 125

02:21:38.399 --> 02:21:41.256
landfill gas  Shoalhaven material

02:21:41.280 --> 02:21:43.256
recovery facility and traffic control

02:21:43.280 --> 02:21:45.176
services to go into confidential do I

02:21:45.200 --> 02:21:47.496
have a mover for that councelor Casmir

02:21:47.520 --> 02:21:49.056
seconded by councel

02:21:49.080 --> 02:21:52.080
tribe  we'll progress down the  the

02:21:52.399 --> 02:21:54.616
raft we'll go to city development mr

02:21:54.640 --> 02:21:57.640
chair yep mr point of order did you move

02:21:57.920 --> 02:21:59.415
the the remaining ones with city

02:21:59.439 --> 02:22:02.439
services or just the confidential got a

02:22:03.520 --> 02:22:06.520
mover and a second to move those on

02:22:07.040 --> 02:22:09.896
oh I will oh before we move on yeah okay

02:22:09.920 --> 02:22:12.856
thank you very much Council Proudoot 

02:22:12.880 --> 02:22:15.880
city services  so 168 169 and

02:22:19.479 --> 02:22:22.479
170 and

02:22:22.560 --> 02:22:25.560
I'll move that and 171

02:22:26.080 --> 02:22:27.896
no no that was called out sorry that was

02:22:27.920 --> 02:22:29.335
called out you're moved do we have a

02:22:29.359 --> 02:22:31.896
seconder all in favor

02:22:31.920 --> 02:22:34.920
thank you i'll  take those as

02:22:35.160 --> 02:22:37.656
carried and we've moved the others into

02:22:37.680 --> 02:22:40.056
 we move those into confidential

02:22:40.080 --> 02:22:42.216
they've been moved thank you city

02:22:42.240 --> 02:22:45.240
development um CL 25176 Council

02:22:46.520 --> 02:22:49.520
Proudoot thank you and CL 251 177

02:22:51.120 --> 02:22:53.016
proposed exhibition Shoalhaven Water

02:22:53.040 --> 02:22:54.896
Development anyone calling that one

02:22:54.920 --> 02:22:57.920
out no so we'll have a mover for

02:23:00.240 --> 02:23:02.656
proposal

02:23:02.680 --> 02:23:05.256
25177 councelor Crystal Lighter seconded

02:23:05.280 --> 02:23:07.976
by councelor tribe

02:23:08.000 --> 02:23:11.000
any

02:23:11.399 --> 02:23:14.399
desenters no so we'll now go back

02:23:15.000 --> 02:23:17.136
to

02:23:17.160 --> 02:23:19.295
CL251

02:23:19.319 --> 02:23:22.319
162 the financial sustainability and

02:23:22.800 --> 02:23:25.335
productivity efficiency report councelor

02:23:25.359 --> 02:23:28.359
Proudfoot  thank you Mr chair and I

02:23:28.560 --> 02:23:30.776
certainly congratulate staff on the good

02:23:30.800 --> 02:23:33.800
work that  they continue to do to to

02:23:34.160 --> 02:23:36.375
bring this  council back to 

02:23:36.399 --> 02:23:39.399
financial sustainability so I move

02:23:39.520 --> 02:23:42.520
points one and two and I'd like to add a

02:23:42.960 --> 02:23:43.856
point

02:23:43.880 --> 02:23:46.880
three and what I'm trying to do here Mr

02:23:47.040 --> 02:23:48.696
chairman is to give the finance

02:23:48.720 --> 02:23:50.576
committee

02:23:50.600 --> 02:23:53.600
um greater contribution to the

02:23:54.160 --> 02:23:57.160
sustainability role so the part three on

02:23:58.600 --> 02:24:01.375
council's executive management

02:24:01.399 --> 02:24:04.399
team and finance

02:24:04.520 --> 02:24:07.520
department work with the expert finance

02:24:09.560 --> 02:24:12.560
committee in order to further

02:24:12.920 --> 02:24:15.920
establish clearly articulated benchmarks

02:24:16.720 --> 02:24:18.256
and

02:24:18.280 --> 02:24:21.280
KPIs to ensure that financial

02:24:22.120 --> 02:24:24.856
sustainability is readily measured and

02:24:24.880 --> 02:24:27.880
achieved

02:24:32.240 --> 02:24:35.240
do I have a second

02:24:35.479 --> 02:24:37.455
for that

02:24:37.479 --> 02:24:40.479
amendment councelor

02:24:43.800 --> 02:24:46.616
Kemp now Mr chair I can I can speak to

02:24:46.640 --> 02:24:48.856
the motion i feel very strongly about

02:24:48.880 --> 02:24:51.880
this our staff have done a fantastic job

02:24:52.080 --> 02:24:55.080
and we do have a fantastic f finance 

02:24:56.200 --> 02:24:59.200
committee and we need to really take up

02:25:00.000 --> 02:25:01.976
the opportunities that the the resumes

02:25:02.000 --> 02:25:05.000
of those people have to further add to

02:25:05.200 --> 02:25:08.200
the the ability of our staff to  reach

02:25:08.720 --> 02:25:11.335
greater financial sustainability as as

02:25:11.359 --> 02:25:14.136
we know as we know we can't do it purely

02:25:14.160 --> 02:25:16.696
on asset sales and you can go down the

02:25:16.720 --> 02:25:19.720
asset sale path for so long  we can't

02:25:21.120 --> 02:25:23.736
go keep going back to the rate payer

02:25:23.760 --> 02:25:25.576
well and say oh look we need to have

02:25:25.600 --> 02:25:27.496
another special rate variation to try

02:25:27.520 --> 02:25:30.520
and keep the  the council in the

02:25:30.800 --> 02:25:32.455
sustainable direction because that's not

02:25:32.479 --> 02:25:34.936
a sustainable way of doing things so we

02:25:34.960 --> 02:25:37.960
we do need to examine our processes in a

02:25:38.160 --> 02:25:41.160
cyclical and recurring manner and 

02:25:41.600 --> 02:25:44.375
work together as community members

02:25:44.399 --> 02:25:45.816
that's the that's that's the finance

02:25:45.840 --> 02:25:48.840
committee and as as staff members to

02:25:48.880 --> 02:25:50.536
come up with the best possible solution

02:25:50.560 --> 02:25:52.136
and I and I think what we've got going

02:25:52.160 --> 02:25:54.216
here at the moment is is fantastic i

02:25:54.240 --> 02:25:56.455
know that was an initiative set up

02:25:56.479 --> 02:25:58.536
primarily by the mayor but  certainly

02:25:58.560 --> 02:26:00.295
with other councilors saying what a good

02:26:00.319 --> 02:26:02.616
idea that was and it's proven to be a

02:26:02.640 --> 02:26:04.455
great idea because the the level of

02:26:04.479 --> 02:26:06.455
expertise that those people have is is

02:26:06.479 --> 02:26:08.616
quite something and just like the level

02:26:08.640 --> 02:26:10.536
of expertise that our CEO and our

02:26:10.560 --> 02:26:13.560
finance department have as well so

02:26:14.160 --> 02:26:16.455
putting the two together is just a a

02:26:16.479 --> 02:26:19.256
wonderful  blend a wonderful  

02:26:19.280 --> 02:26:21.896
financial relationship that can lead to

02:26:21.920 --> 02:26:24.776
bigger and better things in my view and

02:26:24.800 --> 02:26:26.295
 when you look through the summary and

02:26:26.319 --> 02:26:28.136
key points for consideration you can see

02:26:28.160 --> 02:26:29.496
the good work that our staff have been

02:26:29.520 --> 02:26:32.520
doing and and that's fantastic and  we

02:26:32.960 --> 02:26:35.960
we're even getting some good  u pats

02:26:36.000 --> 02:26:37.415
on the back I suppose you could say from

02:26:37.439 --> 02:26:40.216
the the office of local government from

02:26:40.240 --> 02:26:42.056
certain people there we found out the

02:26:42.080 --> 02:26:44.536
other day that  are quite  happy

02:26:44.560 --> 02:26:47.256
with the way things are are progressing

02:26:47.280 --> 02:26:49.335
and and the way we're turning around the

02:26:49.359 --> 02:26:52.359
ship as it were so   with those few

02:26:52.560 --> 02:26:54.936
brief words  Mr chair I certainly

02:26:54.960 --> 02:26:57.576
commend the resol the motion to you in

02:26:57.600 --> 02:26:59.576
three parts thank you thank you

02:26:59.600 --> 02:27:02.600
councelor Proudford councelor Tribe

02:27:02.720 --> 02:27:05.720
thank you Mr acting Chair  I'd like to

02:27:05.760 --> 02:27:08.760
suggest an amendment to part three 

02:27:08.800 --> 02:27:11.800
executive management team and finance

02:27:11.840 --> 02:27:14.136
department work with the financial

02:27:14.160 --> 02:27:17.160
review panel full stop and cut it off

02:27:17.359 --> 02:27:19.736
there because the extra benchmarks and

02:27:19.760 --> 02:27:22.216
KPIs we've had a bit of a a taster of

02:27:22.240 --> 02:27:24.856
that  recently and I believe the ERIC

02:27:24.880 --> 02:27:26.696
committee has expressed some concerns as

02:27:26.720 --> 02:27:29.720
well  that these additional KPIs 

02:27:30.800 --> 02:27:32.856
are are not helpful to what we're trying

02:27:32.880 --> 02:27:35.176
to achieve we do have KPIs already set

02:27:35.200 --> 02:27:37.415
by OOLG and  as we've seen in the

02:27:37.439 --> 02:27:40.439
report we haven't met all of those and

02:27:40.479 --> 02:27:42.776
 we're working towards it and  and I

02:27:42.800 --> 02:27:44.696
think our entire focus should be on

02:27:44.720 --> 02:27:47.415
working towards those and meeting those

02:27:47.439 --> 02:27:50.216
and not inventing  new ones that will

02:27:50.240 --> 02:27:52.536
have  some potentially unintended

02:27:52.560 --> 02:27:54.056
consequences let's say and it's

02:27:54.080 --> 02:27:55.736
something that I did speak about at the

02:27:55.760 --> 02:27:57.816
finance committee as well so if the

02:27:57.840 --> 02:28:00.536
mover accepts that  then I guess we

02:28:00.560 --> 02:28:01.816
can move forward if not I need to

02:28:01.840 --> 02:28:04.840
formally um move that amendment

02:28:04.960 --> 02:28:07.816
 Council Proudfoot do you  do you

02:28:07.840 --> 02:28:10.696
concur

02:28:10.720 --> 02:28:13.720
um Mr chair I I would be prepared to

02:28:14.080 --> 02:28:17.080
change one word  the word establish

02:28:17.600 --> 02:28:18.656
could be

02:28:18.680 --> 02:28:21.536
examine and

02:28:21.560 --> 02:28:24.455
 I believe that that would fit into

02:28:24.479 --> 02:28:27.479
what council tribe is talking about

02:28:37.760 --> 02:28:40.760
 council tribe

02:28:42.160 --> 02:28:44.616
 question through you Mr chair so

02:28:44.640 --> 02:28:47.640
would the would staff take this to read

02:28:49.920 --> 02:28:51.415
 because I think the intention of it

02:28:51.439 --> 02:28:54.439
is really important here would 

02:28:54.880 --> 02:28:57.880
through  through you Mr share to the

02:28:58.080 --> 02:29:00.696
to the staff if I might  would you

02:29:00.720 --> 02:29:03.016
take this to mean furthering the

02:29:03.040 --> 02:29:06.040
existing benchmarks that are set by OLG

02:29:06.240 --> 02:29:09.240
 and the TCO ones as well  or would

02:29:09.439 --> 02:29:12.439
you take this to be exploring  new

02:29:13.200 --> 02:29:15.736
benchmarks and KPIs towards financial

02:29:15.760 --> 02:29:18.760
sustainability mr ceo through you chair

02:29:19.760 --> 02:29:21.736
thanks councelor

02:29:21.760 --> 02:29:24.760
work with a financial review panel  in

02:29:25.040 --> 02:29:27.496
order to further examine benchmarks that

02:29:27.520 --> 02:29:30.136
could say examine existing benchmarks um

02:29:30.160 --> 02:29:31.736
and KPIs to ensure that financial

02:29:31.760 --> 02:29:33.415
sustainability is readily measured and

02:29:33.439 --> 02:29:35.496
achieved um should make the point that

02:29:35.520 --> 02:29:38.136
 there there there are a range of

02:29:38.160 --> 02:29:41.160
benchmarks that we must work towards and

02:29:41.280 --> 02:29:44.280
report on  as mandated by the OOLG so

02:29:44.560 --> 02:29:47.335
they apply to all 128 councils across

02:29:47.359 --> 02:29:49.176
New South Wales and I think the ARIC

02:29:49.200 --> 02:29:51.176
minutes that have been referenced the

02:29:51.200 --> 02:29:53.016
the ARIC discussions the minutes are not

02:29:53.040 --> 02:29:55.016
yet published but they will be published

02:29:55.040 --> 02:29:56.455
shortly i think they were just in the

02:29:56.479 --> 02:29:58.455
process of receiving  approval from

02:29:58.479 --> 02:30:00.936
the ARIC chair the independent chair um

02:30:00.960 --> 02:30:03.415
but indeed you're correct that  that

02:30:03.439 --> 02:30:05.976
was a specific issue and topic of

02:30:06.000 --> 02:30:08.936
discussion by  the audit risk

02:30:08.960 --> 02:30:11.335
committee um as an area for risk in

02:30:11.359 --> 02:30:14.359
terms of diverting from our  our

02:30:14.800 --> 02:30:17.800
specific um mandated benchmarks so those

02:30:17.920 --> 02:30:20.536
benchmarks have been in place for going

02:30:20.560 --> 02:30:22.936
to say over 10 years now they came in at

02:30:22.960 --> 02:30:24.536
the advent of what was known as fit for

02:30:24.560 --> 02:30:25.816
the future at the time which measured

02:30:25.840 --> 02:30:27.896
financial sustainability across  all

02:30:27.920 --> 02:30:30.920
local government um the examination of

02:30:32.399 --> 02:30:34.536
those benchmarks is something we can

02:30:34.560 --> 02:30:36.455
most certainly work with the the

02:30:36.479 --> 02:30:39.479
financial review panel members on um so

02:30:40.160 --> 02:30:42.056
yeah if the word existing is

02:30:42.080 --> 02:30:44.216
incorporated into that  that that

02:30:44.240 --> 02:30:46.216
would cover that off in in in my opinion

02:30:46.240 --> 02:30:48.375
i might also ask  whether director

02:30:48.399 --> 02:30:51.399
Buckman has any anything further great

02:30:52.000 --> 02:30:54.616
 so I I'd put that to um the mover and

02:30:54.640 --> 02:30:57.256
second u for for inclusion well I'm

02:30:57.280 --> 02:31:00.056
happy to I'm happy to pursue the wording

02:31:00.080 --> 02:31:02.856
Mr chair i'm happy to pursue the wording

02:31:02.880 --> 02:31:05.880
to to reflect the the comments of our

02:31:08.200 --> 02:31:11.200
CEO so that  it's clear for staff the

02:31:12.720 --> 02:31:15.720
intent of the motion

02:31:18.479 --> 02:31:21.479
so if we can

02:31:23.560 --> 02:31:26.560
 Mr ceo have you got some words to 

02:31:27.600 --> 02:31:29.896
that would through you chair  council

02:31:29.920 --> 02:31:31.816
also just as it reads on screen at the

02:31:31.840 --> 02:31:33.576
moment so executive management team and

02:31:33.600 --> 02:31:35.096
finance department work with the

02:31:35.120 --> 02:31:37.176
financial review panel in order to

02:31:37.200 --> 02:31:39.576
further examine existing benchmarks and

02:31:39.600 --> 02:31:41.335
KPIs to ensure that financial

02:31:41.359 --> 02:31:42.936
sustainability is readily measured and

02:31:42.960 --> 02:31:45.960
achieved that's it thank you

02:31:47.920 --> 02:31:50.920
 councelor tribe do you you agree with

02:31:50.960 --> 02:31:53.576
that change yes thank you very much um

02:31:53.600 --> 02:31:54.776
much more comfortable with that thank

02:31:54.800 --> 02:31:56.856
you can I also take the opportunity to

02:31:56.880 --> 02:31:59.880
ask a question through of the report 

02:31:59.920 --> 02:32:02.920
it says on page 12

02:32:03.160 --> 02:32:06.160
um that it's resulted in five council

02:32:07.600 --> 02:32:10.600
staff from SFDC being displaced and

02:32:10.880 --> 02:32:13.176
potentially eligible for redundancy do

02:32:13.200 --> 02:32:14.616
we have any idea of what those

02:32:14.640 --> 02:32:16.536
redundancy payments are worth and and

02:32:16.560 --> 02:32:19.176
where that is coming from  through you

02:32:19.200 --> 02:32:21.496
Mr chair not  not specifically at this

02:32:21.520 --> 02:32:22.856
stage i wouldn't comment on that in the

02:32:22.880 --> 02:32:25.335
pro  public arena in any event

02:32:25.359 --> 02:32:27.415
councilors given that this is  they

02:32:27.439 --> 02:32:30.216
are personal and personnel matters  so

02:32:30.240 --> 02:32:31.976
that can be certainly be brought back to

02:32:32.000 --> 02:32:34.375
to council in terms of when we reach

02:32:34.399 --> 02:32:37.096
that point  the the total  dollar

02:32:37.120 --> 02:32:39.736
amount and number of redundancies um but

02:32:39.760 --> 02:32:42.760
out of the um  out of respect for

02:32:43.600 --> 02:32:45.976
those impacted staff I' I'd be reluctant

02:32:46.000 --> 02:32:49.000
to comment further in in  this forum

02:32:50.720 --> 02:32:52.216
in ter Oh sorry in terms of funding

02:32:52.240 --> 02:32:54.295
source I'll I can ask Miss Ms buckman to

02:32:54.319 --> 02:32:56.455
to comment on where the funding where

02:32:56.479 --> 02:32:59.176
the funding source for any potential 

02:32:59.200 --> 02:33:01.576
redundancies may come from yeah 

02:33:01.600 --> 02:33:02.936
through your deputy chair there's

02:33:02.960 --> 02:33:04.616
existing budget in the current financial

02:33:04.640 --> 02:33:06.375
year in the quarter four  remaining

02:33:06.399 --> 02:33:08.776
budget to be spent that can fund those

02:33:08.800 --> 02:33:10.616
 and if they aren't paid by 30 June

02:33:10.640 --> 02:33:11.736
then we'll carry that budget forward

02:33:11.760 --> 02:33:14.760
into next year

02:33:14.800 --> 02:33:16.856
um thank you Mr buckman  let's go to

02:33:16.880 --> 02:33:19.816
councelor Cricstitis

02:33:19.840 --> 02:33:21.176
thank you Mr chair and thank you

02:33:21.200 --> 02:33:23.576
everyone um for this wonderful report

02:33:23.600 --> 02:33:25.415
i'm actually here to to speak on point

02:33:25.439 --> 02:33:28.439
three and my um growing distress at the

02:33:32.399 --> 02:33:34.216
 power perhaps that financial review

02:33:34.240 --> 02:33:37.240
panel has despite words speaking about

02:33:37.680 --> 02:33:39.256
their expertise and whatnot they're an

02:33:39.280 --> 02:33:41.096
unelected panel we've got to make sure

02:33:41.120 --> 02:33:44.120
we keep them within their their to this

02:33:44.240 --> 02:33:46.536
is important because as soon as we start

02:33:46.560 --> 02:33:48.455
allowing power to creep in like this

02:33:48.479 --> 02:33:50.056
then we have an unelected body making

02:33:50.080 --> 02:33:51.736
decisions with this council  point of

02:33:51.760 --> 02:33:53.976
order they're they're  they're 

02:33:54.000 --> 02:33:57.000
they've been assigned  those unelected

02:33:58.080 --> 02:34:00.455
they've been assigned a particular 

02:34:00.479 --> 02:34:03.335
set of criteria that they're operating

02:34:03.359 --> 02:34:05.415
within and we voted on that that's very

02:34:05.439 --> 02:34:07.656
good and if this ex and all I said and

02:34:07.680 --> 02:34:09.896
I'm saying it again now is once we start

02:34:09.920 --> 02:34:11.976
creeping past that to we're going to

02:34:12.000 --> 02:34:14.536
have problems we'll be watching

02:34:14.560 --> 02:34:17.256
that's a we'll take that on notice but

02:34:17.280 --> 02:34:19.096
that's a that's a that's an inference

02:34:19.120 --> 02:34:22.120
there  that  goes outside the bound

02:34:23.600 --> 02:34:26.216
the scope of their  of their employee

02:34:26.240 --> 02:34:29.240
as as an adi as an advisory

02:34:29.319 --> 02:34:32.319
body  councelor Johnston

02:34:35.439 --> 02:34:38.216
 thank you acting chair but my point

02:34:38.240 --> 02:34:40.295
was pretty much what  councelor Tri

02:34:40.319 --> 02:34:43.319
brought up was about the addition of um

02:34:43.680 --> 02:34:46.295
I I'm not sure of the purpose of

02:34:46.319 --> 02:34:48.536
creating additional or new benchmarks

02:34:48.560 --> 02:34:50.776
and KPIs for a team that already have a

02:34:50.800 --> 02:34:53.415
lot um to be accountable for under

02:34:53.439 --> 02:34:55.496
legislation and regulation requirements

02:34:55.520 --> 02:34:57.496
so I am much happier and more

02:34:57.520 --> 02:34:59.496
comfortable with the new amendments um

02:34:59.520 --> 02:35:01.976
as advised by the acting CEO so thank

02:35:02.000 --> 02:35:04.375
you very much for that  thank you

02:35:04.399 --> 02:35:07.399
councelor Johnston councelor Kemp

02:35:10.000 --> 02:35:13.000
thank you um Mr chair um I'd like to put

02:35:14.160 --> 02:35:17.160
a point of order on Mr cricell Cricut

02:35:18.640 --> 02:35:20.776
those the body was elected and any

02:35:20.800 --> 02:35:23.800
inference should be apologized to

02:35:27.359 --> 02:35:30.359
um they were appointed well we  we

02:35:30.960 --> 02:35:32.616
won't accept that point of order they

02:35:32.640 --> 02:35:35.640
were appointed  and  we'll we'll

02:35:35.920 --> 02:35:37.736
leave that there  councelor Kemp do

02:35:37.760 --> 02:35:40.455
you have any further yes I do please um

02:35:40.479 --> 02:35:42.295
yeah I'd like to move an amendment on

02:35:42.319 --> 02:35:45.319
the financial sustainability report um

02:35:46.720 --> 02:35:49.720
if we could put an extra dot

02:35:49.960 --> 02:35:51.856
point

02:35:51.880 --> 02:35:54.880
for that councilors receive a list of

02:35:55.040 --> 02:35:56.016
what

02:35:56.040 --> 02:35:59.016
organizations we're paying into for

02:35:59.040 --> 02:36:02.040
future sustainable futures plans and

02:36:02.479 --> 02:36:05.479
people monies we're paying into i've

02:36:06.080 --> 02:36:07.896
asked for this a number of times i don't

02:36:07.920 --> 02:36:10.136
care if it's confidential um but I would

02:36:10.160 --> 02:36:11.976
like before I make a decision on the

02:36:12.000 --> 02:36:14.776
budget and other things that we know

02:36:14.800 --> 02:36:16.455
what we're paying into i think 

02:36:16.479 --> 02:36:19.295
councelor Kemp  it is outside the

02:36:19.319 --> 02:36:22.319
parameters of this recommendation and

02:36:22.479 --> 02:36:25.335
should be raised  as in in the future

02:36:25.359 --> 02:36:28.359
as a as a notice of motion but it's 

02:36:28.399 --> 02:36:31.399
it's outside the the scope of  what

02:36:31.439 --> 02:36:33.176
we're  what we're applying here i

02:36:33.200 --> 02:36:34.776
don't know how I'm to agree to something

02:36:34.800 --> 02:36:36.696
that that doesn't include that

02:36:36.720 --> 02:36:38.096
information

02:36:38.120 --> 02:36:40.616
um what about the question of an

02:36:40.640 --> 02:36:43.335
organizational chart how many staff we

02:36:43.359 --> 02:36:45.576
have we've got no information on that

02:36:45.600 --> 02:36:48.600
that was  through through you Mr chair

02:36:49.160 --> 02:36:51.736
actually councilors um that that

02:36:51.760 --> 02:36:53.096
information was uploaded as part of the

02:36:53.120 --> 02:36:56.120
DOP information um to both the financial

02:36:56.319 --> 02:36:58.056
review panel and I believe the councelor

02:36:58.080 --> 02:37:01.080
portal  it's broken down by department

02:37:01.439 --> 02:37:04.439
um that in and of itself is is delving

02:37:04.800 --> 02:37:06.696
into  potential operational

02:37:06.720 --> 02:37:09.016
information um I've shared with you what

02:37:09.040 --> 02:37:11.656
I believe to  I I am comfortable

02:37:11.680 --> 02:37:14.536
sharing with the elected body  to

02:37:14.560 --> 02:37:16.536
guide your decision- making for staff

02:37:16.560 --> 02:37:18.536
numbers and budgets as it's broken down

02:37:18.560 --> 02:37:21.560
by function  that that information is

02:37:21.680 --> 02:37:23.016
there and I'm happy more than happy to

02:37:23.040 --> 02:37:25.096
meet with individual counselors or all

02:37:25.120 --> 02:37:27.096
counselors in a briefing setting to to

02:37:27.120 --> 02:37:28.536
further discuss and go over those

02:37:28.560 --> 02:37:30.375
particular numbers and  and and

02:37:30.399 --> 02:37:33.399
budgetary um matters

02:37:33.840 --> 02:37:36.840
okay so the question is I cannot ask for

02:37:37.000 --> 02:37:40.000
what or can I ask what organizations

02:37:40.240 --> 02:37:43.176
we're paying into sustainable futures so

02:37:43.200 --> 02:37:45.415
no we no we've  we've ascertained that

02:37:45.439 --> 02:37:48.056
that's outside the  the scope  of

02:37:48.080 --> 02:37:50.295
what's before us but that can be 

02:37:50.319 --> 02:37:53.319
raised at a at a future date i I will

02:37:53.840 --> 02:37:55.736
I'll do a notice of motion thank you

02:37:55.760 --> 02:37:58.375
very much Councelor Boyd thank you

02:37:58.399 --> 02:38:00.856
Councelor Kemp

02:38:00.880 --> 02:38:03.880
i just have a question on page 30 down

02:38:04.479 --> 02:38:06.696
on the dot point at the well it's at the

02:38:06.720 --> 02:38:09.720
bottom of the my page printed page um it

02:38:11.200 --> 02:38:13.776
refers to the south coast

02:38:13.800 --> 02:38:16.800
footpaths there's um of the 5.5 million

02:38:18.399 --> 02:38:21.176
in general fund carry forwards 2.88 88

02:38:21.200 --> 02:38:23.096
million relates to roads and transports

02:38:23.120 --> 02:38:25.335
primarily being South Coast footpaths

02:38:25.359 --> 02:38:26.816
1.52

02:38:26.840 --> 02:38:29.840
million plus others

02:38:31.520 --> 02:38:33.016
i think that that could be the next

02:38:33.040 --> 02:38:34.776
report

02:38:34.800 --> 02:38:37.800
oh is it

02:38:39.840 --> 02:38:42.375
oh that's a Oh sorry my apologies it's

02:38:42.399 --> 02:38:43.696
okay hold that one

02:38:43.720 --> 02:38:46.720
over  do we have any more

02:38:46.760 --> 02:38:49.760
 have any more speakers

02:38:50.160 --> 02:38:53.160
um a right of reply then for  Council

02:38:53.680 --> 02:38:56.680
Proudoot  thank you Mr chair i'd like

02:38:57.040 --> 02:39:00.040
to thank  Council Tribe for her input

02:39:00.319 --> 02:39:03.319
 our CEO for his input our staff in

02:39:04.200 --> 02:39:07.200
general for  taking up the the  the

02:39:08.160 --> 02:39:11.096
very difficult task of  getting the

02:39:11.120 --> 02:39:14.120
organization back on a a financially

02:39:14.160 --> 02:39:17.160
sustainable footing and  and I thank

02:39:18.479 --> 02:39:21.479
Council Cricks Delightis as well 

02:39:21.520 --> 02:39:24.520
because he he is concerned about 

02:39:24.720 --> 02:39:27.176
appointed people and the impact they

02:39:27.200 --> 02:39:29.656
have on council but what's impressed me

02:39:29.680 --> 02:39:31.896
with these people that they are they're

02:39:31.920 --> 02:39:34.455
genuine they're community members and

02:39:34.479 --> 02:39:37.479
they they have a a background that 

02:39:38.000 --> 02:39:39.816
that certainly supports the fact that

02:39:39.840 --> 02:39:42.375
they deserve to be on a committee such

02:39:42.399 --> 02:39:44.696
as that but not only that they're doing

02:39:44.720 --> 02:39:47.656
it free of charge they're putting a lot

02:39:47.680 --> 02:39:50.056
of their own time in and they're really

02:39:50.080 --> 02:39:51.496
working their butts off for the Shaw

02:39:51.520 --> 02:39:54.056
Haven just like our staff does so I

02:39:54.080 --> 02:39:56.056
think it's a wonderful mesh the way it's

02:39:56.080 --> 02:39:58.776
come together i I thoroughly support it

02:39:58.800 --> 02:40:01.496
and I do support what our executive

02:40:01.520 --> 02:40:03.896
management team are doing in in

02:40:03.920 --> 02:40:06.920
redirecting this organization back to a

02:40:06.960 --> 02:40:09.960
financial footing thanks Mr chair

02:40:10.800 --> 02:40:13.096
 thank you Councelor Proudoot and 

02:40:13.120 --> 02:40:16.120
so  let's head to the machines to 

02:40:16.319 --> 02:40:19.319
vote on this recommendation with the 

02:40:19.439 --> 02:40:22.439
with the amendment

02:40:26.000 --> 02:40:29.000
all

02:40:30.479 --> 02:40:33.479
councelor

02:40:35.760 --> 02:40:38.455
 that's a four for councelor Dunn four

02:40:38.479 --> 02:40:41.335
for councelor Johnston and councelor

02:40:41.359 --> 02:40:44.359
Norris against

02:40:44.960 --> 02:40:47.960
against

02:40:51.520 --> 02:40:54.520
um  so that is carried  111

02:40:56.319 --> 02:40:58.936
um four council Clancy Councelor Kemp

02:40:58.960 --> 02:41:00.616
Councelor Casmir Councelor Dunn

02:41:00.640 --> 02:41:02.295
Councelor Cox Councelor Proudoot

02:41:02.319 --> 02:41:04.856
Councelor Tribe Councelor Boyd Councelor

02:41:04.880 --> 02:41:06.616
Johnston Councelor Cricsters and

02:41:06.640 --> 02:41:08.776
Councelor Wilkins against Councelor

02:41:08.800 --> 02:41:11.800
Norris i declare that carried  we now

02:41:12.479 --> 02:41:14.176
move on to

02:41:14.200 --> 02:41:17.200
CL2163 DPOP 

02:41:17.479 --> 02:41:20.479
202425  Council Proudoot

02:41:21.200 --> 02:41:24.056
 thanks Mr chair i move the

02:41:24.080 --> 02:41:27.080
recommendation as printed and

02:41:27.640 --> 02:41:30.640
 again I  I do congratulate our

02:41:30.960 --> 02:41:33.960
staff  for working so hard towards 

02:41:35.680 --> 02:41:38.680
the results that are achieved in the 

02:41:38.720 --> 02:41:40.295
in the quarterly performance budget

02:41:40.319 --> 02:41:42.696
report January through to March so I did

02:41:42.720 --> 02:41:45.720
have some  um comments on the 

02:41:46.800 --> 02:41:48.696
addendum attachments under separate

02:41:48.720 --> 02:41:51.720
cover  the notices of motion that's

02:41:52.479 --> 02:41:54.936
uncompleted and  or non-completed and

02:41:54.960 --> 02:41:57.960
and the completed ones in particular

02:42:00.479 --> 02:42:03.479
it took a bit of waiting through this

02:42:09.960 --> 02:42:12.960
 the one there moved it's on page six

02:42:14.319 --> 02:42:16.455
that council direct the acting CA to

02:42:16.479 --> 02:42:18.056
prepare a report on the identification

02:42:18.080 --> 02:42:19.656
of suitable sites for the establishment

02:42:19.680 --> 02:42:22.455
of at least six new playing fields in

02:42:22.479 --> 02:42:25.479
the St george's Basin area

02:42:26.120 --> 02:42:29.120
now that's been kicked over to the to

02:42:30.680 --> 02:42:33.680
2026 the CISP review

02:42:34.840 --> 02:42:37.816
now it it fell off the table and this

02:42:37.840 --> 02:42:39.496
was the disappointment and I thought we

02:42:39.520 --> 02:42:42.520
could come up with something a bit more

02:42:42.840 --> 02:42:45.840
 definitive than what's happened it

02:42:46.640 --> 02:42:49.295
fell off the

02:42:49.319 --> 02:42:52.319
table when the wetlands at U Sanctuary

02:42:54.160 --> 02:42:56.056
Point opposite the service station there

02:42:56.080 --> 02:42:57.656
was established that's where the six

02:42:57.680 --> 02:43:00.680
playing fields had been planned for

02:43:01.359 --> 02:43:03.496
that's where they were meant to go plus

02:43:03.520 --> 02:43:05.816
a district skate park

02:43:05.840 --> 02:43:08.176
now one would have thought

02:43:08.200 --> 02:43:11.200
that if staff were going to walk away

02:43:11.439 --> 02:43:14.439
from that particular planning area there

02:43:15.280 --> 02:43:18.056
would have been a contingency plan as to

02:43:18.080 --> 02:43:20.136
where to from here where where do these

02:43:20.160 --> 02:43:22.295
playing fields go and and that wetlands

02:43:22.319 --> 02:43:24.375
has been there for quite some years and

02:43:24.399 --> 02:43:25.976
so that was the the spirit of the notice

02:43:26.000 --> 02:43:28.216
of motion to say well the planning

02:43:28.240 --> 02:43:30.856
documents would already be there

02:43:30.880 --> 02:43:32.856
you just don't make a decision like that

02:43:32.880 --> 02:43:35.256
and say "Oh we're walking away from a

02:43:35.280 --> 02:43:37.816
growth area we're walking away from six

02:43:37.840 --> 02:43:40.056
playing fields there must have been a

02:43:40.080 --> 02:43:41.896
contingency plan." And that that's what

02:43:41.920 --> 02:43:44.016
the notice of motion was effectively

02:43:44.040 --> 02:43:46.656
about where are these playing fields

02:43:46.680 --> 02:43:49.680
going and every time I've asked about it

02:43:50.240 --> 02:43:51.656
nobody knows and so now we're going to

02:43:51.680 --> 02:43:53.136
look at it in

02:43:53.160 --> 02:43:56.160
2026 the place is squeezed at the moment

02:43:57.279 --> 02:43:59.335
and that that can't be that that can't

02:43:59.359 --> 02:44:02.359
be the answer I don't believe mr chair

02:44:02.640 --> 02:44:04.696
would you mind

02:44:04.720 --> 02:44:06.696
ceo Rupri through your chair thank you

02:44:06.720 --> 02:44:09.335
councelor for um that clarification look

02:44:09.359 --> 02:44:12.359
I'm I'm happy to um take that as as a

02:44:12.880 --> 02:44:14.375
point and and have further discussions

02:44:14.399 --> 02:44:16.936
with staff i'm not aware of other plans

02:44:16.960 --> 02:44:19.496
that were undertaken and I've  looking

02:44:19.520 --> 02:44:21.896
at my director who's given me the the

02:44:21.920 --> 02:44:23.496
shake of the head to say not not aware

02:44:23.520 --> 02:44:26.056
either  so we can certainly look for

02:44:26.080 --> 02:44:28.295
any of those contingency plans that may

02:44:28.319 --> 02:44:29.896
have been done at the time the wetlands

02:44:29.920 --> 02:44:32.216
were constructed um as opposed to the

02:44:32.240 --> 02:44:34.696
playing fields as you've alluded to 

02:44:34.720 --> 02:44:37.096
and and validate that um if there is

02:44:37.120 --> 02:44:39.335
that will certainly give us a  a

02:44:39.359 --> 02:44:42.295
starting point um yeah which  which we

02:44:42.319 --> 02:44:44.056
we can then use for further updates on

02:44:44.080 --> 02:44:46.136
that particular notice of motion okay

02:44:46.160 --> 02:44:49.056
thanks Mr sea the next one's the the one

02:44:49.080 --> 02:44:52.080
that some of our deputes have raised

02:44:52.560 --> 02:44:54.936
we're talking about an online portal to

02:44:54.960 --> 02:44:57.536
encourage our community to

02:44:57.560 --> 02:45:00.216
 you know licensed contractors and

02:45:00.240 --> 02:45:01.896
trades people that sort of thing to do

02:45:01.920 --> 02:45:04.216
to do work and save council money but to

02:45:04.240 --> 02:45:06.936
get things done efficiently and

02:45:06.960 --> 02:45:09.960
expediently

02:45:10.120 --> 02:45:12.536
now to my knowledge that hasn't been

02:45:12.560 --> 02:45:14.696
achieved the portal at this stage so

02:45:14.720 --> 02:45:17.136
they can be readily accessed online so

02:45:17.160 --> 02:45:19.496
that community groups like netball

02:45:19.520 --> 02:45:22.016
groups and rugby league groups or

02:45:22.040 --> 02:45:25.040
whatever can  go online and apply to

02:45:25.359 --> 02:45:26.936
do some work could be to their dressing

02:45:26.960 --> 02:45:28.455
sheds could be a bit of drainage to

02:45:28.479 --> 02:45:30.816
their ground or whatever at their own

02:45:30.840 --> 02:45:33.840
expense um that they're using their own

02:45:34.760 --> 02:45:37.415
workers and and streamline the whole

02:45:37.439 --> 02:45:40.176
situation

02:45:40.200 --> 02:45:43.200
now that doesn't seem to have occurred

02:45:43.600 --> 02:45:46.295
and it's taking quite a lengthy period

02:45:46.319 --> 02:45:47.696
of time to get that

02:45:47.720 --> 02:45:50.720
together i don't know if we can get any

02:45:51.120 --> 02:45:53.776
any feedback on that but

02:45:53.800 --> 02:45:56.216
 I don't think anyone voted against

02:45:56.240 --> 02:45:58.696
that particular notice of motion from

02:45:58.720 --> 02:46:01.176
memory

02:46:01.200 --> 02:46:03.496
director Norwood

02:46:03.520 --> 02:46:06.136
through you chair that  portal is now

02:46:06.160 --> 02:46:08.536
operational in a trial phase there 

02:46:08.560 --> 02:46:11.176
the  technical services team are

02:46:11.200 --> 02:46:13.016
working with a select group of u

02:46:13.040 --> 02:46:14.536
community groups one being shall haven

02:46:14.560 --> 02:46:15.976
heads and I'm sorry I can't remember the

02:46:16.000 --> 02:46:17.176
other one but they're actually working

02:46:17.200 --> 02:46:19.816
with them now ironing out any issues and

02:46:19.840 --> 02:46:21.255
it's actually working well from all

02:46:21.279 --> 02:46:22.856
ports but it will be released in full

02:46:22.880 --> 02:46:25.096
very shortly so there is they are

02:46:25.120 --> 02:46:27.016
working on it it is open and they are

02:46:27.040 --> 02:46:28.776
working with testing it with selected

02:46:28.800 --> 02:46:30.776
community groups now that's good news

02:46:30.800 --> 02:46:33.496
thanks so much for that and the next the

02:46:33.520 --> 02:46:36.520
final one on page

02:46:40.040 --> 02:46:43.040
39 from memory i think it's page

02:46:48.520 --> 02:46:51.520
39 oh that's right

02:46:51.960 --> 02:46:54.960
the the toilets at war there's another

02:46:55.080 --> 02:46:58.080
one  that to me has also been put over

02:46:59.200 --> 02:47:02.176
to the 2026 CISP

02:47:02.200 --> 02:47:05.200
now as I said we my wife and myself dawn

02:47:05.520 --> 02:47:07.096
like that area three times during the

02:47:07.120 --> 02:47:08.936
election and there are no public toilets

02:47:08.960 --> 02:47:11.960
it's just it's just a shame it's a shame

02:47:12.160 --> 02:47:14.776
and that was frequently raised by people

02:47:14.800 --> 02:47:16.616
i'm not saying hundreds of people but it

02:47:16.640 --> 02:47:18.216
was frequently raised by people there

02:47:18.240 --> 02:47:19.976
that there are no public toilets i gave

02:47:20.000 --> 02:47:23.000
the example of Sullivan Road  Wary as

02:47:23.520 --> 02:47:26.216
a a community park there where kids were

02:47:26.240 --> 02:47:27.896
ducking in behind bushes and all sorts

02:47:27.920 --> 02:47:30.856
of stuff it was just most unfortunate

02:47:30.880 --> 02:47:33.816
that that couldn't be action a bit

02:47:33.840 --> 02:47:35.776
quicker than

02:47:35.800 --> 02:47:38.800
considering back in in 2026 the CISP

02:47:40.399 --> 02:47:43.399
back then  do we really have to go and

02:47:44.160 --> 02:47:45.976
do all these studies when we the

02:47:46.000 --> 02:47:47.496
community said there is no public

02:47:47.520 --> 02:47:50.520
toilets here there's there's none at 

02:47:50.960 --> 02:47:52.736
um Twin

02:47:52.760 --> 02:47:55.255
Waters right through that new area

02:47:55.279 --> 02:47:57.255
beautiful parks and water features and

02:47:57.279 --> 02:47:59.216
cycleways and

02:47:59.240 --> 02:48:01.656
everything families have barbecues there

02:48:01.680 --> 02:48:04.680
no public toilets it really is needed 

02:48:05.520 --> 02:48:08.520
and we need to somehow once the finances

02:48:09.040 --> 02:48:12.040
improve have that on a priority list 

02:48:12.720 --> 02:48:14.936
for ready for action not to consider in

02:48:14.960 --> 02:48:16.536
a future plan

02:48:16.560 --> 02:48:18.056
i thought was the role of a council that

02:48:18.080 --> 02:48:20.696
brings information forward from the

02:48:20.720 --> 02:48:23.176
community and say look we haven't got

02:48:23.200 --> 02:48:25.496
this and it really is crucial that we

02:48:25.520 --> 02:48:28.216
have it rather than keep going back i

02:48:28.240 --> 02:48:29.816
know I know we got to plan stuff and we

02:48:29.840 --> 02:48:31.496
got to study and examine stuff and do

02:48:31.520 --> 02:48:33.255
all the rest of it but the community's

02:48:33.279 --> 02:48:35.816
done all that for us but the whole of

02:48:35.840 --> 02:48:38.840
the area is subdivided and developed and

02:48:39.520 --> 02:48:42.520
the infrastructures in except for

02:48:42.760 --> 02:48:45.760
toilets thank you Mr chair i think we

02:48:46.160 --> 02:48:49.160
take that as a as a comment or we do we

02:48:49.359 --> 02:48:51.656
do thank you Councelor Proudoot so have

02:48:51.680 --> 02:48:53.816
you moved it do we have any more

02:48:53.840 --> 02:48:56.840
questions or any more  councelor Boyd

02:48:56.880 --> 02:48:59.335
yeah I'll go back to my question so

02:48:59.359 --> 02:49:02.359
erroneously asked before um page 30 last

02:49:05.120 --> 02:49:07.656
point of the 5.5 million in general fund

02:49:07.680 --> 02:49:10.680
carry forwards of 2.88 million relates

02:49:10.880 --> 02:49:13.415
to roads and transport primarily being

02:49:13.439 --> 02:49:16.439
South Coast footpaths 1.52 million etc

02:49:17.520 --> 02:49:20.520
the 1.52 million is that the um Dolphin

02:49:20.880 --> 02:49:23.880
Point footpath and

02:49:27.840 --> 02:49:30.840
acting CFO

02:49:46.479 --> 02:49:49.479
And the other part

02:49:52.000 --> 02:49:55.000
 through you deputy chair on page 134

02:49:55.359 --> 02:49:57.096
of the attachment we outline the

02:49:57.120 --> 02:49:59.335
projects that have been carried forward

02:49:59.359 --> 02:50:01.016
so there's a list of the capital

02:50:01.040 --> 02:50:03.415
programs so under urban roads we've got

02:50:03.439 --> 02:50:06.439
Dolphin Point  footpath Maraang

02:50:07.439 --> 02:50:09.736
footpath so it's the finishing Old

02:50:09.760 --> 02:50:12.760
Southern Road Footpath and Sheath Street

02:50:14.240 --> 02:50:15.415
so there's a number there under the

02:50:15.439 --> 02:50:17.176
South Coast Footpaths package okay

02:50:17.200 --> 02:50:20.200
thanks so what page was that  page 134

02:50:20.640 --> 02:50:22.295
of the attachments so it's right at the

02:50:22.319 --> 02:50:24.936
back of the depot attachment yep thank

02:50:24.960 --> 02:50:27.960
you

02:50:28.240 --> 02:50:31.240
thank you any more  any more questions

02:50:31.640 --> 02:50:34.216
comments councelor Proudoot you move

02:50:34.240 --> 02:50:36.536
that do we have a seconder that's been

02:50:36.560 --> 02:50:39.216
done that's been done all those in

02:50:39.240 --> 02:50:42.240
favor yes i  online

02:50:44.160 --> 02:50:47.160
just checking online all  all in favor

02:50:47.680 --> 02:50:50.295
three thumbs up thank you very much we

02:50:50.319 --> 02:50:52.295
declare that carried the in the

02:50:52.319 --> 02:50:55.319
old-fashioned way  so we now move on

02:50:55.520 --> 02:50:58.520
to Cal 25164 council expenses and

02:50:58.880 --> 02:51:01.335
facilities policy for adoption councelor

02:51:01.359 --> 02:51:03.976
Tribe  thank you Mr acting Chair i

02:51:04.000 --> 02:51:07.000
would like to  move the policy with a

02:51:07.760 --> 02:51:08.996
change

02:51:09.020 --> 02:51:10.176
[Applause]

02:51:10.200 --> 02:51:13.200
 in the attachments

02:51:13.359 --> 02:51:14.576
 on

02:51:14.600 --> 02:51:17.375
page 151 i'll

02:51:17.399 --> 02:51:20.375
um request the amendment come from there

02:51:20.399 --> 02:51:22.616
 I note a lot of the feedback was

02:51:22.640 --> 02:51:25.016
around having the policy be as close to

02:51:25.040 --> 02:51:26.856
the OOLG

02:51:26.880 --> 02:51:29.880
 template as possible and  we've got

02:51:30.800 --> 02:51:33.096
a few additions to official business

02:51:33.120 --> 02:51:36.120
from OOLG policy  a few of those are

02:51:37.279 --> 02:51:38.856
you know fair enough too we've got

02:51:38.880 --> 02:51:40.696
Australia Day and Anzac Day ceremonies

02:51:40.720 --> 02:51:42.696
we've got CCBs and that reflects that

02:51:42.720 --> 02:51:45.720
that is unique to our council so I

02:51:45.760 --> 02:51:48.455
completely understand that um we've got

02:51:48.479 --> 02:51:50.455
meetings with rate payers and residents

02:51:50.479 --> 02:51:52.216
and then we've got a note down the

02:51:52.240 --> 02:51:54.375
bottom as well which is also additional

02:51:54.399 --> 02:51:56.776
to the OOLG's template it's anything

02:51:56.800 --> 02:51:58.856
additional to those items listed above

02:51:58.880 --> 02:52:00.936
require prior approval from CEO or

02:52:00.960 --> 02:52:03.496
delegate and presumably that is so that

02:52:03.520 --> 02:52:05.335
um anything outside of this can still be

02:52:05.359 --> 02:52:08.359
done but just with request um so  for

02:52:09.439 --> 02:52:12.136
those reasons I am

02:52:12.160 --> 02:52:14.616
 moving it with striking out the dot

02:52:14.640 --> 02:52:16.375
point about meetings with rateayers and

02:52:16.399 --> 02:52:18.016
residents

02:52:18.040 --> 02:52:21.040
 so that if meetings happen  they

02:52:21.840 --> 02:52:24.056
can happen obviously by phone by email

02:52:24.080 --> 02:52:26.216
before other official business like CCB

02:52:26.240 --> 02:52:29.240
meetings or  if a site visit must be

02:52:29.359 --> 02:52:32.216
done or a meeting then  the other

02:52:32.240 --> 02:52:34.776
provision kicks in where you can request

02:52:34.800 --> 02:52:36.616
approval from the CEO or the CEO's

02:52:36.640 --> 02:52:39.096
delegate which might governance to say

02:52:39.120 --> 02:52:40.936
I've been invited to this site briefing

02:52:40.960 --> 02:52:42.856
 I will be attending and I will be

02:52:42.880 --> 02:52:45.880
seeking  to claim for that  journey

02:52:45.920 --> 02:52:48.920
which  is understandable that people

02:52:49.120 --> 02:52:50.856
would would like to do that in certain

02:52:50.880 --> 02:52:53.880
instances where  they can't  be 

02:52:54.880 --> 02:52:56.295
communicate with the person in any other

02:52:56.319 --> 02:52:59.319
format  my concern is  well let me

02:53:00.960 --> 02:53:03.960
speak to the benefits of that um by

02:53:04.160 --> 02:53:06.856
notifying the CEO or CEO's delegate

02:53:06.880 --> 02:53:09.576
about that then  you're also more

02:53:09.600 --> 02:53:10.936
likely to be covered and there are

02:53:10.960 --> 02:53:12.455
protections from council in people

02:53:12.479 --> 02:53:13.976
knowing where you're going and and

02:53:14.000 --> 02:53:16.375
covering you for insurance purposes 

02:53:16.399 --> 02:53:19.399
rather than  it it being unknown and I

02:53:20.399 --> 02:53:23.399
also think it leaves council  open to

02:53:24.000 --> 02:53:26.936
potential misuse by leaving it in  not

02:53:26.960 --> 02:53:28.536
suggesting anyone around this table

02:53:28.560 --> 02:53:31.560
would do that but I think  by 

02:53:31.680 --> 02:53:33.096
putting it in there we're making sure

02:53:33.120 --> 02:53:36.120
that we're keeping the policy as 

02:53:36.720 --> 02:53:38.696
robust and tight as possible and as in

02:53:38.720 --> 02:53:41.720
line with the OG guidelines as possible

02:53:42.359 --> 02:53:45.359
 I think  by leaving it there it

02:53:46.880 --> 02:53:49.880
sends a a negative message councilors we

02:53:50.399 --> 02:53:53.016
do need to step up and we are putting 

02:53:53.040 --> 02:53:54.455
tightening our belts across the whole

02:53:54.479 --> 02:53:56.295
organization and we too need to do that

02:53:56.319 --> 02:53:58.295
and be as economical as possible with

02:53:58.319 --> 02:54:01.319
what with how we behave  but

02:54:02.279 --> 02:54:05.279
 yeah I also think that  we need to

02:54:05.920 --> 02:54:08.056
have strong justification about why we'd

02:54:08.080 --> 02:54:11.016
be deviating from OG policy and I'm just

02:54:11.040 --> 02:54:14.040
not seeing the justification  for that

02:54:14.880 --> 02:54:17.576
 as I said there are ample other ways

02:54:17.600 --> 02:54:19.255
that we can communicate with people and

02:54:19.279 --> 02:54:21.415
we can still go and visit  there just

02:54:21.439 --> 02:54:23.896
needs to be that additional  approval

02:54:23.920 --> 02:54:25.656
which provides an added layer of

02:54:25.680 --> 02:54:28.680
protection  as well  I do have a

02:54:30.000 --> 02:54:32.776
question but I'll um actually no I will

02:54:32.800 --> 02:54:34.776
do the question now as well before we

02:54:34.800 --> 02:54:37.375
open to debate

02:54:37.399 --> 02:54:40.399
um it was mentioned in there that

02:54:41.080 --> 02:54:44.080
another change to the model code  is

02:54:45.680 --> 02:54:48.680
the ability to have the mar vehicle as

02:54:48.920 --> 02:54:51.920
optional  if we do move this way

02:54:52.960 --> 02:54:55.896
tonight can I ask  through you Mr

02:54:55.920 --> 02:54:57.976
chair to staff what would happen to the

02:54:58.000 --> 02:54:59.896
mayor's vehicle that's already been

02:54:59.920 --> 02:55:02.696
allocated and is sitting in a depo 

02:55:02.720 --> 02:55:05.496
what would happen to the vehicle

02:55:05.520 --> 02:55:08.520
yeah through you through you Mr chair um

02:55:09.439 --> 02:55:11.176
there seems to be ambiguity around this

02:55:11.200 --> 02:55:13.415
vehicle councilors um there were several

02:55:13.439 --> 02:55:16.056
of the same vehicles purchased at  at

02:55:16.080 --> 02:55:18.375
the time the previous mayor's vehicle

02:55:18.399 --> 02:55:21.016
has been auctioned off  so so that is

02:55:21.040 --> 02:55:23.736
no longer part of our our fleet  there

02:55:23.760 --> 02:55:26.760
are um similar vehicles  that that

02:55:27.279 --> 02:55:30.279
still remain on on fleet at this point

02:55:31.479 --> 02:55:33.415
great

02:55:33.439 --> 02:55:35.816
i'll res that's so I'm moving with that

02:55:35.840 --> 02:55:38.840
amendment striking out  meetings with

02:55:39.279 --> 02:55:41.016
rate payers and residents and reserve my

02:55:41.040 --> 02:55:44.040
right of reply

02:55:44.800 --> 02:55:47.335
u thank you councelor tribe well we're

02:55:47.359 --> 02:55:50.359
discussing the   the

02:55:50.600 --> 02:55:52.856
amendment  do we have a second for

02:55:52.880 --> 02:55:55.375
that

02:55:55.399 --> 02:55:58.399
amendment councelor Casemary um and

02:55:59.840 --> 02:56:02.840
councelor Kemp um no i I'm seeking an

02:56:03.120 --> 02:56:06.120
amendment yeah  councelor Cox would

02:56:06.880 --> 02:56:09.335
you like to  Can I talk to that yeah

02:56:09.359 --> 02:56:11.816
yeah talk to that kid yeah no that's

02:56:11.840 --> 02:56:13.656
what we're discussing no I disagree i

02:56:13.680 --> 02:56:16.536
think um councelor Tri's inference um is

02:56:16.560 --> 02:56:19.255
un unnecessary and I think that um if

02:56:19.279 --> 02:56:21.176
people rate payers you should be able to

02:56:21.200 --> 02:56:23.016
go and meet with rate payers and I would

02:56:23.040 --> 02:56:26.040
think that the CEO um keep checking in

02:56:26.319 --> 02:56:27.816
with him every 5 minutes if you can go

02:56:27.840 --> 02:56:29.096
and meet someone is just going to add

02:56:29.120 --> 02:56:31.176
additional work and unnecessary layers

02:56:31.200 --> 02:56:32.455
so I think that should just be

02:56:32.479 --> 02:56:35.479
completely left alone thank you

02:56:35.920 --> 02:56:38.920
i just clarify something Mr chair sorry

02:56:39.040 --> 02:56:41.656
 we're just going to clarify something

02:56:41.680 --> 02:56:44.680
 Councelor Proudfoot

02:56:45.840 --> 02:56:48.455
 thanks Mr chair no I I agree with

02:56:48.479 --> 02:56:49.776
Councelor

02:56:49.800 --> 02:56:52.800
Cox um I believe that you need to trust

02:56:54.319 --> 02:56:55.375
your

02:56:55.399 --> 02:56:57.576
councils they've been elected by the

02:56:57.600 --> 02:57:00.136
people to represent the people and if a

02:57:00.160 --> 02:57:03.160
council law wants to go and  say look

02:57:04.080 --> 02:57:07.080
at some a drainage issue at at

02:57:07.240 --> 02:57:09.656
Kbara then the council law should be

02:57:09.680 --> 02:57:11.016
able to go out there and look at that

02:57:11.040 --> 02:57:12.136
drainage issue whether there are

02:57:12.160 --> 02:57:15.096
residents there or not it may be during

02:57:15.120 --> 02:57:17.335
the height of a storm to to see exactly

02:57:17.359 --> 02:57:20.359
what's going on it it may be a an issue

02:57:21.439 --> 02:57:23.736
on a foreshore where you do meet with a

02:57:23.760 --> 02:57:26.760
few people and  without having to

02:57:27.359 --> 02:57:30.359
contact the CEO or the the nominee of

02:57:31.120 --> 02:57:34.120
the CEO to to  like a school kid to

02:57:35.279 --> 02:57:36.176
get

02:57:36.200 --> 02:57:39.200
permission now I'd probably make less

02:57:39.279 --> 02:57:41.576
claims than most people here and and

02:57:41.600 --> 02:57:43.656
that's because I' I've been on council

02:57:43.680 --> 02:57:45.656
for quite some time and I I pretty well

02:57:45.680 --> 02:57:47.255
know the area so I don't have to get out

02:57:47.279 --> 02:57:49.896
there and keep looking at it but for for

02:57:49.920 --> 02:57:52.056
council laws that aren't real sure about

02:57:52.080 --> 02:57:55.016
some of the the the spots in our city

02:57:55.040 --> 02:57:57.736
they haven't seen what happens  they

02:57:57.760 --> 02:57:59.096
should be able to go there at any time

02:57:59.120 --> 02:58:02.120
they feel like go and look at the issue

02:58:02.560 --> 02:58:03.976
if they're talking to people well and

02:58:04.000 --> 02:58:06.375
good if they know the name of the people

02:58:06.399 --> 02:58:07.656
well and good they can put that on the

02:58:07.680 --> 02:58:10.680
form when you make your claim um but

02:58:11.439 --> 02:58:14.295
otherwise  trust your counselors i

02:58:14.319 --> 02:58:16.136
mean if we if we haven't got trust in

02:58:16.160 --> 02:58:18.936
each other  or we we we try and plan

02:58:18.960 --> 02:58:20.536
on saying council tribes trying to play

02:58:20.560 --> 02:58:22.255
politics with it but I know other people

02:58:22.279 --> 02:58:25.279
do forever at this travel claim thing to

02:58:26.000 --> 02:58:29.000
try to make a big issue of it um I think

02:58:29.200 --> 02:58:31.496
it's pretty poor form i mean I trust the

02:58:31.520 --> 02:58:34.520
people in this table um I don't see why

02:58:34.640 --> 02:58:36.936
everyone can't trust the people thanks

02:58:36.960 --> 02:58:39.335
Mr chair thanks Council Proudoot now

02:58:39.359 --> 02:58:42.359
just a a technicality we need to we are

02:58:42.640 --> 02:58:45.096
we are debating the  the amendment

02:58:45.120 --> 02:58:47.016
suggested by council of tribe but we

02:58:47.040 --> 02:58:50.040
need to foreshadow the original motion

02:58:50.160 --> 02:58:53.160
and if this is lost  then we'll go

02:58:53.359 --> 02:58:55.335
back to that and  vote on that with

02:58:55.359 --> 02:58:56.856
the change the motion it's not an

02:58:56.880 --> 02:58:59.880
amendment it's the mot yeah yeah that's

02:59:00.160 --> 02:59:03.160
the motion yes thank you um well it's

02:59:03.520 --> 02:59:06.520
the recommendation 

02:59:06.600 --> 02:59:09.600
councelor Johnston

02:59:10.000 --> 02:59:13.000
Thank you very much acting chair um I

02:59:13.439 --> 02:59:15.896
was in two minds about this but I I kind

02:59:15.920 --> 02:59:18.216
of think that we are leaving ourselves

02:59:18.240 --> 02:59:20.375
open because I you know agree with

02:59:20.399 --> 02:59:21.736
councelor Prevold it would be great to

02:59:21.760 --> 02:59:24.760
be able to trust everyone in the room um

02:59:25.359 --> 02:59:27.816
but looking at past experience and past

02:59:27.840 --> 02:59:29.255
council expenses that has not

02:59:29.279 --> 02:59:31.176
potentially been the case looking at the

02:59:31.200 --> 02:59:34.200
disparity between some and the rest I

02:59:34.319 --> 02:59:36.056
think many people do all this with

02:59:36.080 --> 02:59:38.696
genuine and it's not stopping people

02:59:38.720 --> 02:59:40.936
seeing rape parts and residents or going

02:59:40.960 --> 02:59:43.335
out and doing things it is coming in

02:59:43.359 --> 02:59:46.359
line with OG guidelines it is then it's

02:59:47.600 --> 02:59:49.896
making people make smart choices about

02:59:49.920 --> 02:59:52.136
when they meet people to try and

02:59:52.160 --> 02:59:53.896
regulate the time i have to do this

02:59:53.920 --> 02:59:55.656
anyway because I have limited amount of

02:59:55.680 --> 02:59:58.680
time that I can provide to my council

02:59:58.800 --> 03:00:00.856
duties so therefore whenever I go to a

03:00:00.880 --> 03:00:02.455
CCB if I need to meet with someone I

03:00:02.479 --> 03:00:03.976
make sure it's at the same time if I

03:00:04.000 --> 03:00:05.335
have to take my kids somewhere I meet

03:00:05.359 --> 03:00:07.496
with someone at the same time so I don't

03:00:07.520 --> 03:00:09.096
make claims because I'm there doing

03:00:09.120 --> 03:00:11.255
something else it's about being smart

03:00:11.279 --> 03:00:13.656
the way we operate and removing this

03:00:13.680 --> 03:00:16.056
doesn't stop anybody going to see

03:00:16.080 --> 03:00:18.295
resident rates when they need to it's

03:00:18.319 --> 03:00:20.696
about making sure we think about it

03:00:20.720 --> 03:00:23.720
before we do it and also it does mean

03:00:23.840 --> 03:00:26.136
that if you are driving longer distances

03:00:26.160 --> 03:00:28.616
as we all need to within the Shoalhaven

03:00:28.640 --> 03:00:30.136
it means that when you are doing that

03:00:30.160 --> 03:00:31.896
official business and there is is a

03:00:31.920 --> 03:00:34.455
record of it and people are advised then

03:00:34.479 --> 03:00:36.056
at least there is that evidence that if

03:00:36.080 --> 03:00:39.080
something happens to you we have ability

03:00:39.200 --> 03:00:42.200
to be covered i just think going away I

03:00:42.319 --> 03:00:44.656
don't understand if the OG and the other

03:00:44.680 --> 03:00:47.680
councils across New South Wales if this

03:00:47.920 --> 03:00:49.896
is not part of this and why do we have

03:00:49.920 --> 03:00:52.216
it why are we so special and why do we

03:00:52.240 --> 03:00:55.096
need it and none of them do so I don't

03:00:55.120 --> 03:00:56.856
see it being necessary i think the

03:00:56.880 --> 03:00:59.880
others are and our requirement to go and

03:00:59.920 --> 03:01:02.375
visit rate players and residents is we

03:01:02.399 --> 03:01:05.295
can do it it just means a couple of

03:01:05.319 --> 03:01:08.216
seconds i'm sure if we talk less in the

03:01:08.240 --> 03:01:09.736
meetings we will get some of that time

03:01:09.760 --> 03:01:11.896
back and we would actually be able to do

03:01:11.920 --> 03:01:13.415
those additional things to ask for

03:01:13.439 --> 03:01:15.656
permission so I just think there is an

03:01:15.680 --> 03:01:17.415
opportunity here for us to align again

03:01:17.439 --> 03:01:19.976
with OG and also demonstrate to our

03:01:20.000 --> 03:01:22.536
community that we are willing to think

03:01:22.560 --> 03:01:25.176
more about how we claim and what we can

03:01:25.200 --> 03:01:27.576
do when we're expecting them to put

03:01:27.600 --> 03:01:29.656
their hands in their pockets and also

03:01:29.680 --> 03:01:31.896
expecting our staff to tighten strings

03:01:31.920 --> 03:01:34.696
and save money wherever we can like

03:01:34.720 --> 03:01:36.375
family daycare and all the other things

03:01:36.399 --> 03:01:39.335
we have stopped to enable us to do this

03:01:39.359 --> 03:01:41.415
and I just think it's a very small thing

03:01:41.439 --> 03:01:43.016
it doesn't make a big difference or

03:01:43.040 --> 03:01:44.375
shouldn't make a difference to the way

03:01:44.399 --> 03:01:47.399
we operate thank you

03:01:48.560 --> 03:01:50.536
 councelor Thank you councelor

03:01:50.560 --> 03:01:53.560
Johnston  councelor Kemp

03:01:54.560 --> 03:01:57.560
thank you um Mr chair um look I question

03:01:59.200 --> 03:02:01.255
the legality of the petition that you've

03:02:01.279 --> 03:02:04.279
tabled in the papers the

03:02:04.520 --> 03:02:07.520
policy of petitions must be that is 500

03:02:08.640 --> 03:02:11.640
for it to be put into the business paper

03:02:11.680 --> 03:02:14.056
some question the legality on that i'm

03:02:14.080 --> 03:02:16.455
going to have to  we're actually

03:02:16.479 --> 03:02:19.479
debating this particular  motion at

03:02:20.319 --> 03:02:22.496
the moment so I'm going to have to defer

03:02:22.520 --> 03:02:25.520
to CEO i don't want decisions based on

03:02:26.160 --> 03:02:28.776
that being in there which is why I'm

03:02:28.800 --> 03:02:30.375
getting that through now through you

03:02:30.399 --> 03:02:33.176
chair  so councilors the um although a

03:02:33.200 --> 03:02:35.096
petition it was included as as

03:02:35.120 --> 03:02:37.576
submission through the  through the

03:02:37.600 --> 03:02:40.536
exhibition period  so the the issues

03:02:40.560 --> 03:02:42.455
raised whether a petition or not was

03:02:42.479 --> 03:02:44.455
still  issues that were submitted as

03:02:44.479 --> 03:02:46.455
part of the the public exhibition period

03:02:46.479 --> 03:02:49.479
i will ask our manager of  governance

03:02:50.000 --> 03:02:52.455
 risk and assurance y to  sorry

03:02:52.479 --> 03:02:55.096
business risk and assurance assurance to

03:02:55.120 --> 03:02:58.120
 to um comment further on that

03:03:02.160 --> 03:03:04.216
through you Mr chair um just to confirm

03:03:04.240 --> 03:03:06.696
in council's petition policy does allow

03:03:06.720 --> 03:03:09.255
members of the community to um submit

03:03:09.279 --> 03:03:12.279
petitions to council of um arrange well

03:03:12.800 --> 03:03:15.176
basically any number of individual

03:03:15.200 --> 03:03:17.976
petitioners the policy and the 500

03:03:18.000 --> 03:03:20.616
figure in the policy stipulates that if

03:03:20.640 --> 03:03:23.016
a matter petition is received by council

03:03:23.040 --> 03:03:25.496
that has more than 500 signatures and

03:03:25.520 --> 03:03:27.576
it's not relating to a matter which is

03:03:27.600 --> 03:03:30.216
already um in a reporting process to

03:03:30.240 --> 03:03:32.375
council or not already been considered

03:03:32.399 --> 03:03:35.399
in a council process then it will prompt

03:03:35.680 --> 03:03:38.680
a fresh and separate report to council

03:03:39.279 --> 03:03:42.279
so um in this scenario it came in during

03:03:42.399 --> 03:03:45.399
the submission process um and so

03:03:45.439 --> 03:03:46.856
therefore we've included it as

03:03:46.880 --> 03:03:49.880
commentary for councilors to consider

03:03:51.920 --> 03:03:53.696
thank you

03:03:53.720 --> 03:03:56.720
um okay speaking to the amendment I I

03:03:57.520 --> 03:03:59.255
would like to put in an amendment at the

03:03:59.279 --> 03:04:01.335
right point also just want to correct

03:04:01.359 --> 03:04:04.359
Ben there  initially when Ben spoke he

03:04:04.720 --> 03:04:07.720
said there was 306 signatures

03:04:08.240 --> 03:04:10.856
 on that petition

03:04:10.880 --> 03:04:13.880
is that correct well in the report it's

03:04:15.160 --> 03:04:18.160
actually 176 signatures were received

03:04:18.240 --> 03:04:20.455
during that might have been updated so

03:04:20.479 --> 03:04:22.295
we'll just  we'll have to take

03:04:22.319 --> 03:04:24.375
councelor Krikstolaitis at his word there

03:04:24.399 --> 03:04:26.216
i think  council I'd like to see some

03:04:26.240 --> 03:04:28.056
proof of that thank you i'm sure that'll

03:04:28.080 --> 03:04:29.816
be available and I'd like to move an

03:04:29.840 --> 03:04:31.896
amendment when that's um applicable

03:04:31.920 --> 03:04:34.920
thank you so we've got a motion which

03:04:35.439 --> 03:04:38.439
has been um had had changes by the

03:04:39.439 --> 03:04:41.415
council tableing the motion you have a

03:04:41.439 --> 03:04:44.216
foreshadowed motion so it's up to

03:04:44.240 --> 03:04:46.455
whether council would like to put an

03:04:46.479 --> 03:04:49.096
amendment through on what what  here

03:04:49.120 --> 03:04:50.616
or the foreshadowed motion would you

03:04:50.640 --> 03:04:52.616
like the amendment on the foreshadowed

03:04:52.640 --> 03:04:54.696
motion which is the original motion or

03:04:54.720 --> 03:04:57.415
the current  amendment that we're

03:04:57.439 --> 03:05:00.375
discussing at the moment

03:05:00.399 --> 03:05:01.976
while you're thinking about that I I

03:05:02.000 --> 03:05:05.000
might add my   brief from the chair

03:05:05.840 --> 03:05:08.840
um the original please

03:05:09.600 --> 03:05:12.600
yeah okay well we'll  we'll come back

03:05:12.960 --> 03:05:15.096
to that in a moment we're voting we're

03:05:15.120 --> 03:05:17.896
talking about the amendment  proposed

03:05:17.920 --> 03:05:20.920
by council tribe i'm going to say that I

03:05:21.200 --> 03:05:24.200
regard  I do regard it as a a little

03:05:24.880 --> 03:05:27.880
bit of a slur um on the  the character

03:05:29.200 --> 03:05:32.200
of the the current counselors so I do

03:05:32.640 --> 03:05:34.736
back councelor Proudoot in his

03:05:34.760 --> 03:05:37.760
assessment um we do  we do talk with

03:05:39.040 --> 03:05:41.255
the rate payers it's part of the job we

03:05:41.279 --> 03:05:44.279
go out we we talk with them on the phone

03:05:44.720 --> 03:05:47.720
um for the most time but  when

03:05:47.840 --> 03:05:50.736
required um we do

03:05:50.760 --> 03:05:53.760
 we might go and visit for a a DA or

03:05:54.640 --> 03:05:57.176
for drainage or whatever you do have to

03:05:57.200 --> 03:05:59.776
go on site so I think those  rare

03:05:59.800 --> 03:06:02.800
times  that u you shouldn't have to be

03:06:04.080 --> 03:06:06.216
treated like a school child there is

03:06:06.240 --> 03:06:08.536
detail you have to put detail into the

03:06:08.560 --> 03:06:11.560
 into your expenses form and you have

03:06:12.240 --> 03:06:15.240
to  you have to verify that that's a

03:06:15.279 --> 03:06:18.056
legitimate p person i'm sure  that

03:06:18.080 --> 03:06:19.856
could be followed up

03:06:19.880 --> 03:06:22.776
um at the slightest provocation but I

03:06:22.800 --> 03:06:25.800
think you'd have to take it um from the

03:06:26.399 --> 03:06:28.856
position as counselor that  you would

03:06:28.880 --> 03:06:31.880
do that in in good faith so I think that

03:06:32.880 --> 03:06:35.656
 the meetings with rate payers and

03:06:35.680 --> 03:06:37.576
residents

03:06:37.600 --> 03:06:40.600
um should be left in as is it's  I

03:06:41.680 --> 03:06:43.896
don't think we we're talking about a

03:06:43.920 --> 03:06:46.616
really a major a major total here it

03:06:46.640 --> 03:06:49.176
doesn't happen  um all that often or

03:06:49.200 --> 03:06:51.976
if it does it's a necessity of the job

03:06:52.000 --> 03:06:54.375
we're counselors serving the community

03:06:54.399 --> 03:06:56.375
you should be able to go and  visit

03:06:56.399 --> 03:06:58.696
with a rate par and a resident if  if

03:06:58.720 --> 03:07:01.016
absolutely required given that most of

03:07:01.040 --> 03:07:04.040
the business  does happen on the phone

03:07:04.640 --> 03:07:06.536
it's a rare exception but you have to

03:07:06.560 --> 03:07:08.776
fill in the detail so with that we're

03:07:08.800 --> 03:07:11.176
going to  we're going to vote on this

03:07:11.200 --> 03:07:14.200
amendment now  sorry can I have my

03:07:15.600 --> 03:07:18.295
right of reply  yes you may have your

03:07:18.319 --> 03:07:20.936
right of apply council tribe thank you

03:07:20.960 --> 03:07:22.455
and thank you for the discussion

03:07:22.479 --> 03:07:24.936
everybody  can I please assure you

03:07:24.960 --> 03:07:27.896
that  it is no slur on any individual

03:07:27.920 --> 03:07:29.656
counselor i've been very outspoken on

03:07:29.680 --> 03:07:31.976
this issue even before I was elected and

03:07:32.000 --> 03:07:33.656
before I even knew what the makeup of

03:07:33.680 --> 03:07:36.216
this council would be i was quite vocal

03:07:36.240 --> 03:07:39.096
on this and  and I still maintain that

03:07:39.120 --> 03:07:42.120
it is about following best practice and

03:07:42.720 --> 03:07:45.255
 and good governance not a slight on

03:07:45.279 --> 03:07:48.279
any individual I assure you  as 

03:07:48.960 --> 03:07:50.936
many have pointed out that yes you can

03:07:50.960 --> 03:07:52.536
still meet with residents no one is

03:07:52.560 --> 03:07:54.216
stopping you from meeting with residents

03:07:54.240 --> 03:07:56.696
 I myself have met with residents and

03:07:56.720 --> 03:07:59.016
looked at drains before and after CCB

03:07:59.040 --> 03:08:02.040
meetings  and  on my way to other

03:08:02.080 --> 03:08:04.536
things i I haven't I've managed to not

03:08:04.560 --> 03:08:06.856
claim for these because I I I don't

03:08:06.880 --> 03:08:08.136
believe that you should be able to

03:08:08.160 --> 03:08:10.295
because it is against the OG best

03:08:10.319 --> 03:08:13.016
practice and so I have found other ways

03:08:13.040 --> 03:08:15.736
 around it my concern is not just the

03:08:15.760 --> 03:08:17.656
kilometers themselves it's that it

03:08:17.680 --> 03:08:19.255
triggers as we heard in the briefing a

03:08:19.279 --> 03:08:20.455
whole range of other things that

03:08:20.479 --> 03:08:21.976
depending on the time of day it triggers

03:08:22.000 --> 03:08:24.696
meal allowances and and has other flowon

03:08:24.720 --> 03:08:27.415
effects that  affect our bottom line

03:08:27.439 --> 03:08:29.096
at a time where we are trying to cut

03:08:29.120 --> 03:08:31.896
back so um it's about I like what

03:08:31.920 --> 03:08:33.656
councelor Johnson said it's about making

03:08:33.680 --> 03:08:36.680
smart choices and  so I do  commend

03:08:38.319 --> 03:08:40.056
 this best practice to you i notice

03:08:40.080 --> 03:08:42.616
that we have made exceptions and I and I

03:08:42.640 --> 03:08:45.415
support those um but I I do think we

03:08:45.439 --> 03:08:48.439
need to stick as closely as possible to

03:08:49.040 --> 03:08:51.656
the model template and  I encourage

03:08:51.680 --> 03:08:54.680
you to support the motion

03:08:54.960 --> 03:08:56.455
yeah thank you councelor tried let's

03:08:56.479 --> 03:08:59.096
head to the machines to vote on  this

03:08:59.120 --> 03:09:02.120
 this amendment first of all

03:09:10.000 --> 03:09:13.000
council Johnson I'm four

03:09:13.359 --> 03:09:16.056
excuse me Mr chair that's funding for

03:09:16.080 --> 03:09:19.016
the motion not the amendment

03:09:19.040 --> 03:09:20.856
yeah the motion with the amendment yes

03:09:20.880 --> 03:09:23.255
exactly which became the motion thank

03:09:23.279 --> 03:09:26.279
you

03:09:29.359 --> 03:09:32.359
four please

03:09:39.200 --> 03:09:42.200
council Johnson I'm four

03:09:48.399 --> 03:09:51.399
is everyone put their vote in

03:09:56.000 --> 03:09:59.000
i'm missing one

03:10:09.279 --> 03:10:12.279
so does everyone agree with the 

03:10:12.640 --> 03:10:15.415
 that their votes been represented 

03:10:15.439 --> 03:10:17.216
so

03:10:17.240 --> 03:10:20.240
I that's been carried

03:10:20.960 --> 03:10:22.335


03:10:22.359 --> 03:10:25.359
against  councelor Clancy Councelor

03:10:25.800 --> 03:10:28.800
Kemp Councelor Cox Councelor Proudfoot

03:10:29.120 --> 03:10:32.120
Councelor Wilkins and four Councelor

03:10:32.720 --> 03:10:35.720
Casmir Councelor Dunn Councelor Tribe

03:10:36.240 --> 03:10:38.295
Councelor Norris Councelor Boyd and

03:10:38.319 --> 03:10:40.976
Councelor Johnston and councelor

03:10:41.000 --> 03:10:44.000
Cricstellitis

03:10:45.640 --> 03:10:48.640
75 so the

03:10:49.000 --> 03:10:50.656
 that

03:10:50.680 --> 03:10:53.680
goes so we move on

03:10:55.680 --> 03:10:58.680
um

03:11:03.920 --> 03:11:06.920
Scott we we're done i no I did ask that

03:11:08.000 --> 03:11:10.455
an amendment be put in and we went to 

03:11:10.479 --> 03:11:13.335
well it it was a little out of context

03:11:13.359 --> 03:11:15.016
it had to go in the foreshadow you said

03:11:15.040 --> 03:11:17.415
it had to go in the foreshadowed motion

03:11:17.439 --> 03:11:19.816
which was the original one  we can't

03:11:19.840 --> 03:11:21.896
go back to the foreshadowed motion as

03:11:21.920 --> 03:11:24.920
the  this motion's been carried so the

03:11:25.279 --> 03:11:28.279
foreshadowed motion has elapsed

03:11:29.600 --> 03:11:31.335
okay i'll have to put in a recision

03:11:31.359 --> 03:11:34.295
thank you i'm learning quickly some

03:11:34.319 --> 03:11:37.016
would say not quickly enough but Mr

03:11:37.040 --> 03:11:40.040
chair this may this may be the  the

03:11:40.560 --> 03:11:43.560
most complex introduction yeah um All

03:11:44.319 --> 03:11:47.319
right

03:11:49.880 --> 03:11:52.880
so we move ahead

03:11:55.600 --> 03:11:58.600
take a deep breath

03:11:58.880 --> 03:12:01.335
um

03:12:01.359 --> 03:12:04.359
171 called out yes 171 171 so we're

03:12:04.720 --> 03:12:07.720
going to the CL251 171 progress report

03:12:09.439 --> 03:12:11.816
financial and practical feasibility of

03:12:11.840 --> 03:12:13.896
increasing internal delivery of traffic

03:12:13.920 --> 03:12:16.920
control services so councelor

03:12:17.800 --> 03:12:20.736
Kemp the traffic control

03:12:20.760 --> 03:12:23.096
services I'll give you a a couple of

03:12:23.120 --> 03:12:25.976
moments to  to reset

03:12:26.000 --> 03:12:29.000
sorry CL 251 171 page 61 61 sorry

03:12:32.520 --> 03:12:34.936
everybody okay i've just got a question

03:12:34.960 --> 03:12:37.960
on that is what is the cost please

03:12:38.640 --> 03:12:41.640
so are you  Mr rupra i will ask

03:12:42.560 --> 03:12:45.255
director Norwood to answer director

03:12:45.279 --> 03:12:47.816
Norwood um councelor Kent the annual

03:12:47.840 --> 03:12:50.295
cost for traffic control yes please  I

03:12:50.319 --> 03:12:52.616
think year to date is $1.4 million

03:12:52.640 --> 03:12:55.640
correct 1.4 million is it around about

03:12:56.000 --> 03:12:59.000
million dollars yeah a million or 1.4

03:12:59.600 --> 03:13:01.976
for

03:13:02.000 --> 03:13:04.616
I think it's around 1.4 year to date and

03:13:04.640 --> 03:13:06.216
that would be spread across works and

03:13:06.240 --> 03:13:07.816
services

03:13:07.840 --> 03:13:10.840
um works and services and I think some

03:13:11.520 --> 03:13:14.520
natural disasters as well sh water and

03:13:14.560 --> 03:13:17.560
natural disasters

03:13:20.160 --> 03:13:21.936
thank you

03:13:21.960 --> 03:13:24.960
um thank you director Norwood 

03:13:25.760 --> 03:13:28.455
councelor Boyd um thank you for this

03:13:28.479 --> 03:13:29.976
report i'd like to move the

03:13:30.000 --> 03:13:31.736
recommendation

03:13:31.760 --> 03:13:34.295
um seconded councelor Cricut Alitus

03:13:34.319 --> 03:13:36.455
thank you i'm really pleased even though

03:13:36.479 --> 03:13:39.479
it's not quite um concluded as yet I'm

03:13:39.920 --> 03:13:41.096
really pleased that you found

03:13:41.120 --> 03:13:43.136
efficiencies and improvements have been

03:13:43.160 --> 03:13:45.415
made while you've been working through

03:13:45.439 --> 03:13:47.496
the the original recommendations so

03:13:47.520 --> 03:13:50.520
thank you very much

03:13:53.920 --> 03:13:56.136
thank you Councelor Boyd any further

03:13:56.160 --> 03:13:58.455
discussion councelor Crystalus just 

03:13:58.479 --> 03:14:00.696
want to clarify sorry  a question

03:14:00.720 --> 03:14:02.455
through here if I may that year to date

03:14:02.479 --> 03:14:04.375
figure that was financial year not

03:14:04.399 --> 03:14:07.399
calendar year just want to clarify that

03:14:07.560 --> 03:14:10.560
yes correct

03:14:11.040 --> 03:14:13.335
 so we've had it moved and seconded

03:14:13.359 --> 03:14:14.936
all of those in favor do we have any

03:14:14.960 --> 03:14:17.960
denters

03:14:20.120 --> 03:14:21.616
no

03:14:21.640 --> 03:14:24.640
disagree the vote yeah going to the vote

03:14:25.200 --> 03:14:28.200
we're going to the vote

03:14:28.720 --> 03:14:31.720
You want hands or machines um well let's

03:14:33.120 --> 03:14:35.976
go to machines no hands hands who's

03:14:36.000 --> 03:14:39.000
pushing this through

03:14:39.200 --> 03:14:41.056
we're waiting for the progress

03:14:41.080 --> 03:14:44.080
report of the financial and practical

03:14:44.160 --> 03:14:47.160
feasibility of the traffic control

03:14:47.800 --> 03:14:50.800
services we'll go to the

03:14:52.439 --> 03:14:54.776
machine if I can get to the machine I'll

03:14:54.800 --> 03:14:57.800
go to it

03:15:12.239 --> 03:15:14.455
okay oh no we've got one more there it

03:15:14.479 --> 03:15:17.479
is we've got 10 for two against and the

03:15:17.760 --> 03:15:19.415
two against councelor Clancy and

03:15:19.439 --> 03:15:21.736
councelor Kemp carried by councelor

03:15:21.760 --> 03:15:24.056
Casmiri councelor Dunn councelor Cox

03:15:24.080 --> 03:15:27.016
councelor Proudfoot councelor Tribe

03:15:27.040 --> 03:15:28.936
councelor Norris councelor Boyd

03:15:28.960 --> 03:15:30.656
councelor Johnston councelor

03:15:30.680 --> 03:15:33.680
Cricstellitis and councelor

03:15:33.880 --> 03:15:36.880
Wilkins thank you as we move

03:15:36.920 --> 03:15:39.920
 with rapidity to

03:15:40.279 --> 03:15:43.016
CL2172 the deed of mutual termination

03:15:43.040 --> 03:15:44.776
the blurf

03:15:44.800 --> 03:15:46.696
 improve resilience of the four

03:15:46.720 --> 03:15:48.616
showgrounds in the Shoalhaven councelor

03:15:48.640 --> 03:15:51.640
Kemp thank you um thank you Mr chair i

03:15:53.200 --> 03:15:56.200
just want to ask  if we deed terminate

03:15:56.560 --> 03:15:58.696
the deed of mutual

03:15:58.720 --> 03:16:01.720
um with the blur what's happening with

03:16:01.760 --> 03:16:04.760
the conja fire money that's in trust and

03:16:05.520 --> 03:16:08.520
how much is that

03:16:10.880 --> 03:16:13.415
director nor

03:16:13.439 --> 03:16:15.656
through you chair thank you the council

03:16:15.680 --> 03:16:18.680
for the question the conj has been

03:16:20.200 --> 03:16:22.616
completed and my understanding

03:16:22.640 --> 03:16:24.696
understanding is there was controller

03:16:24.720 --> 03:16:26.696
fire money

03:16:26.720 --> 03:16:28.616
so the controller fire money sorry would

03:16:28.640 --> 03:16:31.640
be  in trust which was for the jetty

03:16:32.479 --> 03:16:35.479
is that correct or the the warf that

03:16:36.800 --> 03:16:39.335
money is still in trust i can't talk to

03:16:39.359 --> 03:16:41.656
the actual amount because that's um

03:16:41.680 --> 03:16:43.896
money and trust but what I can tell you

03:16:43.920 --> 03:16:45.255
is they are still working with the

03:16:45.279 --> 03:16:47.335
community there's no impact in handing

03:16:47.359 --> 03:16:50.359
back this blur money to that trust money

03:16:51.439 --> 03:16:54.375
thank you

03:16:54.399 --> 03:16:57.335
so um is that are you moving that 

03:16:57.359 --> 03:17:00.335
councelor Kemp you moving it

03:17:00.359 --> 03:17:03.359
 yes do we have a second councelor

03:17:03.880 --> 03:17:06.880
Cricolitis um we all in favor I pushing

03:17:08.720 --> 03:17:10.576
it through not

03:17:10.600 --> 03:17:13.600
desenters okay that's

03:17:15.880 --> 03:17:18.880
carried

03:17:19.720 --> 03:17:22.720
okay um so we're now moving to the 

03:17:23.520 --> 03:17:26.520
city development the report back CL251

03:17:26.840 --> 03:17:29.656
176 impact of events in Huskerson

03:17:29.680 --> 03:17:31.056
councelor

03:17:31.080 --> 03:17:34.080
Proudoot question thank you Mr

03:17:34.520 --> 03:17:37.520
chair now this report

03:17:37.560 --> 03:17:40.375
 that's come forward as a result of a

03:17:40.399 --> 03:17:43.399
notice of motion  I've been around

03:17:45.000 --> 03:17:48.000
councils for many many years and this

03:17:48.560 --> 03:17:50.616
will be one of the best reports ever

03:17:50.640 --> 03:17:53.640
produced in my view  it's

03:17:53.720 --> 03:17:56.720
comprehensive it's well researched well

03:17:57.040 --> 03:17:58.816
put together

03:17:58.840 --> 03:18:01.840
um it provides much of the detail that

03:18:02.640 --> 03:18:04.455
our community was asking me to raise on

03:18:04.479 --> 03:18:05.215
their

03:18:05.239 --> 03:18:07.295
behalf and

03:18:07.319 --> 03:18:10.136
 the sentiment of many members of our

03:18:10.160 --> 03:18:13.160
community regarding Huskinson and the

03:18:13.760 --> 03:18:16.176
the Shoalhaven in general for that

03:18:16.200 --> 03:18:18.335
matter is that

03:18:18.359 --> 03:18:20.856
 apart from Sydney where the the

03:18:20.880 --> 03:18:23.096
number one tourist destination in New

03:18:23.120 --> 03:18:24.496
South

03:18:24.520 --> 03:18:27.520
Wales and one could argue that Huskerson

03:18:28.720 --> 03:18:30.616
is the number one tourist destination in

03:18:30.640 --> 03:18:31.536
the Shaw

03:18:31.560 --> 03:18:34.455
Haven and so that being the case that

03:18:34.479 --> 03:18:37.176
what the residents were saying to myself

03:18:37.200 --> 03:18:39.976
was are we getting our fair share of

03:18:40.000 --> 03:18:41.455
that tourist

03:18:41.479 --> 03:18:44.295
dollar are we charging enough for some

03:18:44.319 --> 03:18:47.319
of the events that are held at Huskerson

03:18:47.760 --> 03:18:50.255
in particular but also other

03:18:50.279 --> 03:18:53.279
areas and so the body of this report

03:18:54.880 --> 03:18:56.375
certainly gives our community something

03:18:56.399 --> 03:18:58.856
to look at it gives our community

03:18:58.880 --> 03:19:01.736
something to hang their hat on and get

03:19:01.760 --> 03:19:03.415
amongst themselves and talk about the

03:19:03.439 --> 03:19:06.439
the information contained within because

03:19:06.720 --> 03:19:09.720
 I had several phone calls today 

03:19:10.640 --> 03:19:13.640
from residents of  the Bayam Basin

03:19:13.720 --> 03:19:16.720
area who  really  endorse the

03:19:18.160 --> 03:19:20.056
remarks I've just said that this is such

03:19:20.080 --> 03:19:22.736
a quality report with quality

03:19:22.760 --> 03:19:25.760
information and based on quality

03:19:25.920 --> 03:19:28.016
information you can make better informed

03:19:28.040 --> 03:19:30.295
decisions and there's no question about

03:19:30.319 --> 03:19:32.616
that and so some of the events that 

03:19:32.640 --> 03:19:35.335
people raise with myself are we getting

03:19:35.359 --> 03:19:38.359
enough money out of them  we being the

03:19:40.000 --> 03:19:41.656
council

03:19:41.680 --> 03:19:44.576
 is the the Husky

03:19:44.600 --> 03:19:46.536
triathlon they've question they've

03:19:46.560 --> 03:19:48.856
questioned that have questioned some of

03:19:48.880 --> 03:19:51.880
the  the events there on  on on the

03:19:52.479 --> 03:19:54.536
Huskerson sports field in the White

03:19:54.560 --> 03:19:55.536
Sands

03:19:55.560 --> 03:19:58.496
Park and so I I believe that we

03:19:58.520 --> 03:20:01.520
can move on this contained within the

03:20:02.080 --> 03:20:04.455
report is that the the amount of money

03:20:04.479 --> 03:20:07.255
we do charge for most of our events are

03:20:07.279 --> 03:20:10.279
quite consistent with other councils and

03:20:10.800 --> 03:20:13.736
and I agree with that however when you

03:20:13.760 --> 03:20:15.496
see the number of people that come to

03:20:15.520 --> 03:20:17.455
Huskin

03:20:17.479 --> 03:20:19.856
 the number of tourists that come to

03:20:19.880 --> 03:20:22.696
Huskin then one could well advance an

03:20:22.720 --> 03:20:25.720
argument to say well it seems to me that

03:20:25.840 --> 03:20:27.576
we could actually get more money out of

03:20:27.600 --> 03:20:30.600
them in fees and charges without

03:20:31.279 --> 03:20:33.096
continually breaking that 

03:20:33.120 --> 03:20:35.415
relationship that we have built up over

03:20:35.439 --> 03:20:37.335
the years with tourists and we know the

03:20:37.359 --> 03:20:39.255
input that has into local employment

03:20:39.279 --> 03:20:42.279
opportunities for our people so with

03:20:42.319 --> 03:20:44.136
that in mind I do say thank you to the

03:20:44.160 --> 03:20:46.616
author of the report it's really well

03:20:46.640 --> 03:20:49.335
done it's something to hang our hat on

03:20:49.359 --> 03:20:51.176
we got information in there now we can

03:20:51.200 --> 03:20:54.136
continually refer to and and we can and

03:20:54.160 --> 03:20:57.160
we can do we can do   as I say

03:20:58.080 --> 03:21:00.295
review our fees and charges to better

03:21:00.319 --> 03:21:03.255
reflect the the popularity of that

03:21:03.279 --> 03:21:05.816
particular precinct so I say job well

03:21:05.840 --> 03:21:07.576
done and  let's look at this report

03:21:07.600 --> 03:21:09.496
and make some more quality decisions as

03:21:09.520 --> 03:21:11.096
to where we go in the future thank you

03:21:11.120 --> 03:21:13.816
Mr jeff thank you councelor Proudoot

03:21:13.840 --> 03:21:16.840
councelor Kemp

03:21:17.359 --> 03:21:19.576
thank you Mr chair um look just a

03:21:19.600 --> 03:21:22.600
question um the huskers markets does the

03:21:24.080 --> 03:21:26.295
money for husky markets go to the

03:21:26.319 --> 03:21:29.319
business chamber

03:21:29.520 --> 03:21:32.176
director Norwood

03:21:32.200 --> 03:21:35.200
or Christie

03:21:37.040 --> 03:21:39.656
through you Deputy Mayor um the money

03:21:39.680 --> 03:21:41.576
from the Huskys and Markets goes back

03:21:41.600 --> 03:21:43.976
into the chamber and they use that for a

03:21:44.000 --> 03:21:45.896
variety of costs such as promotion but

03:21:45.920 --> 03:21:47.496
also they give quite a bit of their

03:21:47.520 --> 03:21:50.136
money back to the community um to the

03:21:50.160 --> 03:21:51.816
primary school and and other different

03:21:51.840 --> 03:21:53.736
initiatives

03:21:53.760 --> 03:21:56.616
so it doesn't actually benefit directly

03:21:56.640 --> 03:21:57.856
into

03:21:57.880 --> 03:22:00.536
Huskerson that and the money from that

03:22:00.560 --> 03:22:03.560
also goes to um the free community

03:22:03.600 --> 03:22:06.136
fireworks at New Year's Eve so it does

03:22:06.160 --> 03:22:08.536
benefit the community through community

03:22:08.560 --> 03:22:11.560
programs and the fireworks as well as um

03:22:11.840 --> 03:22:13.896
creating revenue for promotion i'm not

03:22:13.920 --> 03:22:15.335
sure of that split but they do have

03:22:15.359 --> 03:22:18.359
annual reports okay so the husky markets

03:22:18.800 --> 03:22:21.800
and the other question that um a member

03:22:21.920 --> 03:22:24.920
of the public has asked is the triathlon

03:22:25.560 --> 03:22:28.560
um is it that it benefits local

03:22:29.040 --> 03:22:31.736
businesses at all when the triathlons on

03:22:31.760 --> 03:22:34.736
or is the organizer of

03:22:34.760 --> 03:22:37.760
that triathlon bring his own food and

03:22:38.720 --> 03:22:41.720
drinks fans do you know um no that it

03:22:43.520 --> 03:22:45.335
does actually we have some reports in

03:22:45.359 --> 03:22:48.295
the attachment that show the um uplift

03:22:48.319 --> 03:22:51.319
in spend during those periods compared

03:22:51.520 --> 03:22:54.520
to a non um period and I think we might

03:22:56.319 --> 03:22:59.319
 looking up to $100,000 more in

03:22:59.680 --> 03:23:02.455
accommodation and in the visa spend in

03:23:02.479 --> 03:23:05.479
the area compared to a non um event

03:23:06.239 --> 03:23:07.816
period

03:23:07.840 --> 03:23:10.696
okay thank you um I'd just like to know

03:23:10.720 --> 03:23:13.720
that um I might ask the businesses in

03:23:14.000 --> 03:23:15.976
Huskers some how they feel about that or

03:23:16.000 --> 03:23:17.816
whether we've got some report i'd be

03:23:17.840 --> 03:23:19.496
interested to look at okay thank you

03:23:19.520 --> 03:23:21.736
very much we'll take that on notice

03:23:21.760 --> 03:23:24.536
councelor Tribe thank you Mr acting

03:23:24.560 --> 03:23:26.215
Chair and I too would like to commend

03:23:26.239 --> 03:23:28.736
staff for this  very comprehensive

03:23:28.760 --> 03:23:31.736
report  it's great to see the numbers

03:23:31.760 --> 03:23:34.375
that data um has revealed on the uplift

03:23:34.399 --> 03:23:36.776
the economic uplift to Husky over the

03:23:36.800 --> 03:23:39.335
the course of those events  and the

03:23:39.359 --> 03:23:41.415
survey that had so many people in

03:23:41.439 --> 03:23:43.096
support of it those numbers were really

03:23:43.120 --> 03:23:44.776
great to see as well thousands of

03:23:44.800 --> 03:23:47.496
respondents  talking about how 

03:23:47.520 --> 03:23:50.455
beneficial those events are um was also

03:23:50.479 --> 03:23:52.936
really great to see i do want to commend

03:23:52.960 --> 03:23:54.375
while we're talking about Husky Chamber

03:23:54.399 --> 03:23:57.016
of Commerce who've won  gold today as

03:23:57.040 --> 03:23:59.816
the state's top tiny tourism town  and

03:23:59.840 --> 03:24:01.415
congratulate the Huskin Chamber of

03:24:01.439 --> 03:24:03.335
Commerce and local businesses  for

03:24:03.359 --> 03:24:04.856
this incredible achievement and note

03:24:04.880 --> 03:24:07.016
that um yes the money that they do raise

03:24:07.040 --> 03:24:08.856
from those markets does directly go back

03:24:08.880 --> 03:24:11.255
into the town and the sign as you see at

03:24:11.279 --> 03:24:12.856
the entrance is part of that and the

03:24:12.880 --> 03:24:14.616
maintenance of that that  that they've

03:24:14.640 --> 03:24:16.295
taken upon themselves to do with that

03:24:16.319 --> 03:24:19.176
money um is really quite incredible too

03:24:19.200 --> 03:24:22.200
um I note from the report that  we are

03:24:22.239 --> 03:24:25.176
getting  an event policy back for

03:24:25.200 --> 03:24:27.016
review later this year so no doubt there

03:24:27.040 --> 03:24:29.496
will be some  some changes for us to

03:24:29.520 --> 03:24:32.056
review and  I I think back to when I

03:24:32.080 --> 03:24:35.080
was on the tourism board  here  10

03:24:35.439 --> 03:24:37.255
or 15 years ago it's a different world

03:24:37.279 --> 03:24:40.056
now very much at the time we were about

03:24:40.080 --> 03:24:42.215
trying to attract these major events so

03:24:42.239 --> 03:24:44.616
that we get an uplift in tourism and as

03:24:44.640 --> 03:24:47.096
a result  new residents to the area 

03:24:47.120 --> 03:24:50.120
but of course now  we  we're we're

03:24:51.680 --> 03:24:53.576
fighting them off with a stick and  we

03:24:53.600 --> 03:24:54.776
don't quite have to have the same

03:24:54.800 --> 03:24:57.096
attraction methods or offering them 

03:24:57.120 --> 03:24:58.936
funding and other such things so we are

03:24:58.960 --> 03:25:00.696
in a different world and and our policy

03:25:00.720 --> 03:25:02.136
should reflect that and I look forward

03:25:02.160 --> 03:25:04.536
to the changes that staff will bring 

03:25:04.560 --> 03:25:06.375
taking into consideration all of those

03:25:06.399 --> 03:25:08.455
things that we've heard throughout the

03:25:08.479 --> 03:25:10.856
 the survey process and  and tonight

03:25:10.880 --> 03:25:12.536
and through the CCBs that they've been

03:25:12.560 --> 03:25:14.856
presenting to as well with some really

03:25:14.880 --> 03:25:17.880
incredible in-depth briefings about this

03:25:18.000 --> 03:25:21.000
 the  some of the notes there I I

03:25:21.279 --> 03:25:22.776
think it's also reading between the

03:25:22.800 --> 03:25:24.616
lines there are some event organizers

03:25:24.640 --> 03:25:26.936
who do things better than others and 

03:25:26.960 --> 03:25:29.896
and I note that they have um taken

03:25:29.920 --> 03:25:31.576
feedback from the community each year

03:25:31.600 --> 03:25:34.136
and bettered the event and the process

03:25:34.160 --> 03:25:35.976
and  I note that the triathlon has

03:25:36.000 --> 03:25:37.736
changed its its dates at the request of

03:25:37.760 --> 03:25:40.215
the community amongst a whole  range

03:25:40.239 --> 03:25:42.136
of other measures and it it's great to

03:25:42.160 --> 03:25:44.936
see  that that tweaking going on so

03:25:44.960 --> 03:25:47.896
that there is  more benefit to the

03:25:47.920 --> 03:25:49.736
community  going forward and I look

03:25:49.760 --> 03:25:52.295
forward to  hearing the outcome of 

03:25:52.319 --> 03:25:54.616
the the policy suggestions later in the

03:25:54.640 --> 03:25:56.136
year

03:25:56.160 --> 03:25:59.160
council tribe thank you we  we now are

03:25:59.920 --> 03:26:02.215
going to take that to we had that moved

03:26:02.239 --> 03:26:04.856
and seconded by councelor Krikstolaitis

03:26:04.880 --> 03:26:07.415
and  all those in favor thank you very

03:26:07.439 --> 03:26:10.439
much and the three  on line thank you

03:26:11.680 --> 03:26:14.680
i declare that carried now we're going

03:26:14.720 --> 03:26:17.415
to move into confidential for the last

03:26:17.439 --> 03:26:20.439
three items of the

03:26:23.160 --> 03:26:26.160
night we're good to go thank you

03:26:26.239 --> 03:26:28.696
councilors gallery members of the public

03:26:28.720 --> 03:26:31.576
watching this online  in confidential

03:26:31.600 --> 03:26:34.215
session council  debated and resolved

03:26:34.239 --> 03:26:37.239
on three items the first being CCL

03:26:37.800 --> 03:26:40.800
2515 landfill gas services contract

03:26:41.319 --> 03:26:44.319
extension wherein council resolved that

03:26:44.399 --> 03:26:46.856
council one approve the variation to the

03:26:46.880 --> 03:26:49.016
landfill gas services contract to have a

03:26:49.040 --> 03:26:51.415
term of 25 years from the commissioning

03:26:51.439 --> 03:26:54.215
of the power generation plant two

03:26:54.239 --> 03:26:56.375
approve the sale of Australian carbon

03:26:56.399 --> 03:26:59.399
credit union units ACCUs that council

03:26:59.760 --> 03:27:01.496
receives through the landfill gas

03:27:01.520 --> 03:27:03.896
services contract and three delegate

03:27:03.920 --> 03:27:05.656
authority to the chief executive officer

03:27:05.680 --> 03:27:07.976
or director of city services to sign the

03:27:08.000 --> 03:27:09.576
contract documents and any other

03:27:09.600 --> 03:27:11.896
associated documents necessary to give

03:27:11.920 --> 03:27:14.455
effect to this resolution

03:27:14.479 --> 03:27:17.479
the second item CCL

03:27:17.960 --> 03:27:20.856
25.16 tenders Shoalhaven material

03:27:20.880 --> 03:27:23.016
recovery facility pavements council

03:27:23.040 --> 03:27:26.040
resolved that one council endorses the

03:27:26.160 --> 03:27:27.816
recommendation of the tender evaluation

03:27:27.840 --> 03:27:29.335
panel and accepts the tender from

03:27:29.359 --> 03:27:32.359
Jurgens civil pty LTD for the Shoalhaven

03:27:32.560 --> 03:27:35.096
Material Recovery Facility Pavements for

03:27:35.120 --> 03:27:38.120
a total cost of

03:27:39.960 --> 03:27:42.960
1,39,975.15 excluding GST and two the

03:27:43.279 --> 03:27:44.616
contract documents and any other

03:27:44.640 --> 03:27:46.536
associated documents be executed on

03:27:46.560 --> 03:27:48.375
behalf of council in accordance with the

03:27:48.399 --> 03:27:51.096
local government general regulation 2021

03:27:51.120 --> 03:27:54.120
section 165 by the CEO manager technical

03:27:54.880 --> 03:27:57.880
services finally the third

03:27:58.920 --> 03:28:01.920
item CCL

03:28:02.760 --> 03:28:05.760
25.17 tenders traffic control services

03:28:06.359 --> 03:28:09.359
panel council resolve that one council

03:28:09.840 --> 03:28:11.176
endorses the recommendation of the

03:28:11.200 --> 03:28:13.176
tender evaluation panel and accepts the

03:28:13.200 --> 03:28:14.616
following lists of tenders for the

03:28:14.640 --> 03:28:16.776
traffic control supply panel bear with

03:28:16.800 --> 03:28:19.576
me it's a long list allied Integrated

03:28:19.600 --> 03:28:22.600
Management Group PTY LTD Atlas Traffic

03:28:23.040 --> 03:28:26.040
PTY LTD APX Civil PTY LTD Crown Traffic

03:28:27.680 --> 03:28:30.680
PTY LTD Evolution Traffic Management PTY

03:28:31.520 --> 03:28:34.520
LTD Go Traffic PTY LTD Lack Traffic 

03:28:35.920 --> 03:28:38.920
LAC Group Traffic PTY LTD Narrow Traffic

03:28:39.439 --> 03:28:42.439
247 PTY LTD Road Works Group PTY LTD

03:28:44.720 --> 03:28:46.896
Sight Specific Traffic Management

03:28:46.920 --> 03:28:49.920
Planning State Asphalt Services PT Y LTD

03:28:50.960 --> 03:28:53.415
Stop Slow Traffic Control New South

03:28:53.439 --> 03:28:56.439
Wales PT Y LTD TMP

03:28:57.479 --> 03:29:00.479
Pac PTY LTD Wallet Traffic Group PTY LTD

03:29:02.960 --> 03:29:05.960
and Workforce Internation Group and two

03:29:07.520 --> 03:29:08.936
that the contract documents and any

03:29:08.960 --> 03:29:10.616
other associated documentation be

03:29:10.640 --> 03:29:12.295
executed on behalf of the council in

03:29:12.319 --> 03:29:13.496
accordance with the local government

03:29:13.520 --> 03:29:16.520
general regulation 2021 section 165 by

03:29:16.800 --> 03:29:19.255
the CEO or director of city services

03:29:19.279 --> 03:29:22.279
thank you

03:29:22.800 --> 03:29:25.576
thank you Mr ceo Root Pray and I thank

03:29:25.600 --> 03:29:27.896
 everyone this evening thank you to

03:29:27.920 --> 03:29:29.576
staff for your patience thank you to

03:29:29.600 --> 03:29:31.616
counselors for the

03:29:31.640 --> 03:29:34.640
discussion  and  thank you to the

03:29:35.040 --> 03:29:37.576
the gallery i declare the meeting of

03:29:37.600 --> 03:29:40.600
Tuesday the 27th of May closed have a

03:29:41.600 --> 03:29:44.600
good evening